No matter how many and how convincing proofs and facts are presented to you Winn, you'd deny those with a multitude of excuses learnt from present day world. Humans actually have a hard time digesting things that they can't see. And if you ask me to show proofs, i can't do that now and thats the beauty of this faith!

If I could show you proofs, I'd 've met you somewhere at the corniche and show'd you what you wanted to see! We wouldn't have been sitting here headbashing...right? And with you, Gypsy too might've got interested...who knows!

Scriptures (from Christianity, Judaism and Islam) say that the "Children of Israel" and the "Pharaohs of Egypt" were shown numerous miracles by every prophet who came unto them, but they still didn't believe. Instead they used their own magic (magic was widespread then)to counteract and falsify the truth. God made their hearts to be adamant to the beliefs . What makes you think you'd believe at a time when therz no prophet to show miracles?

I see how furious you got Winn, at the very mention of the moon splitting, the river nile (the one in Egypt!) dividing apart, the raising of the dead, etc....obviously so!

I can't show interest in Harry Potter, Tagore's Gitanjali and other fairy tales coz they're "fairy tales". They don't refer to anything in the past, present or the future.

And since you ain't spiritual, you won't rely on anything unless it is accompanied by a proof which is utter absurd cause there would be no meaning in asking you to "believe" it. You'd believe anyway....right? This is what spirituality all about.

THE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF A VENTURE USUALLY PROVES ITS WORTH, IF IT DOES EXIST FOR LONG AND REVOLUTIONIZES A SOCIETY. This version holds as much truth as Winn's!

I must appeciate Winn's logical reasoning. Logical reasoning has no basis to understand spirituality.

Lemme give you a scenario for logical reasoning. Lets say our grandpa (they lived in a non tech savvy environment) comes to us asking to understand how does a computer work. I guess you'd have no big deal explaining him the hardware stuffed inside that vertical box coz he can "see" what you explain. Now comes the nasty part. How would you explain him what the software thing is all about? How would you explain him if he wants to touch and see the software? Wouldn't you be at the end of your wits, if he asks to touch it? Wouldn't you scrath your head if he says "where is it"? I bet anyone would have a hard time explainin him what this software thing is all about? Why can't he see it?. You might tell him it works only while you switch on the computer, etc etc.

No matter how hard you explain him, he'd be unable to grasp the idea coz he can't see it and his mind is too undeveloped for this kind of technological reasoning and understanding.

In this case can he deny about the existence of software inside the computer(just because he can't see it or its effects)?

Hey Maa look at me....what no one wants to see....m
uch too young to focus but too old to see!