Those do not respect Qatari culture

Although I don't know how much it helps...

We have a saying in our tongue

"kuttan varunna pothinu vedam chollittu karyamilla"

translation : "There is no use in chanting vedas (hindu religious texts) to a buffalo that is charging at you"

This is not meant to offend Hindus in any way but it just means that a charging bull is oblivious to reason...

I would only ask that those who are vehement in their defence of modesty, that they assist others and practice it daily.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who sit on their high horses and tell other people what they should and should not do, but do nothing to help others to recognize and understand why certain social/cultural values should be recognized and respected.

Coming on Qatar Living and complaining is not finding a solution, it's complaining - educate and explain gently and in a calm manner - you'll have lots of people who are willing to at least listen and that's the first step in understanding.

I have found that this approach done in a one on one basis has more positive outcomes than a blanket complaint.

Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"

Verisimilitude thanks alot for stating the facts clearly.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/30/hammams.middle.east/index.html

They r not alone and not on their country we have rules in Qatar they have to follow it. You must tell the police directly and they will go to Jill directly cause even though if they r in a big spa with people watching they have to where something but if the shower room or the spa for one person it's their privet time and it's up to them they can do what they want because they r a lone not with people. I hope u understand my thought.

"you are dealing with people from far more advanced cultures on this one.

Go learn something and then return."

it is a very sad thing to know from you sir, that being far more advance culture is to behave like what you said.

so another thing your culture seems moving and now in the advance position.WOW...

and the arab muslim culture stay behind.

modesty and chastity is not known from the western and european dictionary, as well as with these people who hate anything islamic. but care to visit and live in the land where islamic law is implemented.

anyway to all of you guys, keep going, keep complaining about islamic and muslims, the way tiger whining and complaining is the same with you complaining against qatar and islam and muslims.

ungodly people wants all to do unchastity, make fornication unavoidable, adultery at hand reach. they want to see nakedness in all corners of the world. they want it to be a normal scenery, like in france, there is nude island, in america, there are beaches where you can see all in a seducting bikini, even topless sometimes. you want it here in qatar huh guys? arent you? your lobbying will work keep it up...let say after 100 years ...no it is happening right here... go to any private village where the residents are westerner and european.

but you guys are crazy because you dont like them isnt it. you are used up with those. no challenge at all. you want someone else, right? those women who wear black is more challenging than those open. so that is why you are so eager and in result you criticize them back in front, up and down...you're funny guys. you cant. and you will fail most of the time to let these women dress in bikinis right in your eyes, hahahahaha....

i really admire the effect of islamic teaching in qatar, specially in the society of qataris. not like in the outside world where everything is free. so the effect, lots of single parent, bastard children and promiscuos men.rape in open ground, molestation, homosexuality, perversion, and more.surplus women, aids victim and more.

and those people who experienced that problem of society wants this nation (qatar)to be like them, how silly, isnt it. and look they are trying all they can. even calling them with unadvance culture as MMYKE said.

so MMYKE if your bases of advance culture is to make normal and ok all forms of nudity, nakedness, drunkeness in the public then i must say your culture is not advance. you are still in ignorance...still backward... in arabic JAHILIYAH...jahilun....

Maybe we could also discuss how the word 'Arab' was used differently back in the 14th century than the way it is used today and that it refers to a different group of people back then than it does now...

Where is this GYM or SPA, I want to go there!!

Sorry to be so late. I also enjoyed Al-Muqaddima. Have you read the other books by Ibn Khaldoun? Harder to find in translation...

Khalid, there are no differences between "Insan and Insan". A human being is a human being or not, where ever. The rest is political, cultural, religious control and differs according to the ruling parties' preferences.

that there are differences between West and East but this does not mean that East must hate the West.

Any wise guy will refuse to bring something bad at his home.

The public places are every ones home, so it must be respected.

I do not know how you think Boston but I am sure that a wise man who is married would like to bring or prostitue at his home.

The point which I want to say if some one wants to do some thing bad here in Qatar, should not do it at all.

Also by being open to the west this does not mean to bring the bad things.

I wrote this because some people here in QL want to import the bad things to Qatar, and they justify this by saying this the tax of being open.

Boston you can make your house the best house in the world without annoying or harming others right?

At your home you are free.

It depends on what you believe, Khalid. They all used to be black and migrated. The pigmentation adjusted to the climate. That's the one view. Your view will probably be different. Language was invented to tell the friend from the foe. You don't know my language, you're not one of my tribe. You probably won't accept this either. So, it's actually no use to lead a discussion. Have a nice day.

Can you please answer me,

why people are created differently that some are black color, some are white, some are brown?

what is the reason that people do not speak the same language?

Would the life be intersting if all people have the same color and same language?

Just read the whole books and find out for yourself.

as quoting out of context...

can you pls quote the exact passage and why you decided to quote it?

The Muqaddimah is "undoubtedly the greatest work of its kind that has ever yet been created by any mind in any time or place," says Arnold Toynbee. Reason enough to quote it.

You have quoted an Arab scholar from the 14th century... care to elaborate where you got this quote from?

Obviously those were not Ibn Khaldoun's exactwords, a lot can change with translation...

And care to elaborate why you chose to quote it in the first place?... don't hide from it with your 'I may not have that opinion' argument because when you quote something, there is an obvious intent behind doing so... particularly when you choose a racist remark such as this one...

peace starts within ourselves

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Khalid, I didn't say anything about the Arabs, I only quoted an Arabian historian and sociologist. If I quote Einstein, that doesn't mean I have the same opinion.

what he saw, some people which he saw were barbarians, and then you Boston thinks that all Arabs are barbirian.

Boston do not let other people laugh on you and say look at Boston the silly man.

Boston you must have the deep thinking.

"other countrys might feel that YOUR DRESS and BEHAVIOUR (example: praying so many times a day, national dress) might be considered weird or strange, yet you attempt to force it on others"

So someone's been forcing you to pray and wear an abaya?

Good boy! :o)

Yes, mam.

I'm not having a history lesson with you. But let us just agree that these were among the basic tenants of the founding of the US and move on, shall we?

"Forcing it on others"?? Has someone come up to you recently with an abayya and a shotgun demanding you cover yourself and pray five times a day? If so, perhaps you should hang out in different places. What part of the States are you from that rudeness is entirely foreign to you?

Freedom of Speech is the First Amendment! They forgot it in the original constitution. What are you talking about?

Anyone who is all about "me, me, me" as you claim, as fully assimilated to American culture, in my not-so-humble opinion. Our country was founded on the basis of freedom, right? Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association. So give American Muslims a break, will you? They've been through quite a bit in the last few years!

...continue feeding their savage nature."

(Naah. This is just me. ;-P)

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

They don't eat pork and don't drink Jack Daniels.

this is exactly what i am talking about. your comment, "this is your country", is typical. you only have respect for your own. you are so hypocritical. you have no respect for others. i myslef would not be completely nakes in front of strangers and it has nothing to do with cultures, mores, religion. it is just i wouldn't feel comfortable. other countrys might feel that YOUR DRESS and BEHAVIOUR (example: praying so many times a day, national dress) might be considered weird or strange, yet you attempt to force it on others. i think that is one of the reasons mulims are so disliked the world over. as far as arrogrance, since i have been here, i have come in contact with some of the most arrogrant and rude qatari women i have ever had the displeasure of seeing in my life.

in what way do Muslims in US not show respect for American cultures?

At least you accept that he wrote it.

Ibn Khaldoun wrote that how many centuries ago? Let's allow for a few changes in modern times, shall we?

"Arabs are savage by their nature."

(Ibn Khaldoun)

i have respect for all people, but i think is it really hypocritical for you to complain about your culture not being respected. i am an american and in the U.S. muslims show very little respect for american cultures. they will be the first to take you to court to demand respect of theirs, but they, and i have seem it here also, show absolutely no respect for the cultures/rules/religion of others. it appears to me that they are all about me, me, me.

asking to keep your undies on or atleast have a towel wrapped around you is not THAT unreasonable a request is it?

I really don't think that this act has disrespected the Qatari culture. As far as I know, this is what's happening in a Spa room as it is limited to more privacy than a swimming pool. I think, if any of you think that there is something that disrespecting the culture, it should be brought to that particular management and sort it out. For example, may be he can go and complain to the owner of the Spa or simply change your Spa and go to another. What we should understand is, true this is Qatar, and we should respect Qatari culture, and at the same time, this has already begun a multi-cultural country and majority are expats. That does not mean that expats can act the way they want, but I believe they should be respected at least a bit for who they are. Or else, then expats should be totally banned from Qatar and not allow them to come and live and work in Qatar. Hence, I think matters like this should be considered in more matured and adult way!

About your comment,"Veris just curious, what is your personal issue with PM, I remember you sending me a private message not to be friends with her when I added her as my first friend on QL.."... what garbage!!...

I would never ask anyone to be or not be friends with anyone else...

not that I don't expect you to come up with a crass baseless allegation such as this one...

THY ALL SUCKZZZZ....HATE SUCH TYPE AWF PEOPLZZZ...

Ooopps thats a bitter pill to swallow. Take no hatred side. Again the saying goes "this is QL" where down to earth remarks suffice. And the freedom of expression is taking its course.

Just goes to show the people you hang around with at night. You must have lots of friends like that to judge others from experience is it???

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

Dress Naked??! what brand is that dress?!! :D

btw, which gym / spa is that?! & who do u expect ppl to wear in spa?

~noms~

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"Before God we are all equally wise ' and equally foolish" - Albert Einstein

LET THE BE PEACE ON EARTH.

Garbage comes in many different shapes and forms too.

Like jack for example is the coward type of garbage.

while edifis is just a natural born fagit. So its not his fault I guess. But still garbage is garbage.

Youre indian friend was insulting arabs.

But ofcourse he is mature and nobody has a problem because the only ones he insulted were arabs.

Being Indian is garbage mohammed??

Wow your maturity level keeps astounding me...

Garbage is a less sinister word apart from hard ones like bull or chicken shit, right Mohd

or why dont jack take edifis out on a date and they can do some discovering on their own??

An indian and a jewish bear..... Now that I wouldnt wanna see>>

people having sex.

Arabs or just anybody.

Why dont you just log on to a porno site or somthin???

JF, thats absurd! the nearest thing you can see is a polar bear having sex with a black bear!

GARBAGE!

So Mohammed you agree that god will judge you, but you have no qualms about judging other and calling them garbage. One word, Hypocrite.

Edifis I am sure he is nice in real life but just curious when did it get so personal..

I'm sorry youre still hung up on the "bitch" thing.

Honey, its been long gone, and I apologized a thousand times.

GET OVER IT.

And I'm sorry about being a disgrace to islam but I'd rather be judged by god rather than you when it comes to religion.

And personally I hold the up most respect to those who respect themselfs and the country they live in no matter what their beliefs are. But the ones who just start insulting out of hate are garbage.

GARBAGE.

No matter what I or they believe in.

And Sandeep, I will tell you what I have gathered from reading their posts up until now.

One is a good sort, but has a preconceived notion that everybody (except a few) is against her and hates her! And she dislikes people from some underdeveloped nations(especially the men)

The other sounds very sensible otherwise but is obsessed with the former and will always try to prove her wrong! But he is a good chap too!

Sandeep, I actually like the duels between Verisi and PM!

They make QL so interesting. It's so exciting to read their posts when they are in the middle of a deadly verbal intercourse! I also like the barrage of personal attacks coming from either of them trying to gain the upperhand!

I love his fantasy about how he assumes the police "rapped" me (hope he doesn't mean "raped" but you never know with these misogynists) and how the mods hate me. I guess that includes the same mods who banned him under his former nickname before he reincarnated himself as the SOS.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Veris just curious, what is your personal issue with PM, I remember you sending me a private message not to be friends with her when I added her as my first friend on QL..

So its not 'acceptable' to check with the police about what is acceptable and what is not?

What a load of garbage!!... this is taking matters to a whole new level of hypocrisy

Don't people have any respect or even care for the law around here?

Besides... if i remember correctly... the only person who actually did go to the police to tattle about someone on QL was PM... and she got rapped so badly by the cops that she was asked to delete all her past comments and from what I can make out, the moderators still hate her for it...

and the very same person reprimands me for just enquiring with the police if a matter is legal or not

It is in my right to discuss any matter with any authority in Qatar as I may deem appropriate

I am a law abiding indiviual... may I be in Inda, the US or here in Qatar... I respect the local law and customs... not getting caught does not make one any less guilty of breaking the law... and do not expect me to hush and brush under the carpet any matter that I think are unacceptable behavior...

One thing I find amusing is that I am friends with so many "western women" and they are all so graceful and nice, how anyone can use bad names and abuses for them is beyond me...

Mohammed, you are an absolute disgrace to Islam and worse you carry the same name as our beloved and respected prophet (pbuh). Not one time in history did the prophet ever disrespect or called non believers as garbage for not agreeing with him and calling western women bitches(even as a joke which you claim), is just so low and pathetic. I seriously suggest you go and research islamic principles and behaviour and become accustomed to them before you go judging and preaching others about Islam and respect.

alraheeb-qatar

i guess for me was strange when i was in US first time in GYM and i saw all walking naked in shower even my karate teacher. later i got used to it, but i stayed wearing my towel when moving around ,it is just something you get use to it without thinking , so do not blamme them.

If I don't get a maid soon, I think I will rub my back against a date palm tree very soon like an ox.

We all need a maid to bath, I think! How else am I to scrub my back properly? My hands can't reach everywhere very well.

lol Alexa then I will see an Indians stink thread :)

Man it's really hard to respect the local culture and smell nice when you are not rich :(

You must use orange and blue,green & white bodypaint before going to the gym. So when you change no one will notice that you are naked.

I can't afford a maid, what to do :(

Should I never bath or what??

I really think this thread didn't deserve so many comments...

adey you are Racist and Garbage... Come to think of it so am I if the above criteria is applied ;)

I have made no comments on this topic as it has no relevence to me, so I really couldn't care less about the attire of people in Gym changing rooms......

however........

How on earth do you summise that anyone that disagrees with your side of the argument is 'racist' and 'garbage'?

This speaks volumes as to your level of tolerance.

"Deaths in the Bible. God - 2,270,365

not including the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the

many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc because no specific numbers

were given. Satan - 10."

If I were you I wouldnt waste any more of my time with these racist clowns.

I guess this is the place where nobody's could be all they dream to be.

So just let them talk all they want.

Some people cant find the courage to say what they really feel except when they're hiding behind some computer, so just let them express themself .

After all they'll eventually get tired and wake up to the true reallty of what they really are. (GARBAGE)

Wow versi, can you get anymore childish? Didn't your mommy teach you not to tattle. Seriously, you've reached a whole new level of pathetic.

Reminds me of Kindergarten: "I'm going to run and tell the big policeman next door what people on QL are saying!" :-P

lol

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Jack you can now talk about anger management

whitenight's comment.... "As far as gym changing rooms, spas, and saunas are concerned, you are forgetting that these very luxuries are ALSO IMPORTED. They are not an inherent part of Arab, Middle Eastern, or South Asian culture (which mostly makes up the population of Qatar)."

Hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa... you really have me in splits... !!

I checked with my neighbor who is with the police, (officer grade, old timer)... that I had seen a lot of people nude in the changing room of gyms and asked if this is okay... he said absolutely not...

He said that this trend of people being nude is absolutely new to him and that he had never heard of this

But in any case, he said that he would need to discuss the matter with his colleagues... he didn't say what would be done about it...

But he made it very clear that it was totally unacceptable... So all you nudists out there... pls persist your nudist behavior so that the rest of us can find out what happens...

I even do my house work in the nude... But I do respect Qatari culture!

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

just now I am naked in my coffin!

But I do respect Qatari culture!

this thread is going in the wrong way!!!

Why these mad dog israeli here, just get away from human forum QL, jackfrost don't show your bl__dy flag here it feel vomiting only,

Sorry, wrong definition again. I don't see those who talks, walks the talk.

All of this marketting policy only, like how people are selling their product by displaying , like wise these naked or half naked are the same. otherwise why these people is displaying their private to others?

Qatar Govt should take an action against these people, because it is very difficult to go the mall and all with families and children.

...we hate those who want to impose on us their beliefs which may contradict with Islam.

Who's saying that expats who walks nude on a sauna is an idea that they're "imposing their beliefs that contradict Islam"?

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

i would like to have a sauna with all of you.

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

thank you.

over and out.

Hi Khalid,

I agree with you - what you see growing up around you constitutes as normal for you. And that is exactly what a lot of people are trying to say here, even though they aren't so clear or thoughtful in putting their point across. I grew up in the Middle Eastern, European, and American cultures - and to be honest you're always growing up, even in your 20's and 30's. Everything I have seen growing up in different parts of the world taught me that the term "normal" is extremely relative. What is normal to you, may be absolutely abnormal to me even if my or your religion explicitly states it. It all depends on your environment, which shapes your thinking and your attitude towards others. Yes, people should definitely be considerate about the culture of the country they live in (when in Rome, do as the Romans). However, you must also keep in mind that by welcoming expats in your country, you are consciously allowing some breathing space for alternate behavior. As far as gym changing rooms, spas, and saunas are concerned, you are forgetting that these very luxuries are ALSO IMPORTED. They are not an inherent part of Arab, Middle Eastern, or South Asian culture (which mostly makes up the population of Qatar). You are being unfair in expecting people who in fact began this trend to modify it for your needs. Let's be honest to ourselves, when we want to see nudity, everyone knows where to go or what to do and the first place that pops in your head is not a gym locker room or spa. Lastly, out of SHEER PRACTICALITY, gyms, spas and saunas are meant to allow your body to breathe and relax, not sweat and stink under thick layers.

Hope I managed to lessen some of the expat hatred?

- They count my sins when I starve my body; my virtues when I starve my soul -

wonderful contributions on QL!

Why don't the Mods kill this offensive thread??

Its the worst of the worst.

LMAO.

I didn't realize cultural considerations reached across the restrooms line.

Way to alienate expats - what a warm welcome.

- They count my sins when I starve my body; my virtues when I starve my soul -

umm hate to state the obvious but.. if you cant handle the jandal then don't look!

Is it that hard to figure out???

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

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Here in Qatar we do not hate other people who has different beliefs but we hate those who want to impose on us their beliefs which may contradict with Islam.

I say live and let live.

What is the definition of a Muslim?

One of the definitions of a Mulslim

Muslim is a person who does not hurt others by any mean.

why going to a sauna, when the only thing you need to do is going outside (well not in this fresh days..-but any day between may and october) AND FEEL OUTSIDE LIKE IN A SAUNA.....

Then nobody naked outside, then problem solved

YALLA...YALLA

QATAR THE IBM COUNTRY : Inch'Allah Boukhra MAfi mouchkil....

From this moment on, while using the GYM or SPA, I will wear tight white robes to protect me from Qataris. That why, no one will feel jealous or distracted at my pecker reflection in the mirror.

“terrorists rely on an endless supply of people living in extreme poverty, with no other options in life. The only chance we have to see the end of terrorism, is to end extreme poverty.”

Graduated from Xavier Institute for Higher learning

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

i wonder what you meant of " naked dress"?

I would rather have people seeing the human body just as a body then this Muslim/Islamic lot who see it as a sin.

Do they realise how far behind they are?

The way you think is stupid...you are ripped of and why you are still at war with your neighbours...you are at least 1,000 years behind!

You are retarded but eduacted...get real...you see the WEST..it aint great....but it is better than your life.

candyfloss you don't HAVE to wear anything around your face but a bit of respect for the culturre here won't be a bad idea. I really think you should reconsider your job offer else you will end up whining and complaining about everything here.

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you don't have to wear anything around your face...

but with this kinda attitude, you could consider shoving that piece in your mouth instead...

Dude.. are you telling me that i will have to wear that piece of sh*t around my face when i get there.. I will have to reconsider my new job offer in doha!!

come on I really am whats the big deal?, I mean you could see I was just playing and I took it off and apologised.

Take it easy....

Mohammed you are such a HYPOCRITE. Is it any wonder that Western women have such a low opinion of Arab men when you (who is married)say you're looking for a woman and you call us bitches? Talk about double standards. Why on earth would we respect you or your religion when you pretend to be a stable, loving, faithful Muslim following the word of the Quran yet all the while you are harbouring a desire for an extra-marital affair? You just shot yourself in the foot my friend.

Joke or not, now we all know what you REALLY think.

Have to put my pyjamas on next time I go for a swim.... or perhaps put my suit on with the proper shirt and tie as wll when going to Sauna!!

How is that?...happy now?

for nudists gym...

strut your stuff...

shed your weight AND your undies...

Nice place to hang out and to let it hang out...

members who "avert their gaze" are also invited...

but I avert my gaze.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

acceptable to disrespect others and I certainly would suggest that anyone who hates Arabs should not even consider working here as only bad things will come of it.

I have to say, I also don't understand why an Arab Muslim would put on his profile that he is: "in urgent need of A bitch. perferably a blonde caucasion 5 foot ten blue eyes 50 to 55 kilos and no older than 25. No kids."

I find that really insulting -- especially as a caucasian woman. You are promoting the stereotype that Western women are easy and sexual playthings for men. You just lost all credibility in my view.

I feel the same way about your brother nasser who lists his interests as: money women and alcohol.

How can you guys demand respect when you don't have it for yourself or others?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

PM - You don mind looking at women undressed...

Hmm.. rings some bells....

but I don know about wht.....

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Men will wrangle for religion, write for it, fight for it, die for it, anything but live for it

It is a cultural difference. Many people think that people using saunas and changing rooms that are segregated according to sex shouldn't be so worried about if someone else exposes themselves a bit in the course of showering, changing or using a sauna. Personally, I am very modest by nature, but I also don't go around looking to see if I can see another woman in a state of undress. And if I did happen to see that, I wouldn't be offended because I would just figure she doesn't share my culture.

I think Khalid started this once again to pit Arab Muslims against Westerners and non-Muslims. He has a long history of drawing up these comparisons that always are aimed at judging one wrong and the other right. That is why I responded in the way that I did. I think Khalid promotes a lot of irritation and disrespect here on QL.

And lastly, I agree that I am very grateful I am in a safe place. However, I am referring to overall safety as a person -- not because I am an American. I have never been any place where I was treated poorly or afraid for my safety because I am an American -- and I have been all over the Middle East, Asia, Latin America and Europe.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

will not result in respect. In fact, it usually creates DISrespect and generates more hate.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

because his language is un-Islamic and his behavior here is causing hatred between people. Right?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Why is he not banned yet?

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

so whoever asks westerners to not walk around in the nude becomes a homosexual!... trying really hard to get a grasp of this glorious notion...

Anyway... memberships are open for the nudist gym... members are expected to wipe and sanitize any surfaces they may grace with their privates... otherwise its like any other gym

losers...bye.

spas or gyms and am in the nude? In fact, I do not and am extremely modest by nature. Nice way to talk about a woman. At least you treat all women with the same disrespect -- Muslim or not.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

pre-occupied with this one.

are you insane, or just a wierdo??

do you harbour internaldoubts about your sexuality?? does it bother you that others might have dispositions and thoughts different, or in line with yours??

Why does liberty bother you so much? are you a homosexual and just cannot express it??

why do you even begin to think that nudity has anything remotely to do with sex? besides the fact that you people are never allowed to show any skin.

Doe sit make you think at all why you have the only culture on the planet like this??

Do you realize that others do not condemn your culture, yet you condemn everyone elses??

Just to let you know, I am a confirmed heterosexual, but I am of the firm opinion that the gym rules are total baloney.

Gym for nudists...

First in line for membership... mmyke, harmagedon, PM, exiledsaint, titan_uranus etc...

why restrict the nudity to changing rooms... we'll have nudity even in the excercise areas...

they can be nude on the tread mills, while cycling, nude during aerobics, yoga and even while they do weights...

This way, those who can't bear the nudity can keep away and the nudists can strut their stuff to their hearts content

and when the cops come around to deportation, they can just take the membership roster and it would be a favor for QL as well...

just pushing their buttons,,,,3rd world people who cannot handle the truth.

what a bunch of silly people...Khalid, go stick your head back into the sand where it belongs,,,you should never have been given the tools to pull it out anyway.

So how do they know that Arabs have the second biggest penises when they never get their knob out except for their wives and mistresses? It seems it would haram research at any Arab university. However the Arabs are very closely related to black Africans so it could be true.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

harmagedon, i'm speechless. You said it all :)

...listen to the sound of silence....

on a scale of 1 to 10, i give nasser a 10 IN GAYNESS.

Body is art. So don't hide it. Never.

Ok... I'll go to hell, likely to meet you there.

What judge them on they're watch the language please

Go to hell.

If they disrespect me I disrespect them. Nothing wrong with that.

I dont really care where the money goes. cause it aint going in my pocket for sure.

I'm just saying dont bite the hand that feeds you or then it might just turn around and bitchslap you.

NASSER...please do not talk about Muslims/religion nor should you judge people on their behavior as your previous posts tell us that you are no different than the once you yell at.

Shaloom.

nasser I am all for you guys following your culture and religion and the desire to get others to respect it but the expats are creating your wealth, not living off your wealth.

Rules are a guideline for intelligent people, but they must be adhered to by idiots.

I've heard this argument of how there is only either one of the sexes in a gym locker room so nudity is okay...

Does that mean that when we go to men's toilets at the malls, its okay to be nude?

Or maybe even at barber shops... why have separate changing rooms for males... just have one big room where everyone can just strip at will... its a lot more economical right...

Lame westerners with no sense of shame who drop their pants the first excuse they get and then charge others who wince upon being exposed to a third person's privates!

If you have the common sense to understand that we find the sight of your privates utterly disgusting... please oblige... if you don't then well... I guess a dog's tail can never be straightened...

when some matured (adults) were insulting arabs and muslims in general.

Does a person have to become racist to be a grown up like you guys?

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Mind your language,please!

Jack, your statistics are a bit off. As far as size is concerned black men are statistically the largest followed by Middle Eastern men. Caucasians are just one step ahead of the opposite end of the spectrum coming in at second last just ahead of East Asians.

Perhaps one should follow the implications of their signature lines?

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"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock - Will Rogers"

Thats the problem. You cannot discuss in a fit of anger. Cool down and think rationally before you post. Now its the MOD turn to exercise his authority

Perhaps mr. nasser isn't ready to play nicely with adults.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Adam & Eve was created naked, so whats the fuss and the religious problems about that. Its a matter of choice, though morally wrong unless done in an extreme way. Just how do you change your cloth in a changing room without taking off all your clothes in the first place. Even the Gods in heaven takes his underwear off to piss.

So a changing room is considered a public place in the Quran.

Maybe you the interpretation of the referrals has been overdrawn a bit. Equally, at times of Quran there were no sports-clubs, health clubs and such (maybe bath-houses) thus it is one of these points where Quran is holding you in a position where flexibility and adaptation to current times are extremely difficult. Your deserts are changing into cities, this has consequences. CHANGE is one of them, change does not means you have to loose your faith or set aside core values, however whining over seeing a penis Tis just simply immature.

to not show our sexual part in public, it is is only your wife who can see you or the doctor in extreme case.

You also must know and undrstand the Qatars culture takes its roots from Islam.

Khalid, to be very honest....

You have touched a point where I think people like you should grow up and get over 'it'.

You have a penis,

I have a penis,

You are a man, you have an ass

I am man, i have an ass

We cant help God/Allah/Jaweh has created us as such.

It is natural.

Unless you have doubts about your own sexuality and may be scared of getting a stiffy when seeing another man his penis. That, is your problem.

Why can we Europeans sit naked, mixed males and females, in a Sauna/Steam Room without any problems? I understand that here mixed is simply not possible, however a male that raises hell over seeing a penis in a changing room.........

Very very sad and immature.

You ashwindoke you know what it is the problem with some people here in QL is that they take some posts personally.

Dotti - Then take it from a regular on QL.. Khalid's majority threads are on Islam or religion based.

This recent change to non-religious issues is a change. welcomed by many :)

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I'm not a regular on QL, but have noticed that nearly ALL Khalid's threads are about nudity, sex, etc. He's obsessed with it. It's obviously on his mind all the time. Hmmmmmm, who's the one with the problem here I wonder??

from Nudity to Islam and culture attacks...

I jus love QL .. :)

Khalid I support you in this....

One should respect the rules of Land... said n the unsaid ones......

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I am very happy for the above discussion.

In most GYMs in Qatar when you go to the locker room after a shower, some times there is a guy standing infront of the locker naked, but at the same time I saw few days back and many days back some western people changing their dress in a very proper way and not being naked.

My message is to those who do not change in a proper way what is the problem if you do it in a proper way?

Mr. Nic you are weak person and have narrow thinking if you want to know why you can send me PM and I will tell you why?

C'mon this thread still ongoing....*rolling eyes*

Agree, its a bit disconcerting to see naked bodies, but for Christ sakes it's the changing room of a spa or gym, not a public road. Our freedom ends where another's rights begin.

Bottomline, if you can't stand the sight just don't look in that direction. Live and let live.

Nothing is more relaxing than flying like an Eagle in Heaven !!

man! relax. stop nagging. all ur posts are nags :)

if u dont like the people there, just dont go there or just go submitt report to Police but am sure they ll do nothing and u ll look like a fool. people for God sake, nagging and drama make us die sooner :) enough

I dont mind seeing naked women in a gym locker (comon they're just women... nothing I havent seen before:)) but I wouldnt walk around naked. The topic reminded me of something one of my friends told me long time ago when he went for his masters in US. SO there was this prof who was like a genius and a real pain for one of the classes he had to take and my friend was literally traumatised when he saw the dude in his gym locker stark naked! And for a few days after that day whenever he went for that prof's lecture all he could think was of the scene in the gym:)

"Ali Baba and 40 thieves" are now "Ali Baba and 30 thieves" ; 10 were laid off.

i really don't follow you mr tiger, what is modesty and is it really culture are you talking about?

if my culture or your culture will be offended by just mere people, handful people, who go naked at the spa or gym, i think it is about time for me to search myself. what culture i am talking about? what makes culture a culture?

is my culture of indecency lies primarily on naked guy at the spa? or at the gym? is seeing few people goes naked at the GYM OR SPA sending ill message to your culture? think about that.

will you please mr tiger discuss this to me, what makes a culture culture/

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Sorry, still can't figure out why men are choosing to look at other naked men? I very much doubt if any woman is doing this - hey we all have the same dangly bits, why is Khalid (and his ilk) fixated on them?

Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"

Its like getting nude in locker rooms is a God given right or something... why people can't understand that its just not a done thing in these parts of the world is beyond me... so much for the tolerance that these same people preach...

I've begun to understand that tolerance for certain people only pertains to other people having to accommodate them... never them being accommodating to others... hypocrites...

i do understand that FS..since khalid is local then he can easily blow the whistle if something is improper to avoid this.:)

hmmm.. close Qatar, let all expat go home and close it from tourist so you will not see people get naked..

Sad. With this kind of local attitude and assumption, its no wonder that Qatar is never selected to host an Olympic game, for instance.

Its sooo stupid. its like opening(permitting) bars and telling its visitors not to drink or allowing gambling centers and telling them not to gamble. Only wise thing is to avoid going there when you know its against your culture....

Shoot the messenger...

Olive, PM, Nic

Stop trolling

this thread is about nudity in gym locker rooms

Please don't change this thread in to a personal attack on Khalid

Khalid,

Lol..."development in Europe was caused by Islam" hehehehe... You sure have been "well" indoctrinated, no wonder you post the material you do!

But it is pretty clear that you are obsessed with sexuality and I think you need to do something about it besides posting on QL. You repeatedly call attention to certain nationalities and their behavior and appearance. If you can't accept expats your "Islamic state" then move to Saudi where they keep them on compounds and you can live in glorious hypocrisy.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

He doesn't want to promote those things at all Khalid, what he wants is to be able to go about his day without having guys like you try and impose your beliefs on him and change the way he thinks.

mmyke is a person who wants Qatar have the red street same as that in Amestdam in Holland, and he also wants to have gay community here and nude gardens same as in UK and Canada.

The above points are things which I think he wants to promote here in Qatar, and I will not agree at all with him.

Also he forgot that the development in Europe was caused by Islam.

"The fact that you can type your message in a computer here in Qatar is the result of letting the western world come into Qatar. If the West wasn't here, you would be in the same conditions as you were 100 years ago."

Gimme a break! that kind of thinking is CHILDISH

The good man just asked people to not walk around nude in front of strangers in the locker room... I second the motion and so do Arien and FS... neither of whom are Muslims or Arabs...

Why do people from the West find it so hard to adapt to local traditions is beyond me! How hard is it to wear a towel around the waist?

Nothing is wrong with you having your own believes, what is wrong is you imposing them on others and expect the world to spin around you. This is no longer possible, not even in one’s own country!

As for the fact that your country opened its doors to the west, it just has to bear the good and the bad.

The fact that you can type your message in a computer here in Qatar is the result of letting the western world come into Qatar. If the West wasn't here, you would be in the same conditions as you were 100 years ago. And maybe that would be better, because you wouldn't have to face any western or western products or life style.

Because your government choose not to remain isolated and invited the west in, you have to take it the whole package.

If you are not happy with this, which is your right, please convey your message to your Emir - the only one who can stop the western world coming into Qatar.

I feel sorry for people like you, because this is the global world and you can't expect the world to pretend they are what they are not, just for you.

I suggest you start preparing your kids to become more open otherwise they will be left out!

All the best mate!

I care about my country, I am trying to say to those who do not know some things about our culture that here are things that are not allowed.

Let Canadian live the way they want and as they say live and let live.

Nic please answer me what is wrong when I raise things that Qatari people do not like to see in Qatar?

At your home you are free to do what you want according to your beliefs.

Also answer why some people like you and PM take this as personal attack?

A silly man will tell you come to work wearing thoub and your wife should wear Niqab or Abaya.

You do not want to see that there is what is called respect points where the majority of the east and west agree on them.

What is wrong when some one says what he think is wrong?

Discussion will always be there and it will be great if it reaches a respectful level with good words and arguments.

Khalid,

Seriously mate, your posts and your comments makes me doubt if you really studied in Canada.

It is clear to all here that you are a radical, so please for your own good and the good of your country and your religion, do not post any more of your bs in the main forum (even if its disguised by angelic and patronizing messages). As you could realize, all your post end up on people bashing you, your country, your culture and your religion. This happens because you provoke it and this is not good, attracting hate against it!

Please restrain your self to the Religious forum and all will be ok with you and your personal views of the world.

Its fun to watch PM evade my question

She is too twisted to admit what she actually thinks

So pretty much all she has to offer are personal attacks

Yes Khalid, in Canada people are naked in the sauna. If you don't like it, don't use the sauna.

I hope I did not harm any one.

I have question why take this post as a personal attack?

I wanted to say that those who change their dress after the work out should do it in a proper way, This is my message.

PM see I went to a nice GYM in Canada but when I went to the Sauna in that GYM I was shocked because all the men were naked in the Sauna.

PM not all people are the same.

I had a spanich friend before and when she saw a woman walking in the street showing her big cleavage she said yach this is very disgusting, so this means that there are people in the west who are really very good.

Again I repeat that some people take my post as a personl attack against them and PM you are one of those who take this post personal.

PM this shows also that you think that all people are like you.

It's just sleazy to me in a public sauna -- even though presumably the steam sanitizes everything :-P

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Well, what can I say other than that this Khalid is a complete clown. What kind of idiot sits in the changing rooms long enough to notice guys tools swinging about? A homosexual one?

Khalid, you clearly have issues. Just admit your sexuality...stop denying it.

As it happens and Im sure some will agree with me here, I speak/work with/teach many young Qataris and they all love the West. They cant wait to leave Qatar in the summer so they can walk around, free from idiots like Khalid.

They can TALK to girls/boys have a laugh, and just be themselves. No pressure, no expectations, no hassle.

The fact of the matter is, the youth of Qatar are waking up to the fact that there is more to life than Qatar and SOME of the idiots who live here. I say some because I actually think the majority of Qataris are good people and I have some good Qatari friends.

Cant escape the fact that some will just never escape their own, very outdated and very unfortunate belief that the West is 'evil' and that we are trying to corrupt the youth of Qatar.

If these people hate the West so much, why get fat on Mcdonalds or KFC? Why watch Hollywood movies? Why support Premiership football teams?

So, in summary...Khalid is a very, very strange individual.

i don't find changing in a locker room offending, in fact six sense spa at sharq village doesn't contain changing rooms. However, i do find getting nude in a sauna or steam room to be revolting.

Some great guy once complained about me working out with my sleeveless shirt at the Intercon Jym, that was my last day there.Never felt like going to a place with people having such a cheap attitude.

Come on get a life world, its a f#$%^& JYM, and if you are jelous that you cant be like me, then Compete and not complain...

wrong post

Sorry, but can't help wondering why Khalid is fixated on naked people of the same sex. In such situations, you get dressed, you go home. Why is he hanging around in all male locker rooms and suggesting that young people are "peeping" at others?

Signature line > "You can't fix stupid"

Or just follow it because you are not free to do otherwise?

Just curious....

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Do you condone men or women being naked in common areas such as locker rooms?

you're either homophobic or aroused by naked men.

i'm thinking the latter, you're just in the denial stage.

I know for a fact no one is NAKED in the gym and even if you ran into it in a steam room (where I know it is discouraged here), men are not with women.

You need to get control of yourself and stop sexualizing everyone. I suggest praying more and fasting since you can't seem to control your gaze.

I didn't drink the kool-aid! -- PM

"since we have now established that being naked is normal in changing rooms and saunas"....

DREAM ON!!

Quote... Experts say that sitting is not the best position because to get maximum benefits requires that you lie down. Even when sitting these same experts advice that you should not let your feet dangle. So, proper sauna etiquette requires that you, at least, wear a bathing suit or wrap a towel around your body. And, you need to choose the right material for both the bathing suit as well as the towel to get maximum benefits. Using breathable cotton is recommended as it will prevent the occurrence of discomforting moments in the sauna that will occur simply because you failed to address the clothing issue properly. unquote

http://www.linkroll.com/Saunas-Home-Improvement--17793-Sauna-Dont-Feel-Shy-About-Being.html

verisimilitude said yeah alumnar...

...you are commenting about people who talk on their mobiles while driving and jump red signal lights while you yourself are at a police station paying a traffic fine.

Commenting on this: My parking fine was when I DUMPED (parked on the side of) my car outside Doha Clinic, running inside with my 6-year-old daughter who couldn't breathe due to a Bronchitis attack. Not that I have anything to explain to you directly, but thought I would clarify it just because I can!

Yes I am an expatriate - does that mean I like all of them? Do you like everybody you know? Don't pick little bits of my post, look at it the way I see it and think about it before attacking. Don't like the truth? Tough! Look at my signature and it should tell you what I think.

Alexa - you are so right... but sometimes ignorance gets me carried away... I should know better.

Britexpat - I don't like London either. BUT the mix of cultures and nationalities shows that is a true city of the world.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

I do not get the point

You mean like you do the West Khalid?

To a certain extent... I mean it is a shower room and we are all men, right!!! Some of us are more blessed than others, but for the most part we should be able to be comfortable around each other. My issue is when the naked guy wants to come up and begin a conversation!!! I mean come on man! I talk loud enough, I don't need a microphone in my face. Respect the boundary rule. Being naked in a shower room is cool, but conversations will be nullified if you are not securely covered.

Knowing the culture is necessary to show respect.

Next time I will put a nice post on Qatari Culture, because really what makes me sad are those people who think all Qatari people are not nice because they faced one bad guy and I am also 100 % sure that there are western people who understand that not all Qataris are not nice.

The mistake some people do is that they judge the who population by one person.

You seriously know people who would like to require western women to wear it here?

How about starting with the local chicks first? See how they respond to that new dress code...

Muslim women are not even ALLOWED to wear it in the Grand Mosque in Mecca during Hajj, during the holiest of holy times; that should be a clue as to how much of a requirement it is.

As to not getting naked in public, both sides need to suck it up a little bit.

Locals that are offended: You're in a gym. People sweat and get naked in the changing rooms. Nobody is stripping inches away from your face, so just turn away or leave if it bothers you THAT much.

Expats who get naked: Understand that folks here are more uptight about the naked human body that you are, and cut them some slack. Go into the changing room to strip.

Saunas? If it bothers you to see naked bodies in a sauna, you shouldn't go there. If you don't like to get naked yourself, then fine, wear your undies or a swimsuit. But your body is meant to be naked in a sauna.

"If you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between sh*t and syphilis in the dictionary."

- David Sedaris

Sorry. i don't like Londoners and their nasty habits.

LOL. You're contradicting yourself Khalid.

or not drink wine.

I am just telling to wear proper dress like some women in the west.

It is not necessary to follow what we do here in Qatar exactly.

We should have a common respect between us where we understand each other, and I strongly support the statement which says there are many common things between Islam way of life and Christianity.

I know some people will say the western woman should wear Niqap (face cover), I will say what the hell is this? Let them wear what they want as long as it shows respect.

We needs threads like this one. It's over 2 pages long. Obviously it's just the right kind for QL. More religious threads please, more culture bashing. People here are lovin' it!

another bashing thread conitnued....:(... blaming each other's culture.... Excess of everything is Bad....!!

Look around you Khalid, we dress the way you want us to, eat what you want us to, act the way you want us to, and still you expect more, more and more.

It must be mutual respect when cultures don't match. I heard there are exclusive clubs, beaches, etc for westerners to enjoy the way they wish. They want decency where it matters which is not exhorbitant by any means....

Khalid, are you sure you attended school in Montreal??!!

Can you give example of this unlimited respect?

Well said Alexa. They ask for unlimited respect for their culture, but don't expect to give any respect or tolerance in return.

you are commenting about people who talk on their mobiles while driving and jump red signal lights while you yourself are at a police station paying a traffic fine

And then you go on to talk about having too many ignorant and 'self centered' expatriates... and you are yourself an expatriate :-)

Many professors and doctors from India, Pakistan, Egypt, Sudan leaves Canad with their family, why?

Sure because they are not satisfied even they have good salaries.

See verisimilitude I assume that mmyke is xxxxxx personality so he want the others to be or have same personality.

i.e. if x is gay and support gay marriages he will never ever be against the idea of gay marriages.

That is only example.

It seems that mmyke is doing something and want all the people have the same opinion as him.

Be hones mmyke and answer my three questions.

Alumnar,

well said!

that's for you to sort out with your country men mmyke...

I don't have a Canadian passport

And neither do I have any problem with a fellow citizen wanting to bring up his or her child in any part of the world which ever way he likes as long as it is legal... that's his right and prerogative...

... such as comments like 'we do not respect Qatari culture'...!!! If you want YOUR culture to be respected in the way YOU perceive respect, then why have things/activities which are not according to your culture? Look at London, ONE of the places in the world with such a HUGE mix of cultures. Does anybody english complain on the forum about habits of non-english cultures? I think that in this country people need to open up their minds and adapt to evolution. It is no wonder things are so far behind here. You want to be like other countries? Develop customer service, construction safety and standards, househelp and babysitter conditions, legal working hours, salaries, driving, arrogance and ignorance... and I could go on forever!!

I went into the police station today to pay a traffic fine and instead of answering to my 'Good morning, where can I pay this fine?' I got laughed at and they walked away!!! I was dressed in long trousers and a T-Shirt with half sleeves!!! And when I paid the fine I was asked: 'you like Qatar, Qatar beautiful yes? Qatar perfect?'.... yeah sure, soooo NOT!!!! If it wasn't for work nobody would catch me in this country, and once I leave the Middle East I swear to God you won't find me here again even if my LIFE depended on it!

I am not saying that there are only small-minded local people in this country - I met a lot of very pleasant and educated people with whom it has been a pleasure to talk and socialize. I have actually met more ignorant and self-centered expats than anywhere else in the World I have been! Those who think they can talk on the phone whilst driving and take their kids with them when it's time to pay the fine... and end up with the minimum to pay. Or drive through red lights and say that it wasn't their fault! So these people adapt and fit in perfectly with the non-constant standards I keep coming across...

Anyway... put a towel around your waist to keep Khalid happy ;) and have a nice day everybody!

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

and turn in your passports,,,we as heck don't want you.

then please don't continue to come to my country and lie continuously to acquire a passport, and then have the audacity to live elsewhere in the world and call yourself Canadian.

What a sham, but its how you guys live.

No chance I'd want them to grow in Canada... definitely Arabia!!

Maybe I might send them there for college but definitely not grow up there

and if you ask around, you'll see plenty of people of Indo-Pak-Arab origin with canadian/american passports who leave the US/Canada/Australia and come as immigrants to the Gulf mainly because they DON'T want their kids to grow there...

Can you answer the question related to the GYM?

I will also appreciate if you answer my three questions.

is in the pudding.

Where would you rather your children grow up? In Canada or Arabia?

I agree... some people are just immune to logic and reasoning and too stubborn to change their ways or adapt to their environment no matter what... that's part of the reason why I spent less time on QL these days...

a waste of time.

by walking around naked in front of strangers, its the locker room flashers who are going back to pre-historic 'conditions'

But I like your usage of the term 'free world'... a glorious term which in reality is a means of subliminally equating traits of Western Society to all that is wonderful in this life...

of time.

chnix,

but that won't make people fight, feed culture and religion bashing threads and attacks on the west - what Khalid is really looking for.

would just solve the issue in the particular gym that he goes to...

but by making more people know, he spares other people like me the misfortune of having to witness locker room flashers

And he saves the locker room flashers the misfortune of being caught with their pants down... literally... for lack of awareness of local customs...

just go back to your pre-historic condition and leave the free world alone.

From what I see from the comments. They dont have a proper arrangement for changing cloths in the gym here.

Only a locker and that doesnt hide you when you change. So the gym and the culture keepers has no right to complain here.

Create individual closed arrangement for changing, you will save your eyes from viewing hanging things. ;)

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Chinx Khalid is just trying to educate people about the culture here..I dont understand why people are not getting it...

verisi no personal issues here.my mind speaks to what ive read. if khalid is really disturb and find it as a disgrace to their culture then he must make necessary action to that matter.

Khalid... what these people try to do to you is known as 'Argumentum Ad hominem'...

Its subverting the message by attacking the messenger

Its an old trick used by politicians

So you have to be careful to keep the topic separate from your personal beliefs on other issues...

for instance... observe how chinx makes a comment that I may not be taking showers after my work out... its a baseless allegation and it has nothing to do with being naked in the locker rooms... she does it bcos she realizes that her argument is hollow and her only hope is to slander me and hope that I take bait and switch the discussion to defending myself... juvenile... but sometimes effective...

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person" or "argument against the person") is an argument which links the validity of a premise to an irrelevant characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.

simply you can complain with the management to refrain them from doing khalid, if it shows disrespect to your culture.:)

Here's my thoughts. If I do not want to see naked people in the changing room I will use a facility that is available to me i.e. a cubicle. That way I can get naked to change and not have to see other nakies! Personally I wear a bikini in the sauna and steam room because you don't know who has been sitting naked before you :)

Do what you need to do. Just make sure you can live with the consequences

viresi ive read it that's why i post a comment...he meant that pipz walking naked on spa and shower rooms...what they will do in shower rooms anyway?displaying their nude bodies only without intention of taking bath?of course they did it on purpose coz they plan to take a shower... ive been with gyms and after done workout i have to take a shower in nude,i dont mind.

A weak person will be corrupted.

In the west they are free to do what they want.

Here they should rspect the local customs.

If I was going to a GYM in the west and then I want to take a shower with my pants for example and it is not allowed with pants, I will take the shower at my home.

Here we are not used to see these naked people, and believe many Qatari people that these naked people infront of the locker are donkeys, because we are not used.

there is nothing wrong if your naked with these particular areas unless if there is a prohibited guidelines not to do such.

As usual, Khalid was dying to go ahead with his hidden agenda: attack the west!

Did you go to 'Chez Paree", Khalid? Or you would just pass by its doors discreetly and then go back home to punish your temptation?

I can’t believe you were in Montreal for a while without being corrupted by that freedom of the West!

yeah, they are afraid to see a piece of naked body, which is absolutely natural, and at the same time have no any clue about confidentiality in the Clinics, where they exhibit for the public viewing and hearing such confidential information like medical records, which is one of the most willful violations of medical ethic in the whole world… All upside down..

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sorry for diverting it.

Let us discuss the main topic.

Khalid polygamy does not have a high popularity in British Colombia. The people you are referring to are part of a religious group called Mormons and it's illegal in Canada to marry more than one woman or man.

As for the nudity shops, who cares, if you don't like them, don't go in.

I have been to Canada (Montreal for study) there is street called St Cathrine street where it is full nudity shops.

Why does Canada allow such shops in a very longshopping street?

Why in Canada GYMs people are naked in the Sauna and walk naked in the changing room on their way to the Sauna and vice versa?

Ok one answer would be ok this their culture.

But tell me why in British Colombia polygammy is having very high popularity (one man is 20 or 40 wives)?

I think you make a valid point with the getting nude in the change rooms here but you're undermining what you said earlier by going off the topic of this particular thread...

Hey KTT, is that why your GF left you? your homophobic tendencies?

Who the hell is sending their kids away for 3 to 5 years at 13 & 15 years old? Do you know anything about the West you don't get from soap operas Khalid?

the odd thing is you not reading the thread before commenting...

How many of you care who are the friends of their children?

children must go and hang with friends.

What I mean is those who go and stay 3 or 5 years away at the stage of 13 or 15 yrs old.

you assume there are no rules in the gym... I assure you there would be... just ask around...

Even if you're told that 'it's okay'... do remember it just means 'we won't tell' and that you are doing it at your own risk...

I don't give two hoots if you get naked in the change room... as long as its not in the men's locker room, its none of my business...

but if you or your kids get in to trouble over this (baring in the locker room), it should not be for not knowing it...

so what do you expect a man to wear for shower? complete set of clothings?is'nt it odd?

dress room, sauna, and shower rooms??? are you planning to wear full metal jacket on these areas?

it's not about the age of whom is naked... it's the mind of who is watching....

"I don't go back on my words, that's my way of ninja"

of the dangerous drugs originate with your brothers in Afghanistan.

"showers with curtains".. aren't they for those who take shower? I didn't intend to take a shower before working out, why would i use them?

You don't use the toilet when you want to drink a tea, I guess...

Beside, why I have to carry all my stuff to the shower (sport bag, high heel shoes, my office suit, etc) since I need a LOCKER for storing the clothes, not a shower.. i don't get it..

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you are speaking foolishly. You have no idea about what you are writing.

Your culture promotes suicide vests and beheading people, so please don't make foolish statements about the west...that you know nothing of...please.

KHALID

nothin will happen here

waste of time

better to contact management and see if they can do anythin about THAT

I have no issues with my children seeing naked people in a locker room Khalid. And what do you mean go off and come back? You mean go and hang out with their friends? What's wrong with that?

Actually I don't versi. I really don't see what's so offensive. And if there are no rules in my gym about it, I don't see why I should do it just because someone might blush at the site of my bare boob.

do not know how change their dress by that I mean that if they change dress they must show all their parts.

I have a question and let us answer it honestly, does any one of you like his / her 5 yrs old child to see a naked man or woman in the locker room?

Again it is culture issue.

For example why many families in west let their 13 or 15 yrs old girl or boy go away and come back after some time?

At 13 or 15 yrs he/she might get killed or what ever like dealing with drugs or becoming prostitue, really 13 or 15 yrs is the time where the good values are earned, but it seems that those families (not all families becaue I know there are good west families) do not have any responsiblity towards their children.

Really raising children is something very difficult and chalangable.

If your kid is raised properly then you are helping your country development, but if your kid becomes a drug dealer and mafia then you help in destroying your community.

why cann't there be change rooms like in the malls? I have never gone to a gym! now getting some interest..

I know you've got my point so I am not going to waste my time with you...

there... so you were told by a gym employee and still you proceeded with baring yourself...

there are showers with curtains you know... its not like you don't have ANY options at all...

It's a change room Versi, which means you CHANGE CLOTHES in it. Nudity is going to happen in a place where you CHANGE CLOTHES.

gym authorities?!...hehehehehe

there are no signs on the corniche or beaches saying 'no nudity'... does that mean being nude is acceptable there?

Ignorance of rules is not an excuse... you have a responsibility to check with the gym authorities if it is acceptable or not...

When 3 years ago I enrolled in my first Gym in Doha, I proceeded to the lockers, and started changing the clothes. It was nobody around. I took my top off, and at the same time one of the staff entered the area.

She exclaimed: “Ah!”..

I looked around, and didn’t find anything exciting. Besides the lockers, I was the only object in the room. I asked her: "What made you so excited habibti?"

She goes like: “you… (ME??) .. .you … you cannot change here”.

EH? Ain’t I in the LOCKERS/changing area? Where should I change then? Home?

I just continued with changing…

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mmyke,

i don't think the problem is with Arabs, it's more with certain islamists!

How am I supposed to put a bra on without showing my boobs? Anyway no sign, to bad.

may be when you are getting your pants (and knickers) off... YOU can put up a sign on the locker room door asking Arabs to stay out, you would probably be doing everyone else a favor!!

stay out of the locker rooms then.

Pour Clorox bleach in your eyes if you don't want to see.

It's really pretty simple.

No one is stopping you from changing in front of the locker... as long as there is no partial or full frontal nudity involved...

Technically its not against the rules...The gym has rules for dressing ...not for "undressing"....

But if one were to take the general rule of Qatar into consideration then people have to be a little more conservative....

There are no signs at my gym saying I can't change in front of the locker. Therefore I will continue to do so.

If people were to say I don't see what's so offensive about smoking in a public area... if you don't like it don't breath... it wouldn't make too much sense now would it?

If its a no smoking area, don't smoke...

Regardless of what you may personally feel, there are certain social etiquette that people need to follow depending on the time, place, occasion etc...

In west for example there are what is called nudity parks and I think it was brought on national geography or discovery channel.

Here are two types of people the first type is changing his dress naked infront of the locker, the second type will change properly with out being naked.

I forgot there is also a third type who is changing his / her dress naked infront of the locker and want others to do the same. !!

See it is about respect.

Let us vote those who support changing naked infront of the locker type 2 and those who support changing properly infront of the locker with out being naked type 1

it won't be offensive even to tiger but will be a feast for his eyes olive. Only that it will be awkward to see the same sex for some...

this has been my point in previous posts

If the Gym (s) have rules and guidelines then enforce the people to go by the rules.

Simple as that.

Fines/Penalties: if in the end it leads to people to go by the rules then so be it.

Regards!!

I really don't see what's so offensive about me getting changed in front of my locker. If you don't like it, don't look!

my younger bro has joined gym... yesterday he went to gym in casual dress.. instructor advised him not to wear casual dress while in the gym... as if anyone inquires could be a fine of 10k...and its against the gym rules too...

he get back home, put on sports costume/joggers and then went to gym again...

Can you take photos at the Gold Gym? verisimilitude....

I would like to go there as a tourist!

ok its a western invention but don't you guys think it should benefit all and hence make sure that others are comfortable too with you. when something is displeasing for others you should respect it. thats what ethics teach...

I was walking down the Promenade at Nice along side the beach with my family... one of the top tourist spots in the world... and there were people lying stark naked on the sand... my four year old son was asking me a few inconvenient questions... but hey... I am not cursing Western culture for it... they're different... and so are we...

when we travel to west....I feel very uncomfortable seein them half and full naked in sauna and people look at me as if am nude when I am actually in a bathrobe in the sauna or near the pool...

mmyke you guys are more than silly for us...:(

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Sheikh Khalid, as your lawyer I see your point, but perhaps we need to step back and clarify a few things here:

1. Do you mean Spa or Swimming Pool? Spa is more privacy with limited people can gathered...half naked is normal but totally naked in front so many people event with the same gender is insane..perhaps they all homo

2. When you open a public Spa in Qatar you need to get a permit from local authority. They should know what is the Spa for and what is the implication of this Spa before they issue a permit. If they feel it will offend Qatari culture they will not issue a permit or will not allow Qatari to go inside..am I right?

3. If you feel offended by the guys please remind him politely to follow the unwritten rules, if he/she still ignore it please report to Spa Manager and file your complaint. Spa Manager should not which clothes allowed or not..

3. If the Spa does not do anything then take your camera with you and shoot those who you think not appropriately dressed and report it with picture to CID. This is your country my friend none expatriate can direct you on this...why you complaint in QL..wrong place...

Good luck my friend..sometime you have to be stringent to the ignorant and arrogant expatriates...some of them want to spoil your culture with their weird behavior and dress...PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN MORAL TODAY...!!!

“The fool speaks, the wise man listens”

Go and learn history

The people who ruled Spain & morocco were in fact originated from the arab peninsula. We can argue though that they were mixed of moors & arabs

And when I said eastern culture it’s not limited to the Arab peninsula

You can keep your prejudice for your self

BTW, just that you know SPAs in major hotels in Malaysia for instance has advisory signs to be modest & respect the Islamic culture .

and I get it dude believe me ...my experience here has been on a personal basis excelent...and I really have enjoyed the culture. And I have followed and committed to al the rules I have been asked to follow.

When I said disrecpectful I didnt mean you were...sorry if it sounded like that.

But like others have said and mentioned is a Gym; and if there are rules in the Gym facilities the people need to follow that...once again "Rules Enforcement".

Regards!!

genesis,

Why don't you follow your own advice? Before the Arabs invaded those lands, they were occupied by others!

Today's Maghribis are culturally mixed with a great dose of European influence, thank god!

consider us silly or whatever but just don't drop your pants okay!!

I have had the grave misfortune of seeing... 8-|

Apparently its a done thing in the West

are too silly for me...

Verisi - fine, I havent seen. They are retards, and thats not acceptable anywhere , not just in Qatar and its Culture

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Rules need to be enforced by the management or the Gym personnel.

Simple as that!!!

am i disrespecful to anybody?... i urged all to follow rules... coz violations results in the form of penalty...

its not that i m protecting my culture... though its different from qatari culture somehow...

genesis,

There is a huuuuuuuuge difference between Mediterranean Arabs and gulf Arabs!

Finish and Swedish saunas (not to mention others) doesn’t ring your bell?

Whatever its origins, it sure isn’t the desertic lands of the Arabian Peninsula!

The sauna concept is inherited from Hammams or turkish bath. And it’s a known fact, it’s eastern culture not western

Turkey, Spain, Morocco…does that ring any bill to you

I have seen it with my own eyes... at Gold Gym... SEVERAL TIMES... guys stark naked walking around in the changing room... and I mean not a single strand of thread... And the Gold Gym have a poster in the changing room that says dress modestly or whatever...

Speaking of saunas..How come saunaus are usually crammed in gay streets in London, Paris or new York And considered part of gay “cruising” culture?

is that also part of Nakedness has nothing to do with sex as you called it?

and those urging to follow/respect qatari culture can be disrecpectful to others so that their culture is "protected"?

Just a question?

Regards!!

I don't get your point still...

I don't see what cooling down or going to the sauna has anything to do with covering your private parts

Just wear a towel for God's sake!!

If you think this is a reflection of our culture, you are damn right it is... it is not local culture to be stark naked in front of strangers... same sex or not... just as it is not culture in the West for the same sex to be holding hands unless you are homosexual

I don't see why anyone has to be ashamed of subtle variations of local culture...

Just cos you are from the West does not mean that cultural practices slightly different from yours are regressive as you seem to imply... If you find these cultural differences difficult to swallow, fly back, but don't consider it acceptable to stick around and then ignore local rules and customs all together... maybe someone else from wherever you are from who are more tolerant of cultures different from their own can take your place...

where can i try maghrabi hammam

those dont respect qatari culture... are not allowed to live over here... go with the rules....

lol verisi... rarely I do have my say...:)

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Verisi - Do you believe guys walk aorund nude in dressing rooms? come on.. none would change like that in open. This guys is just stirring.

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Since when did you start having an opinion? :-p

you are wrong.

If one has a hard workout, and then has a hot sauna, you cool down. No-one walks about waving their private parts for wierd reasons, unless one is wierd, and they are usually shunned or boooted out of the change room.

However, arab countries have absolutely no culture or history of working out, or using the sauna, and then make the leap that this is somehow sexual. Its insane, and a reflection of your culture.

Please, just go away, and let those who come here to work, and who have raised this place from the sand, to have a moment of peace and relaxation without being bombarded once again with your silly rules.

After a relaxing time at the gym, and re-uniting ourselves with our innermost thoughts, we still have to drive home amongst the Land Cruisers....thats plenty enough.

you got a company huh? don't you?

At least someone thinks his way...

I agree with Verisi...

What he is asking is not that hard to practice anywayz..

Come on...Not all people are born shameless irrespective of displaying in front of same sex or opposite sex...

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would you walk around in the nude in the locker room of gym in Kerala?

Khalid is not talking about being nude in the shower... in the shower, be dressed as you please...

He's talking about people who strip to bare naked in the common locker areas before they even go to the shower

if there are signs it means there are rules/guidelines while in the Gym facilities; then it should be addressed to the Management to enforce the people to follow the rules.

As simple as that...Rules Enforcement

But trying to make it look like disrecpectful acts to a culture I don't think so!!

man! OMG! this guy is sick, yall take him to the AMERICAN HOSPITAL

there are signs displayed in my Gym's locker room that people should be dressed modestly...

And by that they just mean at least have a tiny towel around your waist so you don't walk around with your pecker waving!!

I don't see why that would be so hard... same sex or not...

But still I've seen people who insist on walking around stark naked!

People can rant all they want but the fact is that this is not acceptable behavior in many parts of the world, especially these parts...

So if you insist on taking your pants off, then don't be surprised if someone takes objection to it and you get deported or end up in jail...

Khalid are you bisexual? or a Gay?? cant stand viewing guys nude? lol

Do you wear a raincoat when you shower?

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it is also a islamic culture to drive at excess speed (all over town)?, to tailgate others cars?, to avoid and skip the waiting lines?, to ask "lone" ladies with kids for phone numbers?, to smoke in "non smoking sites"?, to be in the cinema talking on the mobile and chatting with others during the movie?

I saw this coming...now it is becoming yet another bashing thread!!!

Khalid’s mentality is not too far from the VII or VIII century. He can't see or understand how it is to be in the XXI century. The gap is just too wide for his little (washed)brain!

What about Dubai? It is an Islamic country also they have some restrictions as well but people are not fined just because they are wearing shorts and sleeveless,unless they will get naked of course..ahhh...that's why Dubai is more progressive than Qatar.

MY RULES:

1.I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.

2.JUST IN CASE I’M WRONG SEE RULE NUMBER 1.

the locals not respecting western culture!

Build your own gym and go pussy-foot there where you don't offend anyone.

Brit in a sauna I say yes wear a towel covering your lower half, but only cause I don't want your bum sitting where my bum may sit. But in the change room I don't care. Strut around in the buff all you want, doesn't bother me. In fact I kind of like comparing how fit I am to the other women. :)

in Islamic country you are not allowed to do that.

So does that also mean that IF YOU go to a non muslim country will you practice it there?

and i dont think if its Islamic Republic of Qatar. Its State of Qatar.

Dress naked. LOL

Arien ROFL!!! Three piece suit!!

--------Do I look like Bambi's sister???-------

Then you'd better stay away from the gym Khalid, cause it's a bad bad thing.

OK.. How about we just have a quick vote... Both ladies and gents..

Would you prefer that people did not walk around naked in changing rooms ?

Would you prefer that people wore something to cover their nether regions in public saunas ?

go give your head a shake,,,,,you are dealing with people from far more advanced cultures on this one.

Go learn something and then return.

Darude you are such a Perv....grrrrrrr lol

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for Pete's sake it was inside the sauna, not in the corniche..so what if you saw it with your eye,...

Let me give small example

Qatar is an Islamic country and if you have respect to Qatar then you should respect its culture.

Many people do not know about this, so it is chance for them to know.

If some one is borne in a place where nudity is always around him he will grow up thinking nudity is normal.

That is the end of the story, people are borne with clean and pure heart and this heart later on will either be good or bad.

It is some people physcology to get affected by the surrounding.

You are the one who choose to teach your son what is good or what is bad or teach him both, so he/she will do the right thing and stay away from the bad thing.

punishment for that is lashes on soft hairy bum not shot.

oh please do grow up!

of silly people.

"...this is not allowed here in Qatar"???

WTH / WTF

Is there any "law/decree" which states that people is not allowed naked in the showers/batrooms/dressrooms/saunas in gyms, spas or even in hotels?? How is this affecting the Qatari Culture??

You have not answered any of the questions that have raised in the discussion!!

Once again raise this issue to the Management of the Gym. Ask for rules to be enforced (do they have rules?)...but remember once you call for rules everybody will have to abide by them, even you...so be prepared to be pointed/mentioned by somebody else when you are not attending them.

Explain how did you see it where when and how did it happen. Explain the whole situation and how were your feelings then :D

Dear God no! Naked in a change room! They should be shot!

I would like to visit the spa or gym where girls in their 20s and 30s "dress" naked. Can you tell me which one

you are from a culture that is pre-historic.

Nakedness has nothing to do with sex.

In many places both men and women are naked in the sauna,,,only you guys wear full clothing to swim and sauna in and thats because you are who you are.

Please do not try to impose your silly notions and ideas on those who come here from advanced cultures.

khalid what do you want to see a naked women or a naked man?...pm me what you like most...

Khalid,

Oh my god!!!!!!!!!!! you saw it with your own eyes????? go and confess my child!

so where is it allowed tell me so i can go there :D

but in the Sauna !!

Infront of the wardrobe or caboard standing naked !!

I saw this by my eye.

See let us agree those who do like this are really people who need to be informed that this is not allowed here in Qatar.

i think he should think about changing his name from tiger to kitty kat.. tiger does not suit him anymore if he keeps complaining and whining about anything and everything.. :P

mmyke,

Maybe they are hiding some little problem that frustrates them so they go and vent it out in their Landcruisers!

you are totally wrong.

I actually quit going to the gyms here because it was absolutely disgusting to see Qatari males acting out in the changing rooms! Imagine mature males creating little tents of towels to change behind, as if they were a bunch of weaklings,,,well, second toughts on that!?

For people that go out and kill themselves and others in their Land Cruisers, and then have huge issues with showing their naked asses in a male change room,,,well it is the height of hyprocrasy.

One thing,,,gyms are a western invention, and the rules should be western, and not those of weaklings.

mjamille28,

LOL...that too!

he takes pleasure in whining like a baby.. :/

This guy Khalid is just steering the sh*t here, as this post has been repeatedly published in QL and it drags for 6 or 7 pages with culture and religion bashing.

This Khalid seems to take pleasure in attracting criticism to his own religion and freak mentality!

Morning Mrs QatarKiwi! Just going out for my morning Troll...

its hanging below britexpat hairy belly

When all people have the same rights,That is when I will respect the society.

Dont try and force me to conform to your beliefs.

ps

Where is this place with Todgers hanging out, It sounds fun :)

I know, that's why I used the word "comical", men lost out big time when it came to the choice of bodies :-)

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Jazz English is not his first langauge....lol

Darude stop making fun of modest people... you rude wolf..lol

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you want to join?

just pm me your number and will show you the direction.

and by the way its only male gathering so dont get exicted thinking that there will be females also.

you will need to bring your transparent underwear with you.

Exiledsaint...having a big one doesn’t mean that you should exhibit it...

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dress naked...is that an oxymoron?

Khalid you loosing your control seeing them? lol

Somehow I agree with whatever Khalid is saying...please dont walk naked outside your bathroom... I mean in public places...respect the culture people...

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It's not a pretty sight :O)

exiledsaint...just maybe.

Regards!!

the one who wears pink mink thong and run on the beach.

Britexpat - I think it would be quite comical seeing that in the men's changing rooms!

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your eyes stay healthy that way. :P

I must admit, people walking around waving their todgers can be a little disconcerting :O)

"If you're looking for sympathy, you'll find it between sh*t and syphilis in the dictionary."

- David Sedaris

you gotta be kiddin' me!

"Dogs don't bark at people they know."

What he means is those people that change in open view in the changing rooms instead of in a cubicle or using a towel to cover their modesty. I've always found this strange as the changing rooms are single sex only but maybe he has a really small one and feels embarrassed...

I understand the cultural dress code, but i just can not get it - how can you run or do sit-ups in abayia???? If you go to the gym, you should wear sport pants and shirt, which is designed for sport activities. And spa.... well, spa it's a spa. can you imagine to enjoy sauna in the dress???

Oh no , I am always in ma three piece suite when I am in shower and dressing rooms. why the heck should you look between the legs of peole man. grow up

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I also saw them swimming in the sea with full wardrobe. Must be a cultural thing.

he's all wrapped up like a spring roll when in the shower.. :P

maybe you should raise this to the "GYM" management/administration.

Are there rules to use the facilities? are they visible to everyone? are they explicit in terms of dressing in or out of the showers, sauna or bathrooms? Do those rules need enforcement from the management/personnel in the Gym?

On the other hand if it's in the "showers" how come it is disrecpectful of the Qatari Culture. Except for those in there no body else is looking at that.

I mean no one of those you mention in their 20, 40 or 50's is going half naked or totally naked into the streets (or are they??). And if they do then it will become an issue.

Just hope this one does not go into another bashing thread...Just hope!!

Strange is when they walk naked in the corniche..but in the shower rooms? don't tell me you are wearing thobe while taking a shower?

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1.I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.

2.JUST IN CASE I’M WRONG SEE RULE NUMBER 1.

If you don't want to see naked people don't go to a spa! For Jebus sake get a life.

geez it's a spa for cryin' out loud! stop whining like a baby and go get a life.. :/

Get a frickin life!

"Dress naked"? What kinda dress is that?