- Objective is LEARNING then there are other places to learn and discuss.

as I tried to explain that it will openup a huge can of worms / Pandora box....age old issues, conflicts and differences.

Please read Sefri's comment above....there are several different (over 100k wrong hadees) theories attached; and I am 100% sure none of us at QL are competent enough to clarify and justify the facts.

At the end we will conclude that Shia's belief making them as 'non-believers' and they are NOT muslims.

So again repeating.......NOT A RIGHT PLACE TO DISCUSS