oh and as to their concerns for their wives, not convinced, they go along to sit in the waiting room but most go no further, after many many appts over the years there, the only thing I can deduce is that they go to get out of work and have a little feet up time, read the paper or look at their phones, so no real desire to join their wives in the doctors room.

But again, if I said black 2020 would say white