Is Arabic hard or easy for the brain?

Must admit that Arabic is extrely difficult to learn unlike many other languages.

I suppose like any other things has to appeal to you. It did n't appeal to me since it didn't sound musical like say Italian, Spanish or French say.....So after a few years I could understand some but never managed to speak it, whereas I spent only 6 months in Italy a few years ago and after that I could understand and speak it much much more than Arabic.

Having said that I suppose Arabic is hard for brain.

This is my own personal experience. Others may not agree.

Oops been away. Had things to do.

Apologize? what for? But still, you're forgiven. I'm nice like that.

"deceptive" - ad hominem. I don't do ad hominem. I'm nice like that.

what false claims?

what unjustified remarks?

You describe me with vitriol, but without support.

YAAAAWN.

If you have patience there is no impossible. hehe!

Jabba, You have been deceptive in your comments by making false claims and unjustified remarks and when you are caught red handed all you can do in yawn? Well that gives a very clear idea of what kind of a person you are. I think you are the one who needs to apologise here.

Yawn.

"Sorry but your motives remain suspect."

Apology accepted.

At least Nana28's motives are clear.

BTW Nana28 registered on this forum 40 mins ago!? I wonder if his silly post about Fashion is an atttempt turn people off from reading this thread and who will benefit if that happens ???

Jabba you keep saying that "everything is written by one person" ??

Actually you are wrong here again if you look carefully as you should when planning to criticise not all the articles are written by the same person. It looks like they have team of researchers as well. This goes to show that all this talk about low blows fits what you have done. I wonder what you think you sound like? Your quacks have been definitley pointing in a very interesting direction. Sorry but your motives remain suspect.

Yes it says just that.

Yet everything is written by one person. What kind of think tank is that? If it looks like a blog, quacks like a blog, well it might just be...

Your loaded language does not help your arguments.

Focusing on my motives instead of my arguments fits the definition of an ad hominem attack pretty well. Note how I haven't followed you to these lows? Because I don't do ad hominem :D

the author has done a great job in picking out flaws of the researchers of the original study

and rounded off by a thorough thrashing of jabba by Deshimoto for good reason :-)

Jabba, Nice try but I will not allow you get away with that weak jab. You simply could not miss it. The OCCRI website had it in big bold letters "A MUSLIM THINK TANK" in a prominent position for everyone to see. Your runaway conclusions, comments, and criticisms, were totally unjustified and therefore your motives are suspect.

LOL. Now you've moved on to ad hominem attacks. Fine.

If you're so touchy about someone stating the fact that things would be simpler and more accurate if a 'research institute' would be more accurately called a BLOG (which, ominously and tellingly you haven't even disputed throughout), then I'll refrain from making your blood boil any further.

As you said, till next time.

For your information,

- The Arabic language is the most aliquant language ever.

- The Arabic language has its own potential. For example, if a new terminology has been created in whatever language you can create by yourself the relevant Arabic word because each word in Arabic language has its own source according to its meaning. So if you heard that new Arabic ward you know directly what is this about.

- Each word in Arabic has only one meaning (in very rare cases to have two different meanings). For example, you can find more than 10 meanings of only one ward in English language.

- All the Arabic names have meanings.

- Around 10% only of Arabs aware 50% of the Arabic grammer.

- Around 1% only of Arabs speak the professional Arabic language.

Arab use only 75% of the Arabic vocabularies and 25% they even don’t know its real meanings.

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So,

To communicate with people in Arabic is not much difficult as they are not experts in their language.

The only different with any other language is you have to memorize more Arabic vocabularies.

In Japan we have a saying: "A wise man hears one and understands ten" !! I don't think it applies to you. Oxford is famous for colleges not instituites and moreoever when a website has it in big BOLD LETTERS that it is a THINK TANK no confuses it with the university except those, like you, who want to set up a stawman so that you can knock it down to undermine the article. Sorry but it didn't work here on this forum. I am sure everyone has seen how slippery you have been. Anyway it was good debating with you. Till next time.

I'm gonna loop out of this circle now. I'll re-state for the last time what I have stated before.

1. Yes it was 'institute' not 'centre'. my bad memory, eh?

2. Oxford university does not offer courses and PhDs in weddings. This is obvious. Like me not actually being a Hutt. The other isn't obvious. That's where the difference lies. It impliedly attaches the air of erudition of an Oxford institute to a blog. That is my whole point and always was.

The aritcle published by israeil reseaches is anti_arabic and biased. The creator ALMIGHTY say's

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ ﴿القمر: ٤٠

And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?" (Quran 54:17)

so dear open your eyes , and don't forget their are billions of non-arabic muslims who know quran by-hard. Which no other book on earth has the privilage.

goodluck

Circles indeed! Where did you get "Oxford Centre.." from? There is nothing like that on the OCCRI website. I just checked it again http://www.occri.org.uk/index.htm

And even if it did say "Oxford Centre" what is your problem with that? There are hundreds of Centres based in Oxford that are not related to the Univeristy! Should they all carry a bold note in their name to warn people that they are not affiliated to the univeristy? Perhaps you should write to the Oxford Centre for Weddings and let them know about the confusion there name is causing in YOUR mind. Here is their website: the http://www.the-oxford-centre.co.uk/

"Not everything is a personal attack against you, ya know?" Of course, I don't think you have attacked me but you have certainly gone out of your way to undermine a brilliant article by trying to find fault with the publishers. BTW I've just found out that the author actually lives in Oxford so he has all the right to use the word Oxford on his website. What's your problem with that?

*Sigh* we're going in circles.

"Aah so I see you have declined to answer about your competence in Hebrew even though you were very keen to tell us you do not speak Arabic."

Of course. One is the topic of conversation here, the other isn't. Your point?

"I think the raw nerve that was touched is yours."

Um hm. Sure.

"When the fact is that no one actually claimed that it was affiliated!"

Oh puhlease. If I call my blog "the oxford centre for X" are people gonna think it's associated with the university or that I just happen to live there?

"trying to undermine the article"

For the last time. I don't and haven't commented on the contents.

"I am still keen"

:) I can tell

"to know what you intended to gain by trying to undermine the article without actually engaging with it? What is it?"

LOL. Nothing :) I made a fair observation, as people do, in passing, which I thought (and still think) is accurate. Not everything is a personal attack against you, ya know?

Its easy on the brain unless you have to Master it.

Aah so I see you have declined to answer about your competence in Hebrew even though you were very keen to tell us you do not speak Arabic. I think the raw nerve that was touched is yours. It was you who clicked on my comment about a language you don't know then you visited the website links in the comment and also decided to warn people on the forum that "It's not actually affiliated with Oxford University.." When the fact is that no one actually claimed that it was affiliated! I am still keen to know what you intended to gain by trying to undermine the article without actually engaging with it? What is it?

Wow, who thought that a simple and accurate observation would spark so much controversy with you. I must have hit a nerve to make you so defensive.

"If you are not intereted in Arabic"

Who said that? I don't have time for it. Difference.

"why did you visit the website?"

I think I can visit whichever website I like.

"The website says it is a Muslim think tank in bold letters."

I know it does. It looks like a blog to me.

"What you did is like me saying oh I have a looked at Jabba's profile and he is not really an Oxford graduate nor is he a doctor and he is only pretending to be a member of the Hutt clan in star wars but he is not really a Hutt!"

Huh? Thats a complete non-sequitur. Hutts are fictional for a start (as is the rest of star wars).

"So be careful with his comments on this forum people!"

Yes you should be :)

"My guess is that the article is too powerful for you to rebut"

I had no intention of doing anything of that sort. As I said before, I cannot comment on its contents, as I don't know or speak arabic.

"so you decided to go after the website."

I made some observations. I really don't get your beef with that.

"BTW howz your Hebrew?"

Hows yours?

If you are not intereted in Arabic why did you visit the website? The website says it is a Muslim think tank in bold letters. What you did is like me saying oh I have a looked at Jabba's profile and he is not really an Oxford graduate nor is he a doctor and he is only pretending to be a member of the Hutt clan in star wars but he is not really a Hutt! So be careful with his comments on this forum people! ? My guess is that the article is too powerful for you to rebut so you decided to go after the website. BTW howz your Hebrew?

"You seem to be more keen on deligimizing the website rather than engaging with the content of the amazing article in it"

Yep. The impression it made on me was as I stated.

"you really do not want people to read the articles"

What do I care. People can read whatever they want

"Do you not like Arabic?"

Huh?

"Why have you not learnt Arabic?"

Same reason I haven't learned how to play guitar. No time yet.

according my experience as a native arabic speaker i can tell the following:

it depends on your brain, and which level you want to reach

in speaking this language.

so if you want to reach an acceptable level just to communicate then it is very easy but whatever you tried you will still have problems in grammars since it is very difficult.

But if you want to reach experts level, then you really need to spend years in learning it.

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Now i want to tell you that one of the privileges of arabic that it is very very very Rich language and you may find one thing has many names.

this richness give it flexibility and power at the same time.

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Pronunciation:

i think you ll face difficulties in pronouncing some letters based on what nationality you have.

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if you are european you will find letters like (K)af or (7)a2 difficult since you don't have them.

if you are turkish you will see that these letters easy for you.

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if you are indian or philipino also you will face problems in Ra2 to be pronounced from the edge of the tongue not the bottom of the tongue like what indians do.

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last we don't have "P" :just for the info :P

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you are welcome and i hope my answer was sufficient.

All Arabs read the Quran FLUENTLY...and newspapers!

The truth is not all Arabs can speak classic Arabic fluently . Each arab country has it's own dialect which is a simplified Arabic influenced by other languages. most Arabic language speakers finds speaking classic Arabic a challenge . Among all arabs, bedouins masters a relatively close version of classic Arabic as written in the Quran.

That's a cop out Jabba!!

The article is in English. You don't have to know Arabic to understand the article. BTW I don't remember ever claiming that the website was an affiliated to Oxford Univeristy or anything like that. You seem to be more keen on deligimizing the website rather than engaging with the content of the amazing article in it, which leads to the conclusion that you really do not want people to read the articles. Why is that? Do you not like Arabic? Why have you not learnt Arabic? Do you like Japanese? I like German!

About the article:

I cannot comment on its accuracy, as I don't speak or havent learned arabic.

The point was more that the website looked a lot less like an institute and a lot more like a blog, dressed up as an institute.

@Jabba what's your point? Did you read the article? What did you think of it? Or were you just looking for ways criticise the website. So what if the articles are written by the same person? The important thing is what is in the articles. Come to think of it, it one deepest set of articles I've come across in a long time. He seems to be a kind of a polymath with a razor sharp wit.

it is hard for Poor brains ;D

Do some brain exercise before learning the Most sweetest language on Earth.

That website...

every article is written by the same person.

It's not actually affiliated with Oxford University...

just FYI

@ gudone I like your "love it or leave it :)

nothing is impossible!!

if it were so hard on the brain, then how come the Arabs speak it so fluently :-p

The truth of the matter is,Arabic is actually very simple and easy to learn.It is the language of the Holy Qur'an as well,so it's best for muslims to learn arabic properly.