What are the hotels and bars like in Doha

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If you want an idea about bars, clubs and restaurants then go to www.diningindoha.com - all the information you'll ever need! Good luck...

so what company is that your work for

Hmmm....ok u do that :-) Buh bye now !

of your comments have any thing to do with PRIVET's question of ["I am a single guy, like to go places where you can meet ladies of course, not into rolling drunk but enjoying the fine things in life."]

Can't you people find another thread for all of your arguments about the opposite sex? You ladies should just go ahead and title one forum "Male Bashers Anonymous" and stick to it. At least that will weed out the time wasters for Privet.

I just started posting on the QL forum and I am very disappointed with it's lack of substantive content. Too bad they dumped BangkokBob's forum. I will try to stick to the classifieds now.

Never been to Abu Dhabi but it is lowlife here compared to Bahrain. You are not really coming over here for the life...it's all about the money.

Take the money, shut up and go to Bahrain or Abu Dhabi twice a month. That's what I was told. Money will get you what you want in either place. Forget these uptight dames posting comments here. They came here for the money also. I brought my wife, as we met and were married in Bahrain. We will go there soon for visits. We could not be happier at the moment but nightlife is a real bollocks buster here I think.

You so funny. Dont have to wait to go to the bar ... i think practically everywhere in Doha if you are women married or not, all males always stare at you when you are out alone x

As a single girl ... are you not enjoying it lol??

Maybe that is why men are such jerks, from a woman's point of view. You gals need to get a life forget about men.

Bring your own. I did.

The last time I went to Villagio Oryx there was some guy standing outside the main doors taking pictures of girls as they walked past. I told security and they went out and gave the guy the boot. :P

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

I doesn't sound like it.

First of all there are some single intelligent solvent attractive ladies... but the men just come on too strong.....

I was actually chatting with a girlfriend saying we need to start a workshop to teach guys how to approach ladies.....

gosh I am running scared before they have spoken to me!

I got followed in Villagio Carrefour the last two times I went... and was dressed modestly... so you don't have to go to a bar for hassle.

Palomas is just too overwhelming and scary - management need to sort it out a bit. They do nothing about obnoxious behaviour.

Some guys here have no problems getting females - attitude and style

I agree to you gypsy. I do that also most of the time. Dont make eye contact and they wont bother you... see and hear nothing. Or else do the wushu thing.

Bars are cool, though I dont go there now (change of habit). But be sure to act and dress decently.

Sometimes I like weird things, that's why I can adjust easily :)

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ok, so im a guy. i dont like the bars here because there sleasy and nasty, i dont go out that much without company because i really wouldnt want to.

i will recant something that happened in palomas a few months ago.

so im out for a drink with a number of the make up girls at work, all of whom are married. there is this guy who will not take no for an answer and becomes how to say this politley 'overly flirtatious' in an agressive manner. which makes the girls feel uncomfortable, they have a word with me to see if i can make him back off, i have a word with him, at which point he shouts at me and tells me unless i back off his 'prospects' he is going to 'punch my lights out' its at this point all 4 of us decide to leave palomas and not return.

Let me clear things up a bit Serendipity, I don't want you to think that things here are all bad. You can go shopping by yourself, you can go for coffee and to a restuarant by yourself, I do this all the time. You may get harrassed, but chances are you'll be ok. Just don't make eye contact with any men.

Bars, I don't recommend, it's just not comfortable and you will get bugged.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Well put.

Serendipity, you have more friends than enemies.

I am a father of a girl so I can't help trying to be fartherly.

I know I shouldn't be but hey ho.

Be you.

Don't cry before you are hurt, go out there and live it.

If it is crap, learn from it and move on.

If you are here when mad Mrs JBH and Daughter No.1 is here you will have a ball.

Enjoy Serendipity.

And you Pikey.

You are good at getting thins accross, now for my fumblings

If the comments were from people with vastly differing cultural backgrounds to you then they are bound to differ from yours.

I am sure you will have view points on what you see happening within these cultures.

The thing in my oppinion about web forums is people can say things they would only think in real life.

Some of them, like me can't put themselves accross properly.

And some of them believe what they are saying and actually believe it is the way to be.

I'm sure you will be ok, you are strong willed and passionate and I am sure you would stand up for such injustices where ever you see them.

But we are all different.

This will sound a bit naff but;

George Washington said to someone I can't remember who;

"I disagree with everything you say, but I will fight with all my strength to defend your right to say it."

Hi gypsy u r here just for money stop being a troll on this forum and stop poking ur nose into other people's business.....

And now I'll reply in the same vein as Gypsy.

How I think things should be is for women to be able to do as I do back home, similar kinds of things to Gypsy. I mean she's talking back home, but I've also had experience of relative freedom in other countries, for example, working for organisations where friends/colleagues have changing shift patterns.

E.g. Your day off is when your best friend is working, so you can't go shopping together. You need to buy an outfit for an event, so you head to the stores by yourself, have a look around, make some purchases, and by now you're hungry and it's lunchtime and you want a sandwich and a coffee, or maybe you've been shopping all afternoon and it's now early evening, and you want to sit down, because your feet are aching, and get a glass of wine and a bite to eat. You're by yourself, you maybe feel a little awkward to be in the cafe bar sitting at a table by yourself, but you have a magazine or newspaper to read while you relax and recuperate.

I appreciate that's not necessarily going to be possible.

But I would have thought that maybe it would be possible to go out by myself and wait by myself to meet a friend or a group of friends at whatever venue we decided, whether it's a bar or restaurant.

Maybe I am too independent, maybe I am just too used to doing what I want and when I want?

I'm really starting to struggle with this.

Because I could understand if maybe a woman dressed in a very short skirt, with a very low cut top and dolled up to the nines and sitting in a bar by herself might be considered provocative (although I would never say that meant was asking for it).

But I'm finding it a struggle to get my head round the idea that a woman who is relatively conservatively dressed, who perhaps arrives alone at a bar or restaurant ahead of the rest of her friends is fair game to be subjected to a load of harassment.

To me, that's what I'm wanting, that's kind of my compromise standard as to how I think things should be for women.

Although it seems I'm going to have a very rude awakening.

JBH said: "I share most of your view points but i can't understand why you look for the very worst in what someone elses views are.

You can't make assumtions about people you don't know, it's just not right."

JBH, what I actually took exception to, was something Alexa said, there was no assumption on my part about it. In her most recent post, she said that she was simply "suggesting" that women didn't go out without male company.

That was not what she said in her original post, which I objected to. I wasn't assuming anything at all, as you say; I was simply responding to Alexa's comment, and I do quote precisely here, I made no assumptions whatsoever about this (although admittedly I later put the word "chaperone" in her mouth when she had referred to "male company"):

"I believe any self respecting lady will either go with male company or will stay away from those places."

Feel free to check back to page 1 and see that I'm not assuming this, I'm quoting her directly.

Personally, I think it's wrong to say that if a woman goes out without male company then she is not "self respecting". I'll admit, I do find that offensive.

How am I "looking for the worst" in that? I was genuinely offended to be thought of, as a single woman, as not being "self respecting" simply for the 'crime' of thinking a single woman should be able to go out to meet up with friends.

I'm a woman, I go out unaccompanied, and Alexa believes that makes me 'not a "self respecting" woman'. Can you not understand that I might be taken aback and even offended by such a slur on the character of single women, of whom I'm one?

JBH said: "How do you think things should be for women?"

Well, for starters, I'd rather people didn't automatically assume that a single woman who is out and about town, probably waiting to meet family or friends is not "self respecting".

I mean you accuse me of making assumptions, JBH, but that's a heck of an assumption on Alexa's part. Are you going to take her to task for making assumptions about the respectability or otherwise of single women?

And for the record, I'm not offended by your comments here. I'm simply responding to them.

And admittedly, I'm quite feisty about this issue. I'm a very independent woman. I've lived and worked in two different countries so far (one of them twice). I headed out to both those countries not really knowing anyone -- for one of the countries, I had briefly met some of my colleagues/classmates during a selection day. But I have travelled to those countries and to others without male company.

I'm heading out to Qatar shortly, and I don't know a soul over there (except the man who interviewed me in London, whom I briefly met).

I'm a bit concerned now, I mean, does embarking on this journey, as a single woman, without male company, to a different country, mean that other people will look down upon me and consider me to be lacking in "self respect"? Because that's the general impression that I'm beginning to get.

I really would appreciate some discussion about it, preferably without comments casting aspersions on the characters of single women, because I am getting a little concerned and need some reassurance.

I do appreciate that there are problems with men harassing women, but I'd just must rather that the problem was discussed by criticising the behaviour of the men who are doing it, and how they can be prevented or dealt with, instead of criticising the woman who is the unwilling 'victim' in all this.

Numbers and moving parts are where my skills lie.

I am no word smith.

So I don't always say things on here the way I would in speech.

So give me some lea way if I sound in some way offensive or such like.

I don't doubt it is very nice for you, for you all.

And in some cases dangerous.

I hope you come up with some solutions to make it more bareable and safer, because as I am sure you, inparticular are aware, it doesn't look like anyone else is going to.

In a couple of years when you are out on the razzle with my little girl you can pass them on to her.

I would like to hear how Serendipity thinks it should be though.

And no, I am not picking on her, I want to discuss.

But Gypsy, do you not have anything to say about how it should be?

Ok, it is not Canada, you can't change that, but also be gratefull it is not Birkenhead.

Did you read my post about what happend here last week?

You lived in Canmore Gypsy? Then why the H E double hockey sticks are you cheering for Ottawa and not Calgary??? One more fan and we could have won game six:(

BTW, my QL name reminds me of my favorite watering holes in Canmore.

If you are looking for women privet, do not wear dual pinkie rings and ask women what their "sign" is....

Have you ever dreamt during that stage that you would be transported "Back in Time"....

Oh...my..That's the Magic of Life. You never know "What's in store for you"

Good question JBH, let's look at my life in Canada and my life here.

In Canada (Canmore, Alberta), I used to go to play ultimate frisbee there twice a week. The field was a 20 minute bus ride from where I lived, and it came only a couple of hours a day. So usually on my way back home I would have about an hour wait till the bus came. So I would go to the pub by the bus stop and have a beer while I waited, no one talked to me.

Here if I walked into a bar and tried to have a drink I would be overcome with unwanted attention.

In Canada I could step into an elevator and not spend the entire ride staring at the floor so I didn't meet the eyes of any men.

In Canada I could wear a mini skirt and tank top and nobody ever said I was "asking for it" Nor was I ever attacked.

I could go on.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

I share most of your view points but i can't understand why you look for the very worst in what someone elses views are.

You can't make assumtions about people you don't know, it's just not right.

How do you think things should be for women?

Please discuss.

Then maybe we can have a proper respectfull discussion.

I will appologise in advance if I have managed to offend you again.

Forgive me for putting a word into your mouth Alexa, you actually said "male company".

But if a woman is single (i.e. unmarried, and without a fiance or boyfriend), then what does male company refer to if not some kind of chaperone? A male friend, a male companion? Either way by insisting on "male company" (whatever term you choose to describe him) means you're saying a single woman shouldn't go out unaccompanied.

And then again, you suggested women don't go out without having "a guy you trust accompany you". For a single woman, who is this random guy? He's not a husband, he's not a fiance, he's not a boyfriend. Okay, so he may be a trusted friend, but as a companion, he's also a chaperone, an escort.

Either way, whatever you want to call him, however you wish to refer to him, you are saying that "any self respecting lady will either go with male company or will stay away from those places".

I appreciate that a woman might be subjected to unwanted attention, and it's wise to be careful, and to moderate one's behaviour, and to do things like -- as Gypsy says -- meet friends in the lobby first. [Thanks for that tip, Gypsy, that's a very useful compromise.] But there's a big difference between saying those women are going to get harrassed, and then saying that the women aren't self-respecting, as if they somehow bring it on themselves. It's possible to be self-respecting and subject to harassment.

I mean what happens if you go out to the supermarket by yourself or with your children, Alexa? I've read reports of women being harassed and touched in a supermarket. Would you define yourself as lacking in self-respect for going to the supermarket unaccompanied, if while there you were subject to unwelcome attention and if some man even touched you? I'm thinking you might be quite offended if another woman suggested you were rather shameless and lacking in self-respect for going to the supermarket by yourself, without a male companion.

And if you're now agreeing with Gypsy, Alexa, that it is acceptable for a single woman to go out by herself, but to meet friends in the lobby, then that's different to what you were saying earlier, when you were saying that women shouldn't go out without male company. So that isn't "exactly what [you] were referring to..." it's very different.

LOL Serendipity, I do go to the bars to hook up with friends, but I always arrange it so that I go with someone or to meet someone in the lobby of the hotel. The couple of times I've gone and waited at the bar were awful! Once I was asked how much I cost and other times I've just had guys flock to me and ask me if I want a drink and they won't go away no matter what I say till my friend shows up...and if my friend is another girl, they still usually won't go away.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Gypsy, I wasn't meaning a single woman hanging out in a bar hoping to pick up guys.

What about if you are arranging to meet up with some friends? Back home it wouldn't occur to me that I couldn't set out to meet some friends.

I mean, if you're meeting friends in a public place, in a bar or restaurant, then someone arrives first, it might be you, or it might be a friend, sometimes you get there and a friend is already there (and maybe she or he has been feeling a little like a lemon waiting for the others), but sometimes it's you, and you end up waiting by yourself for a while before the others turn up.

Here, if my friends say, we're going to be in the pub/bar at about 8-ish, I wouldn't have any problem with going by myself to meet them there. Although, sometimes, friends who live at the other end of the street will knock on for me/or me for them, as we're passing on our way out, and we'll go to the venue together, but it's by no means obligatory to hook up with someone as you leave home, it's okay to meet people at the venue.

Are you saying that women can't even set out from their own homes by themselves to meet up with friends in a bar or restaurant?

Do people have to go round to one another's homes first in order to 'gang up' and go out en masse?

I'm a bit confused now.

Please can you clarify for me how on earth people manage to arrange a night out with their friends, if no one dares to go out in case they are the first person to reach the bar or restaurant?

Thanks

Cheers Aviduser, I agree completely, I can't stand the Arab guys in bars!

Serendipity, well I disagree with what Alexa says about going out with a male chaperone I would defintely NEVER go to a bar here alone. Only with girlfriends or guyfriends. This is because it's just so uncomfortable to stand in a bar here by yourself, everyone thinks you are prosititute and you start to feel like one.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Alexa said: "Serendipity, when I say a woman shouldn't go out here without a male it is because the guys here are a major pain the a.s And since we all know that,we should respect ourselves,and our sanity, enough to bring a "bodyguard"."

Again, I find this quite shocking, and also offensive.

I believe it's possible for a woman to be single and to respect herself (and also, incidentally, to expect others -- especially other women -- to respect her too).

If a single woman goes out by herself, without a husband or without a male chaperone that does not mean she has no self-respect, or that men are entitled to behave disrespectfully towards her.

With that kind of attitude, when even our married 'sisters' view single women as being not respectable, then no wonder the men have such skewed attitudes.

Instead of accepting such neanderthal attitudes, and blaming the single women for the men's lack of self-restraint, if you challenged that, instead of agreeing with it, then maybe one day things might become safer for all women, married and single.

Not all the Arab guys are like that. I believe you have met a few nice ones !!!.

Its just the ones continually cruising bars and bugging girls who have ruined it for everyone.

And I know that post sounds like Arab bashing and its not really meant to be, I blame the society that the guys come from.

Basically the emasculation of women in Muslim countries has led guys from those countries looking for alternatives, unfortuately due to the way these countries are set up they don't have the expierence or knowledge to properly communicate with women. And the women they do find out an about, for example in Doha are sometimes ladies out for a profitable night. This gives them totally the wrong impression, and means they don't know how to properly approach women.

Now if the guy has spent time in a western country, and experienced the abundance of western women in those countries then they learn to respect and understand what its all about.

Gypsy what say you on that prognosis ??

Cheers avid

Not all Arab guys are like that aviduser...It's just harder to find the ones that aren't.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Seems to be filled less with girls looking for a profitable night out, I met my girlfriend there. Saying that she was there with her single mates the other night and she and her friends were constantly hassled by Arab guys wanting you know what.

Basically Arab guys don't get it that no or piss off means leave me alone, this then spoils it for everyone else as a nice reasonabe man then trying to approch them is rebuffed because they are fed up with advances from slimy guys.

Sadly the Arab guys are there own worst enemy and I know that all the girls at work and all my girlfriends friends will not touch them.

If they actually worked out how to be pleasant and treat girls with a bit of respect and decency then they would get further but the patriarcal society that they are from, doesnt teach them the respect that they need.

Little sensitive paulstevenjennings? It was a joke. Get your panties out of a knot. :P

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Wow you love you generalize!

How can you make a statement like that? I quote " maybe only jerks decide to travel to the Middle East".

Put some thought it what you are saying and who you might offend.

I am not sensitive in the slightest about these things but you are way to cynical for you own good!

yes there is a large percentage of men who are jerks and there is just as large a percentage of women who are unbareable but not ALL so stop generalizing please.

"sits back and waits for the backlash"

didnt knw the situation ws so baddd out here :P

I don't know Corenellian, I think maybe desperation drives men to extremes, or maybe only jerks decide to travel to the Middle East. Who knows. :P

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Maybe you're right...coupled with a multiple personalities? I think it might be even worse...hehehe

Now I've done it...my buddy will be splurting verbs and adjectives towards me any moment now...gotta get ready before I get verbally drowned...lol

He never makes any sense of what he's saying, sometimes I wonder if he himself understands what he's talking about...poor fella. Maybe he had a bad childhood and his parents never used to listen to him, so now he's here to unleash his inner deprived child hehe.

C'mon, Cornellian. You know Sputnik always interjects these non-sensical one-liners whenever it's possible.

Hiya Buddy Sputnik...any news about cutesrk?

Just winding you up, buddy...hihihi

what do fruits have to do with this ? :S

Overtly overbearing and trying to prove oneself will never fetch one rewards....

What i noticed (in most places ive been, people that i know, things I've seen) that being a jerk/overbearing and generally obnoxious will almost guarantee you female company. (this is just observations, not fact). being nice doesnt get people anywhere.

(no assumptions on my own personal behaviour can be made based on these comments) :)

cheers

j

*edit - feel free to correct my observations*

But why do they become sex craved perverts ? I mean didn't they learn by now that being jerks won't get them girls and perhaps if they tried being more like gentlemen girls would actually talk to them ?

No. When you step off the plane you automatically become a sex craved pervert. I'm not kidding. All the single men here eventually become not worth talking to.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Yes, men who are single actually like to meet up with girls, whether that is in a one of those places or wherever - aint that normal?

Alexa: When you say: "I believe any self respecting lady will either go with male company or will stay away from those places," are you saying that women shouldn't be allowed out without a male chaperone?

Because that's what it sounds like, to me. And I find that prospect really, really, really scary. And what about single women who don't have a husband/fiance to chaperone them, should they just lock themselves away and stay hidden from view?

I find it alarming that you think any woman who isn't escorted by a male chaperone isn't "self respecting," I think that's a very warped sense of perspective you have there.

That a woman can have that kind of attitude makes it easier for men to turn around and say: "She was asking for it."

It's bad enough that there are men around with that kind of attitude, but another woman? I despair.

I have never been to a bar in Qatar with a healthy ratio of man/woman AND men NOT coming to pickup woman (or vice versa).

maybe because the places I can go are limited (no car).

(I hope so)

or maybe there simply ain't any in Doha. :/

a good book and satellite TV are less depressing.

hence I need the first books of the sci-fi & fantasy series sold in the bookshops.

Burnout.

Beware! :)

Yeah these things happen on a daily basis u know ... sad part is its never gonna stop ive been seeing it for yrs now ... and nothngs been done about it... Its just the mentality of guys here ......

That is absolutely true R7, I am a magnet for these guys. I don't doubt there are plenty of nice guys in Doha, but for some reason I never meet them.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Which bar did u meet the girl ?

This one guy, I kept telling him I wasn't interested and walking away and he kept following me around! Eventually I had to get my guy friend to escort me out of the bar incase he tried to follow me out!

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

As always i need to say this - WHatever u guys r sayng here does'nt apply to all men here in doha !!!! U've just been around the wrong crowd i guess.. especiall u Gypsy :P u always seem to run into what every 1 else is running away from

LMAO i know ! first u say it politely, and they're still standing there ! and then u repeat it (thinking maybe he didn't hear me the first time) and yet he's still standing there talking ! I think guys over here have major hearing problem or understanding problem...i think it's both !

And what is it with the guys here that when you say "No, I don't want to talk with you, go away" they think you've just invited them to sleep with you??

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

I know exactly what u mean Gypsy, let's face it, it's like that in most places in Qatar...everyone stares! I think it's like a hobby or something. But I mean abroad everyone goes to bars, it's a normal thing...over here it's mostly (if not all) guys who want to get laid and chicks who are looking for a profitable night go, and that's why most of us normal people stopped going...sucks...

What's offensive about it. It's true, there's almost no chance of finding Mr. Right here. :P

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

I read my last post.

it could be taken as a little offensive.

I is not intended to be as such.

just good humoured.

Burnout.

Beware! :)

Hallelujah! Someone else who's noticed that all the guys here have the mental maturity of a 13 year old boy! But really, I can't stand going to bars anymore because I feel like I'm walking naked through a church! Everyone stares!

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

1 to 28 I read.

and the chance its the right one for you?

pffftt!!

:D

Burnout.

call me a realist, call me a pessimist but don't call me a a daydreamer.

Beware! :)

The ratio 20:1 isn't a bad thing at all if only they were real men! Just a bunch of jerks who think if a chick goes to a bar then she's automatically easy to get....I wonder how many years it'll take to change that kind of mentality in Qatar...arghhh....

I read someplace the ratio of woman man here was the worst second in the world.

but then, statistic wise, you only need to find it once I guess.

and then again, you are as likely to meat her/him on the moon.

not that it is very different from here (think heat, sollar radiation, lack of water).

but you again at least get to share a place for 5 days (transit).

here, you could meat inside two cars going different directions.

sounds desperate?

it is. :))

Burnout.

Beware! :)

A bar in Qatar filled with Ladies! Keep dreaming! The man-woman ratio in Qatar is 20-1.

I feel your scorn and I accept it-Jon Stewart

Well I am 31, and have no preference for Nationality. When you say "it is possible" it sounds like a tough task, surely the bars are filled with ladies - but yeh if you don't talk to em you probably will not get anywhere!

Are there actually peole in the bars?

Privet!

Well I am 31, and have no preference for Nationality. When you say "it is possible" it sounds like a tough task, surely the bars are filled with ladies - but yeh if you don't talk to em you probably will not get anywhere!

Are there actually peole in the bars?

Privet!

My spiderman will keep dancing, although I do have the Queen mum dancing so she might make an appearance soon !!!

Thanks for adding me as one of your buddy!

Just keep dancing, it will do you good!

I have a pending buddy request in your buddy list status!

Just keep dancing, it will do you good!

Look I work in a company full of single girls, my girlfriend has loads of single friends, I met my girfriend here. So yes it is possible, yes you can find girls here and yes they are nice.

Come to the point.

DO u find gals out here or not?

Oh dear if you are single you could end up like every other single person on the forum and bemoaning the lack of available women, men.

I happen to know that RIGHT NOW in a certain bar in Doha my girlfriend is out with two of her SINGLE friends who are desperate to find a nice MAN. Hear that guys RIGHT NOW in Doha there are SINGLE girls wating for you to just talk to them. They are Korean but their english is excellent and they are cute. My girfriend is Korean I met her here and I am very happy. And I met her HERE.

So how will you find it, well if you make the best of it you could love it, its pretty chilled out here and if you are used to having your friends and family around you could hate it. I went through a period of hating the place, even after I had met someone here, but then I chilled out sat back and looked at it in perspective. There are worse places and better places but if your heart is in the right place and you make peace withyourself about your motives and needs being here then you could possibly learn, if not to love it then to like it.

Things are improving, global DJs every fortnight is an excellent pressure release, more bars will be open soon and things are gradually improving.

In my case I did hate it last August I wanted to leave, but last week I brought a place here. !!!!!

Make friends.. Meet a girl (I might just tell you that bar) and you could really have a good time.