The US Secretary of State also said President Assad "deserves credit" for his part in "swiftly moving" to eliminate his regime's chemical arms.
"I think it's extremely significant that yesterday, Sunday, within a week of the resolution being passed, some chemical weapons were being destroyed," said Kerry.
"I think it's a credit to the Assad regime, frankly. It's a good beginning and we welcome a good beginning," he added.
Tony "It's the results that count. I'm not particularly concerned if we do it elegantly or inelegantly. We have got to be prepared to enforce the will of the international community."
I was wondering, who is this international community..
Personally dont believe a single thing that the American 'Head Shed' tells us. What happened to Iraqs WMD? What happened to all Saddams gold? Was it distributed amongst the poor Iraqis? Was it hell. The US Federal Reserve have it.
So many false flag operations by the US over the years and it makes me laugh when all these sheep jump up and down and pee their pants when they see very biased new reports on Sky News or FOX or whatever channel they watch. Ask yourself who owns these news channels?
Yeah, security threats, fighting terrorism etc are the words they use to keep the innocents quiet... if you are not with them you are a threat to the whole nation. Morality preachers don't get offended helping & encouraging them though..
Meanwhile, whilst the focus is on Syria, In Egypt Pharoah SiSi and his henchmen are ruthlessly going about their work of abusing innocents. Funny that Egyptians are very quiet about this :O(
Russia is pushing the opposition to come to negotiation table, lets hope it will go better. Syria is already collapsed except the fact that the moral police did not yet get much benefits.
It is a very tricky game...I want to be optimistic but the history is making me think that after hand over of chemical weapons, they would find some other reason to carry out their moral values. :(
The interesting thing will be the wording of the UN resolution.
Obummer, Camoron and the Frenchies are trying to ensure that the wording gives them an option of using military force if required. This has shades of Iraq and Libya and is very worrying.
Obama is in his last term and I foresee him leaving us with something to remember him by. Pity he didn't succeed on the promises of Middle East peace between Israel and the Palestinians :O(
First time I can say, Obama did a good job by accepting Putin's proposal. This war would have done nothing accept aggravating bitterness between Muslims and non Muslims.
i think that the west countries they don't care about the life of the syrian children , The only thing that they care about is what is good for them, so when you saw the word terrorist think wisely before saying it.
"When I hear Obama or Kerry rage with indignation, I can’t help feeling that it sounds hollow. Americans started a war in Iraq that killed tens of thousands of Iraqis. We tortured people. And now we launch drones around the globe — weapons that give, to a very small number of people, the power of judge, jury and hangman all at once.These acts have eroded our authority to pronounce on moral issues in foreign affairs."
I dunno which the so-called "international community" is Catherine Ashton, John Kerry, Obama are talking about. The most populous country like India, China, Indonesia, Russia and many other countries in the G20 summit unequivocally said NO to the military intervention.
US Foreign Relations Committee passes resolution authorising use of military force by 10-7 votes. It would allow Obama to order a limited military mission against Syria, as long as it does not exceed 90 days and involves no US troops on the ground for combat operations.
2. "Syria's population is approximately 90% Muslim and 10% Christian. Among Muslims, 74% are Sunni; the rest are divided among other Muslim sects, mainly Alawites (accounting for 10% of the total population) and Druze (6%), but also a small number of non-Druze Ismailites and Shiite, which has increased dramatically due to the influx of Iraqi refugees since 2005"
SA, Syria is not a muslim country, in fact no country is. Every country is made up of people of different cultures and different beliefs. A more correct response would be we hope there is peace in Syria soon.
Yeah sun that is great. Qatar and Saudi funding and giving weapons to Islamic extremists... that worked out well for Libya and Egypt.
Would you really want someone like Saudi to help you in your battle for freedom that suppresses individual freedoms and human rights? You must be crazy.
First Israel has said that it is unaware of any missile launch in the region but its a turnaround, Israel now says it has carried out joint missile test with US in the Mediterranean Sea. Additional reports add that it tested an "anchor" target missile used in anti-missile systems - Reuters reports.
Yes there are options available. If Assad and FSA agrees on something those fake Islamists supported by CIA & Allies will not stay for long and it is a good option to catch all of them in Syria.
Nope not really. The real game starts now to help refugees to go back home and this is only possible by bringing both Assad and FSA to the negotiation table.
Arab League considers only the United Nations, "as the official representative of the international community" could "take action to stop those who committed this crime".
So the Arab League doesn't want unilateral action by anyone, and it will be very hard to get the UN consensus it says should be found. Another setback for the United States.
Well I think it is, it was not designated a free vote they were expected to follow the PM's wishes. How can he allow them to stay if they go against his decision making.
If the PM said it was a free vote and vote as per your conscience then that would be a different matter.
Hope the talks in Geneva would bring some good news to the world.
Problem with Syria still could be solved with dialogues and negotiations - bombing was never a solution and nobody has won by bombing - The real victory is the voice of your heart that you did it right.
Sources say that Obama will have difficulties getting the consent of the congress to start a war on Syria. Syria seems to have won this round , US is afraid of the Axis of the Resistance and does not seem ready to venture .
Personally I think the atomic bombs were justified. The whole of Japan was one huge war machine. The people of China, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and many islands in the pacific were not sorry to see the Japanese defeated.
Korea for instance was not just conquered by forced to become Japanese but inforcing the Japanese language and using their women as sex slaves.
If you look at the horrific battles the Brits and Americans fought against the Japanese taking the mainland would have been a disaster in lost lives on both sides.
I hope and 90% sure that there wont be any intervention ( though they will be international support to rebels) but if there is intervention, it will not end with Syria and US, it will affect many others as it seems like Soviet has made its mind not to allow US to take over Syria at any cost.
I agree with you. However, if someone is to act as the "world's policeman" , then the actions should be the same for all. This is not clearly the case, so it's best to stay out.
By the way, Obama knows that the Republicans have numerous hawks, so congress will support him.
When bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has not yet been justified, why would they like to punish someone else where 300+ people killed and without any confirmation yet that the regime used it.
I know Japan did some horrible things to P.O.Ws and the people of china but the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with the war other than happen to live in the country.
The real reason is probably the inability to honour his dignity as he may be probably thinking that it is shameful to go back from his words of red line and bla bla bla.
UN Inspectors told that the gas was not Sarin but US is still insisting that they have evidence, damn Putin is right it is utter nonsense.
The reason Brit should be that the world community takes strong action against any government that uses chemical weapons or massacres it's own people. Now someone killed those 1400 people in one of the nastest ways possible and they should be held accountable in a perfect world. However the UN is ineffective and will always be if countries are driven by their own self interests.
Hey but who cares, the Burmese Muslims are being attacked and killed and that seems to have dropped off the radar. So who cares about a few Arabs blowing each other up, it's what they do best.
So, the public in the USA does not want intervention. Most in the region don't want intervention. YET, Obama sees it as his duty..... So what is the real reason ?
The public in the west are not interested in Syria, they are sick of people in the middle east killing each other and the countries around them doing nothing to help and in some cases deliberatly making the situation worse.
They've been killing each other for the last two thousand years over land disputes, religion, tribal disputes so let them get on with it. Maybe once everyone is dead the area will have peace.
Meanwhile in France , an opinion poll suggested that 64% opposed the use of force however Neither France nor the US needs parliamentary approval for military action.
"How many more wars will it take to awaken the conscience to finally save the humanity from total madness and destruction, instead of giving the world a chance that the forces of good prevail over the forces of evil?" ~ Flavio Codarin
Sulie It is very obvious that they are not behind innocents as 100,000 already died and that 100,000 has even those who were killed by rebels.
Kerry was talking about Moral Responsibility but as long as I know American Government dont deserve to talk about Preaching Morals to any other Government as they are already Warmongers
Sadly, the USA is already committed to using force. Obama's recent rhetoric coupled with the hawks in the Rspublican ranks means there is no turning back
PM Cameron: 'it is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly'.
Let there be justice for those people died children, women and men and punish all the people responsible for this chemical attack. I would prefer attacking them by US allies to feel and suffer this regime of what they deserve. Such a devastating genocide for humuanity.
God bless those innocent Syrian people.May they rest in Peace. God bless Syria.
The Orphan UNO! Yes an Orphan with its founders ,which was never considered before attacking Iraq 2003 and now they are united very passionately :) The Attack is on its way very soon , Russia is not going to do anything as it done back in 2003 , here Iran must have to act because no matter but Syria's Sovereignty is challenged while dirty political war is imposed on it.Its time to leash USA and its allies because they are united with some Arabs who have silently surrendered themselves against Arab Enemies and focused on their Authoritarian Powers , business and lust.This is it for what Syrian Episode was started for ,to remove the last brick from the wall of Resistors.
Box maybe you should go to Syria and tell them that, when I see them on TV blowing up some government troops they shout allah akbar. Seems a very religious thing to say...
Box maybe you should go to Syria and tell them that, when I see them on TV blowing up some government troops they shout allah akbar. Seems a very religious thing to say...
Are they sure, Limited Air Strikes will just end when they want to stop it? It is just going to escalate more and more.
Israel is playing a behind the scene role that he is not joining any party but would forcefully response to any attack on their territory. What do you think they have not yet financed those planned attack on themselves to enable them to react ???
It is surprise to see someone living in 21st Century still blaming religions and GOD. I think you have to read more about CIA, FBI strategies. It is all about political gain at the end.
Please keep your comments relevant to Syria. Believes we all have and we respect each other. Instead of saying someone else is wrong or to blame someone else, just you can say I dont accept it,as simple as that.
I think for Syria the real blame lies with God. God invested most of this time in the Middle East, starting three major religions and what has that left us with in the last 2000 years?
Non-stop wars, secterian and religious violence throughout the region. The other areas where he was not at work are mainly peaceful, a lesson for us all there.
Let Uncle Sam play it again, it is going to have a huge financial impact again as per some reports it is “revealed” that Iranian/International hackers will paralyze the banks as revenge for the attack on Syria.
SA I don't think rapists and murderers are a good comparison as I have not heard one say they committed their crimes due to a religious ideology. That is what links Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, MILF, Islamic Jihad in the Maghreb, etc, etc.... more than just a few individuals.
Anyway back to the topic.
Even Obama who pledged to get America out of these wars seems itching for a fight. I wonder what he has been smoking in the white house.
have been misleaded, can you google at more than one source and look at them?
Now if we assume that 10 or 20 misguided believers have hijacked the plane does this mean that all believers are bad?
Many people at their home can not make control of all their children, but some families try their best to seed the values of humanity and respect, and some families no.
Then how you expect a big country like Saudi to control all its people?
Als in USA you still see the drug dealers and rpist and murderers in different states through the local TV channels, does this mean all Amricans are bad.
Of course Thelonius! Why did the US not go after Saudi after most of the misguided believers on those hijacked planes come from Saudi? Or there most wanted terrorist Mr Bin Laden was a Saudi orginally?
I read in some other sources as well that it is a damn pipeline not chemical attacks.
"In 2003, just a month after the commencement of the Iraq War, US and Israeli government sources told The Guardian of plans to "build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel" bypassing Syria."
At the end, GCC will lose the last country ( Syria ) which has its own sufficient military. Egypt military was bought for peanuts and there is no single big country as Syria who has their own self defense systems rather than depending on their allies.
SA, a ruler, in this case Assad, stepping down is not going to make a difference. There are too many groups with their own agendas. Everybody thinks ONLY THEY are right, THEY want power , THEY want to rule...one way or another.
Unless people respect each other despite differences in belief, faith and opinion, the killing won't stop...look at history, it is a very good teacher. People have been killing each other for different reasons since mankind began.
In my point of view, Though US has rejected meeting Russia in Geneva , they should meet again and should think of dividing Syria into two, one in favor of Assad and another to form their own government, the way they prefer, it could be democratic or whatever. Like Qatar was once controlled by Bahrain, Pakistan was India.
Or if they don't agree, let them fight each other until the end but as per my analysis Foreign intervention is more dangerous than allowing them to fight each other.
Or if they really like to intervene they should destroy both Assad regime and the rebel forces and the civilians form their government and let them build Syria from scratch.
SA, if the killing is to stop, there is only one solution...people need to come to their senses. That, of course, is not going to happen...hence, the killing, one way or another, will continue.
There are possibilities that the counter attacks would end up with more chemical attacks either by accidents or by rebels/Assad or by US targets on Syrian protected CW stockpile.
Yes. Assad and Gaddafi are very different. Gaddafi had all his defense system centralised in particular areas of his country but Assad has all his military and defense system built in the residential areas where thousands of civilians live. Any attack on his defense system will surely end up with a loss of 100s and thousands.
For a moment if we agree (though I wont without any proper evidence, just as a case) that Assad used chemical weapons :
"Assad used chemical weapons and killed people ( civilians ), we will use weapons and still kill people ( civilians )"
"In documents found by the U.S. Navy SEALs who raided Osama bin Laden's compound two years ago in Abbottabad, Pakistan, there was a letter written by bin Laden five days before he was killed in which he urged his followers in Yemen who were considering using "poison" to be "careful of doing it without enough study of all aspects, including political and media reaction.
There's no doubt that Al Qaeda has chemical weapons & that AQ is in Syria yet, with zero evidence they think that it could have been the regime because only they has chemical weapons. I really hope that they don't get people killed with their stupidity.
For most in the west they could not care less, it is a far away country of which we know nothing. Of course people in the west are strongly against chemical weapons but it is not a direct threat to the west.
Taking out military installations will only help the various rebel groups but whoever wins this fight in Syria is not a good choice. It's a choice between bad and worse.
How many years did it take to bring the American military officer and avowed Islamic terrorist Maj. Nidal Hasan to trial and justice? Yet Obama wants to circumvent all legal precedence and deal with Assad without waiting for International Law to be tested?
When the majority of thinking Americans ( Europeans as well) KNOW this to be yet another bad decision following a long string of bad decisions since the Korean War?
Oh yeah, no problem he got a Nobel PEACE prize already???
100,000 killed, millions displaced but it was not a red line.
Except the FSA and Stupid fake Islamists, those who follow the government line often speak about a U.S. conspiracy to overthrow Assad and even those who have backed the uprising against Assad say they are not comfortable with a Western nation attacking their country.
It is not wrong RIP, it was tricky. Like they say today "they cant sit in their arse watching people die" but the Genocide in Kurdistan was completely ignored by the superpowers for reasons of political interest.
Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq but accused accused Iran, (NY Times Published: January 17, 2003)
Now in Britain, only 9% have been voted for intervention but still they will.
Actually slightly wrong LLR, the US turned a blind eye to the attacks on the Kurds at the time, the same as when Iraq was using gas against the Iranians.....
like I say, let all these people in the Middle East kill themselves and then maybe the world will have peace.
Who cares about Al Qaeda, they are pretty much toothless these days and are always threatening to kill people to bring in the 'true' relgiion.
If the Arabs were not so divided as a race they could have put pressure on Assad to stop this before now. However I hope the west does not get invovled, we should start saying it is not our problem, let them kill themselves if they want. We will just live our comfortable lives.
I dont how can Obama and Cameron agree on something which has no proper evidence yet as Reuters says "UN inspectors have left their Damascus hotel for the site of alleged chemical weapons strike".
This is what igniting the conspiracy more and more as these attacks will be without any mandate from UN Security Council.
Well SA that depends. If you are a Kurd or a Marsh Arab then you don't want Saddam as you will likley be dead. If you are Tariq Azziz or King of KSA then you miss your old friend.
"I don't understand why China and Russia are not getting blame for the situation. They seem quite happy to sit back and watch people die in their thousands and block anything in the UN"
Probably because they see the folly of intervention. They realise that most voters in the West don't agree with the intervention and most importantly, they are acting as a counter balance to the USA and UK. (each side having their own agenda and long term objectives)
I am not sure about which relgion Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Thelonius are speaking about.
We also say generallizing is not acceptable by many people.
Thelonius if there is a religion which tells you to be open minded and respect others and not hurt them then how it can poisons others?
The person who wants to live in shit, harm, and chaos will consider any thing which stops this shit, harm, and chaos as a poison and not only religion.
I don't understand why China and Russia are not getting blame for the situation. They seem quite happy to sit back and watch people die in their thousands and block anything in the UN. If the UN is useless then let's just disband it.
Don't know really who will take care , about the slow poison chemical attack done in Iraq Twice in 1991 and later on 2003 by Americans , big head babies ....Remember........
Today Obama is yelling , once G w bush also did the same way, look at john Karry how he is making his Allies and world fool, did he forgot the Medal he threw back once?
Don't forget that aid given to the FSA is limited and for that Americans are directly dealing and trusting to Brig.Idrees only, means Idrees knows that today's friend can be tomorrows enemy if he and his controlled FSA succeeded in bringing down Asad and his regime and starts attacking the Israeli defenses in Golan........!
So this is it, time will show who was sincere and who was controlled :)
The Saddest Part is that "The first and last looser are only and only innocent Syrians"
The gangs who are fighting the Asad Regime are strictly ordered and supported only after if focus on Asad only , yes this is it, if Syrian Regime collapses and Asad thrown away, then the biggest upset will be the dissolved of a biggest Army in the region as happened in Iraq and Libya which at least will be menthol fresh feelings for Israels. Once again Puppets will be installed to rule and to spread chaos as done in Iraq to keep public busy in tensions and issues and to forgot about "Golan Heights"
Egypt leadership cashed the peace with Israel almost 33 years , simply all the privileges which made their leadership corrupt was in danger after Mursi took over , now they want to secure and regain those huge huge huge privileges. Again external forces with traitors and foolish public brought down the curtain.
Americans fought with Saddam over the issue of NBC which were never discovered and Iraqi children heads were crushed just without any reason .Later they kept killing Iraqis for "Operation Freedom Iraq"
Osama bin laden found in Pakistan as they said so far without showing a photo or clip, but Afghan children were killed while sleeping hugging their parents.
Sun of bitches now don't have a 9/11 left or NBC left to do another adventure , so that's it , Democracy is the new tool and how deaf or dum we are that the drumming of democracy was done in the era of G W Bush, so this is it.
Salute to Aljazeera , which failed to liberate Palestine but wow, amazingly successful for Syria.
The Arab Spring was a big problem for Israel so I don't buy that they are behind this. The last thing they want is a mess on their doorstep. Under the previous system they could make cosy deals with the dictators even if the population of those country were anti israel, Egypt being the best example.
6.Climate is Protection of Israel , yes ! Israel will enjoy 100 % freedom and security while pressing the life lines of Palestinians under their boots.
7.Autocrat Arab regimes or leader will just keep clapping their hands in promoting and boosting their business and development , living in a free Atmosphere of "Critic free Arab leaders" who once opposed or resisted against rights for Arabs or Muslims and then made mistakes and plunged into dirty and wisely played games against them.
An atmosphere which lacks Saddam Hussain, Col.Gaddafi and Asad.
1. Its a war provoked by Joint ventures from American, Israel and Arabs from Gulf.
2.Provoked under the Shelter of Arab Spring
3.Arabs program is to get rid of Shia dominance and Americans and Israelis are determent to crush Syrian Regime.
4.One objective but different advantages
5.Throwing out Asad Regime will weaken the Iran and Hezbollah connection and Iran which was defending boldly and keenly its Nuclear plans since long will either break away or loose control.
Brit, nothing ever happens immedaitely. When the Serbs were massacaring the Bosnians it took a long time before the international community too action. Look at Rwanda, the French knew what was coming as they were told but nothing was done.
Who benefits from the destruction of Syria? No one really. Bad for Russia, bad for Israel, bad for Lebanon. Maybe good for Iran if it keeps the US occupied.
Am just wondering that in two years of conflict more than hundred thousands had been killed as said, what line was that? Black or Red.About the chemical attack , so strange that why it happened only after UN inspection team stepped inside Syria for investigation of a previous attack .
About the American Strikes , well why Americans and its allies are only sensitive and ready to attack only after their so called Red Line is crossed.Its barbaric and brutal without no mercy what Asad is doing with his own nation no doubt on it but why worlds Conscience is awakening now , where they were when Iraqis were killed and Afghans were killed by US bombing.
"The worst thing about Syria is that it started as an uprising against a dictator, (don't forget Assad's father killed thousands in the 80s in a similar protest) and it will descend into a sectarian war. "
Question: Why was nothing done earlier to protect the civilians and Who really benefits from the destruction of Syria ?
Like your comment Lonius at 27/08/2013 - 3:12pm, Disunity is a big problem, you will be surprised if you read the historical causes of this plurality and divisions.
Cord, good observation, lets talk about Syria as long as I know Syria was a moderate country.
Relgion mixed with politics does not work. Muslims are told by many religious leaders their loyalty is too their religion first and should seek to establish a caliphate.
The only majority muslim country that has avoided this trap is Turkey and it was Attaturk who cleverly enshirned democracy and seperation of state and religion in decision making. This allow the creation of a Turkish entity.
This has worked well up until now. (Unfortunately the current PM is trying to make changes based on religious rule, hence the recent protests)
The worst thing about Syria is that it started as an uprising against a dictator, (don't forget Assad's father killed thousands in the 80s in a similar protest) and it will descend into a sectarian war. Sunni, Shia, Alawaits, Christain and a few others looking to see whose side they should be on.
If you want a mess to become a bigger mess, add religion to it. Guarenteed death.
Do the jerks on this forum understand what it feels to have 13 members of your family mostly young children and girls gassed and basically exterminated in the flash of an eye?
I don’t know what it feels either, but two of my colleagues know it very well.
Is it possible to at least divide Syria into two , half as Assad's Syria and the other half as Rebel's Syria as both of them them considerable population supporting them.
Everyone should be given one week or a month time to choose where do would like to live.
There must be better solutions if we are not biased and if we truly dont like any bloodshed.
No one outside forces will intervene. Bcoz others were already there when the war conflict intensified. Still the opposition had outside support thats why syrian civil war drag on .
Can someone tell me, why Assad is bad before this conflict started.
I mean before the demonstrations and the attack by the military on the civilians. Till these incidents, i haven't read bad about him like for example Saddam, Ghaddafi, etc..
More importanly, IF they intervene (I hope not, but Europe and UK are constantly asking US when they will do something...eejits), who, after one side is gone, will take over? The Free Army? They are riddled with Al Qaida and who knows what else.....
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The US Secretary of State also said President Assad "deserves credit" for his part in "swiftly moving" to eliminate his regime's chemical arms.
"I think it's extremely significant that yesterday, Sunday, within a week of the resolution being passed, some chemical weapons were being destroyed," said Kerry.
"I think it's a credit to the Assad regime, frankly. It's a good beginning and we welcome a good beginning," he added.
Tony "It's the results that count. I'm not particularly concerned if we do it elegantly or inelegantly. We have got to be prepared to enforce the will of the international community."
I was wondering, who is this international community..
Stupid Liars..
Aren't you bored here YET!?
RIP, World is bored but the warmongers are not. Did not you see the latest headlines?
LLR the world is bored with Syria now, we've moved on to killings in Kenya and Christains being murdered in Pakistan.
Hey next week, it might be another mass shooting in America if we are lucky.
Again the drums of war are beating louder..
Syria agreed to surrender the chemical weapons.
UN did not conclude anything other than the usage
SNC agreed to come to the negotiation table
but why on earth the global morality institute & allies discussing military intervention again..??
Personally dont believe a single thing that the American 'Head Shed' tells us. What happened to Iraqs WMD? What happened to all Saddams gold? Was it distributed amongst the poor Iraqis? Was it hell. The US Federal Reserve have it.
So many false flag operations by the US over the years and it makes me laugh when all these sheep jump up and down and pee their pants when they see very biased new reports on Sky News or FOX or whatever channel they watch. Ask yourself who owns these news channels?
Can they show the world this evidence then? We are all waiting.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/20139188291349635.html
Russian foreign minister Lavrov says UN report does not answer all Russian questions about alleged chemical attack in Syria.
Yeah, security threats, fighting terrorism etc are the words they use to keep the innocents quiet... if you are not with them you are a threat to the whole nation. Morality preachers don't get offended helping & encouraging them though..
Meanwhile, whilst the focus is on Syria, In Egypt Pharoah SiSi and his henchmen are ruthlessly going about their work of abusing innocents. Funny that Egyptians are very quiet about this :O(
Russia is pushing the opposition to come to negotiation table, lets hope it will go better. Syria is already collapsed except the fact that the moral police did not yet get much benefits.
It is a very tricky game...I want to be optimistic but the history is making me think that after hand over of chemical weapons, they would find some other reason to carry out their moral values. :(
UN inspectors could not able to find who was responsible..
I am sure if it is Syrian Government they would have brought it up..
The interesting thing will be the wording of the UN resolution.
Obummer, Camoron and the Frenchies are trying to ensure that the wording gives them an option of using military force if required. This has shades of Iraq and Libya and is very worrying.
Obama is in his last term and I foresee him leaving us with something to remember him by. Pity he didn't succeed on the promises of Middle East peace between Israel and the Palestinians :O(
TERRORIST HAVEN.
scary.
Yeah sun, it could have been terrible between Muslims and non Muslims. So much better for Muslims to kill Muslims without the world interfering
UN's Ban Ki-moon to Security Council: Mission concludes chemical
http://www.un.org/sg/statements/index.asp?nid=7083
The good thing us that the focus on Syria has taken the spotlight away from Pharoah SiSi and the atrocities he has committed in Egypt..
First time I can say, Obama did a good job by accepting Putin's proposal. This war would have done nothing accept aggravating bitterness between Muslims and non Muslims.
So it seemed the threat of force did work and Assad is willing to give up his chemicals weapons.
Hooray for America saving the lives of Syrians without even dropping one bomb
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/14/the-u-s-russia-agreement-on-syrias-chemical-weapons/?mod=WSJBlog&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/2013914102758488772.html
Bosharaf, and if the West intervenes, THEY are blamed for killing the Syrian children.....
It seems that the Arab neighbours think even less of the lives of syrian children..
i think that the west countries they don't care about the life of the syrian children , The only thing that they care about is what is good for them, so when you saw the word terrorist think wisely before saying it.
"When I hear Obama or Kerry rage with indignation, I can’t help feeling that it sounds hollow. Americans started a war in Iraq that killed tens of thousands of Iraqis. We tortured people. And now we launch drones around the globe — weapons that give, to a very small number of people, the power of judge, jury and hangman all at once.These acts have eroded our authority to pronounce on moral issues in foreign affairs."
http://www.filmsforaction.org/news/us_desperately_tries_to_justify_syrian_war_after_everyone_agrees_to_a_peaceful_solution/
Doubts linger over Syria gas attack evidence as direct proof remains missing from the public record
I dunno which the so-called "international community" is Catherine Ashton, John Kerry, Obama are talking about. The most populous country like India, China, Indonesia, Russia and many other countries in the G20 summit unequivocally said NO to the military intervention.
I have heard so far:
Pope writes to Russia's President Putin for G20, says military solution in Syria would be 'futile pursuit'.
Russia warns that a US strike on Syrian atomic facilities might result in a nuclear catastrophe.
What difference it makes if you kill by chemical weapons or nuclear weapons? Which is more moral?
Yes but those morality preaches all telling that "World Set Redline, Not me".
Its all rather farcical. There is no clear definition of "limited" and the mission can be extended as necessary.
Once again the politicians have failed to listen to the public. Polls show that the majority of Americans are against such an action..
US Foreign Relations Committee passes resolution authorising use of military force by 10-7 votes. It would allow Obama to order a limited military mission against Syria, as long as it does not exceed 90 days and involves no US troops on the ground for combat operations.
Ex-Syrian defense minister defects, now in Turkey, senior member of Opposition SNC tells Reuters.
Yes of course they can hire pilots and fighter jets. They can buy robotic soldiers with their money.
1) American has a large muslim population and many Syrian refugees
2) that of course if a big worry
3) that is true but Syria has very little oil
4) That is true
5) Are they going to send expats to fight with the rebels???
The reason why Qatar & Saudi should interfere is
1) These are muslim countries, USA is not
2) They were with rebels and share their ideology which USA doesn't
3) These countries cannot be accused of being oil hungry
4) Qatar and Saudi are closer
5) Enough money and ample man power.
I didn't know the breakdown but 26% of muslims are non-sunni. I make that a pretty large minority.
I guess you will review your last comment.
1. "Sunnis make up 74%[1] of the total,"
source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Syria
2. "Syria's population is approximately 90% Muslim and 10% Christian. Among Muslims, 74% are Sunni; the rest are divided among other Muslim sects, mainly Alawites (accounting for 10% of the total population) and Druze (6%), but also a small number of non-Druze Ismailites and Shiite, which has increased dramatically due to the influx of Iraqi refugees since 2005"
http://www.cometosyria.com/en/pages/Religion+syria/6/1
3. "The largest religious group in Syria is Sunni Islam, of which about 80 percent are native Syrian Arabs"
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/syria/syria-religion
but Syria has a large number of Shia and Alawites which are not considered muslims but the sunni branch of islam.
The concept of a religious country is valid if all citizens are religious, I am with the opinion of civil country with religious basis and roots.
Maybe more countries need to be boobed SA.....
SA, Syria is not a muslim country, in fact no country is. Every country is made up of people of different cultures and different beliefs. A more correct response would be we hope there is peace in Syria soon.
countries as well, let peace be every where, and eductate those who are not open minded.
I was surprised when I hear the UN secretary saying that, I wish from my heart that Syria will not be like Iraq after boobing it.
I wish all Muslim countries to be safe and peace.
UN Secretary General says use of force by any country against Syria requires approval by UN Security Council.
Yeah sun that is great. Qatar and Saudi funding and giving weapons to Islamic extremists... that worked out well for Libya and Egypt.
Would you really want someone like Saudi to help you in your battle for freedom that suppresses individual freedoms and human rights? You must be crazy.
I still wish America will keep out of it andlet countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia sort it out.
Obama has scored his first major victories in getting Congress on side for military action.
Two defectors from the Assad regime claiming that they were asked to use chemical weapons.
he was dining and chatting with him not too long ago ..
First Israel has said that it is unaware of any missile launch in the region but its a turnaround, Israel now says it has carried out joint missile test with US in the Mediterranean Sea. Additional reports add that it tested an "anchor" target missile used in anti-missile systems - Reuters reports.
Yes there are options available. If Assad and FSA agrees on something those fake Islamists supported by CIA & Allies will not stay for long and it is a good option to catch all of them in Syria.
Never going to happen. FSA is not one organisation and those with an Islamic agenda will continue the fighting. They want neither Assad know the FSA.
Nope not really. The real game starts now to help refugees to go back home and this is only possible by bringing both Assad and FSA to the negotiation table.
I guess we are all bored of Syria now, time to move on.
Arab League considers only the United Nations, "as the official representative of the international community" could "take action to stop those who committed this crime".
So the Arab League doesn't want unilateral action by anyone, and it will be very hard to get the UN consensus it says should be found. Another setback for the United States.
Russian parliament will seek dialogue with US Congress on Syria to persuade US lawmakers to take a balance position. :)
Well I think it is, it was not designated a free vote they were expected to follow the PM's wishes. How can he allow them to stay if they go against his decision making.
If the PM said it was a free vote and vote as per your conscience then that would be a different matter.
This is not fair
Ministers 'Face Sack' Over The Government's Syria Defeat As Cameron Plans Reshuffle.
Hope the talks in Geneva would bring some good news to the world.
Problem with Syria still could be solved with dialogues and negotiations - bombing was never a solution and nobody has won by bombing - The real victory is the voice of your heart that you did it right.
You are probably right SA, laid together side by side in their graves.
Obama wants out of the problem and Congress will give him the no to get out of military action saying his hands are tied.
Then this might brings the Syrians more togather.
Sources say that Obama will have difficulties getting the consent of the congress to start a war on Syria. Syria seems to have won this round , US is afraid of the Axis of the Resistance and does not seem ready to venture .
At meeting with Iranian officials, Assad says Syria is capable of confronting any external attack.
US Sen. Rand Paul on intervening in Syria: 'All of the bad things you can imagine are all more likely if we get involved in Syrian civil war'
The clearest day ever is the one after the storm !
That's all
adey I dont have access to Youtube, will watch it later.
to my view:
Personally I think the atomic bombs were justified. The whole of Japan was one huge war machine. The people of China, Korea, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia and many islands in the pacific were not sorry to see the Japanese defeated.
Korea for instance was not just conquered by forced to become Japanese but inforcing the Japanese language and using their women as sex slaves.
If you look at the horrific battles the Brits and Americans fought against the Japanese taking the mainland would have been a disaster in lost lives on both sides.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2013/08/201383111193558894.html
I hope and 90% sure that there wont be any intervention ( though they will be international support to rebels) but if there is intervention, it will not end with Syria and US, it will affect many others as it seems like Soviet has made its mind not to allow US to take over Syria at any cost.
I agree with you. However, if someone is to act as the "world's policeman" , then the actions should be the same for all. This is not clearly the case, so it's best to stay out.
By the way, Obama knows that the Republicans have numerous hawks, so congress will support him.
When bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki has not yet been justified, why would they like to punish someone else where 300+ people killed and without any confirmation yet that the regime used it.
I know Japan did some horrible things to P.O.Ws and the people of china but the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki had nothing to do with the war other than happen to live in the country.
He has a get out now, same as Cameron. Obama will go to Congress and they will vote against. The people have spoken.....
Plenty of different types of chemicals can be used to kill on such a mass scale, doesn't have to be sarin.
The real reason is probably the inability to honour his dignity as he may be probably thinking that it is shameful to go back from his words of red line and bla bla bla.
UN Inspectors told that the gas was not Sarin but US is still insisting that they have evidence, damn Putin is right it is utter nonsense.
The reason Brit should be that the world community takes strong action against any government that uses chemical weapons or massacres it's own people. Now someone killed those 1400 people in one of the nastest ways possible and they should be held accountable in a perfect world. However the UN is ineffective and will always be if countries are driven by their own self interests.
Hey but who cares, the Burmese Muslims are being attacked and killed and that seems to have dropped off the radar. So who cares about a few Arabs blowing each other up, it's what they do best.
brit ,, Maybe he lost something there and wants the army to bring it back !!
So, the public in the USA does not want intervention. Most in the region don't want intervention. YET, Obama sees it as his duty..... So what is the real reason ?
Put your hands up in the air
Yes.
Hand's off Syria please
Hand's off Arabs please
Hand's off Any International Military Intervention please
Got to agree with Thelonius the wise and Rip Cord .. Stop interfering. Stay away and let the region sort out their own problems..
Yes you are right LLR, but we have learned our lesson. The days of empire and interference for the west are long gone, well for Europe anyway.
Maybe the Arabs need to learn some lessons from history as well.
As per my analysis, there won't be any intervention. :)
RIP West had been playing a major role in all those conflicts, I am sure you know the history.
TheLonius Yes. Can't agree more. They still have to stop arming the rebels and ask the military forces to come back home.
The public in the west are not interested in Syria, they are sick of people in the middle east killing each other and the countries around them doing nothing to help and in some cases deliberatly making the situation worse.
They've been killing each other for the last two thousand years over land disputes, religion, tribal disputes so let them get on with it. Maybe once everyone is dead the area will have peace.
Meanwhile in France , an opinion poll suggested that 64% opposed the use of force however Neither France nor the US needs parliamentary approval for military action.
Russia's President Vladimir Putin dismisses US claims that Syria's regime used chemical weapons as 'utter nonsense'.
25 Quotes About The Coming War With Syria That Every American Should See
What moral values we have to preach by bullets and missiles when it has the potential to drag a World War?
"How many more wars will it take to awaken the conscience to finally save the humanity from total madness and destruction, instead of giving the world a chance that the forces of good prevail over the forces of evil?" ~ Flavio Codarin
Sulie It is very obvious that they are not behind innocents as 100,000 already died and that 100,000 has even those who were killed by rebels.
Kerry was talking about Moral Responsibility but as long as I know American Government dont deserve to talk about Preaching Morals to any other Government as they are already Warmongers
I wonder what is right and what is wrong now
If The US put it's hands off Syria, How many other innocents will die?
If They used their forces, what will happen next?
And in the first place, why they are interested in Syria, Is it because of the innocents or there is a hidden reason?
How are they going to play the dirty game again?
Well that's ok then. As long as its just one of those other deadly chemicals that kills people while they sleep, the world can carry on as normal....
Chemical Weapons Expert Jean Pascal Zanders Says Gas Might Not Be Sarin.
Brit, I am not so sure about that...I also VERY MUCH hope NOT.
Sadly, the USA is already committed to using force. Obama's recent rhetoric coupled with the hawks in the Rspublican ranks means there is no turning back
Lost you are right, leave Syria to the Arabs. No business of the west how many die, why should we care.
Britain is not going in so that is good. Some dead women and children are the blood on the hands of Arabs not the west
PM Cameron: 'it is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly'.
Rip then why don't you leave this matter(syria) to arabs
Let there be justice for those people died children, women and men and punish all the people responsible for this chemical attack. I would prefer attacking them by US allies to feel and suffer this regime of what they deserve. Such a devastating genocide for humuanity.
God bless those innocent Syrian people.May they rest in Peace. God bless Syria.
where u saw that.western media..keep watching false..they know very well how to brain wash u :)
They waited for two years by enjoying the show of weakening of Syrian Regime and when they failed or didn't obtained the max , they used Chemicals.
The Orphan UNO! Yes an Orphan with its founders ,which was never considered before attacking Iraq 2003 and now they are united very passionately :) The Attack is on its way very soon , Russia is not going to do anything as it done back in 2003 , here Iran must have to act because no matter but Syria's Sovereignty is challenged while dirty political war is imposed on it.Its time to leash USA and its allies because they are united with some Arabs who have silently surrendered themselves against Arab Enemies and focused on their Authoritarian Powers , business and lust.This is it for what Syrian Episode was started for ,to remove the last brick from the wall of Resistors.
RIP If I give someone few bugs he will come in media and say those words.
Oh I now understand with GOD you mean money and CIA/FBI or those who are training and financing them , right?
Moaning, anger and emotions have no language. May be when Atheist moan or shout they may be doing something like this "Oh my ____ I am confused."
lost, Arab leaders make statements all the time about Palenstine and will continue to do so forever.
Box maybe you should go to Syria and tell them that, when I see them on TV blowing up some government troops they shout allah akbar. Seems a very religious thing to say...
Yes. Nommy.
In huffington 65.85% readers have voted "No"
As per some report only 9% americans support war in Syria.
http://www.infowars.com/americans-91-opposition-to-syrian-war-insignificant-to-technocrats/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2013/08/26/only_9_percent_of_americans_support_war_in_syria_will_they_rally_round_the.html
PeoplePower - oh what does it mean?
Who ever care about Syria ..anybody has dare to care about palastine
Box maybe you should go to Syria and tell them that, when I see them on TV blowing up some government troops they shout allah akbar. Seems a very religious thing to say...
Just to let you know, MOST people in the US, UK and Europe do NOT want their countries to be involved in Syria.
Unfortunately this does not concern the politicians.
Russia is sending two warships to the eastern Mediterranean.
So god is being blamed now..Astagfurullah..I blame those who went against the teachings of religion..All religion teaches one thing..PEACE
Are they sure, Limited Air Strikes will just end when they want to stop it? It is just going to escalate more and more.
Israel is playing a behind the scene role that he is not joining any party but would forcefully response to any attack on their territory. What do you think they have not yet financed those planned attack on themselves to enable them to react ???
It is surprise to see someone living in 21st Century still blaming religions and GOD. I think you have to read more about CIA, FBI strategies. It is all about political gain at the end.
Please keep your comments relevant to Syria. Believes we all have and we respect each other. Instead of saying someone else is wrong or to blame someone else, just you can say I dont accept it,as simple as that.
Thank you.
As per my analysis Foreign intervention will result with more civilians death than just letting Assad and FSA to fight each other.
Shame and Shame I am out
I think for Syria the real blame lies with God. God invested most of this time in the Middle East, starting three major religions and what has that left us with in the last 2000 years?
Non-stop wars, secterian and religious violence throughout the region. The other areas where he was not at work are mainly peaceful, a lesson for us all there.
SA off topic but I'll leave you with this.
Good people do good things
Bad people do bad things
Only religion makes good people do bad things, thinking they are right. That is the difference.
Let Uncle Sam play it again, it is going to have a huge financial impact again as per some reports it is “revealed” that Iranian/International hackers will paralyze the banks as revenge for the attack on Syria.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/world-war-3-russia-threatens-catastrophic-consequences-of-u-s-led-strikes-on-syria-2/
of crimes, so which crime is acceptable for you?
So Rip Cord what is the thing which you consider ir a crime?
According to your last comment you give an excuse for the rapist and the drug dealers to do what they want because it is not related to religion.
and your word more than just few individuals clearly means it is not the majority.
SA I don't think rapists and murderers are a good comparison as I have not heard one say they committed their crimes due to a religious ideology. That is what links Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, MILF, Islamic Jihad in the Maghreb, etc, etc.... more than just a few individuals.
Anyway back to the topic.
Even Obama who pledged to get America out of these wars seems itching for a fight. I wonder what he has been smoking in the white house.
The families which do not teach their children the values of humanity and respect plays a negative role in todays world.
have been misleaded, can you google at more than one source and look at them?
Now if we assume that 10 or 20 misguided believers have hijacked the plane does this mean that all believers are bad?
Many people at their home can not make control of all their children, but some families try their best to seed the values of humanity and respect, and some families no.
Then how you expect a big country like Saudi to control all its people?
Als in USA you still see the drug dealers and rpist and murderers in different states through the local TV channels, does this mean all Amricans are bad.
Of course Thelonius! Why did the US not go after Saudi after most of the misguided believers on those hijacked planes come from Saudi? Or there most wanted terrorist Mr Bin Laden was a Saudi orginally?
Money talks, bullsh.... walks...
Thank you SA.
Saudi is the biggest exporter of terrorism in the world!
not useful if we do not know how to use it?
And as you said the paper pushers have to be kept busy.
Why?
Maybe to make more profit, then what I would say is what a shame!!
especially point No.4 and point No.5 please check the below link
http://www.khalidzaheer.com/essays/kzaheer/social%20issues/nonmuslim_friends.html
I apperciate your efforts to enlighten some people with truth.
Watch this documentary SA, http://www.qatarliving.com/node/16145516
can you say why?
The Americans are bombing the wrong country it should be Saudi!
A great article by the Guardian on all aspects of this situation.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/may/13/1
I read in some other sources as well that it is a damn pipeline not chemical attacks.
"In 2003, just a month after the commencement of the Iraq War, US and Israeli government sources told The Guardian of plans to "build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to Israel" bypassing Syria."
At the end, GCC will lose the last country ( Syria ) which has its own sufficient military. Egypt military was bought for peanuts and there is no single big country as Syria who has their own self defense systems rather than depending on their allies.
landlover, there are always estimates...the paper pushers have to be kept busy......
the people who thinks they are only right and others are fault, this kind of people who think like this are the real a problem.
Take the example of the Plastinian journalist who was killed by some Plastinians because he made an interview with a Jew guy in the Parlimant.
SA, a ruler, in this case Assad, stepping down is not going to make a difference. There are too many groups with their own agendas. Everybody thinks ONLY THEY are right, THEY want power , THEY want to rule...one way or another.
Unless people respect each other despite differences in belief, faith and opinion, the killing won't stop...look at history, it is a very good teacher. People have been killing each other for different reasons since mankind began.
I wonder how many innocent civilians we will kill when we bomb them?
Did they at least estimate it or who cares?
In my point of view, Though US has rejected meeting Russia in Geneva , they should meet again and should think of dividing Syria into two, one in favor of Assad and another to form their own government, the way they prefer, it could be democratic or whatever. Like Qatar was once controlled by Bahrain, Pakistan was India.
Or if they don't agree, let them fight each other until the end but as per my analysis Foreign intervention is more dangerous than allowing them to fight each other.
Or if they really like to intervene they should destroy both Assad regime and the rebel forces and the civilians form their government and let them build Syria from scratch.
News just in, the UK has tabled a motion to the Security Council to be read today..... 3 for and 2 against is my prediction.
We have cases from our Islamic history when a ruler step down to stop the fight.
Al Hassan Ibn Ali step down to end the fights, here is a link for curious leaders
http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/battleswarsto1000/p/siffin.htm
and look at links to Siffin battle.
They will sort it out and it is easy to do it without weapons than arming a group and bombarding the other one.
SA, if the killing is to stop, there is only one solution...people need to come to their senses. That, of course, is not going to happen...hence, the killing, one way or another, will continue.
What I am almost sure about, is that there be more fatalties whether there is a strike or no.
LLR what is the solution from your point of view?
There are possibilities that the counter attacks would end up with more chemical attacks either by accidents or by rebels/Assad or by US targets on Syrian protected CW stockpile.
absolutely no difference
Yes. Assad and Gaddafi are very different. Gaddafi had all his defense system centralised in particular areas of his country but Assad has all his military and defense system built in the residential areas where thousands of civilians live. Any attack on his defense system will surely end up with a loss of 100s and thousands.
For a moment if we agree (though I wont without any proper evidence, just as a case) that Assad used chemical weapons :
"Assad used chemical weapons and killed people ( civilians ), we will use weapons and still kill people ( civilians )"
What is the difference?
"In documents found by the U.S. Navy SEALs who raided Osama bin Laden's compound two years ago in Abbottabad, Pakistan, there was a letter written by bin Laden five days before he was killed in which he urged his followers in Yemen who were considering using "poison" to be "careful of doing it without enough study of all aspects, including political and media reaction.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/opinion/bergen-chemical-weapons-syria
There's no doubt that Al Qaeda has chemical weapons & that AQ is in Syria yet, with zero evidence they think that it could have been the regime because only they has chemical weapons. I really hope that they don't get people killed with their stupidity.
...and if you have problem with the Mighty, become one, if not cry foul;
I am just stating damn practical worldly rule :)
For most in the west they could not care less, it is a far away country of which we know nothing. Of course people in the west are strongly against chemical weapons but it is not a direct threat to the west.
Taking out military installations will only help the various rebel groups but whoever wins this fight in Syria is not a good choice. It's a choice between bad and worse.
How many years did it take to bring the American military officer and avowed Islamic terrorist Maj. Nidal Hasan to trial and justice? Yet Obama wants to circumvent all legal precedence and deal with Assad without waiting for International Law to be tested?
When the majority of thinking Americans ( Europeans as well) KNOW this to be yet another bad decision following a long string of bad decisions since the Korean War?
Oh yeah, no problem he got a Nobel PEACE prize already???
Yes, my question is who are they to preach with cruise missiles?
100,000 killed, millions displaced but it was not a red line.
Except the FSA and Stupid fake Islamists, those who follow the government line often speak about a U.S. conspiracy to overthrow Assad and even those who have backed the uprising against Assad say they are not comfortable with a Western nation attacking their country.
It is not wrong RIP, it was tricky. Like they say today "they cant sit in their arse watching people die" but the Genocide in Kurdistan was completely ignored by the superpowers for reasons of political interest.
Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq but accused accused Iran, (NY Times Published: January 17, 2003)
Now in Britain, only 9% have been voted for intervention but still they will.
Actually slightly wrong LLR, the US turned a blind eye to the attacks on the Kurds at the time, the same as when Iraq was using gas against the Iranians.....
like I say, let all these people in the Middle East kill themselves and then maybe the world will have peace.
Yes it is obvious, history has recorded so much about them.
1988 chemical attack on Kurdish Community was supported by US but they blamed Iran cuz in 1988 Saddam was in good relationship with US.
Who cares about Al Qaeda, they are pretty much toothless these days and are always threatening to kill people to bring in the 'true' relgiion.
If the Arabs were not so divided as a race they could have put pressure on Assad to stop this before now. However I hope the west does not get invovled, we should start saying it is not our problem, let them kill themselves if they want. We will just live our comfortable lives.
In politics there is:
No friends forever
No enemies forever
but
Interest forever
I dont how can Obama and Cameron agree on something which has no proper evidence yet as Reuters says "UN inspectors have left their Damascus hotel for the site of alleged chemical weapons strike".
This is what igniting the conspiracy more and more as these attacks will be without any mandate from UN Security Council.
Where is country rank
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/26/corruption-index-2010-transparency-international
Qatar is ranked 17 and shows higher transparency thant the United Kingdom and the United States.
Al-Qaida vows a 'Volcano of Revenge' over Syrian suspected chemical weapons attack - @Reuters
Well SA that depends. If you are a Kurd or a Marsh Arab then you don't want Saddam as you will likley be dead. If you are Tariq Azziz or King of KSA then you miss your old friend.
Everyone is free to have their own view / stance regarding religion. Leave religion aside and stick to the topic please
Remember Sadam Hussain Iraqs President, how much does Iraq needs a person like him nowadays?
Without religion also people are poisoning here everything.
I request you three to take a room please. It is free to create another thread, even a 7 years old understands that.
Thank you for understanding.
"I don't understand why China and Russia are not getting blame for the situation. They seem quite happy to sit back and watch people die in their thousands and block anything in the UN"
Probably because they see the folly of intervention. They realise that most voters in the West don't agree with the intervention and most importantly, they are acting as a counter balance to the USA and UK. (each side having their own agenda and long term objectives)
I try my best to be more open mind.
and it is up to you, the 7 yrs old will not understand that a medicine is there cure and poison if miss used.
yes Rip Cord Guns are friendly if they are used at the right time only.
I could change it to
'Guns kill if misused, otherwise they are nice friendly toys that do no harm.'
It is because we are not 7 years old it is my signature. Time to open our eyes as adults.
I am not sure about which relgion Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Thelonius are speaking about.
We also say generallizing is not acceptable by many people.
Thelonius if there is a religion which tells you to be open minded and respect others and not hurt them then how it can poisons others?
The person who wants to live in shit, harm, and chaos will consider any thing which stops this shit, harm, and chaos as a poison and not only religion.
please change it and Let it be:
"Religion poisons everything when it is misused"
Rip Cord you should really stick to your words when you say do you think we are 7 yrs old?
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I don't understand why China and Russia are not getting blame for the situation. They seem quite happy to sit back and watch people die in their thousands and block anything in the UN. If the UN is useless then let's just disband it.
Is it not the time to dissolve powerless UN if US and allies goes to war without any consent with UN security council?
few more days will be my sleepless night as I think there will be war again in ME before sunday.
Is there any truth that this guy Assad is trying to flee to Israel as he does not trust his own people or Russia or the Iranaians for that matter
Syria: Battlefield of Russia/China/Iran/Lebanon against US/UK/KSA/Qatar! Seems like after Afghanistan next Russia-US war is gonna be in Syria!
US/UN don't wanna inspect damascus, just accusations, blaming Assad for the Chemical weapons, Like they said about Saddam Hussain!
Don't know really who will take care , about the slow poison chemical attack done in Iraq Twice in 1991 and later on 2003 by Americans , big head babies ....Remember........
Today Obama is yelling , once G w bush also did the same way, look at john Karry how he is making his Allies and world fool, did he forgot the Medal he threw back once?
Don't forget that aid given to the FSA is limited and for that Americans are directly dealing and trusting to Brig.Idrees only, means Idrees knows that today's friend can be tomorrows enemy if he and his controlled FSA succeeded in bringing down Asad and his regime and starts attacking the Israeli defenses in Golan........!
So this is it, time will show who was sincere and who was controlled :)
The Saddest Part is that "The first and last looser are only and only innocent Syrians"
The gangs who are fighting the Asad Regime are strictly ordered and supported only after if focus on Asad only , yes this is it, if Syrian Regime collapses and Asad thrown away, then the biggest upset will be the dissolved of a biggest Army in the region as happened in Iraq and Libya which at least will be menthol fresh feelings for Israels. Once again Puppets will be installed to rule and to spread chaos as done in Iraq to keep public busy in tensions and issues and to forgot about "Golan Heights"
Interesting points kabayan and saying they are all true why are the arabs so stupid to let it happen to them?
Egypt leadership cashed the peace with Israel almost 33 years , simply all the privileges which made their leadership corrupt was in danger after Mursi took over , now they want to secure and regain those huge huge huge privileges. Again external forces with traitors and foolish public brought down the curtain.
Americans fought with Saddam over the issue of NBC which were never discovered and Iraqi children heads were crushed just without any reason .Later they kept killing Iraqis for "Operation Freedom Iraq"
Osama bin laden found in Pakistan as they said so far without showing a photo or clip, but Afghan children were killed while sleeping hugging their parents.
Sun of bitches now don't have a 9/11 left or NBC left to do another adventure , so that's it , Democracy is the new tool and how deaf or dum we are that the drumming of democracy was done in the era of G W Bush, so this is it.
Salute to Aljazeera , which failed to liberate Palestine but wow, amazingly successful for Syria.
Wonders
The Arab Spring was a big problem for Israel so I don't buy that they are behind this. The last thing they want is a mess on their doorstep. Under the previous system they could make cosy deals with the dictators even if the population of those country were anti israel, Egypt being the best example.
6.Climate is Protection of Israel , yes ! Israel will enjoy 100 % freedom and security while pressing the life lines of Palestinians under their boots.
7.Autocrat Arab regimes or leader will just keep clapping their hands in promoting and boosting their business and development , living in a free Atmosphere of "Critic free Arab leaders" who once opposed or resisted against rights for Arabs or Muslims and then made mistakes and plunged into dirty and wisely played games against them.
An atmosphere which lacks Saddam Hussain, Col.Gaddafi and Asad.
Why no body act or flew their jets over Israel?
What is Syrian war? in brief
1. Its a war provoked by Joint ventures from American, Israel and Arabs from Gulf.
2.Provoked under the Shelter of Arab Spring
3.Arabs program is to get rid of Shia dominance and Americans and Israelis are determent to crush Syrian Regime.
4.One objective but different advantages
5.Throwing out Asad Regime will weaken the Iran and Hezbollah connection and Iran which was defending boldly and keenly its Nuclear plans since long will either break away or loose control.
Oil prices jump to more than $108 a barrel after US says it is ready to act on order to strike Syria.
Brit, nothing ever happens immedaitely. When the Serbs were massacaring the Bosnians it took a long time before the international community too action. Look at Rwanda, the French knew what was coming as they were told but nothing was done.
Who benefits from the destruction of Syria? No one really. Bad for Russia, bad for Israel, bad for Lebanon. Maybe good for Iran if it keeps the US occupied.
Yes Brit. They have made it more complicated now.
Syria
Am just wondering that in two years of conflict more than hundred thousands had been killed as said, what line was that? Black or Red.About the chemical attack , so strange that why it happened only after UN inspection team stepped inside Syria for investigation of a previous attack .
About the American Strikes , well why Americans and its allies are only sensitive and ready to attack only after their so called Red Line is crossed.Its barbaric and brutal without no mercy what Asad is doing with his own nation no doubt on it but why worlds Conscience is awakening now , where they were when Iraqis were killed and Afghans were killed by US bombing.
"The worst thing about Syria is that it started as an uprising against a dictator, (don't forget Assad's father killed thousands in the 80s in a similar protest) and it will descend into a sectarian war. "
Question: Why was nothing done earlier to protect the civilians and Who really benefits from the destruction of Syria ?
Like your comment Lonius at 27/08/2013 - 3:12pm, Disunity is a big problem, you will be surprised if you read the historical causes of this plurality and divisions.
Cord, good observation, lets talk about Syria as long as I know Syria was a moderate country.
Relgion mixed with politics does not work. Muslims are told by many religious leaders their loyalty is too their religion first and should seek to establish a caliphate.
The only majority muslim country that has avoided this trap is Turkey and it was Attaturk who cleverly enshirned democracy and seperation of state and religion in decision making. This allow the creation of a Turkish entity.
This has worked well up until now. (Unfortunately the current PM is trying to make changes based on religious rule, hence the recent protests)
1. http://intellihub.com/2013/08/26/us-planned-chemical-weapons-false-flag-attack-syria-according-leaked-documents/
2. http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/08/video-shows-rebels-launching-gas-attack-in-syria/
3. http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/u-s-cruise-missiles-preparing-strike-syria-without-congressional-approval/
http://www.infowars.com/syrian-chemical-weapons-globalist-mag-says-kucinich-is-infowars-conspiracy-theorist/
The worst thing about Syria is that it started as an uprising against a dictator, (don't forget Assad's father killed thousands in the 80s in a similar protest) and it will descend into a sectarian war. Sunni, Shia, Alawaits, Christain and a few others looking to see whose side they should be on.
If you want a mess to become a bigger mess, add religion to it. Guarenteed death.
Do the jerks on this forum understand what it feels to have 13 members of your family mostly young children and girls gassed and basically exterminated in the flash of an eye?
I don’t know what it feels either, but two of my colleagues know it very well.
Agree with you Lonius, Let them fight or decide to be together in their part of Syria. There are still Syrians who are in favor of Assad.
Lonius Do you mean to say having Assad is better than not having anyone else?
Is it possible to at least divide Syria into two , half as Assad's Syria and the other half as Rebel's Syria as both of them them considerable population supporting them.
Everyone should be given one week or a month time to choose where do would like to live.
There must be better solutions if we are not biased and if we truly dont like any bloodshed.
nor Rebels. I am worried about the civilians. These questions are keeping me awake late night.
After Intervention will it stop revenge & ethnic killings all over Syria ?
Will intervention escalate the Syrian civil war even further dragging other countries in ?
Will it stop the continuation of massacres from either side ?
Who are we really arming and supporting ?
Where will weapons end up ?
Will the rebels turn on each other for control at a later point ?
Will the intervention actually protract this Syrian war ?
Will Syria end up yet another Afghanistan or Iraq where killings continue to this day with bombings on a daily basis?
World is already poor and needy.
No one outside forces will intervene. Bcoz others were already there when the war conflict intensified. Still the opposition had outside support thats why syrian civil war drag on .
If you go for intervention One More Iraq or Afghanistan..nothing more and lesser than that..
I am not sure about the authenticity of this link
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/08/conspiracy-theory-proven-true-syria-chemical-attacks-set-up-by-obama-video-2702842.html
and
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/08/chemical-attack-footage-uploaded-day-before-attack-reportedly-occurred-in-syria-video-2702686.html
What do you think?
The reason why dictators stayed for so long is because people followed them for too long.
Assad should have been removed a long time ago. The problem is people don't care until they were affected.
How I wish there is intervention by countries who have no motive except to free the people of Syria. I pity them...
Syrian people should act fast because the longer Assad stays, more attacks from his forces will happen.
God Bless to All the People of Syria who opposes Assad.
everyone, ok almost everyone, controls Media!
Can someone tell me, why Assad is bad before this conflict started.
I mean before the demonstrations and the attack by the military on the civilians. Till these incidents, i haven't read bad about him like for example Saddam, Ghaddafi, etc..
Obama says the RED LINE for syria is CHEMICAL ATTACk, and they had forseen this disaster.... OR... were they planning?
Poor US, if they do-they're evil, if they dont-they're dirty :):)
nobody asks the fighting parties-why the hell they're killig eachother?
Ohhh... since the problem started.. US was sleepin.///
their dirty game plan is working well...
Rebels were keep asking for arms only not the air strike.. but no one is ready to provide...
More importanly, IF they intervene (I hope not, but Europe and UK are constantly asking US when they will do something...eejits), who, after one side is gone, will take over? The Free Army? They are riddled with Al Qaida and who knows what else.....
Im in favor of US strike .. this has to end
Idiot west(?)....lol, then why everyone is running (almost begging) west to help in this conflict;
why cant they (syria/rebel) settle themselves?
if they keep n fighting..one day only one party (the winner) will survive, even one person.
for sure Israel, US and UK are involved in this dirty game and Rebels were backed and created by them
"i sometimes think that UN/USA are behind these chemical attacks"
Attitudes like this is why we should just let them keep killing themselves.
i sometimes think that UN/USA are behind these chemical attacks
yes there will be...but what we see before that is more and more killings
Yes! The US has made its mind up. The UK will follow the lead and we will have a bigger mess than before.
Whatever the rights and wrongs - in the end the West will get the blame for :
Intervening
Having their own agenda
Destroying Syrian Army fighting capability to help Israel
Selling arms to rebels etc etc
The biggest danger I see is that it could lead to idiots in the West taking revenge a la 7/7
Which side would they take? The UN inspectors are saying it was the rebels using chemical weapons, not Assad. The plots been lost in this war.
I hope not, but i guess there will be. The world cannot just sit and watch the syrians getting gassed.