NOC another form of modern slavery?
The much debated topic among foreign workers but the most "effective" ways among the locals to "hire" and "keep" their employees at their mercy. Is this a breach of human rights? Should this NOC be abolished? Why do you think the NOC are still in practice? Is it because you get cheap labours from the east with minimum wage providing them bare pathetic accomodations at the labour camps therefore needed to bind them to the company hence the NOC is very crucial to protect your own selfish gains? Either ways those working here as a professional or not are succumb to these NOC laws but if you are earning QR50k per month plus QR25k housing allowance per month, additional QR40k each per child education each year and QR50000 per month for car allowance now would you feel the NOC is a breach of human rights, no of course mot because you are living in luxury...better lives can you could have ever imagine having back home in Europe? right? But lets be humane and unselfish for a moment here....so many of our fellow friends who are here in this country trying to earn a decent living so that they can put a roof on their heads, send their kids to government schools back home are treated so badly by their sponsors...some of these employees cant even read or write...so how can they defend themselves..they wre promised for a better lives...for a better salary...but does this desperation they faced justify the agents, govenments, companies and sponsors to exploit them?????
so you're one of the lucky ones. how about those who are working under miserable conditions. all we want from the government is "WE ARE FREE TO FIND ANY JOB OR EMPLOYER AFTER OUR CONTRACT WITHOUT ANY OBJECTION FROM OUR PREVIOUS EMPLOYERS." THAT'S ALL WE NEEED... AND I CAN SAY MORE TO POWER AND PROSPERITY TO QATAR AND ALL ITS CITIZEN.
your absolute right, many are victims of this NOC, including myself. there are lots of good offers outside my company but to no avail becoz of this NOC. my company is one of the biggest in wholesate/retail business but they they are not even providing airfares even after 2 years of contract. i can say that those who are working in BAKALAS are more luckier than me who deny such privileges according to QATAR LABOUR LAW.
'slavery' might be too strong a word to use but this whole NOC business is certainly binding on the employee & the employer/sponsor has that employee under their control using this document as the means to control...
@ Khawaga,so you accept the job,quit your old one back home or wherever,sell your stuff,up & move here only to realize that you've been lied to(this is especially applicable for the labour class who give up a lot more.),then what? so you quit but you have to leave the country & go back home,to what?...no job,no house,no money...what next?...
So it's not just black & white like that,there's a lot more to it... also,this practice of NOC doesn't exist anywhere in the REAL world...so like i said,slavery may be too strong a word but this practice is on those lines...
Yes, this NOC system must be removed.
Qatar govt. will take serious steps in this matter, very soon.
If any employee doing wrong or any other misbehavior in his duties, the employer can take severe action against the employees, as per the contract. But in my experience
lot of employers are not made contract with their employees.
Many employers do the right thing by not being unfair towards the employees.I believe if all employers seek their conscience,no law will be required
reserves the rights of both parties is just the only way to go....i agree with KHATTAK
if one can choose to say goodbye and leave..its not slavery. all the things that you miss by not being able to switch are your (forced) opportunity costs. As a lover of free markets, I hate such measures but a truly free labour market does not exist anywhere in the world.
It is called "Modern Slavery" by the UN. And securing the money the employer spent, is mere nonsense. The employee can pay it back. But not allowing him to take up another job is against the Human Rights. But who said that Qatar observes the Human Rights?
so what about "EXIT PERMIT" ?
naforever: My point is that as long as you have a choice to accept the job or not, to continue working there or not, you are not a slave no matter your wage.
Incorrect. Slaves did not get paid and were not free to leave.
I don't think that applies to anyone here.
Well, in my case, there was the training prior to arriving, during which I was put up in a hotel and given a rental car. Then there was the visa, medical clearance, dental clearance, equipment, flight to Doha, accommodation, medical insurance, life insurance, meals, other work-related transportation... yes. It adds up. Certainly more than QR1785 as cited above.
naforever. The same goes for those earning more money. They can't switch jobs without NOC either.It makes no difference how much one earns, the situation is still the same. And what makes you think those earning more do not want to change jobs? Of course many do, for various reasons.
Well, in my case, there was the training prior to arriving, during which I was put up in a hotel and given a rental car. Then there was the visa, medical clearance, dental clearance, equipment, flight to Doha, accommodation, medical insurance, life insurance, meals, other work-related transportation... yes. It adds up. Certainly more than QR1785 as cited above.
We are aslaves her in qatar , human right only for qatari nationality !!!!!!!!!!!!
paddybhoy & khawanga you've totally missed the point! as mentioned if you are earning good why bother? the NOC wont affect you in any way...the issue is when the foreign labours come here with mere wage (but able to suppport their family back home to provide basic shelter, meals, education) and after 2 years here perhaps they have acquire a skill which is useful to another company and they are able to earn a better living with another copmanybut the NOC restrict this...that is the point! Its a pity people like you guys live in your own bubble.
are quotes from some of my dear friends who also happen to be the employers :)
are quotes from some of my dear friends who also happen to be the employers :)
U R SEEING THE LIGHT ONLY....
TRY TO SEE THE DARKNESS .......
it going nothing to change. we can just stop this meaningless topic.
Fried...The cost for bringing a labor directly is:
Visa Application Fee QR 300
Medical QR 100
Blood Group QR 25
Labor Office (Contract) QR 100
Labor Office Attestation QR 60
Resident Permit QR 1000
ID Card QR 100
Health Card (Funny?) QR 100
Total Amount QR 1785/-
Now that isn't much...or is it? There may be introduced a law favoring both the parties instead. Like, the employee is bound to work for the 1st employer for atleast two years and after that, he may be allowed to switch job.
PaddyBhoy: thank you. My thoughts exactly!
If you choose to call your job slavery, that's your problem but for me, I think I'm happy with what I earn for doing what I do and love to do. I may not earn a huge salary,but I'm working here as a professional. I can quit the job anytime i like in accordance with the terms and conditions of the contract.
Now, how do you define slavery?
hallo... gtim.
if the co. spending a lot of money to bring an employee here, let them keep him for a period like three or five years,,,let them free after that if they need
as they call managers,assistantsexecutives,labourers to pay their sponsers if at all they spend to get them
..a modern slavery. taking into consideration of what FU's has stated that the employers has to spent a lot of money for the workers to come here. it's the security of the employers to get hold of the workers.
FU: You used several quotes in this last post. Is there a source to cite or are you just being sarcastic?
NOC is an instrument to protect the local employers from losses and it has worked well 'in their favour' so far. It was the cost,in terms of freedom mortgage, that workers had to pay while accepting to work here.
Employers have to spend 'a lot of money' in getting people to work at Qatar and they do not want these workers to 'run away',causing them 'huge losses'.
Ugh...here we go again. If you want to have a full debate, you will have to define your terms. A "slave" is not the same as a person earning 50,000 per month. Additionally, a slave does not have the option of quitting and going home. We (expats) do. That's not to say that I support the NOC policy, although being sponsorless, this does not effect me in any way. But calling a good job slavery is gross exaggeration.
NOC is a form of modern slavery? very much Agree ......
but that has nothing to do with the salary and allowances. NOC rules are same for all. Even the one earning 100000QR per month cannot demand NOC. Everyone here at mercy of employer for it.
Each & Every expatriate is a victim of this policy...be it western or eastern.