Miss X..if you disagree then I have no problems in that...
let me remind me you of your first post:
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"I think if people are going to comment on womens rights in Qatar and Canada (which seems to be what this thread has developed into), then I think the reality of what it is like to be a woman in each country can only be determined by women who have lived in both. Statistics aside, the reality of how free or how marginalised a woman is, is more of an observation after living somewhere for a certain amount of time, rather than a verbal regurgitation of the statistics. Of course there can be facts that support or deny certain arguments, but the reality is not always noticeable from the outside.
A person may believe to be free (and this goes for all cultures), but until they are part of, and understand other cultures, then maybe they are not as free as they originally believed."
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I have repeatedly stated or asked rather that we are more or less the same...given the net result...if you compare East and West on a singular measure..then you could control the order of who gets first by simply choosing a measure that suits your objective..
what i am after here is the aggregate result...final one...
You have refused to judge earlier which I accepted..but you also said:
"We are not attacking the rights of women in all Middle Eastern countries, which is what I believe you think we are doing. We are simply disagreeing with you, that if you take all the Eastern countries into account, then the level of womens rights are not equal to those in the West."
and you also mentioned it is a universal given..etc.
This is judgement. you are stating and ranking. Does this not contradict your first post on an overall scale of women's rights?
ummjake..thank you!
Gypsy..thank you!
Miss X..if you disagree then I have no problems in that...
let me remind me you of your first post:
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"I think if people are going to comment on womens rights in Qatar and Canada (which seems to be what this thread has developed into), then I think the reality of what it is like to be a woman in each country can only be determined by women who have lived in both. Statistics aside, the reality of how free or how marginalised a woman is, is more of an observation after living somewhere for a certain amount of time, rather than a verbal regurgitation of the statistics. Of course there can be facts that support or deny certain arguments, but the reality is not always noticeable from the outside.
A person may believe to be free (and this goes for all cultures), but until they are part of, and understand other cultures, then maybe they are not as free as they originally believed."
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I have repeatedly stated or asked rather that we are more or less the same...given the net result...if you compare East and West on a singular measure..then you could control the order of who gets first by simply choosing a measure that suits your objective..
what i am after here is the aggregate result...final one...
You have refused to judge earlier which I accepted..but you also said:
"We are not attacking the rights of women in all Middle Eastern countries, which is what I believe you think we are doing. We are simply disagreeing with you, that if you take all the Eastern countries into account, then the level of womens rights are not equal to those in the West."
and you also mentioned it is a universal given..etc.
This is judgement. you are stating and ranking. Does this not contradict your first post on an overall scale of women's rights?