Are you a non-muslim and still fasting?

I had realised that so many non-muslem whom mentioned that fasting is so hard to stand may have not realised that there are some rules to be followed in order to stand being without food and liquids from dawn till sunset.

1- You should try avoiding eating heavy or chilly types of meals. And not to load the stomach with more than its capacity.

This practice has to be followed in general.

The prophet Mohd. used to start breaking his fast by drinking some milk and few pieces of dates. Then he goes for prayer. Then he return to his meal.

Its medically proven that once you eat any meal. You will start to lost the feel of hunger after around 15 - 20 min.

So if you start your meal with a minor quantity and leave it for few min. You will return back with much less eagerness to eat, where you can just eat so reasonable quantity which is suitable for your stomach. Hense you will never suffer from any stomach problems during the evening.

2- I am sure that most non muslems are not aware that there is another lighter meal that has to be taken later on?

As muslems, its recommended to drink some water just before dawn's time. And it's highly recommended to eat some light meal before the dawn time or 2 - 3 hours before, such as high protin food or green salads and yougort ..etc. NOT HEAVY OR CHILLY MEALS.

Otherwise you may suffer from dry throat or hunger during the day time and you may feel dizzy as some had mentioned.

3- You must try not to expose yourself to sports or being under heat as possible. TO avoid losing lots of water from your body.

If you follow these simple rules, I assure that you will never face any problems, neither feel thisty or exhausted.

Of course you may feel some hunger near breakfast , but this does not mean at all that you had lost all your energy and near to collapse.

On the contrary , i always feel my stomach so comfortable during fasting times.

Fasting is not just to prohibit food and drinks. As Army001 posted earlier , its to control our thoughts, words, behaviour and actions. Its like a spiritual training more than just to be banned from food, drinks and sex during day times.

Regards to all who had shared in the above posts

what is todays topic .. Fasting .. mmm .. it's so simple if u can do it and u r sure that it's not harmful then that's fine if u can't and u think it's harmful just respect other ..

That's all .. so easy ..

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Thanks Shakib for the looooooooooooooong cut and paste posting. I am sure some of them might complain its too long. And some would say that its not enough and some others would question the credibility of this report and some would question the source.. and some others would come up with some other excuse not to accept it.

And for those more optimistic - I hope this info would be of use. :-)

ARMY.

"Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you do when nobody's watching "!

for these that say feasting is harmful, or not drinking water could be harmful kindly read the following article:

Medical Aspects Of Islamic Fasting

Why Islamic Fasting Is Different Than Other Types of Fasting (ref. 7)

1. As compared to other diet plans, in fasting during Ramadan, there is no malnutrition or inadequate calorie intake since there is no restriction on the type or amount of food intake during Iftaar or Sahar. This was confirmed by M.M.Hussaini (ref. 6) during Ramadan 1974 when he conducted dietary analysis of Muslim students at the University of North Dakota State University at Fargo. He concluded that calorie intake of Muslim students during fasting was at two thirds of NCR- RDA.

2. Fasting, in Ramadan is voluntarily undertaken. It is not a prescribed imposition from a physician. In the hypothalamus part of the brain there is a center called "lipostat" which controls the body mass. When severe and rapid weight loss is achieved by starvation diet, the center does not recognize this as normal and, therefore re-programs itself to cause weight gain rapidly once the person goes off the starvation diet. So the only effective way of losing weight is slow, self-controlled, and gradual weight loss by modifying our behavior, and the attitude about eating while eliminating excess food. Ramadan is a month of self-regulation and self-training in terms of food intake thereby causing hopefully, a permanent change in lipostat reading.

3. In Islamic fasting, we are not subjected to a diet of selective food only ( i.e. protein only, fruits only etc). An early breakfast, before dawn is taken and then at sunset fast is broken with something sweet i.e. dates, fruits, juices to warrant any hypoglycemia followed by a regular dinner later on.

4. Additional prayers are prescribed after the dinner, which helps metabolize the food. Using a calorie counter, I counted the amount of calories burnt during extra prayer called Traveeh. It amounted to 200 calories. Islamic prayer called Salat uses all the muscles and joints and can be placed in the category of a mild exercise in terms of caloric out put.

5. Ramadan fasting is actually an exercise in self discipline. For those who are a chain smoker, or nibble food constantly, or drink coffee every hour, it is a good way to break the habit, hoping that the effect will continue after the month is over.

6. Psychological effect of Ramadan fasting are also well observed by the description of people who fast. They describe a feeling of inner peace and tranquility. The prophet has advised them "If one slanders you or aggresses against you, tell them I am fasting". Thus personal hostility during the month is minimal.

It is my personal experience that within the first few days of Ramadan, I begin to feel better even before losing, a single pound. I work more and pray more; physical stamina and mental alertness improve. As I have my own lab in the office, I usually check my chemistry, that is, blood glucose, cholesterol, triglyceride before the commencement of Ramadan and at its end. I note marked improvement at the end. As I am not overweight, thank God, weight loss is minimal. The few pounds I lose, I regain soon after. Fasting in Ramadan will be a great blessing for the overweight whether with or without mild diabetes (type II). It benefits those also who are given to smoking or nibbling. They can rid themselves of these addictions in this month .

Fasting For Medical Patients: Suggested Guide-line (ref. 10)

As mentioned earlier, patients are exempt from fasting. But some do decide to fast. For physicians treating Muslim patients, the following guidelines are suggested.

a. Diabetic Patients: Diabetics who are controlled by diet alone can fast and hopefully with weight reduction, their diabetes may even be cured or at least improved. Diabetics who are taking oral hypoglycemia agents along with the diet should exercise extreme caution if they decide to fast. They should reduce their dose to one-third, and take the drug not in the morning, but with Iftar in the evening. If they develop low blood sugar symptoms in the daytime, they should break the fast immediately. Diabetics taking insulin should not fast. If they do, at their own risk, they should do so under close supervision and make drastic changes in the insulin dose. For example, eliminate short acting Insulin altogether and take only NPH or Lantus in after Iftar or before Sahoor. Diabetics, if they fast, should still take a diabetic diet during Iftar, Sahoor and dinner. The sweet snacks common in Ramadan are not good for their disease. They should check their blood sugar before breakfast and after ending their fast.

b. Hypertensive or Cardiac Patients: Those who have mild to moderate high blood pressure along with being overweight should be encouraged to fast, since fasting may help to lower their blood pressure. They should see their physician to adjust medicines. For example, the dose of water pill (diuretic) should be reduced for fear of dehydration and long acting agents like Inderal LA or Tenormin can be given once a day before Sahar. Those with severe hypertension or heart diseases should not fast at all.

c. Those with Migraine Headache: Even in tension headache, dehydration, or low blood sugar will aggravate the symptoms, but in migraine during fasting, there is an increase in blood free fatty acids, which will directly affect the severity or precipitation of migraine through release of Catecholamines. Patients with migraines are advised not to fast.

d. Pregnant Women (Normal Pregnancy): This is not an easy situation. Pregnancy is not a medical illness, therefore, the same exemption does not apply. There is no mention of such exemption in Quran. However, the Prophet said the pregnant and nursing women do not fast. This is in line with God not wanting anyone, even a small fetus, to suffer. There is no way of knowing, the damage to the unborn child until the delivery, and that might be too late. In my humble opinion, during the first and third trimester (three months) women should not fast. If however, Ramadan happens to come during the second trimester (4th-6th months) of pregnancy, women may elect to fast provided that (1) her own health is good, and (2) it is done with the permission of her obstetrician and under close supervision. The possible damage to the fetus may not be from malnutrition provided the Iftar and Sahoor are adequate, but from dehydration, from prolonged (10-14 hours) abstinence from water. Therefore it is recommended that Muslim patients if they do fast. do so under medical supervision .

N.F SHAKIB

it would be worth it to know if the non-Muslims observe the days of fasting during their respective faiths or even if they are aware if it exists, the results would surprise everyone. The thing is that with fasting being strictly enforced in this region u may be inclined to experiment with it or more so abide with it. Just my observation. I fast a bit too but as a form of penance not because its healthy or to develop a stronger character (that one develops with a lifetime....u may be aggressive and strong character but is it the right one for u and those around u? ), individual gains in any form are good but share a thought and prayer and importantly deed for those deprived of their basic needs we take for granted. peace with u all.

I also heard more water also flushes out some important nutrients from the body.

Diamond Girl - a good thought! It would make sense .. Would love to see that day when it would be a reality here!I guess some of the fanatic folks might have an issue with that!

ARMY

"Work like you don't need the money, Love like you've never been hurt, and dance like you do when nobody's watching "!

My opinion is perhaps a step further than that Army, as I don't really think people who eat and drink during Ramadan should have to hide away to do it.

Ramadan Mbarak to you!

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Love is the answer...

Agree with you! I used to be a trainer in my last assignment. In my training sessions during Ramadan - I used to make it a point to have food and drinks served for all those who dont fast. TO respect the people who fast - i just made sure that it was in a separate room. Thats it. None of the people who fasted had any issues or complaints at all! I think a lot depends on the guys who lead/ manage the firm. I run the operations in my company and I get to call the shots and I do make sure that none of the guys who dont fast are in any way affected. I wish people were more considerate and tolerant!!

ARMY

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

I do feel that there is something wrong about closing down all eateries and not allowing eating and drinking in public. Perhaps it started years and years ago when everyone was Muslim in the country before the arrival of expats. I really don't know. But it's high time that this was revised.

Myself, as a normal average human being who fasts, have no problem with others doing so around me and I would venture that MOST others would feel the same. There's always, of course, people who would object, aren't there. Why?

For those who are banned from eating and drinking in the workplace, try to set up a room for that purpose.

I mean, come on, as well as non-Muslims, lots of Muslims don't fast, Muslim women don't when they are menstuating. Pregnant/nursing women may not be fasting. The list goes on.

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Love is the answer...

I agree with DIamond girl. Its not fair imposing these rules on guys who dont fast. There should be proper facilities in the work place for non muslims to eat without having to hide and eat. In my company we have every thing as usual itself for all the staff - where in they can eat and drink as they wish - no restrictions. The only restriction we have imposed is when a visitor comes in. THe people fasting in our office are comfortable and fine with it. I am sure there are many companies with similar options. But some of these guys who manage the companies dont understand the spirit and are very inconsiderate. I agree. Cant do any thing but sympathize! Sorry guys :-( This should not be the case.

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

Qatar Dolly - no one is going to deny the fact that fasting does make you tired and weak. Thats the whole point of fasting. When one is tired, hungry thirsty and weak, it is easy to loose ones temper and act in a rash way etc.. The whole point is to train ones body and mind to control all these emotions, urges, desires. Its a training program - now some might be successful in it - some might not. I myself have had plenty of bad experiences with some of these so called "pious fasting folks" with their temper and arrogance! And I have asked a few of them even - whats the whole point in their fasting if they cant even follow the basic courtesies while on road or on public places. Some fight back - some just walk off. But at the same time - I have come across many people who embrace it properly and fast in the right sense and it is indeed a very pleasant experience to interact with them. Now - I am sorry that most of your experience were negative. But venture out - you would find the other side of the coin which is much better!

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

Oryx, you are correct with the labors issue. Infact - if you analyze the proper teachings in Islam - it is not complusory for people enduring very hard physical labor/ work to fast. If they wish - they need not fast and its perfectly fine and allowed in Islam on this matter and yet they would be rewarded! The beauty of Islam is that it has actually considered all these practical aspects and covered all of it.

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

I did ready it...but I glossed over it for the following reasons:

a) In a cut and paste job, you don't know what's taken out of context and what's not.

b) You don't know if the text has been altered in any way.

c) You don't even have the authors definition of fasting (which may not include water for example).

Having never read the book in question myself, I didn't want to comment on it. I did however receive specific instructions from my Nutritionist to the contrary.

Now if there is a medical professional on these boards offering advice and can answer my specific questions about abstaining from water in 38 Degree heat for 12 hours and how that is healthy for you....then I will ceratinly re-evaluate my position....until then, I simply caution readers not to believe what is being passed off as healthy advice in this thread!

You must differentiate between those fasting out of religious beliefs (who I support even if I don't share their beliefs)...and those advising all (under false pretenses) to try it because its "healthy"...who I think are doing the public a disservice.

I guess in the end everyone has to make up their own mind.

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

Ragnarock - I think another member has posted extracts from a doctors comment on the same matter and its even a published book. And infact there are many other Doctors who have commented on similar lines which you can easily find from a google search. DOnt want to copy paste too many stuff here and bore others. I think the facts have been lined up here by more than one poster and hence pls refer to it. No point in repeating it.

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

I am not against those who want and choose to fast...I respect everyone's right to choose...and I hope my parents did a better job of raising me than to be an incosiderate lout, flaunting food and water on purpose in front of those who are fasting....i'm just saying a room to go get a drink would just be nice that's all....it would give everyone a choice...or a discreet sip when pulled over in a car (without the threat of arrest) if you are very thirsty would be nice.

Having said all that...to all those who are fasting (and even to those not fasting)...Ramadan Karim!

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

When we you all talk about 'healthy' when it comes to fasting do you mean that you loose weight? I have it on good athority that eating small meals 5 or 6 times a day is actually the best way to loose weight. It gets your metabolism working continuously instead of loosing gumption part way into the day as it waits for the next meal.

If that is not what you mean then I guess disregard this.

Actually several people told me they really enjoyed fasting during the day because it gave them a break from all the evening feasts - they had spent all weekend eating and were already fed up of eating so much!

One thing is 'fasting' and sleeping all day .....

but if you are a labourer in this heat outside all day and it is VERBOTEN to drink water... no i can't condone that..

There are enough work place accidents here, dehydration sets in very quickly and impairs your thought process. These workers should be having liquids.

Please if anyone feels poorly drink some water/tea and do that fast day another time.

Ragnarock Raider...I am of the opinion that food and beverages should be available as normal during this month. I'm sorry your workplace does not permit this. I think workplaces are supposed to provide a room for eating and drinking but I'm not sure about this?

I guess the people who fast should comment about their state of health during this month. I have been fasting for years and have suffered no ill effects. In fact my physician has noted that my liver and kidneys are usually in better shape after Ramadan.

Perhaps its the way one approaches it. Certainly overeating in the night hours is not the best way to fast. That's obvious!_______________________________________________________

Love is the answer...

I never claimed to be a doctor, nor have decisive evidence one way or another....I did however say it was my NUTRITIONIST who said to try and not go 4 waking hours without water. Pointing out that no one has died thus far (that we know of) is hardly proof one way or another. Now you MAY know more than my nutritionist (again I don't know you or your qualifications)...but if you (and others) wish to pass this off as healthy medical advice, then please post your credentials and qualifications and silence all doubt about the matter....until that time, forgive those of us who are skeptical because of Medical advice received from professionals to the contrary!

Also...Greeker you have many valid points, and I especially like your to each his own approach....but that was another major point of my post, this is not the case....its hypocracy at work, since some of us have no choice in the matter....unfortunately your thread title should be ammended to al those non-muslims who have no choice but to fast during Ramadan!

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

I never chided you for your comments in here, did i? Did i ever discourage you from speaking your, or anybody's for that matter, mind here in the forum? If i had, this thread would not have grown so long. And as far as i can see, there hasnt been any fights so far. Just peaceful dialogue.

So, welcome back to the thread and you are free to speak what you may. Since i dont personally know you, i can only base my comments on what i have observed about you and your profile. Just understand that its nothing personal!

Please!

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From that list, how was i supposed to know that you were born and raised in the middle east? As far as i know, Vatican city is not in the middle east, its in Europe.

But if what you say is true and you WERE raised in the middle east, then i apologise for telling you "You may not yet be ready to live in this part of the world".

If you could confirm that you WERE born and brought up in the middle east, then i shall remove the offending (???) comment of mine. Not a penny more, not a penny less. I think that is fair!

I personally suffered and I felt really weak and ill and couldn't get my sleep back on track for a long time after each Ramadan for years! And mind it, I did my best to fast in a healthy way, not eating a lot of heavy food and breaking my fast with dates and water. And as it is I know plenty people who felt the same way.

And regarding you telling me that I am not ready to live in this part of the world - well I didn't choose to be born and raised in the Middle East. So which part of the world do you suggest I move to?

How come it's ok to preach the benefits of Ramadan fasting and even to encourage non Muslims to try it "because it makes you feel great" (what a lie!) but it is decidedly not ok to point out the drawbacks?? Feel free to disagree with me, Greeker, but also please try to go easy on "you are not ready for this part of the world" comments.

With due respects to all that you had to say, i wish to say so much.

Fasting for ramadan is a custom that has been followed for centuries. So far, to my knowledge, i havent seen or heard anyone dying, let alone physically suffering as a direct result of fasting. Speaking from personal experience, i havent been feeling too bad either.

And so, miss, unless you can find me someone who actually suffered, i dont and wont agree that it is unhealthy.

Unhealthy is as you make it out to be! But i sure am surprised at the amount of bitterness (if it is that) you have towards it. If you dont agree to it, just dont do it. And if you cannot do without it, then sad as it may be, maybe you arent yet ready to live in this part of the world.

Again, i mean no animosity towards you. Am just thinking out loud here, and i hope i caused no offence.

Agree with Raider 100%. Whoever tells me that going a whole day without water is healthy is clearly deluded.

Yes it is healthy to eat light, but it is not healthy to starve during the day and eat at night. It may be good for the body to reduce the amount of food we consume, but it is not good at all to wake up before sunset and eat, go back to sleep, spend a day without eating or drinking and then compensate at night. It disrupts your digestive system, your body clock and your sleeping pattern. No wonder everyone who's fasting looks the worse for wear. I am yet to see an energized, clear headed, active and healthy looking Muslim during the fast of Ramadan. Rather you come across people with very bad breath who look tired, slow, half asleep at work or even in the car. Come on, tell me I am wrong. I'll have a good laugh!

Army: let me correct myself - it is not fasting that is unhealthy, it is the way some people approach it. When I see KFC's ad for fried chicken nuggets saying "Iftar for the whole family", I feel pity for that family :)

Folks - if some people choose to stuff themselves up and go to bed - then no one can do any thing about it - except them! But no point in blaming or criticising the concept of fasting. They follow similar routine whether fasting or not. In the fasting thats prescribed for the Muslims - it is clearly stated in the hadith of eating lightly and not heavily. It is very clearly explained on how to fast and like I mentioned in an earlier posting - people who do not control their actions behaviours DO NOT get any spiritual benifits. Fasting is NOT simply abstaining from food. Its a lot more deeper.

Terramax - we respect your culture and traditions and respect your choice of your fasting. If you wish to have a discussion on comparison between fastings of different faiths - suggest you start a new thread on it. As this one seems to be going so far quite peaceful. :-) I am sure each person would have a different opinion on that and I personally would not agree with you.

You are right when you comment on certain peoples behaviour and customs - but not every one is like that - hence pls refrain from making general sarcastic comments on people who fast and the concept of fasting as your comments are simply baseless. Each one of you simply make BLIND comments on the health problems as if each one of you is a DOCTOR. And when some one posts proper genuine quotes from qualified Doctors or Dieticians, you guys seem to come up with new issues of local customs/ behaviour of people. I guess for some people who choose to be negative - no amount of postiveness or goodness around them can make them see the good things in life. Its like the half full glass vs half empty glass. Thats each one of our choice to make. So all the best folks !

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

Last Ramadan, I was waiting in the traffic and drinking coke in my car. A guy in the car standing next to mine started screaming on me in Arabic. I turned the can over to him and showed what I was drinking - it was "Mecca Cola" :) He gave me thumbs up and almost died from laughter!

I don't think its harmful to the point of hospitalizing you, but I still don't think the fasting schedule followed in Ramdan is healthy.

First off, any medical benefits cited for cleaning out your system (etc...) are wiped out when you gorge yourself after and go to bed on a full stomach (as another poster already mentioned)....secondly, my nutritionist told me try not to go for more than 4 waking hours without drinking water (and i'm relatively healthy), so I don't see how going 12 hours without is good for you. Just because the Human body CAN go 2 or 3 days without water and 3 to 4 weeks without food doesn't mean you should try (again different story if you are doing it for religious reasons...but to try and pass it off as healthy advice that everyone should follow is going too far imho).

More importantly and my main gripe is the fact that as a non-muslim i'm forced to fast against my will during most of the day (as I have to be out for work). I know its everyone's choice, but that choice is taken from me.

My sponsor (who is a local and presumably knows the local laws) said if i'm seen by a policeman smoking a cigarete during the day I could be arrested! (its just an example, I don't even smoke, but you get my point).

The counter argument that you must respect local traditions is erroneous for 2 reasons:

1) You do NOT do as the romans when in Rome, just because they do it thusly....if you happen to visit South Africa (just as an example) during the early 80s (when racism was institutionalized I understand) does not mean you have to become and act as a racist....wrong is wrong, no matter where you are.

2) People will say you CHOSE to live here. Well it IS supposed to be about choice. A muslim who chooses to live and work in Canada for example is not FORCED to eat. It is their choice wether to fast or not....just as it is supposed to be MY choice as a non-muslim. If i'm in the car and thirsty, and I have a bottle of water...having to pull into an establishment and go lock myself in the restroom to have a sip of water is ridiculous.

Having said all that, i'm not trying to incite anti-religious sentiment, and applaud the op's attempt at fostering a dialogue and understanding between different religions and cultures, and the way this thread has progressed. I justed wanted to air my opinions (eventhough they may be in the minority)...and for the record I have tried it before...I found the food part easy, but the water part took much willpower!

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

Nobody argues that fasting is good both for body and mind. But stuffing yourself with heavy food afterwards eliminates all benefits of fasting. I seriously doubt that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) could have imagined that someone will break the fast with a super supreme pizza instead of water and fruits.

The role of fasting according Dr jack goldstein( author the book Triump over desaese by fasting and natural diet). Fasting is good for body cause :

- It gives vital organ a complete rest

- It promotes elimination of metabolism wastes

- It allows the body to adjust and normalize it biochemistry and also its secretion

- It let the body break down & absorb the swelling,deposit, deseased tissued and abnormal growth.

- It restore a youthful condition to the sell and tissue

- It increase the power of disgestion and assimilation

- It permit the conservation and re-routing of energy, it clear and streghten the mind.

And fasting doesnot cause:

- Cause the stomach to atrophy

- paralyze the bowel

- Deplete the blood

- Produce the anemia

- Cause the hearth to weaken and collapse

- Produce the deficiency or mal nutritional and desease

- Reduce resistant to desease

- HARM THE TEETH, NERVOUS SYSTEM, glands or vital organ

- Weaken the vital power or metal disturbance

Sooo.... Why don't you try.........

Qatardolly, I agree you 100%. last 2 days I had my food in the evening 2 times and midnight. just tried whats going on. honestly the next day I didn't feel hungry. I didn't tired even I drove to my work place about 1 hour. Its not safe to drive between 5 and 5:30. the crazy guys driving like anything . why? did somebody compelled them to do fasting? and during the day they pretended to be tired. just ask any of them hows Ramadan . they say ' wallah tired' I don't understand how they are tired because they are having more food during Ramadan than other months. this is just I am seeing around me.

With all my due respect, they way fasting is approached here seems to me extreamly unhealthy. First people don't eat and drink for the whole day, then they literally get stuffed with lots of heavy food, and go to sleep with full stomach.

Breaking fast should be done with light and healthy food (arabic bread, fresh cheese, dates, water and not pizza!!!) and going to sleep with your stomach full should be avoided not only during Ramadan (unless you like having nightmares).

As an Orthodox Christian, I prefer our way of fasting, when certain type of food (meat etc.) is being gradually avoided for certain time on the run of 40 days.

So as much as I respect the Muslims, it's their choice, not mine.

And how do you know that I didn't try??? I was forced to do it for years so don't give me your false assumptions which are worth nothing.

But it was in poor taste.

Anyways, hope you still have the Saudi man for a friend! And nice to know that you are fasting too!

I made a deal with a Saudi friend during Ramadan some time back. Together we fast 24 hours a day. He fasts during the day and I fast during the night! It works out fine.

Why dont you try it once and THEN trash it? Me and the others have a right to speak authoritatievely about it because we HAVE TRIED IT. I dont believe you have. So why dont you do it and then we'll do the talking?

Please, else, the whole point becomes useless. We have better things to do than talk to people who are blindly against things.

No offence, but thats the way it is!

Qatardolly.. why dont you try it once.. you will see the "spritual" side for yourself within a couple of hours. I GUARANTEE YA.

What spiritual benefits are there in starving and thursting during the day and loading up during the night? I've never seen such mad rush in the groceries as during Ramadan. It's like there won't be any food for the next ten years and people grab what they can lay their hands on.

Very, very spiritual.

that wasn't really a very bright comment to make. Fasting is known to many religions and cultures as a means to gain inner strength and enlightenment.

You don't have to be Muslim to reap the spiritual benefits associated with fasting.

a non Muslim fasting during ramadan is like an employee working without getting paid. if you have the courage to fast why dont you just collect your salary and embrace Islam!

because if you fast without being Muslim yes its good for your health but you wont get the rewards that a muslim gets from fasting.

Blessed are the geeks, for they shall Internet the earth!

Thanks for the sarcastic answer. Anyways, if you do, good for you. If you dont, sti good for you!

i fast every night from 9pm to 7 am

If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.

It is quite normal that not all would like to try fasting. But it is great to see the spirit on this thread. It shows maturity...

But it is indeed quite strange to note some folks not being able to digest and accept the fact that it is ok for non muslims to fast just out of respect and wanting to try it and they seem to to be bent on proving that it is UN HEALTHY. I wonder why ?! I hope the link that Ecosavvy has provided would be sufficient to prove that fasting is not un-healthy. It is quite an elaborate explanation. Thanks ECOSAVVY for the link.

No one is forcing any one to fast - but if any one wishes to try it - I dont think there is any need to discourage them. If there is any harm in fasting - I am sure it would have been identified as you have thousands and thousands of people fasting in this month. And till date I have not heard any of my friends falling sick or having a medical condition DUE TO FASTING. So guys wanting to experiment it - my suggestion is - go ahead TRY IT. As you can see here - many have tried and some have even liked it! :-)

ARMY

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

To say islamic way of fasting is unhealthy without any proof is absurd. My mom being cardiac patient is successfully fasting for the past 7 yrs, my daughter when she was 11yrs even ran for school marathon that too uphill (Julbilee hills Hyderabad) and won gold.

There should be some doctors on QL board let them come and say its unhealthy. I myself have fasted with just water for days for some reasons while I was pregnant....Alhumdullilah I gave birth to 4.250gms baby

Here is the link to know what fast does to your body and soul

http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015844

Respect? What respect? We are already forced to "respect" in public as we can't eat, drink or smoke during the day. And how am I "respecting" it if I eat or drink at home?

And those non muslims that say they fast for their own reasons - I can't imagine any reason other than religious one to fast in islamic way. It is not healthy for the body even if they say it is, and it is definitely not benefitting a non muslim in any way.

am in a surgical speciality so i am sorry i cant answer that with authority as i dont have any reliable studies on it. i can put the question to some of the guys in nutrition who might be able to help.but from a general medical point of view it makes more sense to the body to take regular small meals than to load it unevenly.

ps ok for QL ers ill offer a special discount....lol

.do it right - the first time!

But would fasting cause similar? I'm sure I've read that some religions use fasting as a method of achieving a spiritual 'high'.

Perhaps I should google the answer - google appears to be less expensive :P

thats ok im quite used to it. like it too in fact(dont tell anyone...)

your friend got a good load of antioxidants which are present in raw veggies...they get destroyed by boiling or cooking......and the" high "

he felt was his toxins being drained out the system.

so yes thats normal to have..

ps i charge a hundred for internet consultations ....lol

do it right - the first time!

You're a doc aren't you? I don't know what discipline, of course, but speaking of vegetarians, a friend of mine some years ago was advised to go on a diet of raw vegetables for a few days (or some time anyway). He told me that after a couple of so days he felt he was on a 'high'.

Would that be normal? Maybe something in the vegetables, eaten raw and without any other food to buffer them, causes that sensation ...?

lol apologies for doing the 'oh hello, your a doctor are you? - well I have this pain ......' :P

Greeker this isn't strictly OFF TOPIC, because I had been wondering if fasting may cause the same type of 'high' - I think it is known to be a way of increasing ones ability to meditate - sort of Guru style. Can't express this properly ...

They have veggie burgers at the Megamart by the Ramada...those are supposedly good. My sister is a vegetarian and likes them a lot.

lol mir is that bcos you dont get good veggie food here in doha.....lol

do it right - the first time!

rant on girl.......im all ears......lol.

i agree with the principle of doing good all year around in general.but the point i was trying to make here was for me religious functions and occasions dont hold much water.....im talking about my religion here ok.

but then thats my view...

do it right - the first time!

Being a vegetarian is like fasting through the whole year mate....

The fasting during the day light hours would not work out b/c I am actually up all night rather than all day. It's just how the work schedule goes for my husband so I keep with those hours. But I applaud you for doing it.

Cool- your comment about being nice to others could get me on a whole rant about how people shouldn't just take one month to stop and treat those who are less fortunate with respect and care but all year round. Even in the US this type of thing happens. It is sad to me b/c people are less fortunate all year round not just during a holiday.

Why dont you give it a try? You could dicontinue if you thought it was beyond you to continue for more than two days.

Believe me, it would be difficult the first day. But in three days, you will be so adjusted to the idea and at the end of the month, you will feel so good and confident about yourself.

Try, if you will, and we can discuss the result at the end of the fast.

I am not pushing you into anything. All i am saying is to try something that you have never done before. At least then, you will be able to understand yourself as to why non-muslim people do it. And then, maybe your opinion would change. But thanks again for the healthy conversation in here.

Now i just hope that this thread does not lose its original intent and stray away from the topic..so far, so good!

i am going to eat normally......no disrespect to anyone.....but am not a big fan of any religion ......even mine......i believe in god thats all. doing good to people is the best religion for me and in my profession ....well not trumpeting here ok guys......i have to do that a lot .

do it right - the first time!

It didn't bombard me. It's interesting.

I'm not fasting. I just didn't mention it because it seemed a bit mean to mention food lol

You type fast!!! Guess I forget sometimes that you write for a living lol

Quite stole my thunder that time!! :P

Nicely put, though :D

Didn't mean to bombard you like that with both of us at it, lynnie.

I don't think that anyone who participates will suddenly loose part of their own religion. I guess it is just hard to fathom that people would voluntarily not eat or drink when it wasn't something they necessarily believed. But yes, if you have the self control and drive to do it go ahead I guess. I guess it was just strange to me that EVERYONE is saying they are fasting and none are saying they are just going to eat as normal.

I think it's sort of a 'bonding' thing going on, which is rather nice really :D

For instance those who are non-Muslim, and working in offices with Muslim colleagues, wont be eating and drinking during the working hours so I guess they just decided to extend that 'fast' and take the 'when in Rome do as the Romans do' line!

And other personal reasons too, I guess. I still remember being sent on 'retreat' (to meditate etc) as a Catholic Convent Schoolgirl and giving things up for Lent etc, so there's probably still a bit of that regime left in all of us, somewhere, and maybe it feels good to resurrect it occasionally.

Ut oh - I'm waffling again lol

There is of course no problem in adapting to the place you live in. isnt that why we learn the language and customs of the place where we live in?

So when we follow a custom, it need not be because we believe in it, like true believers. In my opinion, it is a way in which i can curb my instincts for food. It helps build my self control and there is only good that can come to me out of the exercise.

Hence, what i mean to say is that you dont have to be a convert to try the customs of a place. It is a way of saying "I identify with the people around me." There is this theory of ecumenism floating around nowadays which builds upon the idea of harmonious religion. This is my idea of making it work in everyday life.

Last, but not least, nobody is forcing anyone to take the fast. Its entirely out of peronal choice. I am a christian, but i REALLY DONT believe that i will become any less of a christian just because i fasted according to muslim beliefs.

Take a look around, cant you feel the love and the peace in the air? I can and thats what matters for me.

But i appreciate your feedback and thank you for commenting on the thread.

It's nice that everyone is being conciderate and not eating in front of those who are fasting for Ramadan but it is strange to me to hear so many saying they are participating for the fun of it or for the diet aspect of it. You say you should adapt to the culture and religion. If we were to do that in every place we visited we would be one big jumble. I will not be fasting during this time but I also won't be sitting outside chowing down on a big hamburger. I can be conciderate of their religious beliefs and still hold true to my own. I am not meaning to insult those who have decided to fast even though they are not Muslim so please don't read it that way.

I'm fasting too, but it is a little different here in the states- not as fun that's for sure.

tra la la

Alain wa alaich habibti...may Allah bless you this month and give you love and peace in your heart...what a great attitude you have. I'm sure you get more out of life that way...

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Love is the answer...

Qatar has been a 2nd home to most of us here...so we need to adapt and blend with the culture with the one we already have. The only ones who can't or won't, leave this country either disappointed or angry.

Fasting is good, health-wise and spiritually...so to all (I may not be a muslim - though I got a very small percentage of it in my bloodline/heritage)...RAMADAN KAREEM

Really lovely to hear so many people participating in the spirit of Ramadan...

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So, I automatically do FAST...meaning no meals whatsoever. But unlike the Muslim way of fasting, I drink water and fresh fruit juices (not in public, of course).

Why? and why not...a good reason to stick to dieting and lose weight as well...

Masha'Allah Greeker, I'm sure you will benefit from this experience. Contrary to what some have said on this thread it is NOT unhealthy to fast in this way if you are a healthy person in the first place. if you are not in good health you should not attempt to fast of course. I've been doing it since the age of eleven and have never suffered any ill effects. Quite the reverse. It truly is a spiritual exercise.

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that so many people who arent muslims are also doing it. Its a nice thought. Like i said, its a good way of identifying yourself with the surroundings you live in!

Happy fasting!

I've got two friends, one Chinese and one American, who want to try out fasting.

So many positives to fasting :)

Spiritual enlightenment, appreciation for food, understanding suffering, giving your body a chance to relax and get rid of toxins, etc..

remember though, fasting isn't just about not eating or drinking.

It also means no bad words, no disrespect, and in general, no bad things ^_^

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Im a non-muslim, but yeah i fast with muslims, its not such a big deal lol. I respect everyones religon, it wouldnt be nice to see anyone eating during mornings/evenings when its ramadan, its just so inhuman.

Ramadan Kareem :D

I'm fasting by default, out of respect, i'm not eating nor drinking, so technically i'm half fasting since i will leave work early and run home and eat a bit before time, i'm satrving.

I always tell the truth, even when I lie

You only do without food and 'liquid' during those hours after dawn and before sunset which at this time of year is about 12 hours? (not sure).

Putting it into perspective, most of us do without food and water/drink during the hours when we are asleep anyway, which on average is about 8 hours a night.

So the body isn't actually being starved of either food or liquid, just taking the essential vitamins and minerals etc etc at a different time of day.

OK, so when one is asleep there is no 'suffering' from hunger pangs etc, but I guess you see what I mean.

This isn't a criticism of the 'fast' nor suggesting it isn't a hardship for those fasting during working hours, just pointing out what no-one has mentioned so far in this thread. Or did they? Haven't read it through again ....

Peace

I am also fasting, am a non Muslim. Partly for health reasons, partly to respect the culture and to check my self control. This is my 10th year in Qatar. I did it 3 or 4 times in the past. First it started like.. I wanted to know how it feels to fast. When we are at work we dont drink in front of others so thought why cant I stay for couple of more hours till they break the fast. Now I can do it.. no probs at all. Good luck Greeker. We feel good about ourselves at one month.

During Ramadan, the Muslims not only have to stay away from food and drinks and sex, but they have to control their thoughts, words, behaviour and actions. We see it more like an Intensive training program of one month to be more stead fast in our beliefs and other worldly interactions. It is said that a person who does not control his thoughts and behaviour and actions and fasts still - is just wasting his efforts as it will not be rewarded from God.

There are medical benifits and simple phychological benifits also - like helping us control our urges and having better self control over ones desires and thoughts. It also helps us value life and the blessings we have better - starting with the food itself. We get to understand and experience the value of having the previlige of having food and water - which at many times we take it for granted. We get to feel what the less previliged brothers and sisters of ours go through. In short its an all round beneficial thing and its great if others can also would like to try it out.

ARMY.

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

NO No, no old fashioned, I dont have this kind of stereotype modus of thinking, in fact I respect very much positions like yours, and my research in spirituality (I have also this kind of interests)brings me towards a life style where for example vegetarianism is preferable, and chastity has good effects, but I dont know if and when I can reach such position

Ragnarock - the info you mentioned on not having water for the whole day - let me clarify some points on that note - First the fasting involves abstaining from all food and drinks from sun rise till sun set. And this is not harmful for the body - instead like some of the other members have mentioned here - it is good for your health. Can give you medical reasons for the same if some one is interested - shall give you the right links so that . Its definetly not harmful - unless the person is sufferring from some illness already. A simple logic that - if it was in any way harmful - you would some nations completely falling sick during Ramadan.

ARMY

" Life is not a party we hoped for, but while we are here, we might as well dance! "

Thanks for the concern, mate.

No, i aint doing it purely for religious reasons. But while i am at it, i prefer to do it as it is said it should be done.

A stubborn old mule, i sometimes am!

Greeker if you are doing it for health reasons and not just to experience it as a religious aspect, you should drink a lot of water during the day. It will help your body flush it's impurities. Unfortunatly the Islamic fast is very unhealthy for your body in a lot of ways.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

I am also fasting! living in Middle East for 12 years I joined my Muslim friends fasting and in the evening we all go out together. My family do fast eating instead but I don't mind. my father's father is converted to Muslim in his time. But my parents are brought up Christian, long story so, I'm non Muslim.

Judge not! that you be not judged!

Anciullo,

When i meant i dont take any drink, i meant NO drink AT ALL. And as to sex, i meant it when i said aint married. I aint married and so i aint into sex. Its just the way i think.

Like i said, you can call me old fashioned, hehe!

something I dont understand in what you are saying,fasting is not NOT drinking water, but No drink at all, you cannot replace with other liquids, wine, beer, juces, tea,...same as I dont see the relation between the fact that you are not married and no sex...I had the habit to have sex even before marriage, same as probably some other human being...

I have lived many years in arab Countries,I'm not muslim but this is not important,and done ramadan fasting many times also during hot summers; for respect and also because I think it is good practise, for body and mind

I'm no doctor or anything, but I have heard that going all day without water is not healthy for you. Obviously it CAN be done, but unless you are compelled for religious reasons you should not go all day without water...or so I have heard.

If there is any medical evidence to the contrary, I hope someone will post it for our general enlightenment.

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

that's what i thought: i will give it a try and see how it's going.. even if i can do it for 2-5-7 days.. whatever.. it's already good. I know God accepts any efforts, as long as it's done for God sake.

Thanks for the reply mate. To borrow your words...

"If you are taking local practice as your model, then fasting includes no water, or smoking (or sex!)"

I am not drinking water, am a non-smoker and i aint married. So i think i can do all that you said, hehe. As to going without water...i know its not easy, and being a sports reporter, its all the more hard.

But i see it this way...I am going through the hardship for just one month in a whole year. I think the trouble is worth it. I am ready to face the consequences.

But once again, thanks for replying to the topic. You too, Swissgirl. I always knew you were a dear!

I will try it too,also if im in Swiss at the moment.But it is as you sayd,to respect the religion and so i decided to try it.Actually i was verry sick in the past days and the doc told me to drink enough,so i will drink tea but no coffee,which is verry hard for me.

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Ramadan Kareem to you too.

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

Ramadan Kareem to you too, Greeker. And good on you for choosing to fast for the month, for your own reasons. If you are taking local practice as your model, then fasting includes no water, or smoking (or sex!)

If so, I cannot see that doing without water during daylight hours can be considered 'healthy'.

Are there any medics out there who could comment on the physical (as opposed to spiritual) aspects of this?