but they have stagnated and not evolved....hence they are nearly useless in a real fight today.....sure you can use some of the techniques, but when was the last time you saw someone in a bar fight drop into a horse stance and drop their fists to their waist?
Whoami, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but even brazilian jujitsu is not self defense....its great in a ring, but dangerous against multiple opponents, or when there is a chance for concealed weapons (like in the real world).
Anyway guygs, my intent is not to put down any art....they all have something to contribute....I was just highlighting the real difference between martial arts and self-defense.
Stay safe all.
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To state that martial arts aren't self defence sytems is a strong generalization, specially if you think that Damo and the Shaolin monks developed this self defence art just to defend theirselves and centuries later great bushi further developed those arts in ju jutsu and aiki jutsu for hand to hand combat and later again japanese lay people adopted and developed this chinese boxing into what came to be known as karate and its need was to defend theirselves from armed and or unarmed assailants, and yes in tiny alleys in stairwells and not in elevators, at that time.
Master Gichin Funakoshi recognised the benefits of this chinese boxing and decided to formally record this system of self defence for the benefit of all.
Took him a few years to decide on the name of karate, before that he called it ToTe Jutsu.
After the WW2 many Japanese martial arts moved from "jutsu" to "do" , that was when the practice of martial arts become sports or just oneself life training in whatever martial art he or she had chosen.
Many instructors of many different style by own choice or by the twist of memory shrink teaching methods and syllabus, losing parts of those self defence systems, making those style less effective in "real situation".
It is definetely up to the "would be student" to know what he or she wants to learn for what reason and try out the style to see whether she/he likes it or not.
My daughter, will be 12 in Aug, and will be grading for jnr black in june, like many other karate students of the same age, is more confident ,more disciplined,with better concentration than her peers who do not practice martial arts, and who knows maybe one day it can save her life or she can save someone else's .
Yes I agree that some have ceratin aspects that can be incorporated into self defense....the "arts" themselves have rigid rules, which automatically disqualifies them as being applicable in a real attack.
Actually I have met many Martial artists who ARE very capable of defending themselves....that's not what I was implying....I was merely cautioning against those uncrupulous types who advertise their martial arts (along with gis, katas, tournament techniques) etc as "self-defense"....which they are not.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
well as far as the internet definition of self defense is concerned, part of it says:
"Many styles of martial arts are practiced for self-defense. Some styles train almost exclusively for self-defense, while others are practiced for other reasons and not intended for self-defense at all."
So i dont know how does that contradict my statement, if self defense system is simply a branch or a kind of practice of Martial arts. Self defense systems are also derived from martial arts itself.
So i guess the statement "....martial arts are NOT self defense...." is not entirely true. There are styles or branches for sports or competitive uses, and some for self defense.
Just wanted to clarify that.
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It depends on the child in question, but usually around 6 is a good benchamrk because their physical characteristics are at sufficiently developped stage (balance, strength, flexibility,coordination, etc...).
My honest advise is to NOT start them in contact martial arts (even sports ones with rules and protective equipment)....the best one to start off with is JUDO....and no I don't have a dojo to teach it so its not self promotion....its because Judo will give them a good foundation to build on, and teach them good skills even if they do not go on to do other martial arts (like how to break a fall and not hurt themselves playing, etc...). Then when they are older, you can look into any other martial art they show interest in.
But just a reminder...to kakshi and all others....martial arts are NOT self defense....I repeat, they are sports and are not for self defense if you get attacked in an alley, elevator, stairwell, etc... by an attacker who will not follow any rules is just inent on hurting you! So just be aware! If you really want to learn to protect yourself then you need self-defense systems and NOT martial arts.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
To start any martial art it is required to know basic directional concepts and have extremely basic coordination which most of children have developed by the age of 7-8.
For younger ones the classes are very different, because they learn these skills while being introduced into the martial art itself, also this type of class is very short in time due to the children attention span.
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but they have stagnated and not evolved....hence they are nearly useless in a real fight today.....sure you can use some of the techniques, but when was the last time you saw someone in a bar fight drop into a horse stance and drop their fists to their waist?
Whoami, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but even brazilian jujitsu is not self defense....its great in a ring, but dangerous against multiple opponents, or when there is a chance for concealed weapons (like in the real world).
Anyway guygs, my intent is not to put down any art....they all have something to contribute....I was just highlighting the real difference between martial arts and self-defense.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
Brazilian Ju Jitsu is the only way
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Sorry Novi, just saw your question.
I enrolled her in a McDojo some years ago that was so bad I pulled her out.
I have tried to get her to do it sagain since but with no luck.
To be honest I don't think she needs it, anyone who crosses her will find out what I mean.
LOL
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To state that martial arts aren't self defence sytems is a strong generalization, specially if you think that Damo and the Shaolin monks developed this self defence art just to defend theirselves and centuries later great bushi further developed those arts in ju jutsu and aiki jutsu for hand to hand combat and later again japanese lay people adopted and developed this chinese boxing into what came to be known as karate and its need was to defend theirselves from armed and or unarmed assailants, and yes in tiny alleys in stairwells and not in elevators, at that time.
Master Gichin Funakoshi recognised the benefits of this chinese boxing and decided to formally record this system of self defence for the benefit of all.
Took him a few years to decide on the name of karate, before that he called it ToTe Jutsu.
After the WW2 many Japanese martial arts moved from "jutsu" to "do" , that was when the practice of martial arts become sports or just oneself life training in whatever martial art he or she had chosen.
Many instructors of many different style by own choice or by the twist of memory shrink teaching methods and syllabus, losing parts of those self defence systems, making those style less effective in "real situation".
It is definetely up to the "would be student" to know what he or she wants to learn for what reason and try out the style to see whether she/he likes it or not.
My daughter, will be 12 in Aug, and will be grading for jnr black in june, like many other karate students of the same age, is more confident ,more disciplined,with better concentration than her peers who do not practice martial arts, and who knows maybe one day it can save her life or she can save someone else's .
Hi Ragnarock raider,
That makes sense then! Thanks!
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Yes I agree that some have ceratin aspects that can be incorporated into self defense....the "arts" themselves have rigid rules, which automatically disqualifies them as being applicable in a real attack.
Actually I have met many Martial artists who ARE very capable of defending themselves....that's not what I was implying....I was merely cautioning against those uncrupulous types who advertise their martial arts (along with gis, katas, tournament techniques) etc as "self-defense"....which they are not.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
hi ragnarock raider,
well as far as the internet definition of self defense is concerned, part of it says:
"Many styles of martial arts are practiced for self-defense. Some styles train almost exclusively for self-defense, while others are practiced for other reasons and not intended for self-defense at all."
So i dont know how does that contradict my statement, if self defense system is simply a branch or a kind of practice of Martial arts. Self defense systems are also derived from martial arts itself.
So i guess the statement "....martial arts are NOT self defense...." is not entirely true. There are styles or branches for sports or competitive uses, and some for self defense.
Just wanted to clarify that.
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It depends on the child in question, but usually around 6 is a good benchamrk because their physical characteristics are at sufficiently developped stage (balance, strength, flexibility,coordination, etc...).
My honest advise is to NOT start them in contact martial arts (even sports ones with rules and protective equipment)....the best one to start off with is JUDO....and no I don't have a dojo to teach it so its not self promotion....its because Judo will give them a good foundation to build on, and teach them good skills even if they do not go on to do other martial arts (like how to break a fall and not hurt themselves playing, etc...). Then when they are older, you can look into any other martial art they show interest in.
But just a reminder...to kakshi and all others....martial arts are NOT self defense....I repeat, they are sports and are not for self defense if you get attacked in an alley, elevator, stairwell, etc... by an attacker who will not follow any rules is just inent on hurting you! So just be aware! If you really want to learn to protect yourself then you need self-defense systems and NOT martial arts.
Stay safe all.
Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?
To start any martial art it is required to know basic directional concepts and have extremely basic coordination which most of children have developed by the age of 7-8.
For younger ones the classes are very different, because they learn these skills while being introduced into the martial art itself, also this type of class is very short in time due to the children attention span.
Thnaks Novi and JBH.....I will take your advice....Ill wait till hes 4 or 5...
does your daughter still doing it?
oh we badly need those jutsus indeed for self defense, specially in this part of the world... and specially for the ladies, you all need this.
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I'll second that.
I started my daughter too early, she was six.
I depends on the child though, but three is too young in my humble opinnion
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nadt... i think thats way too early. The korean tae kwon do where my son goes for the past 2 years take the kids with 5 yrs as minimum age.
Is there any basic classes for three year olds or is that considered too early?