What to do if harassed. (YES you can DO something)
Guys, I think it's not very clear the punishment that someone can get into for even the slightest thing these days. All you need to do is report someone and a full investigation goes through.
Before someone screams "Oh that will do nothing towards Qataris" listen to this, it's one of many stories.
A person I know, a Qatari, was driving on the road and an indian woman cut him off and almost caused him to crash. He then sped up to her side and used the hand gesture which means, 'slow down, or 'what?'' (it's done by touching all your fingers together and face up.
3 hours later, the police call him up and he has to go to the station. He was told that he was reported for sticking his middle finger up at her and being rude.
Now, when you are reported, they do something called a FREEZE. They keep you in the police station WHILE they are investigating the issue. He swore that he didn't do anything but they said they would sort it.
(Obviously the woman lied to waste time).
Now here is where luck comes in, his friend was using his brand new mobile and playing around with the video camera and FILMED her cutting him off and his hand gesture. Obviously he was lucky in this case, but the point is, if you are in a situation where you are harrassed by ANYONE, just call the police and report them.
:) Yes it helps.
Nope there's no rock band in the name of "Prevention". But really, avoid places, avoid situations, avoid, avoid.
And yes, better be safe than sorry.
Hi, you know there's a wish list where you all put together the ideal thoughts you can come up to describe a world where it is safe to run atop hills, smell the breeze while touching the flowers and trees around. But then, there's the real world. Period.
Ksarat : You daft pr*ck! Fell for it again.
Maria.m : Your previous posts were a bit annoying I must say. You sound much sensible now. Yes, I am not arguing the fact that women don't get assaulted or harassed. It happens all over the world. That's sentence coming from you sounds more correct. About Doha was a bit over the top, to me. As for that line, well so long as one minds their own business and even TRY to safe, you should be fine. Again, I could be wrong and Indians could be plain lucky. As proven in Shreeya's and our case.
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LOL!...You sure have a go at him everytime right, in Hindi they say, Ek Mauka bhi Haat Se Jaane Nahin Deti Ho...anyways the movie name was Salaam Namaste!!!
Chalo then bye take care.
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Alright children...take care and have fun and stay safe...
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On a final note, Ksa indeed your language is far more better now, improving day by day...keep it up. And please let Terramax's soul rest in pieces...lol....(remember Jawed Jaffery in some movie)
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Thanks again, your last line has reminded me that I must head to kitchen....So bye for now...
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Rayyz, I'd like to reiterate, it has nothing to do with looks or nationality or where a women works. I agree with Shreeya, women are assaulted all over the world. I did'nt quite get the 'if you are looking for trouble...' part. If you feel I am writing to annoy you, sorry, that is not my intention.
Haven't I improved with my English ???
I wish for only Terramax to be here so he could have seen the way I've learnt my language.
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Absolutely well pointed out Rayyz...that's why I haven't said anything about Shreeya's beauty, don't want to get knocked down. At least you had a Qatari friend to pull you out from detention but I don't have my father also this week to bail me out of anything. LOL!
Anyways, having said that Shreeya, truly speaking since this was a serious discussion going on, I didn't want to applaud your over-whelming beauty. I thought I will keep that for a later time down the evening in a different thread, I'm sure I'm bound to bump into some thread in the evening, nowadays it actually stopped mattering which thread it is...LOL!
So what's for lunch both of you?
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Shhhhhh...don't shout, in fact this is a trap for him....
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Maria.m : Trust me. You wouldn't like to know the industry she's working for. You might have to take your words back again. I'd like to say it again, if you're asking for trouble... you are most probably gonna get it.
Shreeya : LOL! If Ksarat said something about your beauty, you might just report another incident of an Indian guy harassing! LOL LOL
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Well said, Maria, Sexual harassment of women is so common all over the world. My country is not an exception. We do have our own stories.
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Thanks Ksarat....but still since last 72 hrs you have not said anything about my beauty...LOL...just to remind you.
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Rayzz, my time to take words back. I am not being chased by guys as you put it, but there are frequent incidents.
Gypsy,Shreeya, harassement has nothing to do with nationality. It is about what situation a women is in. I feel it a power thing with men. My friend once had a meeting with a client, a thobe cladded (I am not mentioning nationality). His office was bustling with activity, but his room was a bit secluded. After the meeting he extended his hand for a formal hand shake. When she offered her hand, he pulled her towards him and tried to assualt her. She managed to break free and ran out of his office. This is just one scenario.
where are you dear today. Not to be seen.
And dont enter ladies domain. be out of it ..hahahahahahaha
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While reading a few of your posts regarding this subject, since the experts are talking I didn't want to comment, but just on that note,
Shreeya, what you just mentioned about who*es...was commendable...a lovely post indeed...
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LOL, maybe she's just lucky then! Sorry Sheerya, They do try and touch me, I've never been asked price though. I'm not saying this as an insult to Indians at all, I'm just saying those are the ones that have harrassed me. Considering the huge population of single male Indians (many of whom are probably not overly educated) It's only natural.
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LOL. I'm glad you included Oriental in the list. She was introduced to me saying she's from Thailand! Got a shocker a week later.
Yes she is an Indian.
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From my experience I beg to differ Gypsy. I think our people find you gals so beautiful that they just can't stop staring at you. Look, in my country Fair skin is always considered as the most beautiful. And your bold approach sometimes adds fuel . But still I don't think, at least not Indians, that westerners are 'wh*res'. I heard this first time in my life only on QL.
In fact your beauty keeps them away from you, let alone touching and asking price etc.
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As much as I appreciate you being chased by guys around Doha. I still think it doesn't qualify you to judge my relations with my wife and how open she is to me or vice versa. So we'll keep it at that.
I really don't have much to say now I guess. Maybe we're plain unlucky, or like Shreeya pointed out Indians are unlucky.
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LOL, Rayyz, I think your wife is not telling you all. (Kidding) On a serious note, working women face a lot of harassement. Take my word for it. It has nothing to do with being ugly or the way a women dress. (I always dress modestly and am not blonde either).
Correct me if I'm wrong Rayyz, but your wife is Indian is she not? My guess is that many of the men here simply have much more respect for her then they do Western or Oriental women (because I know Filipinas are harrassed more then anyone). I wouldn't say it has anything to do with her looks.
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I am here for last one year and touch wood, never get assaulted or harassed in any manner. On the Olympic bid celebration day, I took a long walk all the way to City center with my son to get some Mc'ds for him. The car was parked far away so I have to walk taking all shortcuts behind Kharamma building. Many workers (Indians, B'deshis, Pakistanis, Srilankans , fillipinos, Nepalis and a western family for a change too!!!) were using the same way too. But nothing like harassment, suggestive comments etc. I think I am way too bad looking to get harassed!!!!
Gypsy, don't get me wrong or racist, thats why when I read such comments like only Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalis, Sub continental, diasporans dare to assault you by even touching sometimes etc, I suspect a degree of fabrication to some extent just like 'The lady in bikini sun bathing in car park'...LOL
Well, take a search there is a big story of a western woman chessed by a local. Such thing happens.
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Wow! I'm utterly sorry if my remarks disturbed you or doubted authencity of all those incidents. I'l quickly like to take my words back.
I guess my wife is really ugly then.
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Rayyz, you are sick. Just because your wife does'nt get harassed you think you are an authority on what women go through. Sorry, to inform you there is a lot of harassement women go through everyday. Please, I have enough personal experience on this.
Great. So take that as a joke. I was pulling Amnesia's leg anyway, couldn't think of anyone else to compare with but you. :P
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I didn't mean to self glorify. The fact is this happens because I have blonde hair, which stands out. Most men here assume that because I'm a Western woman I'm a w*ore and think they can approach me and I will automatically give it all up to them. This isn't glorification, I'm not proud of it, it drives me crazy.
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Okay so you opted for the serious part :)
To me at least one sounded a little fake, to be very honest. Possibly giving you the 'Hot Property' tag. Doha isn't actually as bad in terms of harassment when compared to numerous incidents listed above, at least to one person!
My wife drives all over Doha by herself and with her friends, I can't remember last when she had a problem of someone trying to harass her. And she isn't exactly ugly.
Probably it was couple of years back at the FFC in the morning or something. And that too the guy asked her if she needs a lift in the parking lot outside. She said no thank you and the guy left. I really won't even think of that as an harassing incident.
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such an arabic expression. :P Gave me a smile.
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How was I self glorifying? by saying what happened to me?
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Your posts from this thread alone are sufficient in a way, if you really wanna get serious about it. Go through them.
There's also a LOL after that, tongue in cheek remark. Don't break your head over it.
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lol, I didn't understand either Gypsy, but let's just bask... in all our GLORY :D :D
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Self glorification?? Explain?
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U can be harrased only by a SUV on the road here or related to it.
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skdkak.... it is related in some way... cuz it seems all the cases presented here is against women.... how about men.... when can we say we are harrased?????
Amnesia is male version of Gypsy, self glorification at its best! LOL
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it will ^_^, I hope..
I've always been a positive person. Trust me though my stay in the UK was stressfull. I wanted to cry. 23 now and ready to take on the world. I'm sure it'll die down, but it wont be anytime soon.
For me my life is simple, I respect everyone who respects me.
As for getting angry, sometimes I do lose my temper, but it's at anyone, my anger is non-discriminatory LOOL.
I remember being parked on the road and this guy wouldn't go around. So I made a hand gesture to indicate, 'go around'.
The guy DID go around and parked next to me. I rolled down the window with a cold face and said "relax, my friend went to get his insulin, or 10 seconds too long for you?" He smiled and said "oh, sorry, and drove away".
By the way I think I have a european face so I have to deal with idiots too :P
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Ur latest comments need a seperate thread.
there are other issues in this thread already..
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Everyone.... why is it that when a man indecenly expose himself they call is harassment.... but when a woman does, they call it flirting...
I admire your way of thinking and really appreciate it. You're still very young and probably your stay in the west is keeping you high at the moment. Wonder if this will last for long. All it takes for you is to stumble by getting duped by a bad apple (an expat of course) and it won't take you much longer to show the dominance.
But, If you do stick to your ideology say a decade down the line, I can say for sure you would have made a lot of difference.
Cheers and God bless you!
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U need to b cautious and keep ur eyes open just like any cosmo city in the world. Landmark area is notorious.....Wifey told me a western woman was assaulted (sometime back)while the poor lady was going back in the evening on foot near landmark.
Life is too short and if u r not living on the edge then u r taking up too much space.
@knox, i don't know what you are talking about. I'm confused.
I am here as a person offering help. If you don't want my assistance why even say it? However yes, I do think you are living in paranoia at the moment.
Who am I? I'm just a guy who really wants his country to be seen in good light; however the only way we can do this is if we work hard to make it a better place.
That's why I wrote this thread, to get people to report bad occurances.
Yes there are those who get away with wastas, but I for one will never say "they're going to get away with it, so I might as well stay quiet".
Despite anyone's opinions of me, I'm here to help and if you need a Qatari on your side (as long as it's the right side), I'll do my best to help.
I want to kick corruption, arrogance, and anything unjust, out of Qatar!
@Rayzz, thanks for your kind words!
Yes I do consider myself part of the new generation. The generation of open minded people.
For example, when I first finished university, I came here wearing jeans and a nice shirt. I was sitting with some friends of my father (who were around 60 years old) and they all said "You have to wear a thobe or else nobody will respect you". Do you know what I replied? "If people don't respect me because I don't wear a thobe, then I never wanted their respect in the first place. In fact, if they underestimate me, that's even better for me, they wont know what is whizzing past them on the corporate ladder".
I don't think Knox meant I was getting a kick out of seeing people's suffering... if so.. I don't really know what to say...
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Well I don't agree with complaining about Qatar all the time either, but I think that harrassement here is a real issue and it's getting worse all the time. If we should complain about anything, it's that.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
To summarize, I guess what Knox meant was that Amnesia gets a kick out of listening to our woes and secretly enjoys hearing about expats' suffering. LOL.
Thats what I made out of it.
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KnoxColledge I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that Amnesia is lying about harrassement in Doha?
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
I still have a great respect for the older generation Qataris. They have seen what it was like 50-40 years back. They have seen the good days and the bad days. Whereas the younger generation has only seen the good days. The younger generation has been born with a golden spoon.
In the olden days even the labourers were getting good salaries as compared to now. Lets not go back into the past and lets focus on the present
Qryx - did you stop handbaging them already:)
I like the UAE idea....name and shame and kick 'em out.
I have never had an issue with a Qatari but I have had with
'diaspora groups'
I whacked someone on the Corniche who was about to grab me.
The Qataris I know are very distressed if they know if someone has upset me in their country.
Dont forget some people pretend to be Qatari when the aren't. this happened to a friend in a car accident. She got a Qatari on the phone PDQ - low and behold 3 mins later the 'rude Qatari' was a 'pleading Egyptian'
I'd like to give benefit of the doubt to Amnesia, he sounds like a pretty nice guy with head on his shoulders. Speaks a lot about the newer Qatari generation, a welcome change from the rest.
Also its not easy for one to PRETEND to be nice all the time, if somethign was fishy, it would have come out already.
What can I say if I am wrong, I guess its upto him and let one more have the fun! :)
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Sometimes I feel as if you are speaking about heaven and I am living in another galaxy. You are aware of everything but you seem to like reading other people's misfortunes. I dont know whether you are taking us for a ride or is it the other way around. Anyways sometimes I feel as if you are part of the Propaganda Machinery. Whatever facts people present I highly doubt you will ever accept them
If any of my comments have hurt you I would like to apologize in advance. And if I am wrong about my thinking of you then I would be very delightful to reconsider my views and opinions.
Everyone here has a story to tell. The story of injustice.
It was so funny for a discussion on a serious subject. It is better we have some sort of help desk or instant calling etc etc within the community and the closest available member need to go and help or sort out the matter.
I think some good locals should be made executive members of this group -- just in case anyone of us needs a wasta in dire concequences.
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That reminds me - Your wife own me a new windscreen Charansoi11 o:)
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Well they surely do it in UAE. But no names and pic's of locals dear.
Pic and names and details are all of expats. Its only initials of locals that is published.... Am i right there ?
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in the future if any of you women are assualted and nobody wishes to help. Send me a pm and explain the situation and I'll be a translator. :)
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skdkak..post their names and pictures in the newspapers..don't they do that in the UAE?
"She waited anothe two vehicles approch the place and suddenly took a big stone and smashed the windscreen of the SUV. he ran like hell and no problem after that so far:)"
Char lol. You're married to a fierce woman lol That was funny . She did the right thing though.
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I wonder if I ever said this on QL. I've been to the detention center at the capital police station once for 5 odd hours, back in 1999. Was way too proud of my new found youth and really short tempered then.
Was talking to my friend below his building late in the evening and my car was parked in such a way that it blocked another car from coming out. So this guy, a Tunisian, came down and wanted to take his car out. I moved my car few meters back to let him go, after that I put my car back in the place to where it was. This charlie probably didn't like it. He got out and told me to move my car from there. I told him there's no reason to do that, unless you want to park your car back in again. This lead to heavy arguments, followed by verbal abuses and almost into fist fight.
Apparently the guy has always been in and out of trouble (which I came to know much later) with the cops, so for a change he got a chance to be on the good side and called up the cops. I did my part too and reported to the traffic police of the incident. The traffic police told me not to bother about it and just go home, as they has better things to do than resolving such minor incidents. Little did I know that he had actually called up the capital police. When I was about to leave, he said to wait as the cops were on the way, I was pretty sure they won't come so I told him to take down my number plate and ask them to call me.
Next day in the office, I get a call from capital police and they asked me to come over as a complaint had been lodged against me. I went there and after 3-4 hours of questioning, they asked me hand over my stuff and then put me into a cell at the back, the dentention center. Apparently, the rule is if you are reported against, then its automatically its your fault unless proven otherwise. So if there is any problem, it is always wise to report first.
Anyhow, one good thing I did before handing over my wallet and cellphone, was to call a Sheikh friend of mine. Thru his wasta, he got hold of number of the complainant in matter of few hours and just told him to drop the case. The Tunisian guy didn't agree to it. Eventually, my friend said fine if you don't do that, do not blame me for whatever happens to you.
Rest is history, he got terrified and rushed to the police station and dropped the case. My friend and I were out by evening.
I know it wasn't right, but then I guess that was the only way to solve the issue. Else I'd be rotting in the detention center for next 3 months until the case was solved by the court, which could have led to possible deportation from Doha, not to forget the humiliation.
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I would always think our good friend Uncle Sam is sometimes going over board to have democracy and democratic policies in all these countries.. Now I am with Uncle for all he is upto.
I think any harrased lady should take a pic. of these despos and print in Gulf times or better in an arabic paper the very next day....
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A woman on our compound was severly assaulted and almost raped walking back from Landmark. :(
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
I always thought eve teasing, harasment, following and gesturing wrong things to a lady is rare in Middle east. After reading all these comments I am a bit spectical about what my wife would wear.
Oh!!! She can handle herself in the wrost of situations but this being a foreign country and without a wasta.. How can these guys be so despos even after 4 wives at home.
Charans.: I will keep note of stones dear. You dont find them handy at all places, mabe carry few in purse.
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I know one lady who got harassed in the Souq area. She was walking with a friend and a man came from behind and squeezed her bum and walked quickly passed them. You know what she did, she ran after the guy and beat and kicked the hell out of him...none of the people around them even tried to stop her..I guess they knew why!
Rayyz - Who can resist Gypsy?
Rayyz - and she didn't mentioned it to me until night time although it happened during the lunch break.
No offence but most of the time offenders are from the sub-continent. This is my observation.
Hot property indeed! LOL
Charan : That was really smart of your wife clubbed with bravery. Quick thinking too. Well done I must say.
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Gypsy - Next time slap him very very hard;)
Um, I left. I'm not sure what they did. Probably crumpled up the report and tossed it in the bin.
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So how did it all end?
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Novita, the Centre is where I was assaulted. I've also had a cab driver try and get in the back seat with me and I had to get out of the cab. I've had guys bang into my car to get my number, and I've been followed around City Center a couple of times. One guy actually grabbed my arm and I shouted at him to let me go.
Actually, I've never been assaulted by a local, for me it's always Indian or Pakistani's.
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Ahh!! No wonder I haven't been finding you at the Landmark recently. I've gotta start doing rounds of The Center now. I do wear a Thobe and a Ghattra at times to feel good and harrass housewives. :P
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Good idea ... will do that next time.
Gypsy _ one day a guy in a big SUV followed my wife from the work place (only a walking Distence for our House) and ask her to get in and made some obsecene gesture to her.
She waited anothe two vehicles approch the place and suddenly took a big stone and smashed the windscreen of the SUV. he ran like hell and no problem after that so far:)
Rayyz, I'd just been assaulted, was crying and using a translator to speak to the guy. Questioning him didn't really factor in at that moment. In fact I never even thought about the inappropriateness of the question till later when I had a chance to calm down.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
I have been followed few times by landcruiser drove by arab man in local attired (i dont want to pointing out he is Qatari just in case i offend Amnesia)on the way to school. But as soon as i parked the car next to the police car who patrol my son's school they normally drove away.
Used to do groceries in Megamart landmark ... in the early morning you will find few "arab local men in local attired" drove around the car park for ages with no reason. They asked wether i want a lift ??? They also followed me around the isle while i am doing the shopping.
I stopped going to landmark in the early morning ... i goes to The Centre instead. It seems OK.
Amnesia : Well the point still remains that not all Qatari's with vitamin W (and the fact remains is that most of them DO have it) do not use them. In 20 years of my stay in Qatar, my understand of Wasta is not 'priority and help', it means contacts at the top level to get things done or get you out of trouble. But yes, if we people don't speak then they will never know the outcome. It helps and has helped me in at least one case, although the offending party wasn't a Qatari, but could have had a big Qatari backing.
Gypsy : Interesting story indeed! I hope you haven't picked it from somewhere else. So what happened after that? Didn't you question them for asking such vulgar question?
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Amnesia - But no canning for women. Gypsy will be spared there for her indecent posts:)
Novita, virtually every woman I have met here has been harrassed at some point. Whether by having someone follow them around, or chase them in their cars, to being actually assaulted. This place is a powder keg waiting to explode.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
Any doctor in the world know of this medicine . It is purple colour and also use for burns. It is to heal the wound and to protect against infections.
Molesting or indecent exposure to a woman will earn you 6 canning shots. on 1st shot your skin will be split. No Joke.
I had a demostration vedio of sentence being carried out. I will search for it.
Illegal stay over 3 months, you will be gifted with 3 canes. I have seen a guy who got 3 cane shots for his overstay.
You are the 2nd person i know. I am sure there are more out there.
True everyone has a price even the vatican annuls marriages which it actually forbidden.
However in the fact of being harassed, one day, when I moved into my new home a daterto take the waster litter out on to the street - (was wearing knee lenght shorts) when a neighbour saw me she came reacing up the road waving her stick at me and shouting something incoherent and stood there makein grimaces of all kinds until I understood she was upset that I was in front of my house with half bare legs.
She frightened the daylights out of me as I thought something drastic had happened, only she did not want me to go on the street like that as there are many labourers working in that area and is was not decent..
So it's not just me they ask stupid questions to!
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
If you report like that to Police in Singapore. The other party is going straight to the jail until somebody bail him out:)They call it Women Charter.
@charan, sorry, I don't know about the acid, I was just told that they put some sort of chemical after whipping or canning to keep the wound visible. I don't know in which cases though.
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lol gypsy...anyone who've taken up anatomy/biology from their high school knows...:/ lol, so if i answered yes, means "I deserve it?"...geez, how lame...
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It is a lady i met from the coffee morning i attended outside the QL :D
LOL, or it was just me telling it under different names NOvita ;D
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
"it's true that in Singapore they'll whip you and put some acid to keep the cut alive,"
For certain offences like Vandalism, Rape, Harassement of Women. No wasta can you get off the hook.
Even Bill Clington tried it once as the President of USA. He only manage to reduce the sentence from 6 canes to 4 on that US teange who vandalised a car.
They don't put acid after canning. They put medicine for wounds.
The sentence is carried out with the supervision of a Government Doctor.
I have no idea, all I can guess is that since I'm not married I shouldn't know what a penis looks like, but since I'm Christian I'm a W*ore who deserves what she gets.
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
I know someone who have the same story exactly like yours. It must be a common story then ...
gypsy, what does marital status and religion got to do of being harassed?..does it mean if your marital status is single, its ok to be treated that way? and what about religion? what's with that?..
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HAHAHAHAHAHA Gypsy I almost fell off my chair!
On a side note, report the police too! :p
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I reported an assault incident to the police here once. All they did was ask me (after they asked me my marital status and religion) How I knew what a penis looked like. :S
"You don't have to like me for who I am but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." Ani Difranco
It's not childish its a fact.
As diamondgirl and others know, EVERYBODY has a price.
it's true that in Singapore they'll whip you and put some acid to keep the cut alive, but come now.
I love singapore. I love the atmosphere. I love the people. It is MUCH better than MANY countries in terms of the law, however at the end of the day, there can be wastas.
I wish I could go get a wasta in singapore, film it, and come back, however it'd cost alot and I don't want to end up behind bars with evidence to boot :(
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As far as i know ... there is not priority over queue in Singapore.
priority is for getting PR and Citizenship only. Thats all. Don't be childish to mention priority over queue.
One more thing Amnesia, .... something relevant to Harassement.This is what happened to me :
One day I was out on my balcony puting some clothes to dry there. I just saw an old woman ( not sure of her nationality) the opposite side. She started making gestures. I just ignored her, but I understand that she was trying to chase me from my own balcony. I swear by God Almighty that I have never done any voyeurism and I just hate that. But.... Do I have the right to use my balcony or not ??? that would be a shame not to be able to do that ?? I'm aware, that the woman could have called the police and could have invented a whole story, but I just don't care . Allah is the only protector:)
P.S : Thanks for the "cleanest cities " link.
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"God help you if you spit anywhere or eat a durian (stinky fruit but tasty) in public!"
No need the help of God. Just pay S$ 500.00 that all. No wasta can get you out of trouble there.
I'm with you frog. And it is because of this that I hope that we can all unite to report anything that bothers us.
Sadly there are those that will abuse their rights but we have to live with that until the country 'balances' out.
This old generation will die out.
We have to report abuse, report corruption, report bad food, report bad service. Report report report!
If nobody says anything, nobody can do anything.
As the rubber wrist band I'm wearing says. Stand up. Speak up.
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You're funny Charan... you say no wasta (wasta is priority and help by the way), then you say that 'Chinese have priority'.
So wait.. if I do anything in Singapore, like... get into a cue, it's the law that a Chinese person can go ahead of me? Not a very nice law now is it?
@Frog, I'm with you 100% ^_^ I really will never give up and have made it my mission to make Qatar a better place.
Oh the cleanest country in the world is Iceland, but Singapore does have some very strict rules. Last time I visited, I saw signs everywhere. Specifically read a sign which said 100 dollars (can't remember amount), for spitting nut seeds.
Here's a list of the world's cleanest cities.
http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/16/worlds-cleanest-cities-biz-logistics-cx_rm_0416cleanest_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000
I'd say that the most efficient transport is in Japan. I think their record for the underground is 8 years now with no delays or something.
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Frog - Morning to you also. I lived in Singapore for 15 years. Yes it is the cleanest country I ever known. No corruption. No racism. The one is most suited for the job (qualifications, Experience wise) will get the job irrespective of your colour or race. The most efficient public transport system.
Although cars the 2nd most expensive in the world:(
lol DG ... and make sure you not smuggle chewing gum into the country or you might get cane :P
Yeah, Singapore is very clean and God help you if you spit anywhere or eat a durian (stinky fruit but tasty) in public!
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All the biggest company in Singapore somehow always link to the first prime minister of Singapore or his relatives :D Surprise surprise.
Singapore has corruption like any other country. I've seen it firsthand.
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Good morning Char,
Really ? that's amazing ? I heard alot about Singapore.... they say also that this is the cleanest country ever seen ... is it true?
Anyway, .........
Amnesia, I just believe you, but when it comes to facts, Qataris would still use things such as "wasta". I hope Qataris will understand Inchallah that we're not here to invade their country.I've heard many times that phrase" I'm Qatari, and this is my country" ?? so what ? This doesn't mean you have the right to harm others.
I still believe ..... We may live all in peace : equals in duties and rights... here in Qatar .
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His father bought a house and their families were able to give each other wasta by jumping the que on the waiting list.
Don't you know chinese get priority in Singapore. It is the official gov. policy. go and research again.
No wasta in Singapore like what you have here.
EVERY country has wasta. Almost everybody has a price...and it's not always money.
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One of my best friend is from Shanghai and his father owns around 80% of the billboards around the city. His girlfriend is from Singapore and her father works in real estate.
His father bought a house and their families were able to give each other wasta by jumping the que on the waiting list.
That's wasta.
So now I'm telling you again. EVERY country has wasta. Huge or large. It just depends who you are.
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"Doesn't matter which country in the world you live in, Wasta goes everywhere."
Have you lived in Singapore. There is no wasta there. If you tried to do that, your sentence will be doubled and an additional chagre will be filed against you.
Don't tell me every country has wasta.
I guess my story didn't emphasize the fact that it was an expat vs. Qatari and that he was well known (and probably could have used a Wasta) but didn't.
Doesn't matter which country in the world you live in, Wasta goes everywhere. :D
I remember getting a Vodafone contract in the UK despite being rejected (because I had another two contracts already), however I jumped the cue of 20 people and had the contract opened because a friend was on the floor at the time. (In this case I was given a wasta, oh and I told my friend "are you sure its ok? I don't want to jump a cue". Just to point out I'm a nice guy :D)
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....can the former make a report and get full justice? Don't think so....
About the guy who was let off easily, Knox was talking about. You forgot to mention that very few Qatari's do not have the vitamin "W", Wasta!
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"So dude where is Justice?" carefull using these words,
u just insulted the system not the corrupted policeman. on the other hand i know qataris who are in prison for these kind of behavior
there is a difference between priority and injustice. everybody gets the priority in his country. but that does not mean when it comes to a corrupted policeman the injustice begins as if he represents the justice in the whole country.
and that is the case internationally.
thanxxx
I know a couple of Qataris who have served prison sentances, ( although relatively short), however this was for offences against other Qatari's.
My personal opinion is, I think it would be a whole different issue if it came to Qatari against Ex-pat.
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@knox, the point is that people make it seem like ALL Qatari's get away with doing something bad when it is not true.
Anyway, I've said my part and tried to show people that Qatari's DO get punished.
This man which I knew was a respected person and 50 years old and STILL got blamed despite being a good person.
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Nothing you can do but to bahave yourself at any time any place.
Amnesia I am going to narrate you a true incident
There are many egyptian flats near my house. One day one of the egyptian girl was getting off the school bus and there was a guy standing near the entrance of the building. When she reached the elevator inside the building he tried to give her a letter and she didnt take it. When the guy insisted she started crying, and screaming. The people of the other flats heard her cries they came out and gave the culprit some beating. By then someone had called the police and the police came and took the guy with them. Do you know what happened next? That guy was released the same day and the police told the father of the girl that the Qatari guy has promised that he will not harass anyone. So it is no use to press any charges against him.
I still meet that guy everyday and he tells me that even the police cannot harm him.
So dude where is Justice? As for the girl and her parents, they left that place and moved to another building.