I much prefer the term fair as opposed to equality when discussing liberation.

fair rights, freedoms and responsibilities.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

its time every one changes whats been practiced its time the younger generation don't pass on what people in our past did....

Love our kids equally regardless of its a boy or a girl

give them equal rights and freedom......

A life unexamined is not worth living

Always makes me upset when I hear about honour killings.

Let the son do whatever the hell he wants. Its even a right of passage if he loses his virginity but gosh.. catch the girl kissing a boy and all hell has broke loose.

These people must be "on" something!

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

Yemen is beautiful I have only been to Sanaa but it was amazing. Qat addiction has a lot to answer for in Somalia too.

It is so sad.

do this honour killing, hope Sadha Nasser keeps eye on her

he lost his job as a garbage truck driver in Hajjah, he became a beggar, and soon after suffered from mental problems.  Mental problems are all due to chewing qat

Yemen being so beautiful country, this qat cultivation has ruined entire country.

I havent been there but its always in my destination trip bcos of flora..

mmm eco...

I think the father has a mental problem. However, a Qadi should decide the best way to make him understand that what he did was wrong. If his mental problem is not severe then perhaps some discipline is in order for selling his daughter.  (which is haram).

The imam who married the girl has committed a sin by not being aware of the condition of her walee. As a walee must posess certain characteristics that allow him the authority that comes with the role.

Also the girl must give her express consent to such a marriage. And I cannot see this happening with a 28 year old.  The imam should have felt something was wrong at this stage however he failed in his duties and this young girl has paid the price. I believe he should be stripped of his title at the very least and made to pay a fine. (and his own personal life thoroughly investigated).

And yes the two witnesses are also to blame. However, in a functioning islamic society they would have been put to blame for not reporting the incidence and making sure the girl consented to such a marriage.  Part of being a witness is that one signs their name agreeing that this marriage meets all islamic obligations. And the two witnesses have failed in this regard and given false testimony.

 But I believe the worst in this situation is the goverment. Who has failed to establish an Islamic system which would prevent (as much as possible) such injustices.  And I am at least glad that she has been allowed an anullment. My only worry is the character of her uncle has not been properly investigated. May Allah keep the girl safe from harm and strong with what faces her. InshAllah alahumma ameen.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

u been to Yemen? The country revolves around Qat. Every country has dirty laundry that needs to be exposed and aired to ensure that citizens have a better future.... otherwise there would be no social progress. Whomever behaves in such ways brings shame.

Forced marriages are always sad and inhumane.

The world is full of oppression.  And how sick a 28 year old is to force himself on a young girl is ............

Poverty can do so much to harm people. And, in order to stop such abuse, we definately need a more organized legal system in muslim countries that will deal harshly with such individuals.

I think this guy got off to easily!

And what really upsets me is that given her father has some mental instability then he was not a proper "walee" or protector for the girl.

And therefore had no islamic right to marry his daughter off at a masjid.

And such things should be monitored in these countries where all imaams are obligated to report such incidences and must deny performing such marriages as well as given resources to better judge the situation.

Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi

what about two witnesses why only groom is behind bars, all 5 should be behind bar (Imam, two witnesses, father and pervert )

cultivation,

"Believe it or not, an average Yemeni spends more on Qat than on food. 

I am sure this lil one's father is qat addict, they always cry we are poor

hey little girls were not married to Dogs its is that they were married to their GODs or their Idols they worshiped as a Gift and that little girl was to spend her life in the temple and sexually please the priests in that temple it still happenes or is practised in many northen parths of India.......Its also true that little girls were or are slaughtered by perverts who say that they r saints just to get some spritual powers by killing them horrifing i say......

A life unexamined is not worth living

Pm i am not sure thats very fair to shreeya. As far as i know she rarely criticises any one else. However i suspect the american bashing you are referring to is done by mir or whatever he calls himself now.But please dont club the rest of us with him. personally i like america a lot as a country .

Shreya was probably being a little patriotic while defending her country. However the media do reports such incidents from time to time.(mixed marraiges).but in a country of india s size and population id be surprised if it doesnt happen.

do it right - the first time!

 Religion?  Well the religion that allowed this travesty of justice to happen was Islam, so thexonic I wouldn't be looking down my nose at Hindu's or any other religions if I were you. 

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dotn worry it wont go that far... I dont repeat stuff and she wont talk about religion so i wont go on either. I proved my point and thats it for me.

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LOL...Dohasteve....yes..me too remember that joke posted by Charan.... 

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I already made it clear that I won't talk on religion any more. That religion post was merely a response to the previous one.... Nothing like dragging the religion in every topic. Be sure I'll be the last person to talk anything abt any religion. 

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 ..... is going to end up with the guy who ended up being his own grandfather ........ can't remember the details ..... fathers's sister's brother-in-law's first cousin twice removed ..... or something

 You are a Doc Corne, you know better. These matches are permitted if the boy or girl is willing. Otherwise these marriages are not more common. See in my family no marriages were made in nearest or farthest relations. 

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I can see how they're different with respect to family names. But biologically speaking, genetic diseases have the same chances whether uncle's son or aunt's son, they are both the girl's first cousins, so they both have the same degree of relativity. So genetically, the aunt's son and the uncle's daughter are the in the same genetic clan as the uncle's son and the uncle's daughter.

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

See, my  paternal Uncle's Son is having the same family name as of mine. I.e. genetically we belong to the same clan. Whereas if one marries paternal Aunt's son  the family becomes different having different genetic clan...and a chance of genetic mutation is likely.

I must clear that if I am a boy, I can't marry to my Paternal Aunt's Daughter.  Only paternal Aunt's son can marry to his maternal Uncle's Daughter....hushhhhhhhh too much complicated family business...lol.

In this context, the laws of marrying to brother or sister as in Muslims iare quite different than Hindus. 

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is it related to the above??

Don't you think we all have some kind of dumb concepts in every religion? If these are the dumb concepts then to hate dog also quite dumb and to hate pig s also quite dumb. Please don't take it to the heart as I never ever mean to humiliate any religion. We are Idol worshipers and you are not that's the difference...That's all..no more comments on religion from my side....even if you wish to continue...

I don't know why sikhs don't cut hair but I know why Hindus worship cow. To the Hindu, the cow symbolizes all other creatures. The cow is a

symbol of the Earth, the nourisher, the ever-giving, undemanding provider.  The cow is so generous, taking

nothing but water, grass and grain. It gives and gives and gives of its milk.

Well, post by post your awtaar looks angrier...LOL 

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Shreeya, just a question...what's the difference between the sister's son and the brother's son ? Why is marriage allowed in one case and not the other ?

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

Very sad. I think cornellian is right. The more these isolated socities get educated and open up, the farther they'll go away from these traditions.

We call Father's brother's son as first cousine and not allowed to marry him. Whereas if he is Father's sister's son then marriage is allowed. 

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U just proved me right, thats how dumb their concepts r and the way u think is just stupid... When did i say the idol worship has anything to do with the subject, I said if people can be that ignorant than they can get married as brothers and sisters.... genius!!! 

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man's sister's son is a first cousin, not a brother....

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 Thexonic,

Man's sister's son is my brother but he is not my blood brother...it's an extended family. Please again get the facts clear. You are having so many Indian connections still you sound ignorant at least in this aspect.

Yes sikhs still grow hair and they will...nothing to do with child marriages topic discussed here...

Yes, We worship Cow so we don't eat it...still has nothing to do with the topic has been discussed here.

Child marriages was our dark past too I agree. But in some developed parts of the world they start dating in the age as early as 12. Now don't explain the meaning of dating please....:)

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lol, incase if u dont know, My dad's originally gujrati, my grand parents were from bombay and delhi, so dont ask me to get my facts straight, u should get urs straight. I know about this kind of stuff and it is true, some of the villages in india still do this.  If the sikh people still have the tradition of growing hair till they die, if the people still worship cows and idols... then brother sister marriages are not a big deals in a place like india, probably even in china, but I dont know much about china, so I wont speak of it.

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something new..

Humbert Humbert was obsessed with a twelve-year-old Lolita and he considered too old and out of use all the girls who are over 17y.o. .....LOL....

yeah, and he was if I am not mistaken somewhere around 40 y.o.

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Sun and I

 And to you Mufy....Such marriages as are allowed by tradition, or within a culture, are

often symbolic or ritual, rather than the more usual recognition of a relationship. Wait let me tell you story of a British woman who got married to a Dolphin.....she actually jumped in the water to be with the animal....LOL

A British woman became the bride of an Israeli bottlenose dolphin last week.

Sharon Tendler, a 41-year-old concert promoter, entered into holy

matrimony with Cindy, a 35-year-old dolphin at Eilat, an Israeli

resort. The Dec. 29 ceremony was broadcast on Israeli television. The

ceremony, which involved a lot of squeaking and tossed mackerels, ended

when Tendler jumped into the water to join her new husband.

Tendler, who’s made millions peddling rock concerts in her homeland,

told the press she fell in love with the dolphin 15 years ago, on her

first trip to the resort.

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 Excuse me Thexonic, but get your facts right. Brother-sister marriage not done with blood relations. I.e. In India you can't marry to your blood brother or blood sister. Man's sister's Son can marry with the same man's daughter and this is far away a blood relation. 

I don't know why on QL in any  forum people just go on digging in India....first have a look in your own community please...

And well, what happened to that Texas case? Nobody wants to dig it further?  

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Oh yeah I've seen that movie, very sad indeed. She dresses up as a boy just so she can learn (girls weren't allowed to go to school) and when they find out she's a girl, they decide to kill her but then the 80 year old man tells them that he'll marry her instead. There was a scene where he's riding on a cart pulled by a donkey and she was sitting next to him with tears in her eyes, it broke my heart. I wonder if being hung've been more merciful

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

 Wow what a sin.  I can't even imagine what the poor girl went through

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wow this is so sad.... has anyone watched a film called Osama? its about an afghan girl who dresses as a boy to go to school and then when she's found out she gets sold to this 80yr oldman..very sad their lives are..

thexonic, is it really in the hadith about first cousins? i have relatives who have married their first cousins...

"eat, drink and be merry"

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I agree with that, as a matter of fact, i've even read in hadith that people should not marry their first cousins. 

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It amazes me how some people claim to be oh so religious and yet go ahead do something completely against the fundmentals of the religion...and THEN say religion told them to do so!! 

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

As for those people, I guess it's just been brainwashed by sick leaders, religious or otherwise. 

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

Oh brother sister marriages, they still happen in the northern villages of pakistan and some villages in india...

There was an article in an isalmic magazine in pakistan, where the guy was asking the sheikh, "is it allrite to marry your sister, if you cant find a decent guy"... I read this back in 99... lol. 

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Well Alexa, in Cleopatra's time, uncle's married nieces, and brothers married sisters. In India during the 1860's girls aged 8 and 9 used to get married. I'm sure there were child marriages in the West as well a long time ago. With time, those societies has progressed and evolved and began to realise that it's wrong; however, small tribes in Aghanistan or Yemen or other secluded poor places did not. If there was no exchange of ideas and opening up with other countries and cultures, how can u expect them to change or evolve like the rest of us? They've been doing this for generations and have not known anything else. I'm not justifying what they're doning, just trying to understand it.

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

 I agree with Alexa

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"but I've been surprised and disgusted by some people on QL before "

 And i agree, this is the sad but true fact !

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This is nothing, I've seen new born babies get married... poor kids their future has been decided like their nationalities, some people dont get to choose anything... thats messed up... seriously.

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I agree with Oryx, staying quiet about important issues in fear of others is like surrendering to those wacko extremists. No way!

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

8?????...what????? ooooffff.. that's too young to get wed?!!..

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I saw a similar article on the BBC today about and 11 year old being married of to her fathers cousing for $800 so the family could afford to buy food.

    Pretty bad but the Afganies are trying to set a minimum age for marriage. 

So What?

Some things I can't keep quiet about. Tough. Its disgusting dont' care how or what or when or why its disgusting.

Amen to that RR and Oryx, it is quite humbling to see how blessed we are to have been born with those basic human rights that others don't have. I'm appalled by those stories and pictures, it's horrible how these children are stripped away from their innocence without a choice. However, we can not really condemn those people for they don't know any better. Education is the only way to change things. 

I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong -Garfield

from people who say it is tradition and the west should not interfere, cos you all know its coming......

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deepest hell

its because these are feral people.......animals that know no better...

This is absolutely sad, cant believe the parents would let there little girl go through that trauma.....gosh some people don't have a heart!!!!

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure"

 Well guys let's not forget this little tidbit from Texas last week: 

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23543037-12377,00.html

OFFICIALS who removed 416 children from a

polygamist retreat in Texas and sent away some of their mothers are now

overwhelmed by the size of the case, with the children living in a

sports stadium and some falling ill.

In what is

one of the biggest child custody cases in US history, a judge and

lawyers are struggling to figure out what to do with the children taken

into state care fron the Eldorado ranch of the Fundamentalist Church of

Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, a renegade Mormon sect.

The state has accused the sect of physically and sexually abusing

the youngsters and wants to strip their parents of custody and put the

children in foster care or up for adoption.

The raid followed a call to a domestic violence hot line from a

16-year-old girl who said she was beaten and raped by her 50-year-old

husband at the compaound.

Of the 139 women who voluntarily left the compound with their

children since an April 3 raid, only those with children aged four or

younger were allowed to stay with them, said Children's Protective

Services spokeswoman Marissa Gonzales.

"It is not the normal practice to allow parents to accompany the

child when an abuse allegation is made," she told the Associated Press.

The mothers were taken away yesterday after they and the children

were taken by bus under heavy security out of historic Fort Concho,

where they had been staying, to the San Angelo Coliseum, which holds

nearly 5000 people and is used for hockey games, rodeos and concerts.

Some of the children's mothers told Texas Governor Rick Perry that the youngsters were getting sick.

About 20 children had chickenpox, said Sandra Guerra-Cantu of the state Health Department.

The sheer numbers left the judge in the case perplexed yesterday as

she considered suggestions from the lawyers for how to handle a custody

hearing on Thursday.

"Quite frankly, I'm not sure what we're going to do," Texas District

Judge Barbara Walther said after a conference that included three to

four dozen lawyers either representing or hoping to represent

youngsters.

Texas bar officials said more than 350 lawyers from across the state

have volunteered to represent the children free of charge. As well, the

139 mothers who voluntarily left the sect to be with their children

need lawyers to help them fight for custody.

The sect practises polygamy in arranged marriages between underage girls and older men.

The group has thousands of followers in two side-by-side towns in Arizona and Utah.

The sect's prophet and spiritual leader, Warren Jeffs, is in prison for forcing an underage age into a marriage in Utah.

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how could a 28yrs old man marry an 8yrs old little girl? it seems like he's marrying already his daughter... those pitiless parents!!!

Live and Die with DIGNITY!

-JaYTeR-

And lets all hope and pray that the day comes when EVERYONE is granted the basic rights that ALL humans deserve regardless of gender, age, skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc...etc....(there are just too many to name)!

Stay safe all.

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

I really don't think an 8 year old girl should be concerned about her marriage prospects, and after this experience I doubt she will ever want to marry again.  

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Lets all pause and thank whatever we believe in that we were born in a country where we have a choice!

I can do what I want, travel where I want, eat where I want, speak my mind, drive, study,  etc.... because I was brought up to believe this is basic human right!

I consider it as 'given' when in fact I should pause and think of all those that cant. Their stories humble me and shame me with my gripes and groans.

Remember this book? Sold?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sold-Modern-day-Slavery-Zana-Muhsen/dp/0751509515/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208335795&sr=1-2

i cannot believe!!!

The other day...I was talking to an old Iranian man in the office, he told his son made an accident back home and he is underage and don’t have a license so he will be   in the jail for 6 months...I asked him if his son is studying? He told no his wife is studying? I was like.... what? he said..yea.. he got married at 16 and stopped studying...his wife is in grade 9th..... Its sad to know such things happening in different parts of the world....but a boy marring at 16 with parents permission is even more strange....

he is just a paedofile. he did the deed with her and didnt object to her divorcing him.  She will have so much trouble finding a husband when she is older.

true king its sure looks like we are the worst

 What kind of 28 year old guy wants to marry an 8 year old.  THis part from Reuters says she brought him to court because he was beating her! 

ANAA (Reuters) - A Yemeni court ordered the marriage of an

eight-year-old girl terminated on Tuesday because she had not reached

puberty.

The court also ordered the child's family to pay about $250 in compensation to the 30-year-old ex-husband.

The girl's lawyer and human rights activist Shatha Nasser said the

minor had filed a suit in April asking for divorce and told the court

that her husband had been physically abusing her and forcing her to

have "sex with him after hitting her."

One of the people attending the trial volunteered to pay the

compensation, the lawyer said, but did not explain the reason why the

court ordered the compensation.

The ruling terminated the marriage instead of granting a divorce to

prevent the husband from seeking to reinstate the marriage, according

to the lawyer.

Many minor girls in Arab countries that observe tribal traditions

are married to older husbands but not before puberty. Such marriages

are also driven by poverty in countries like Yemen, one of the poorest

countries outside Africa.

(Reporting by Mohamed Sudam; writing by Inal Ersan

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He was 28 and he consumated the marriage with (Euphemism for SLEPT WITH) an 8 year old?????

Frikking pedophile! That's immoral and ILLEGAL in the civilized world! My apologies to any Yemenies, but if that's "allowed" then there is something serioulsy wrong with your judicial system!!

Stay safe all. 

Perfection does not exist. The question therefore, is: what level of imperfection are we willing to settle for?

      mind cant believe a story like this...damit so cruel

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   "Imagination is more important than knowledge"

the end of this world .... soon it will be ... hopefully, enough of all of these things that make me belive in one thing ...

Humans are some kind of monster, maybe the worst ever :(

Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)

 Ummmm pretty sure there are no 8 year old girls getting married in Canada...but I could be wrong.

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whats wrong with that?

sad realities...happening all over the world!