What if there's a war?
I read the news below in today's newspaper and was particularly attracted by this:
“They may be able start one but they cannot end it and it remains in Iran’s hands,” the general said. Read more:
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=509710...
Iám thinking of the consequences but i am hoping that there's no war ever anywhere.
Tigerboyy, mind your language, and do a little pondering.
What if there is a war and nobody attends it?
THAT is the only question that would get anybody anywhere.
The rest is just the usual babble.
Tigerboy--how examples of Iran's peaceful intentions?
U.S. Navy Announces Iran War Preparations
March 17, 2012 • 3:52AM
Without hardly batting an eyelash, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathon Greenert informed the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday about what the U.S. Navy is doing to prepare for war against Iran.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Ct.) nonchalantly asked Greenert what the Navy is asking for in the budget "that will specifically increase our capability to defend against any Iranian action" in the Persian Gulf. Greenert said, among other things, that the Navy is moving four minesweeping ships to the Gulf, in addition to the four that are already there, along with four more minesweeping helicopters. Greenert indicated that those minesweeping vessels would be working very closely with similar British minesweepers that are also already there.
A retired Naval officer who blogs under the nom de plume "Galrahn," had this to say on that same day on his blog "Information Dissemination" about Admiral Greenert's revelation: "In other words, the Chief of Naval Operations announced to the Senate Armed Services Committee this morning specific details about preparations for war with Iran, and in response the Senators drooled on themselves in silent capitulation. The only thing missing from that scene from this mornings Twilight Zone moment in the Senate was the CNO knocking on the microphone asking 'is this thing on' for dramatic effect."
http://larouchepac.com/node/22040
Iran is acting like Lawrence of Arabia back in 1920's,
Iran will just talk sh!t, shout, give threats, and in the end will just go and sit on the lap of United States, their role in region is like that Rascal, who give threat to everyone, and having another brother or friends, who come to the same people and collect protection money promising to protect from that rascal!
US/Iran/Israel are doing the same with Arabs, Iran is threatening them and they are paying to States,
Hearing about US/Iran war for more then a decade, but never happened..
BTW Iran can never beat States, they don't have that much capability! their situation won't be different from Iraq & Afghanistan!
Tigerboyy--if you are really this concerned, you should move out the the war zone.
Xena--exactly. People only swat flies when they bite.
should just stop P * S S I N G the US off... then maybe there won't be any wars...
Ever think about that?
US has been on war all these years and it's good for the US Citizens.
Nobody wants Wars, anyone who does should get himself checked..lolz But it will happen sooner or later, such is our species
"flavors" to make it more acceptable. Why do you think they hire think tank for such promotions.
Iraq and Libya are the best examples.
Actually, the oil price will go up if there is a conflict with Iran.. Saudis will be happy..
I think this is more personal though ... Remember the Iran hostages years ago ...
O I L . Nothing more, nothing less!
N Korea is the biggest threat . US. is just obessed phrase with Iran because they have oil.
Anyone who thinks Iran would even be a contender in a conflict with the US is an idiot. The US would not invade but use airstrikes to destroy Iranian military infrastructure. The US would have air superiority the moment its jets take off and would eliminate Iran's traditional fighting capacity in under two weeks, and that is a stretch. The US would have no reason to put ground forces in Iran.
If Iran hit tankers, world opinion would go decisively against it. The US would then be able to build a coalition against Iran in the region, including KSA and other Gulf countries--who fear Iran much more than the US does (remember all the leaked cables from KSA and the Emirates urging the US to bomb Iran?).
Iran's best best is not to retaliate with force against the tankers but appeal to world opinion and play the sympathy card--something that would go a long way imo.
Let's not hit the panic button so soon..
moza
There are things Fabricated ،،
If it was really welcome ..Why we hear news about the killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq?!
they Think the ppl will receiv them with flowers in Iraq
But they met them by death !!
my friend from Libya, she says there were hidden hands in the subject This is something tangible on the ground there
Bosnia,what America did is play an international After killing thousands of Muslims and exterminated by serbian ! After that they want help?!
Rather than for humanitarian
Only to their advantage,,,
against Russia
against large Muslim state concentration of the Mujahideen.،،the same think in Afghanistan
Against the dominance of any country like Russia .. Japan, etc.
Just want the dominate for U.S.
America Was called the fighters in Afghanistan against Russia the Mujahideen
Now same the Mujahideen but they called terrorists !!
Why ?
The oppressed Palestinians in their country of almost 63 years old!
Why not help them?
;) LOL
LOL Mr. Moza!
so syria is the next destination moza
The war going on in Syria is a civil war. Syrians are killing each other. This is different to the situation in Iran.
so which is the next spot of invasion ??
One problem with your argument CS, the Americans and their allies are leaving Afghanistan as they did Iraq.
If theres a War, i have to fight for my life & if you are not able to fight. I should say"Go Back Where You Came From"...Irans is like a Dog when his Master beside him he used to bark but he can never attack.
Well said.. As centuries before - "Might is Right"
Moza: They owned it till 1903. I don't even know what relevance China has to do with this.
You could argue all you want aganist the claim of the Persians over the three Islands buttom line is they got all the proofs while the other party got nothing.
claim OBL is in afghanistan and take it over by force - well said LP
No "claim" is valid. All territories have been taken by force!!! If someone comes with more force, he will "claim".
See that is the problem MN, where do you draw the line? 50 years ago, 100 years, 200 or a 1000? (China's claims in the China sea date back in the 1000s...)
After how long does a claim become invalid?
Dareios and Xerxes, the prototypes of the oriental despot. Loved and cherished until today in this region. Not understandable though.
lol excuse him sometimes coz of his humour sense costs him much
WOW! that was childish of you to say QatarAwsome.
please no perosnal insults.
mozaismyhero said:
The Persians used to rule all of Arab lands should they be considered Iranian soveriegn territory?
_______________________________ When were perisans ruling over Arabia? A thousand yars ago? I'm talking about the continuity of Perisan precense and Perisan history in those Islands since ages and as late as 1930!
@britexpat
you're stupid, end of :) in a couple of years when we become a super power, i will personally invite you to kiss my foot. :D byeee
The Persians were defeated by Alexander the Great of Macedonia. What he could, the US can, too.
I think it is more to do with protecting its friends and keeping the armed forces and DOD ticking over.. :O)
Why is the U.S. really so concerned about Iran? Is it the supposed nuclear threat to the region or the threat to the U.S. Petrodollar?
In a previous life, I remember vividly being with King Xerxes on the planes of Thermopalea and those pesky Spartans ruined the day :O(
one who has no respect for himself cannot respect anything
I can't respect a country that is like saying I respect a tea pot, its just nonsense.
I am entitled to my own opinion and this thread was about a possible war between Iran and A N Other. Let's hope there is not one or it could be the end of the (Oppresive) Islamic Republic of Iran in its current state.
i said my country is like a mother (not my mother)
not my mother -.-
i did not insult my own mum.
you haven't had a revolution which caused thousands of deaths or had an 8 year war against the world subsiquently after the revolution, therefore to obtain a victory and being able to be so independent so far with all the sanctions i love my country and i would not exchange it for another.
stop being a smart dummy and respect other people's country's and personality.
is U.S eligible to be called as a mother ?
I did not call you inhumane I suggested your humanity is more important to you as a person rather than the country you are affiliated to.
If you consider your country to be a mother then that is an insult to your mother and what she has done for you.
the prophet once said "patriotism comes from faith in Allah" i am a proud muslim and i know allah very well, and who said im not humane? my country had one of the finest civilizations, my country is like a mother, would you let your mother be mocked? your country might be a piece of dirt or garbage, but my country's piece of dirt is valuable to me.
you have no right to call me inhumane as you do not know me.
So you consider your life defined by your country and not your humanity? I pity you and your affinity for a piece of dirt. Humans are more than the place they were born.
you guys can share your opinions i dont mind but dont compare my country to dogs, disrespect or mock us.
i love my country and i will not allow you to mock it as it represents me!
if you dont know what my people and country are capable of you should probably shut your mouth and stop disgusting who i am.
Yes the USA has blood on its hands and what country doesn't but Qatar2love you could counter.
1. Bosnia
2. Kosovo
3. Defeat of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan
4. Korea
5. Libya
All wars that were welcomed by the people either invaded or oppressed.
C_S
At first like to say I do not hate America as a land or a people..
But I hate the policy of the U.S. non-fair
Turning to you.. C-S
You can not count :)
1-Began killing American Indian tribes
2-Transfer of Negroes from Africa and buried in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean!
3- The atomic bomb on Hiroshima
4- Vietnam ..
5-Afghanistan,
6-Iraq, assassinations, etc.
***** You can not count BUT.. you can ask who is the terrorist after all these crimes?
Answer will be clear :)
the best way is to Pray , obey him
Maybe the way to solve all of humanities problems is one mass suicide and then God can sort out the good from the bad.
It would be good for the planet too as they flora and fauna can reclaim it from the destruction of the last 500 years.
your subject has the future story written in it - The Arrival
Hahah
Hezbollah and Iran will not do anything to Zionist Jews Or America .. The event is just a representative ....they are friends:) even if their not love for each other
their Target is one .. This is what is important for them:)
Jews Zionists in occupied Palestine,,,they are not afraid of Hezbollah nor Iran
Are neighbors for decades :)
All out is that they are preparing people for the big war, and portray the revolutions carried out by Islamic countries it will be damage the security of the Zionists jew in occupied Palestine,,,
so maybe Jews will viewing "showing us the big preemptive war where the power &control :)
But Iran will not be the Target for them
Sunni Muslims are the target ... as is the case in Syria now ..And Shiites support them as is always the case in Iraq And also the case in Afghanistan!
***by the way
I heard that the U.S. wants military intervention in Syria soon ..Of course not for love:)
BUT Fear of the arrival of the Mujahideen To reach it before them there !!!!
***Of course, what I wrote is subject to wrong or right
I do not know the unseen :) BUT it is was an opinion based on reality
*****Allah Almighty know
The Persians used to rule all of Arab lands should they be considered Iranian soveriegn territory?
As for QR084 do you think the massacre in Houla was a proportional defence of its territory by the Syrian govt? (Or do you believe it was a western plot to discredit Bashar?)
There are many wars happening right now in the middle East. Who do you think is funding the Free Syrian Army? Any state has the right to defend their territory and citizens from attack by another country. Any attack against Iran would be met with serious consequences. Let us hope that no one is foolish enough to attack Iran.
Moza: They didn’t occupy it they just restored their sovereignty over it.
The Persian’s sovereignty over Greater Tunb, Lesser Tunb and Abu Musa islands is a known fact to history before they were occupied by the British forces in 1903
islands and looting and invading big countries is the same
In fact, now that I remember Iran did occupy those three Islands off the UAE so technically they did invade someone in the last 100 years....
also count number of ppl killed by the US
Very true Britexpat.
Well MN, it depends on your time period! Choose 5000 years and the Persians invaded nearly everyone!!
As for who is a threat to who. Ask that to the Qatar, the UAE and Saudi governments who they consider the biggest threat and they will not answer USA....
Number of countries Iran has invaded in the last 100 years.....Zero
Number of countries the US has invaded in the last XX years....More than a dozen!
Who is a threat to whom again?
Such is the way of politics - yet dictators never learn. Once your usefullness is over, you're a despot. Remember Noriega ?
I believe in Libya it was Qatar that was selling the oil for them in Iraq there are two state companies, North and South that coordinate the sale of Iraqi crude.
Bush and Blair did shake hands with both dictators but that doesn't mean the people in those countries were sad to see them go!
they not only take oil they stole our poor Mahatama Gandhi's spects and auctioned them at the time of crisis
Mahatma Gandhi's glasses, letters to be auctioned in UK
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-04-02/news/31275191_1_mahatma-gandhi-soil-richard-westwood-brookes
Wowwwwwwwwwww.....and I have seen Bush and Blair shaking hands with both of them in several conferences and seminars and when they took the internal reports that they cant protest powerfully their lives were taken and oil is occupied by US...so now can somebody tell me that where is all oil is going now and who is the selling authority for the Iraw and Libya's oil... ?
Bush is very good rest all r evil
and nothing comes-out good out of it. More sufferings for the ordinary people. The new leaders are the only one benefiting from it.
Sincerelyurs are you seriously saying that Saddam and Ghadafi were good things for their countries? If you remember after Saddam was defeated Iraqis came onto the streets to celebrate the evil dictator gone and for Ghadafi his own people brought him down and killed him.
As for Iran the religious dictators will not start a war then cannot win. If they do they know that is the end of them as the Iranian people will rise up and hang them for the years of oppression they have suffered.
How can there be heavy casualties on both sides ? The USA, as it did in the Balkans and lately in Libya will use long range misiles and aircraft to destroy and disable the Iranian defences and attack capabilities.
Yes Iran has speed boats and light ships, but they are no match for an Aircraft Carrier with its support group comprising submarines, frigates , destroyers and minehunters. The USA will not risk any soldiers on the ground because the public will not accept it.
Sorry, but Iran has no chance...
WILL BE THAT THING YOU HEAR.....
Moza - Iran is no different.
Iran already displayed the power of nukes to the world...I wish that Saddam Hussain and Col.Gaddafi could have done that and they must be alive today...But Iranians are smart enough to show the world that they are not Afganistan Iraq or Libiya.So now US is back on his foot and before stepping out again they will think twice that to quench their oil thirst next step is going be disaster for their own country.US is already facing a huge financial crisis so better they think about themselves before attacking somebody for no reasons.Please I m sorry if I offended anybody.But isn't a commoner is suffering in US as well as other coutnries just for the hell of these useless wars in between?
and if you remember iraq and iran are quite different
Bluebull, 2 months to take out the Iranian military, what then happens is something else. If you remember Iraq, it was only 2 months to roll over the army and it was quiet for 3 or 4 months afterwards before the insurgency and bombings started. Now that is a whole different type of war.
is and will be a great problem to many, if ever.
a huge loss of innocent lives again
2 Months would be too short a time IMO. It will be a prolonged affair with heavy casualities on both sides. Iám basing this assumption on the Afghan and Iraqi experience.
The Iranians also have a lot of speedboats so would probably try to attack tankers and offshore platforms and that would be difficult to stop.
However as Britexpat says its all bluff at the moment. If there was a real war the Iranians wouldn't win it. The US military machine would destroy Iranian capability in about 2 months with the whole of the GCC cheering them and providing money. The big hope would be then the Iranian people would rise up and throw those religious dictators out and grab back their country.
Britex, never understimate a Chihuahua. :p
CL - What is your meaning?
when the time comes chihuahua will happen , and the westerners will be the first to lift their lungi n run
lots of disinformation. USA and Israel against Iran is like a Pitt Bull against a Chihuahua.
Iran is making a lot of noise, but when the time comes ....
mozaismyhero said, "It does cause a problem for the people of Qatar..."
Sure it does. You are separated by just a little body of water from Iran. Whoever's working over there better be asking for adequate hardship allowance from their companies in the imminent possibility of getting blown up to kingdom come.
Moza - You hit the nail on it's head. Thats what is causing me to worry.
It does cause a problem for the people of Qatar. If there is a war Iran will probably try and hit some of the US installations in the Gulf and Qatar has a big US base..... knowing the standard of Iran's missle program, (crap) they are likely to miss and hit Doha.
Scud missles hit Qatar during the first Gulf War which were aimed at Saudi, so it could happen again.
There are always wars and rumours of wars, as said. These should take place at the end. Nothing to worry if we are in the right relationship.
war is still on in Afghanistan and we know what happened there
just as long as they do a good job if they decide to nuke us.... make sure they annihilate us.... I don't want my animals or the animals at QAWS dying of hunger and thirst if we ain't around to feed them:-(