Rude men in OBGYN

I totally agree nomerci. It is best to speak up for what is right rather than fuming privately and doing nothing.

2020, I did not post about the Emirati incident, that was Miss Mimi. This is my first post on this thread.

I always tell people, either if it is about queuing or seating, smoking etc, no matter WHO or WHAT they are, if I feel I have been done wrong, about it.

I do this politely, but firmly. And so far it has worked well for me.

If I felt somebody took my seat, you bet I will let this person know.

In fact, I had to go to an embassy not long ago. I, and an elderly ,disabled Qatari were left, literally, standing on a very busy street.

This poor man was walking with a cane and was in pain.

I was very embarrassed, as this was actually my embassy...and we do not, generally, treat people like this.

I went as far as demanding to speak to the ambassador about this, (he was busy :P), but anyhow, i made my point...maybe with little or no success, but at least I tried.

Again, I think one needs to speak up, politely of course, but if one does not, how is one to get was is right?

OP's rant sounds somewhat reasonable as compared to some other rants. For me such posts just show the maturity of the individuals to handle their affairs.

Yes, best to ask rather than getting angry and ranting on a forum. Such anger cannot be good for the mother or baby.

How was I questioning her Flor. I said it looks like that's what we need to do.

Ask for a seat......the men here will always give up a seat for a woman.

I am also so annoyed with these dumb-a$$ men. On the 2 occasions that I was pregnant, I always demand for my right to be seated anywhere. Be it in the hospital, bank, or waiting areas in the mall. I believe sensitive men are becoming less and less. It is up to us ladies to find our ways. Until now that I am no longer pregnant, I myself give seat to pregnant women and elderly.

Is that QMC :P

it was not you MM who did the yelling, right? So why question jjj's ways?

As I have said all along.

My husband & son and I flew to Qatar this weekend. When we landed, first of all I couldn't even stand up in the aisle because of all the rude men pushing past and rushing to get out of the plane, even though they can see me there holding my 2 month old in my arms, my husband actually had to tell one man to stop pushing me, did he not see I was holding a baby.

Then when we got on the bus, all of the seats were taken, mostly by men. Luckily in this case a local woman (either Qatari or Emirati) looked at the man sitting down in front of her (she was standing) and said "get up! let the woman with the baby sit down!"

I guess that's what we need to do jjj (even though it goes against everything I learned growing up) yell at them.

Very true angelina. And jjj75 is so meticulous with her terminology.

anyway in the UK it is known as maternity not OBGYN!!!

I don't see what all the fuss is about......no seat available then stand! End of..............

Can't believe something this simple is so controversial.

IMHO everyone seems to agree that the seat should be relinquished, except for a that idiot harping on about male rights or what not. I have to agree that the OP needs to be more assertive in what she wants rather than fuming and saying nothing and fuming some more. The culture we're in requires a bit of assertiveness to get what you want . . . very unlike British culture.

I remember the crowded waiting rooms, but my wife was one of the pregnant women who had no problem asking for a seat, demanding reception provide another, or asking for some place to rest in the back. I think here you have to be resourceful or just accept it.

Well said volleygirl.

btw--Jjj75, I am not disagreeing with your belief that men should offer their seats to a pregnant women. I just believe you could have handled it much better, such as saying something rather than ranting anonymously on QL about it. I see no victim.

I AM disagreeing with your presumptive negative characterization of people with whom you've never conversed and about whom you know nothing. We all know what that's called . . .

Like it or not, Olympics has a point.

In a foreign culture best not to make assumptions. Better to say what you are thinking if you want someone to do something and stop expecting people to read your mind!

And I really don't get the fear of locals thing.

"AND why should I, it should be really obvious. as I said, never happens in any clinic I have been to in UK"

That says it all JJJ75. You assume everyone should be like you, think like you and if they don't they are barbarian. Your not in the UK and these people are of different cultures and sensibilities. Yes, I agree they should offer you their seat but at the same time you should be willing to request it.

When I travel to London I wish people would have the decency not to grope each other in public places in front of my children. When it bothers me enough, I ask them to stop. But I don't assume that they should be thinking like me and that they are savages for not doing so. THAT is where we disagree.

wow!!!!

oh and as to their concerns for their wives, not convinced, they go along to sit in the waiting room but most go no further, after many many appts over the years there, the only thing I can deduce is that they go to get out of work and have a little feet up time, read the paper or look at their phones, so no real desire to join their wives in the doctors room.

But again, if I said black 2020 would say white

2020 yet again you take the opportunity to disagree with me, as I said before the worst offender was not a local (see the bit about reading the newspaper upside down bit). Yes maybe I should ask, but after the nastiness I have seen, I am reluctant and not just from the locals. westerners are just as bad, if that makes you feel any better. AND why should I, it should be really obvious. as I said, never happens in any clinic I have been to in UK, they spring up, almost embarrassed. I have asked the staff for help before, they apologize, very nicely but do nothing because they are frightened.

I second tinker bell!!! These fellas should have shifted for you but I've seen plenty sitting men on the tube in London turn up their music or stick their noses in papers to avoid eye contact. The fact is that they didn't move and you should've said something and called attention to their rudeness. Else nothing will change.

I agree with tinkerbell, and I cannot believe this thread is still going.

Imagine if jjj75 had just had the courage to SAY SOMETHING in the waiting room? One of the men would have moved, she would have sat down, and QL would have been spared all this. But no. She says nothing and ASSUMES the men are all barbarians because they do not think the CORRECT way (i.e. like her) and they could not anticipate her specific desires. Maybe some of these men had other things on their minds (like the health of their wives or unborn children) and were not fully attuned to jjj75 and her needs.

The worst, in her view, are the locals, whom she implies are a bunch of monsters that might beat pregnant women when they ask for their seats in a hospital. Of course, there is no evidence of said behavior except for a vague reference of an altercation between two men at a bank.

Asking for assistance is also an impossibility, she insists, because no one in the entire hospital is willing to help her. Not that she asked a large number of staff; again because she ASSUMES it, it must be true.

Anyone see the pattern?

btw I asked my wife about this. She laughed and said she cannot believe a Western woman being too scared to request a seat. So she asked her expat friends at our son's Western school. They also responded with blank stares. One (American woman) said that when she could not find space at the hospital mentioned she spoke to the nurse when they take the blood pressure and they always found a more comfortable space in one of the empty physician's offices where she could lie down.

But then I guess if you want to be helpless it is not hard to convince yourself you are.

You shouldn't have to ask for a seat, I was always given a seat when I was preggers, but then again I was in the UK at the time. Personally, I would've said something. I think it's extremely hypocritical for men to be sat in a "ladies only" section in a country where they do their best to segregate the two sexes at every given opportunity.

Prism - you try walking away with a smile with 9lbs on your bladder.

I make a point about it here, in the hope of changing behaviour patterns.

in fact, I wholeheartedly agree with you and I was IMHO you were wronged by those "dumb ass men" there. Remember that what I only commented was the "BS" thing! Good afternoon!

jjj75...it is a very simple situation in fact which you have made very complicated to your own discomfort.

What is the point in beating drums of universal morality and social norm if that doesn't help you. Agree people should behave as you said, but what if they don't behave. End of the day who suffered? It is you. I would say nothing wrong in making people understand if they dont understand so far it helps me get what I want. Adapt to the situation at hand and act accordingly is what makes the difference in one complaining and one who walks away with a smile irrespective of the circumstances.

As you said Flor rant over (and a justified one at that). I hope this is a salutory lesson for those ignorant men.

Flor - you really don't have to disagree with me on every occasion particulalry this one which is pretty indefensible - top for you, it makes YOU look like a DA

errr..how am I supposed to carry my chair and push my son in his pram? And B why should I have to

rant over, next time as someone said above, bring your own chair and sit beside that "dumb ass man". Bring a good magazine and do what the newspaper-reader (?) do. Lol!

Flor - they could not organise a proverbial in a brewery, so that idea would be wasted on them.

but why should I go to the inconvenience of having to sit quite a way away so some dumb ass man can sit next to his wife and then read the paper whilst she goes through for her appointment (which a lot of them do, so negating that whole comment of 'oh they want to be supportive of their wives). Let me tell you that when you are 8.5 months pregnant, any extra steps you make are ofen awkward, painful and acommpanied with the need to pee due to the constant pressure on your bladder when standing.

if I were you, suggest to the hospital to have the number system. so Anywhere you are, you know when is your turn.

Flor - again you misunderstand something. This is not about gender equality. It is about offering your seat to someone who is less able. Just as if you were standing in a waiting room with a broken leg and I was more able bodied then you, I would offer you my seat.

Also, please read previous comment, men should not be sat in the women's section anyway, what is hard to understand about that?

it is commonly mistaken by men that we have the right NOT to offer our seat! Lol!

Also Miss T - I particularly should not have to 'ask a brother' to shift out of the women's only section (with a clear sign which says women only).

Women are more reticent to ask men to do things here - particularly men that are unknown to them. Perhaps this is what these lazy men rely upon, they know they will not be asked to moved.

I also don't want to have the experience of having a negative conversation with these feckless men, just before going in to see the doctor where I have important things to concentrate on.

Hey everyone Tinks is alive!!! Yay!!!

SHE SHOULDNT HAVE TO ASK A 'BROTHER' TO HAVE HIS SEAT!...DO YOU NOT GET THAT?????

Be a decent person and give the pregnant lady a seat for heavens sake.

Not rocket science!!

with only one chair for visitor, a disabled man in thobe came in with a walker, so I stood and offered the seat but smilingly rejected. After a minute of standing there, the police officer told him to sit and maybe sensing that the discussion will be a little bit longer, he obliged.

Prism - it is a social and moral norm that is universally understood that able bodied people should give up their seat for ones who are not so fortunate at that given time. Examples - disabled, pregnant, elderly. It is not a question of people behaving as I should want, it is what is normal in any caring society. If i were not pregnant or any of the above, I agree I should not expect anyone to give up their seat to me.

TB - agreed, but sadly it was pulled a while back

it truly has something to do not only with other women at that 'clinic' but everyone , everywhere...

As you sow, so shall you reap...!

Next time try to say 'brother' - a little louder - from your heart - to anyone around & ask him to give you his seat, believe me, half a dozen men will put their palms under your feet ,in your honour, my dear sister.

You have definitely not cared for humanity's / nature's / suffering in the past.

The result of 'nothing' can't be 'something' !?

I preferred the other OBGYN thread. It had a happy ending :p

jjj75...you could have just asked someone to move. If then also none did then you had a point. I dont see why you must be expecting everyone to behave exactly as you want them to.

If someone needed my seat and I was fit and able at that time, they are welcome to it (I have done so in the past and will do so in the future). I will also teach my son when he is old enough some common old good manners on this subject.

So MM I am not sure what your point is. Trying to say that I must be like that, which is why I don't get the courtesy in return. If this is true, then ALL pregnant women who go to the OBGYN must be like this. Very strange analagy.

nothing happens without reason.... no smoke without fire....

What should be the result of 'nothing' ?

MM - never seen it in Qatar

it is the occasion to look back : Had I been rude to any other person in last couple of months if not years ? Do I look so arrogant that people just ignore me ? Does'nt my eyes show compassion towards others when eye contact happens ? Society is a mirror of our ownself !!!

There are scores who offer seats to deserving person everywhere at public places.

Sadly people behave differently in different places. I am surprised that men, of whichever nationality, actually behave this way in the hospital you visit.

Yup, have raised but the problem is that staff are too timid to enforce it. What i don't get that in a society which is supposed to be very courteous to women, particularly pregnant ones, they show such bad manners - I have sat in OBGYN's in the UK a few times and the men spring up immediately, which is kinda what I had thought would happen here. But apparently not.

Yes, this should be raised as point with the hospital managements instead of hoping someone in a high rank at the hospital sees this and takes action. More effective that way.

Hi jjj, first of all, I hope you and your baby are doing fine and your health is good.

Have you officially raised ths issue as a complaint to the hospital. They should make better arrangement for seating if they are well aware that men occupy more seats than pregnant women.

In this regard the hospital I was visiting has a strict 'no man' policy in the waiting area, which is just great, but are allowed to attend the appt with their wife when its her turn. They just turn up from some corner for the appt.

Having said that, next time you should probably just embarrass some men into giving you their seat. Why should you suffer standing? I am sure if you mention it, they will get up.

Why it doesn't strike them that it shuld be normal courtesy to give you the seat.......well they are just being selfish n insensitive. These same people in another hospital would be hidden in some corner.

End of the day, a man should offer his seat to pregnant woman no questions asked...(or if he is a gentleman he will offer his seat up to just 'a woman').

If he offers his seat and she declines politely he should offer again and make her feel at ease that he really doesn't mind giving it up. He will be seen as a good caring man and therefore should not be embarrassed.

If she accepts then again he will be seen as a good caring man.

A win/win situation really!!!

sorry for bashing the thread... i will say no more...

saying a BS reasoning and saying I disagree is also a different thing.

CF - please go and study some philosphy, it is not the same thing at all and is not meant in the same way. I sometimes disagree with my sister and dislike what she is saying but that does not mean I love her any less.

lol, i just said "I always offer my sit" so probably I'm not that person.

saying a BS to my opinion is like saying a BS to me cause that's my opinion. and saying a BS to any opinion is a rude manner. got it?

Quite MM - maybe he is one of those rude men who don't get up. I am always as mad as hell when I see this behaviour, which unfortunately does not help my blood pressure which they hate to see go up in ladies.

CF - you have not understood the premise or the difference between having an opinion and someone disliking your opinion. you have every right to hold an opinion but that does not mean I have to agree with it. You hit the nail on the head when you said it is a public forum and I reserve the right not to agree with you.

Note, the difference bewteen saying you are BS and your opinions being BS.

Why would you feel embarrassed because someone said they didn't need to take your seat? :s

actually that happens to me many times, I always offer my sit and they always say NO thanks and I feel embarrass for that.

and like for these post, you posted it in general public for someone to comment and then I suggest, and then you will say I am a BS. so I feel embarrass again. so what do you really want?

If they did not sit there in the first place - ergo, it would not be a problem. So, they would rather do nothing and let a woman in need stand, than risk being turned down. Part of the waiting area, they should not be in in the first place, they should just automatically get up. Courteous considerations should outweigh any potential embarrassment they might feel being turned down. If they are turned down, then they can return to their seat knowing at least they offered and have their seat back.

Not just pinoys - I have never (apart from my husband) see any man of any nationality offer up their seat at this clinic ever!

I completely agree with you!

I think that's rude. And for your info, clownfish's comment was legit since it always happens. You know, generally Pinoys will offer their seat for NOT only to pregnant women but to all women but since many "equality-advocate-women" refused to take the seat, it becomes an embarrassment to some.

Flor, their right to hold an opinion is fine (see Voltaire) but I also have a right to disagree with their opinion (in this case I said it was BS), again see Voltaire.

if they don't offer a seat, it's rude. When someone airs an opinion, it's a BS. So what do you want?

Flor - yup sure - heard him and his wife speaking tagalog

a flirting sign for some Filipinos.

And if your sure about that, jjj that it's a Filipino, HE is one very very rude guy indeed!

Clownfish - so what you are saying is that in the OBGYN men don't offer the seat because a woman might say no? That makes zero sense and they should not offer, they should just get up and indicate to her to take the seat and walk away (or not sit down in the first place and sit somewhere else). They have no need to be there in the first place except to offer support to their wives but no real need, unlike me and other women who have appointments to attend. That reasoning is just pure BS

But I think sometimes (not all the times), woman should also ask if she can take the sit from a man because sometimes we got embarass if we offer our sit and then the woman will say NO and another man will take the sit.

prism, I did get your point, my husband rarely comes with me as cannot get time off work so not really a practical suggestion and as I have said, that large round thing in my stomach should be evidence enough that they need to get up.

Sabik - nope the person who read the newspaper upside down was Filipino

no merci--This was in UAE not Qatar and not at a hospital and these men were punished for their illegal behavior. I am sure I can troll through the internet and find an example of white hitting a pregnant Arab woman in some country also.

BE - quite, but as I said in my original post, they even sit in the women's only section and their style is to pretend to read the paper so to avoid eye contact (even caught someone reading the paper upside down so they would not have to look at me and feel ashamed) - pathetic

Filipinos will lend you their sits usually...

Will give preference to Pregnant women irrespective of their Nationality either to sit in a waiting hall or allow them to meet the Receptionist.

I have seen some Nationalities don't bother, they are worried about their wives n kids.

Local Qataris are very very polite and courteous when it comes to women waiting may be for a lift or to meet receptionist.

jjj75...not necessarily ... a beach chair (folding types) would do and since your husband was standing by your side I guess he accompanied you and so could carry it for you... and that was not the point it was just to make the people feel guilty...hope u see the point. I know it is an unorthodox approach but guess it had worked fine all the time with me and I have always walked out of such situations with a smile, leaving others crazy...:)

if there are Filipino's sitting, i hope there's none. You can ask them to move. Filipino's are generous especially you are pregnant. I am sure they will you his chair.

if a Filipino will not offer his seat for a pregnant woman. Was there? Is chivalry really dead?

me seem to be losing Manners and simple etiquette. If it is a mixed sitting area , then it is probably difficult for the staff to enforce. Perhaps a first step would be to put up a few signs asking for courtesy and seats for ladies..

Flor- there are people from everywhere, your point is?

prism - so let me get this straight, i have to bring either a heavy or awkward chair to OBGYN so that I can have somewhere to sit, even though there are perfectly good chairs there already occupied by perfectly fit and able men who are just too bone idle to get up.

2020 - no, i don't think a local man would but I have seen them scream and shout at people and quite honestly I really don't need this just before my appointment (especially when they first thing they do is take your blood pressure).

Bree - some years back and I believe it was the QNB in CC.

or at least a Filipino (even if the wife is not)?

I wouldn't be so sure of that 2020. It's happened in the UAE:

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/jail-terms-for-men-who-attacked-pregnant-woman-in-dubai-ikea-cafeteria

Emirati businessman A A, 52, and his brothers M A, 33, and E A, 43, were sentenced today to a month in jail each and fined a total of Dh12,000 for their involvement in the brawl that erupted after a Canadian couple sat down at the end of a table for 12 at an Ikea cafeteria on June 13, 2009.

“A A approached us and told us that the table was booked as his three children were sitting on the other end,” the husband told the court.

His wife, a marketing manager, protested that she was pregnant and did not want to move, but she was shushed by her husband who told the men to go and sit elsewhere while they finished their meal.

“I was punched in the back of the head and lost consciousness and woke to find three men kicking me and punching me on the floor and saw my wife bleeding from her legs profusely,” he told prosecutors.

A Syrian man who witnessed the fight, Z R, said he saw A A hitting the pregnant woman while M A and E A were assaulting the husband on the floor.

He tried to intervene to stop one of the defendants from swinging a chair at the unconscious man, but was punched.

Security guards had to call Dubai Police to stop the fight after they failed to stop it themselves.The couple were taken to Rashid Hospital, where the wife was also given treatment to prevent a miscarriage. The child survived the attack, records show.

The brothers were sentenced by Judge Hamad Abdel Latif in the Dubai Criminal Court of First Instance. All three will serve a month in prison and must pay a fine of Dh10,000. A A was ordered to pay an extra Dh2,000 fine for threatening the couple and the Syrian man who attempted to stop the fight.

Disgusting behaviour! they should be ashamed of themselves!! You shouldn't have to ask, people have the brain God gave them...so they should use it!!

I hardly think a local man is going to start hitting a pregnant woman who asks for his seat at a hospital.

jjj, wow an employee beating up a customer ???, never heard of that , where they do that @?

Just an aside...if it is a frequent sight as it seems so, why not carry your own chair and open it right in front of these guys and sit there... hopefully next time you would get a seat with the help of the receptionists.

As i said, this is not a one off - I hope by discussing it here they are clued in and someone somewhere realises and is ashamed

these men must be utterly ill mannered and shameless. To be honest I've never had such an experience myself at the Hamad or any health centers, but I can imagine how infuriating it must be.Maybe I have been very fortunate, AlHamdullilah,but so far ,when out with my sister,daughter and/or friends,be it to the hospitals or even other public places,the men I have encountered,specially among the locals, are quite well mannered. They would not only relinquish their seats to us but even go the extra mile and find us more chairs if we were short of them, something I had never experienced anywhere before. Must say I would feel very upset if I were to then see the kind of people you have come across. Even my six year old knows to get up and handover her seat when a pregnant,sick or aged lady comes by!

2020 - agraid to ask a local man - my friend once witnessed a local bank employee beating up a customer for daring to ask something (that as a right he was entitled to ask). So no thanks, I won't be asking a local.

Back to my original point, I should not have to.

Rene1, yes, I understand that some men want to share the occasion with their wives - but there is no need to share the sofa with their wives at the expense of other ladies having to stand. My husband has stood by me in order to give up the seat next to me for someone. And why can't they sit just round the corner and when their wives names are called, she can quickly nip round to tell him the doctor is ready to see her or ring him, if he is further away. Why should heavily preganent women have to stand in order so he can sit next to his wife whilst waiting???

Lol BG!

I understand your frustration and agony jjj75. He should have moved to give you the seat for sure and at the same you should have asked for your rights if he was not doing it himself.

jjj75. Yes, mostly Filipinas, so complaining will get you nowhere. But some in the main reception adjacent to your waiting room are often local.

You should not be afraid to ask a local man in such a occasion. State politely and I can assure that he will move. We are not monsters and have mothers, sisters and wives also. Like all men we just need reminders.

Like I said, a shame you must ask at all.

Baburao--Arab men including locals are common sights at this hospital.

ok prism of u say even i got the rights to cuddle ( off to my pvt room )

BG dont be jealous...:) Now go to your private room and relax urself....

Timebandit--that is for another thread.

I am simply trying to offer advice based on my experience that will save a poor pregnant lady from having to stand. I have a wife and children and would not wish this on her in her pregnancy.

I always offer my seat in any occasion to elderly, sick, or pregnant. Even on the London Tube, which IMO is as bad as this hospital.

2020 - they are mostly Filipinos who work there so no good. And I have mentioned it before. If it is really necessary, they should put a polite sign up as a reminder.

As to the local thing. Have you ever seen a non qatari woman ask a qatari to do anything - we are worried as to their reaction.

feel sorry for u jjj75 and abt the shameless cuddling ppl they shld just use the beaches or their pvt rooms to cuddle n not clinics

Maybe they must make a new section for western people. The men like sharing the occasion with their wives it shows support. And will so will be able to sit with their wives.

For the man that took your seat..... Well you can only expect that for poor manners!

Generally there should not be a need to ask, a gentleman should move of its own... but then I am talking of a gentleman which by and large is a rare commodity here.

You know 2020, I think you may have a problem with western expats. I could be wrong of course.

I agree they should move and you should not have to ask. But . . .

If it is a local I would be surprised if you asked and he refused. I cannot imagine myself or friends not moving. If you are too shy to ask directly, find a local woman in reception (older the better). I would be shocked if she would not take action and give these men a shaming also.

No point in asking the Filipinas. They will do nothing for fear of locals and equal dislike of Western expats.

If you are at Al Alahi then I have sympathy for your long wait times. It is badly managed there and chasing away good physicians as a result.

BG - I mention their general nationality(I could give you their exact nationality but prefer not to), in the hope that if they are reading this,realise it was them and get the hint - it is irrelevant where I am from.

Tats wats need the most in such situations...

"An Evil Eye ! "

ps to that western couple who were cuddling up to each other on the sofa - it was neither the time not the place)

excuse me but where r u from ?

Couldn't agree with you more jjj, it was the same here in the UAE when I was pregnant, and is even now when I'm holding my 2 month old baby! I'm sorry, but he's heavy and I need to sit and hold him!

There is nothing worse than being 8 or 9 months pregnant and having to stand for an hour or so because some idiot won't give up his seat!

Rizks - the western thing was an aside, but it was really odd. All the other men were as bad for not getting up and not just with me, I have been sat down and watched some poor woman who you can tell was almost due and about to explode have to stand there. I give them the evil eye, occasionally it works.

I offended you~I was just sharing my experince.

it is indeed very rude of him and I agree with you that he should have left the chair once you had returned.

2020 - I have in the past - their usual trick is to either hide behind the newspaper or pretend to be engrossed in their phone, so eye contact is near impossible (and they know this, which is why they do it). I have asked in the past but I won't ask a local and you know what I should not have to. I have talked to the receptionists but they are too timid to do anything. only once when there was a Qatari receptionist did they say anything to the men in the womens only section.

why ask the gentleman to move ?

Cant he have bloody common sense or manners to get up and go if he sees a preggy woman standing and He bloody sitting and cuddling there ? :(

Did you ask the gentleman to move from your seat? Surely he would for a pregnant lady. If you are pregnant and he did not, then you have good reason to complain to the reception to take immediate action.

Khanan - but it is obvious that pregnant women should be given priority to the seats - we are often tired, feel faint and carrying an 'extra burden'. The example you give I feel is few and far between - this happens every day. If you want to make that complaint - open another forum topic

it should be the responsibility of on duty security staff to implement the rules as they do in the Women Hosptital.

I had a similar experince in Al Sadd PEC when the male waiting area was full of love stricken wives whereas the female waiting had enough empty chairs available.