a fair number of "believers" are surely going to hell before many of the atheists i've met.

i've met plenty of "believers" who pray five times a day, or who pray in church each and every sunday, who treat people like rubbish whenever they are not praying. an a$$ is an a$$, praying doesn't change that.

religion should be about internalizing values, not going through the motions. God, if he exists, surely knows the difference.

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