i read somewhere once ... history is always biased when it reaches to new eras... :)
and i dont want you to agree with it... you can live with what you belive in.

can you correct me if i am wrong...in saying that... mostly we dont like to step back from things/thoughts which we inherit from family, religion or society/culture? and that might be one of the reason that you both having such disagreement?

socrates died coz... his time was over. he died for democracy or for opposing democracy... i dont think it will help you anyway.

so the topic was...mmm... what was it???

When you're through changing, you're through.