15 years in Prison?
Hi Everyone,
Not sure if everyone here has been following this horrible case going on in Austria, about that father that locked up his daughter for 24 years and fathered 7 children off of her.(ick ick ick)
Well here's a link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7374965.stm
Anyway, today in the paper it was reported that if convicted he will get 15 years in prison. 15 years for locking up his daughter and 3 other children/grandchildren for 24 years, 15 years for raping his daughter since she was 11 and forcing her to give birth alone and in a dark celler 7 times!
I want to make one thing clear, I am not a believer in the death penalty, however I do believe in justice, and this is not justice. This man has killed his daughter, whether she still lives and breathes or not, her life, and the life of 3 of his other children/grandchildren is over. He should be locked up and the key thrown away. There should be no chance that he ever set foot outside of a prison again.
I think this kind of light sentencing highlights how rape, molestation, etc are STILL not considered real crimes. People who rob houses get longer in prison then this man.
What do you think?
Atrocious. Barbaric.... such words may not even be adequate to describe this man's despicable crimes. He must be given consecutive sentence (as opposed to concurrent sentence) for each crime the prosecution establishes against this monster. My heart goes out to his daughter and her children.
LOL come on Shreeya, you can't have celebreties and millionaires going to prison with murderers and child molesters!
...Hmmm well actually now that Might actually be a deterent to commiting tax fraud!
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Is that so?..means they can continue their tax-free luxury life as usual?
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That kind of prison is for people who commit tax fraud.
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And guess if the guy has to spend his term in this type of prison......
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with all my respect ... do u think that this is a funny topic to just come n post bullshirt ;) stuff n trying to make fun thinking that u r having a sense of humor .. I wish to read any usefull post of urs ..
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An eye for an eye is from Hamurabi's code, written well over 5000 years ago, surely we've evolved since then.
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But didn't Ghandi say "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind" ?
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has anyone seen the video of him enjoying himself in Thailand? Yuk! He's repulsive and he has evil eyes!
has anyone seen the video of him enjoying himself in Thailand? Yuk! He's repulsive and he has evil eyes!
I just read this story. It is sick, the man is sick & I feel sick.
How can this happen? What is happening to us?
Punish the guy. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, is that not what the saying says???
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I would like to salut u on this topic .. actually it's tearing up my heart when i read it .. and i can't even imagine that a man (which i don't like to call him as humanbeing) can do this thing for even a once .. and he did that for her for all this years ..
a lot of questions is roaming in my head ...
Is he having any heart inside of him?
havn't he seen his daughter suffering?
for 24 years he didn't feel regret for even one time?
I will not ask if he is SICK cuz he really is .. but haven't any body noticed any strange or weired attitude from this guy?
I mean his wife at least ..
I'm really confused ... between saying that this guy has to be tortured or killed AND/OR to be prisoned in Psychiatric clinic ...
will any of them work with him .. wut done is done?? the life of his daughter and her childs/grandchilds are over .. he destroyed them without having any mercy ..
I couldn't believe that the humanbeings became more brutal than animals ..
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This is just too shocking and sad to read. I just can't imagine what that twisted man was thinking. I'm also against death penality, one because it would make us just as bad as he is, and second because I consider death the easy way out; this man should suffer just like he made his daughter and her children suffer for so many years.
I find his sentence completely absurd, hell she was locked up for more than 15 years and she didn't do anything wrong!!! He should undoubtly be locked up for life, I find his crime worse than killing someone because death is a blessing compared to having to live such a miserable life that he put them through.
On a side note, I was watching Oprah last night (one of the rare occassions that I do watch it) cause it was on an interesting topic about husbands raping their wives. Alot of people think that a husband can't rape his wife because they're married, he loves her, etc ; however, in all 50 states if anyone forces u into sex (hubby, bf, etc) it's considered as rape. Wake up women!
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Ok God. What a sin. I read in another paper that the government plans to move the children to another country in the hopes that they will eventually be able to live a normal life. I can't believe that paper published a picture of the 14 year old though, that will make it harder for her to live annonymously some day.
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The reason the three children who were taken away from their Mother raised by him and their Grandmother did not say anything is bacause they were infants. Another horrendous thought is that the Mother having carried the children and given birth was then made to give up her babies.
I have cried tears over this. The capability if a human being to be so perverted and evil is so far beyond my imagination.
I am against the death penalty for various reasons, but as a Mother with a daughter, if anyone even attempted to do to my daughter a fraction of what this evil person did to his, I would hunt them down to the end of the earth and beyond and tear them apart piece by piece until they were no more.
Apparently the Mother and children are suffering all sorts of mental, emotional and physical challenges...see this link:
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/43025/Dungeon-family-talk-in-grunts-and-growls
Fifteen years? Is that a joke?
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opps...but the maximum penalty is not justifiable...my heart goes to the woman and her children may they be granted the strenght to recover and move on with their lives. where are they now? any support group helping them?
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lovinni, he hasn't been tried yet, 15 years is the maximum he can receive.
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so disappointed with the verdict! it should be death penalty! and such a quick trial? well i doubt if there are witnesses at all. whats wrong with Austria? do they have any protection against women and children?
i hope this man gets a mental torture...he will have flashbacks of what he done and it will make him so sorry everyday of his life...but does he have any conscience at all?
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On this one. The only thing the death penelty acheives in cases like this is that the punishment is over quickly for the perpertrator yet the victim has to live with what was done to them for the rest of their lives.
Well if you actually look at countries with death penalites crimes like these are still committed. The fact of the matter is if a person wants to kill someone or wants to do something like this, nothing will deter them. The death penalty was in place in every country in the world for well over a 1000 years and horrendous crimes still occured.
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Don't forget even in jails the inmates are watching TV and they will sort him out to make sure his life is not worth living, funily enough many inmates have no understanding for pedophiles and sex offenders.
I am sure they will not bring back the death penalty though, however, I think just this kind of thing is needed to scare people from committing such offences.
Oh I know he won't live to get out in 15 years. My outrage is that this is the maximum sentence for such a horredous crime. It's a slap in the face to the victims. What if he wasn't 73, what if he was 50?
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He is already 73 for goodness sake, he will not survive in prison long, I don't believe they will be so lenient with him though. If and when he goes to jail his fellow prisoners are sure to be helpful is satisfying his needs.
Ya I have to question that too Canarybird. I mean if it were me, I would wonder why my daughter seemed to have contact with my husband (enough to leave the kids with him) but not me. But who knows, she could be a victim of abuse as well.
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15 years is not enough, he should be given life and after life, because he eats his own flesh and blood. And made 3 other lives and killed them by locking them up, that is the true meaning of what he did. OMG!
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reserved for "Rock Spiders" its called prison. Despite what the correctional facility says he will come into contact with the general population in prison. Then I hope that they still dish out the punishment that they used to these cretons.
I watched the news last night on ZDF the investigations are ongoing, seemingly the police are interviewing over 100 tennats and previous tennants for information.
They also showed videos of him on Holiday in Thailand getting a massage on the beach.
What I don't understand is did he have an accomplice?? How could he go on vacation and leave them in the cellar during that time unattended.
When he brought the first three kids from the cellar to his wife, why didn't they say anything - the whole story is very wierd.
By the way there was a case similar to this a few years ago and after endless year in captivity she managed to escape I think it was 11 years.
These are very queer people what goes on in their minds.
Killing someone makes us killers in turn, no matter what they did.
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What use is this man to society? How will he ever be "rehabilitated"? It costs governments (i.e. taxpayers) millions of dollars, pounds, or whatever currency you care to mention, to keep people such as this filth locked up in prison.
While incarcerated, many liberal minded governments make sure that the sick bast*rd has 3 healthy meals a day, access to television and they will even, if he is of a mind to, allow him to study for a degree. If he is not happy, he can complain to the prision authorities and even take his case to the European Court of Human Rights.
15 years for what he did? What a sad reflection on western lawmakers and politicians; so concerned with political correctness that they will do nothing more than wring their hands and tell the victims that there is nothing further they can do.
Is this a right wing view? Yes, it is, and I see no shame in it. Murderers, rapists, terrorists - all should be despatched as swiftly as possible. We will execute a dog that bites, even though that dog has probably done nothing more than follow it's instinct to protect either it's territory or family. Yet we balk at doling out the same treatment to a human who, unlike the dog, actually has the capacity to realise that his actions have consequences.
I think KARMA should speak to him. Thrown him in dark room just like the celar he kept the doughter and childrens and lock him till he die.
Everybody is right everybody is wrong it depends where you stand.
Torturing the man is not an answer, he might be an animal, but we aren't. Killing him is not the answer either, nobody has the right to take a life no matter what the reason. Locking him up for a hell of a lot longer then 15 years is the only answer.
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I comepletely agree with you Gypsy, this guy shouldn't be out of prison again.
Is there anything we can do as a QL'ers to raise this issue internaionally, I know we're in thousands, suggestions???
yes, this is the solution of some crazy ugly crimes like this.
Gypsy, such a crime can change your mind about the death penalty. it's some times the cure since some criminals will not respond to any rehabilitation programs. it's in their genes
Iphone999, the idea of this penalty is not only the criminal. yes he'll die and that's all. but it will be a good lesson for all the society. I can't believe if some one steal and lost his hand will repeat it and neither the viewers. right?
I think he is an animal in disguise of a human.
i cannot agree with death penalty cos the guy wont experiance anything after his deathmy personal openion is as we do in Saudi...cut his first Hand...after 3month second hand after 3months right leg and after 3 left leg...and once he lost all the hands and legs put him in Dark room till the end of his life...
by removing each and every part of his body one by one his life will be so much misrable and painfull he will realise and regret through out his life atleast till his death
Oh right dweller! Wow.. but how did he get all the food to her?
Gypsy, if true, that is a very good reason why I believe in capital punishment for rapists and child molestors. Although I know you are completely against this!
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death penalty too good, put him in the same prison as all the others and I'm sure he'll be taken care of...I meant not segregated with the other sex offenders!
I agree with you guys not enough i dont know anything about the law there but let's do the math he locked up her for 24 years so we have atleast have the same punishment. 2nd 7 kids that mean 7 more years.
then if it's up to me i'll choose the death penalty for sure or atleast if some one did that he shouldn't be in the street neve ever.
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Ah, but guys like him are usually put in solitary or extra protective custody to make sure no one kills him.
Even bloody worse is if you look at the bios of most serial killers and violent criminals, they came from abusive, messed up backgrounds like this, yet once again, the lowest sentences!
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i am just saying, that it's good that he is not young and therefore will never have chance to step out of jail...plus the guys in jail will make sure he won't...
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Exactly the point I'm trying to get to PH. Rapist's, child molesters, and sexual abusers have been found to be virtually impossible to rehabilitate. Once a rapist always a rapist. YET these crimes, and other crimes of domestic violence have the lowest sentences. Why?
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In my experience, I have seen alot of criminals come out of jail and do exactly the same thing. Whether that is do to lack of effective rehabilitation programs or their own sick and twisted minds.
Such heinous crimes need serious lifelong lock down at the very least!
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The fact that he'll be dead isn't the point Qatarisun, it's just a lucky coincidence. The fact is that 15 years is the MAXIMUM sentence! so if he was 50 or 40 he would be set free one day.
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I understand that the husband produced a letter in the daughters handwriting saying that she had run away and not to bother looking for her.
Sicko, he should be locked up forever.
i personally think he should be in one cage with hungry lion or tiger.
my heart bleeds for this woman and every child who is physically, sexually and emotionally abused. The people who do this are a disgrace to humanity.....
only 15 years??? no way he should be stoned to death or worse let the tiger eat him or something. not fair after all he done to his daughter and all his childrens with her.
Oh Gosh I heard that on the news yesterday and have been horrified. How in the world could his wife not know what was going on in her own house. Did she not wonder where her daughter disappeared too? And how did he sneak food to her on a daily basis?
And now your telling us that the bastard is only recieving 15 years for ruining his daughters life! He will not have changed in 15 years with such a sick mind. And people are talking about releasing him back on the street to potentially harm other victims. How many other girls has he done this too other then his daughter?
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he is ubnormal!!!!
If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?
how old he will be in 15 years?
and the guys in the prison will take a good care of him, and make sure he will never ever set foot outside of a prison again... even criminals don't like rapists and treat them badly in jails...
let's pray this "father" will get in jail a least a part of this insult and suffering which his own daughter went through...
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this guy shld be treated the same way he treated her..
he shld be locked up alone in a dark confined cell, and a shld be forced atleast 3-4 times a day...
lock him up and dnt give ne food or water till he dies...
He either should get MULTIPLE LIFE sentence (1 for every life he destroyed) or THE DEATH PENALTY...uugghh
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It makes me angry to. I mean I don't care how old this guy is, 15 years is a joke.
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thumbs up for your opinion Gypsy
Its a slap to the face of every person who believes in justice when such a perpetrator of henious crimes receives a light sentence.....i'm not going to elaborate too much on that....too angry at the moment, and might say something I regret...but yes good thing they caught him, and he definetly should have gotten more....but lets hear what others have to say!
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