kenya queen...no worries.. my wife is from trinidad and tobago,im on your side 4 sure.. i dont like racist jokes but there is nothing wrong with joking about obama as long as it isnt a racist joke...
"Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is our new president. And I think I speak for most Americans when I say, anybody mind if he starts a little early?" --David Letterman
In a way I'll miss Bush! Now he was the butt of all jokes!! haha. Its def. harder to joke about Barack, and not necessarily from the racial front. Let's admit it, the guy is respected. Most Clinton jokes involve Monica, so until this man slips up...
alexa who would have believed that the white people will vote for a black man in america,??? i mean you can never predict the future . if someone had said that a black man will be the president of the strongest nation on earth a year ago i would have said that the person was on drugs, but looks whats happening today? never say never!!!
Red- let me make myself clear, I don't think there is any harm in joking about Obama, I am just curious why there has to be racial jokes. Many blacks just like many whites don't like racial jokes and perhaps feel the same way I do about them. They encourrage our youth to be racially divided, youth don't think the way we do and they think literally ( most of the time) So, to me jokes just keep racism going. Doesn't matter if its a white or black person telling them. Matter of fact I think racial joke about blacks is even worst when a black is telling them or other oppressed races.
If I were an african citizen my reason for voting would totally be different to voting if I were an american. Africa is a basically a black country, I more than likely would not have been discriminated by other blacks as the in the way we are discriminated here in the western society. There fore I would be voting based on pure politically policies if there was a white person running for president and I agreed with his policies than I'd vote for them. Given that I really am not a follower of politics here in the US or canada I would say, if I were american and had to vote in this particular election then I think you know the out come of my vote. I'D have voted for history!
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REPORTER (to Barack Obama): At the Academy Awards, Jon Stewart made fun of the fact that your last name, Obama, sounds like Osama, the name of the most hated man on the planet. What is your reaction?
BARACK OBAMA: Besides the unfortunate name similarity, Osama Bin-Laden and I have nothing in common. One of us is a confident, ethnic man with devoted supporters and a clear vision for the future, and the other is about to become President.
There has been white governmental powers in africa and look what has happened in the past with south africa (just one country to mention} that president was voted in by blacks as well as a majority whites. I am still baffled at the fact that a white government discriminated against a country that is originally, dominantly black. how in the heck did they get away with it. Also, just to inform you, white americans were not the first to inhabited the united states. Again the US was built by the sweat, blood and death of many immigrants who were not white (yes whites did help build the US) but yet other races other than white were kept out of power. Anyway, I don't think the african people in general would be as mean spirited towards a white president there as they may be here.
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You're quite right Britexpat. To the average man who has not had the fortune of being educated, the white man is probably regarded with mistrust. But to those who have had the priviledge of learning from the legacy of many distinguished scholars who happened to be white eg those in the judiciary/scientific fields etc we know better than to judge a significant portion of a race based on the idiocy of one man. All comes done to education I guess, and quite frankly the West has more educated people and is thus expected to make the more informed and less emotionally driven decision.
I totaly agree with your last comment about "comparison". That is why i mentioned Ian Smith. He has left a legacy of hatred and tarnished the "white man" for years to come..
Britexpat I think my generation is quite fed up with "the old guards" and ESPECIALLY the deeply rooted tribalism. If a fresh face came up that was not of the same skin colour but who had political clout, say Rahm Emanuel ;) for example, I really believe people would vote for him. Whether he'd get ENOUGH votes to put him in power, is a whole different issue all together. ;)
May I just say though the situation is NOT the same as it was in the US. With respect to the US elections 'black' represented the historically oppressed race. In Africa and many parts of the world 'white' represents 'the oppressor'. You cannot compare the two situations. Therefore, you cannot compare the mindset of voters who are presented with a black man in the US as a candidate for Presid. and those voters in Africa who are presented with a white man.
I think that you may be an exception. I agree with your comments regarding Asians. I have some Asian friends from Uganda and South Africa and they are more focused on business than involvement in politics.
However, i don't belive that the "atmosphere" is yet ripe for a white guy to be taken "seriously" in politics. People would instantly associate him with Ian Smith or similar..
If the man or woman was white and stood his own ground with respect to politics, then I would certainly vote for him/her. We have plenty of Kenyans who are caucasian/asian...but do they get involved in politics? Rarely! The Asians are the Doctors and the lawyers and the businessmen while the Caucaions are more into farming etc...Perhaps they're just not interested or their own fears of "will I be accepted given the colonial past" is what stops them.
Personally I would vote for the man/woman whose character and policies appealed to me most. If he/she happens to be white, my vote would still go to that person.
I might not Joke about our 44 president for know, but always my English fellows will be my main line of joke. I was wondering who will be the next President for Kenya, Don't you think this time he should be a white kenyan of English heritage, for a change of pace?
No need to be thin skin, just take it light when you are done reading.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Yes I agree with you both Britexpat & UkEngQatar...he spoke loudly regarding his policy on Israel when he picked Emanuel. Let's hope it's not heavily skewed or we wont hear the end of it...on QL. ;)
Sorry, i got confused.. When someone said "Emanuel in Washington", I started thinking of the lead character of a few films I happened to partake in the 80's...Enough said..
seriously though.. i like him. He's charismatic and has a presence about him. He can be a little arrogant, but having worked with Clinton, must be politically savvy.
My only worry is that he is very pro-Israel and this may not help the peace process. Having said that, Obama's main focus will be the economy and change within the nation.
hahaha, cause he has Emanuel on his side and I got a crush on Emanuel! :P
Honestly Im pro Obama cause I think he can bring change to a significant number of issues. Not everything because no one can, but a significant number is good enough for me. He'll put things on track. I honestly believe in him.
I seriously like Emanuel though! He looks like he whips peoples asses, tough, shrewd guy...:) What do you think of him Britexpat?
Sorry RP, I can't support any politician that doesn't support gay marriage. But then again, I'm lucky, i'm from a country that truely believes in freedom for everyone, rather then a country full of hypocrits.
yea lets blame Obama for everything.. i have a head ache.. its obamas fault, got toothache Obama, accident on the corniche, i saw obama speeding past...come on pple ????
Proposition 8 has nothing to do with Obama. You are just an upset drama queen.
The State of California, the gay population and the Right wing are responsible for the outcome of Proposition 8.
The people of America spoke via a transparent Democratic Election, either you like it or not, the outcome of Gay MArriage is done and voted. Too bad for those who oppose proposition 8,
Gypsy, shit happens!
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Simply by even saying he doesn't support gay marriage because of his Christian beliefs meant that people followed him on that. He should have kept his mouth shut, instead he made it so that now gays don't even have civil union rights.
Obama is against gay marriage and was instrumental in Prop 8 being passed. Thanks to him and others like him, gay marriage is no longer recognized in 3 states and in 1 state gay couples can no longer adopt. If this is the "change" he's talking about, then it's not the "change" I want.
I would say he's Kenyan American!! hahaha (only joking) but Im sure kenyaqueen would agree with me?? Nah, she wouldn't she's not even Kenyan if I recall well...all American. ;)
i am a white person too against racism.. i am married to a black lady from the trinidad and tobago, and i see no difference in her colour,.. i support you ringo, and kenya queen.. obama should be given a chance.....
I can't be bothered reading this whole thread, but in response to the Obama being portrayed as a monkey, I don't think that will happen, not so much because of the race issue but, because, unlike W. the man does not resemble a chimp.
As for Obama jokes, I'm already referring to the homophobic prick as Oh bummer, so there you go.
kenyaqueen, i support you....its a pity how SOME WHITE PEOPLE act when there is a black person in a position of power.we are all the same. The blacks have lived with this all their lives in America, to be discriminated against, and still survive all those years. now that a black man is president, someone is worried if they can joke about him. who cares if you joke or not? im sure it would not affect Obama. George bush who is white was there for how many years ,all he did was destroy the world and cause more hatred amongst every race. now its , oh!! he is arab, oh he is black, or she;s asian. lets give this guy a chance, i think this is a very shallow thread, and im sure has come from a very racist person... he will deny it, but im sure he is.. i am a white person, TOTALLY against racism and would love a person of colour to be the brit prime minister someday, it will take time, but im sure it will happen. why not???....
Britexpat, yeah I really enjoyed that!! As an aside, I absolutely love his pick for Chief of Staff. Any one who sends someone a rotten fish is my kinda guy. He's no pushover thats for sure! I like that.
Ukeng...Palin?? hahaha, wouldnt be surprised, lol
a.k.a...those guys will really get him, oh man, haha.
Hey Alexa, I understand what you're saying and I too apologise for my "unfriendly" posts. It's easy to get opinions running high on matters of race, religion and nationality esp. on QL. We simply differ on the approach to addressing racism. I'm often too sarcastic for my own good but its in my DNA and at the end of the day, like many people, all I want is for things to change.
General - To be honest I pity Obama. I think he just has wayyyyy too much on his plate. I was sent my first Obama joke yesterday...a truck load of his "relatives" on route to the White House, it was soooo funny but it took me a few seconds to think of it as a joke and not an attack on black people, Africans in general etc etc. I soon sent it off to most of my friends and family and the responses I've received so far were all "ROFL" and the like. I dont think Obama will be taking jokes about himself too seriously because that will be an unncessary distraction (like he doesn't have bigger things to worry about eg. which puppy to get his daughters ;). So if he can do it, maybe the rest of us Black folk can, but lol, it'll take time!
if you were to view me in person you'd never know I was "red" american...but I am half...it doesn't matter what you look like, its what's inside that counts.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
I love Obama.. I think he's great for the USA, but I feel that people are expecting too much of him and perhaps he's promised more than he can deliver..
I didn't take your statement as anti-black. However it was prudish, something I would expect a person of your race to say. Trust me I have heard it all before. I feel bad that anybody is discriminated against not matter the color of their skin, I would like to remind you though that the white race never in history as a whole have been discriminated against for the color of their skin. Not only in america but in just about every place you set your foot on on this planet there is hatered for the black race. You as a white person have not been systematically discounted in jobs, houses, prohibited from traveling, denied food, clothing ect.. And I am not talking just about the past. Racism is an epidemic, not only by whites and blacks, by every race. so, you see when you make remarks like the one earlier than I have to you correct yourself.
when I listen to the news or read papers here in north america, there is always someone being racially discriminated against, I have seen stories about east indians, chinese, blacks,native indians being discriminated against but I have yet to see a story about a white person being racially discriminated against especially in mainstream america. Is this they are not reporting it? or is it because it is practically a non- issue for them.
Anyway as bad as I feel for your friend and you being discriminated against I feel for you. But take a step back and look at all the brown faces around you that have had racism casted upon them all their lives and it ain't gonna go anywhere soon.
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Search for The Daily Show with John Stewart and find the video clip titled "Black Liberal Guilt". It is worth the effort, if you have a sense of American humor.
Alexa, I don't think you realise the tone of the posts you have made, perhaps you did not realise it. Why is it ok for you to make "unfriendly posts" but when I pose the question seeking your reasoning mine are considered unfriendly? Sorry but some things I feel strongly about. This is one of them. Using your yardstick I consider your posts quite unfriendly as well.
It would be a shame if you will take this discussion personally. In as much as I respect you, I stand by my posts. This is not a personal attack Alexa, this is my views vs. your views.
you made a comment that suggest that blacks always bring up the race card, I didn't bring this up or suggest it you did. You previous post suggest that you are against blacks conversing about racial issues and that we/I am playing the race card and your cynical remarks regarding " its ok for blacks to but not white" suggest that you have an issue. Your above statement is not profound to me. I bet it I take your mask off you got a boogie man in you itching to get out and run wild!
You mess with me, you get the boot.... ok thats just a joke lol!
by the lighten up ya ole fart
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Alexa, know this, I dont appreciate being lumped together with the remarks other people made. Show me where I was unfriendly towards you or made a nasty remark towards YOU...you will not see ladba06 near that remark.
Alexa, you come on this thread, make several allegations and when I respond to them, you basically say "No, leave me alone." Are you aware of the topic of this thread? Issues were raised...you really need not comment on them if this is a discussion that doesnt suit your fancy! Were you following the posts or did you just read "race" somewhere and jump to conclusions?
May I just say I am not angry. This is a discussion. If you cannot handle it, and I say this with respect, simply leave this discussion.
folk I uploaded this pic for a bit just to show you that I am black and even though my daughter (in the back ground) is very light skinned, in north america she is considered black. I am mixed myself. But I am black- blacker than Obama. Obama is considered black. When a person of another race calls him the "N" word it is because he is black. He was born black and when he dies he will be black.
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I know Red Pope, believe me I know what you're saying. And I'm honoured that you consider me a friend, ditto Popsy ;) But a lot of people wouldn't know your interpretation of negrito (which apparently is also a group of people in the Phillipines). I knew it meant something endearing and trust me I didn't take offence because I know you. Honestly I just dont like that word, because of the history behind it, so can you imagine me calling a fellow black person "Ni##er"? It just will not happen. I cannot make excuses for others who do.
By the way you owe me a beer for beating you at arm wrestling ;)
but like many blacks I celebrated from within and I celebrated the great efforts of those before Mr. President Obama. A few names to mention martin, rosa, lincoln, kennedy, malcolm,marcus, fredrick.
Re; Alexa. I think its time he let the boogie man with in himself out and experience reality. lol
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There was a purpose for me to write "Negrito," in most latin america, specially in the Caribbean Island is like saying in a dear terms to some one you love or a close friend. Is not use in any prejudice way.
The sad part was is that I learn the definition of the "N", when I join the Army, It puzzle the hell out of me, when black soldiers will call each other the "N" word and my supervisor was black. The explanation was, it is not correct for others to use it, but among our race is just a cultural thing.
Through the years, I did establish a different definition for it and would not accept the usage of the word "N" and many other innuendos of racism towards others races in my presence or allow any other soldiers that I was responsible for or you will face some kind of disciplinary penalty under my recommendations in front of the commander in charge.
yet , the jokes are always there, but in a civilize manner.
Yes , I did celebrate with tears of cheer and overwhelm satisfaction the Nomination of our 44th and first African-American US president.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
People don't call us negros anymore. Let me re-phrase that, some do, but many of us Blacks choose not to accept that. This one doesn't. I don't make exceptions, friend or foe. Black, white or red. Or Popes.
You're confession booth sounds very inviting though...
@ kenyaqueen, did you have yourself an Obama party???! hahahaha, I did.
@ timtan, Im not British. And you're still a twat.
@ Alexa..."So...black people make no jokes about white people....right!" I really dont see where anyone claimed that on this thread???? And no I don't find this discussion ridiculous. Its the elephant in the room. Are we going to ignore it or keep talking about it until something changes. Personally I wont tire of talking. I'm curious to know though whether you were implying it's always blacks who come up with the race card?
Tallg, Iv found myself saying "Im black...." and have people trying to correct me by saying "You're not black, you're brown". And though I understand what they're saying...I'm black, period. And I always make sure they get that.
David_B (lol at the Native American People thing, haha)and najamss, I find it quite ironic how "non-blacks" will quickly say "Oh she's black" when the person is obviously mixed race...but you have someone who accomplishes something big, like Obama and suddenly its "He's HALF WHITE though"...lol. Obama himself is proud of his caucasion lineage. But he's black. Dont take my word for it, lol, ask him yourself. hehe
najamss - it's a definition. He's an African American - i.e. a Black American. They don't have a "scale of of blackness" to determine if someone qualifies to be called black or not.
Think about it - most black people are not actually black if you take the literal definition of the colour, are they? Ditto most white people aren't actually white.
now he is elected as the President of the Useless Souls of all time..LET THE JOKES BEGIN..Obama that is the city in Japan so he must be half Japanese..
I hear it all the time. Getting to the bottom of racial issues is no different then getting to the bottom of issues such as, is islam or christianity for real and if it is what makes one better than the other. Anyway, I got one word for your old self, well! maybe two "stuff it" I don't like your tone but after all for the most part we have freedom of speech on these forms. What makes you think that any one is playing a race card? you ole fool
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I hear it all the time. Getting to the bottom of racial issues is no different then getting to the bottom of issues such as, is islam or christianity for real and if it is what makes one better than the other. Anyway, I got one word for your old self, well! maybe two "stuff it" I don't like your tone but after all for the most part we have freedom of speech on these forms. What makes you think that any one is playing a race card? you ole fool
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"After Barack Obama was declared the winner, President Bush called Obama, promised to work with him to guarantee a smooth transition. Yeah. Yeah, when we heard this, Obama said, 'Thanks, but you've done enough.'"
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"Barack Obama was joined on stage by Bruce Springsteen in Ohio on Sunday. There was one tense moment when somebody in the audience yelled out, 'Born in the USA!' And Obama said, 'For the last time, yes, damnit, I was!"
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"At a rally in Florida, Barack Obama was interrupted by a protest group calling themselves 'Blacks Against Obama.' Actually, a pretty small group. It's just Condoleezza Rice and Jesse Jackson."
yep this story is a great example of what racism does to people. In my teen years I grew to dislike black people myself, and I am black. As I got older I accessed why I disliked my own race. It was simply because of what I heard in the media, what I seen in the media and of course from people in my surroundings, blacks and whites. as a black person, if all you hear about other blacks are the negative things then you grow to believe this. And sure I hear blacks call The "N" words to others mostly in the music, sometimes I even hear other blacks say whats up my "N". but being black doen't mean that all black people feel that it is ok for this to be happening.
By the way brit what was your reply when you heard this. I bet you interjected and said. listen what your saying is not right and its a racist remark, please don't use those comments while in my presents! lol
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Hate to say it, but I agree with you. The USA is a melting pot, hence racial/ethnic differences are more readily accepted. Europe on the whole has countries with specific ethnic mixes.
I agree that we are not yet ready for a black leader, but we are moving in the right direction..
As for racism, it exists in all walks of life. As I said previously, I have met Africans, who are racist against other Africans.
Funniest true story.. I worked with a few African Americans. One guy, whilst black, dressed like an "ivy league" type and always said that he was from a mixed race.. One day they got into an argument after a few drinks.. One of the African Americans turned to me and said - quote " Don't listen to him man, the Mo##er Fu##er is a N###er, no matter what he says"..
You know we all have grown up hearing stereotypes about other races and we beleive them right into our adulthood. Why? One thing I noticed about this site and a few others like it is there is always jokes about indians, phillipinos, arabs and blacks but I rearly see jokes posted regarding whites. I wonder why that is? especially on this site because I am sure by the topics that read not everyone on here is white.
Dopeople realize what racial joking and plain ole discrimination does to the people you are doing it to. Do people realize that blacks are the most feared and hated by people that haven't visited an african country, that have no black friends or who aren't even born yet lol..
And here is something else to think about if you are a person reading this that is not white. If you are one to be discriminating against any body I pity you if you ever come to north america or even europe. Beleive me it won't be long before you feel the way someone your making fun of feels. If ever you notice you can only get jobs in the cleaning industry, taxi industry, or some meanial job or you can't get the education you deserve because your not ivy enough then don't complain because those that have experienced it knows what it is like.
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Honestly, I believe the "N" word originated from the British during the Empire and colonization era.
Specially during the times of the British slave trade to the United States.
My views:
1- The United States still a very young Nation, who has merged from the days colonization and slavery to whom we are right know. Either you like it or not.
2- We have shown the world, that we are willing to change, adapt and overcome by a popular democratic vote.
Including the election by the people, of the first African-American USA President.
3- I believe that the Europeans need to start electing a black president or prime minister more often.
Honestly I believe that Europe, still divided and is full of racism and prejudice today towards the black population.
The United States has reach the cross roads of racism and equal opportunity by electing a black President.
The rest of the world should learn from this moment in history.
Correct me, If I'm wrong my English People.
Maybe your next Prime minister is black or the French will elect a black President.
Dammed sure I will love to see that in my life time.
I doubt, if that ever happens in Europe at all.
Hopefully some of those royal English kids will fall in love and get married with a Mulatta that will tear their butt upside down.
That will defiantly will break "The English Royal White iceberg in half."
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
What percentage of a persons ethnic background qualifies them to be black, brown, yellow, white or green? I overheard a visibly caucasian American gentleman telling someone that he was a "Red Indian". The only "Indian" thing about him was his long hair, he didn't even have a horse. Barack Obama is "black" yet his mother was "white". 50/50. Is the glass half full or half empty? He was born in the US and he is an American...period.
Listen folks my mother is white, father is black, We grew up in a white surroundings all my life. I come from an almost remote part of canada. I never new racism until I left my home town to live in a bigger city. I never heard the word Nigger, Honkey or what ever it is they call each other untill then. When we got in arguments at school I never heard a white kid call me that name and I never called them racial names. As a matter of fact I can remember the first time I was called a nigger, it was by a 5 year old white child. I wonder now about that child and I am willing to bet that that child hates any race or anything that is not white. Racism starts with in the family and is carried out by people who make comments like timtan.
For those of you that are saying We Blacks think that it is ok for a black to call a white man racial names, I think you got it all wrong. I have a feeling you are basing this view on what you see on TV and in the media. Average, white people and black people don't call each others these names and don't practice racism, this is why we now have obama. As far as some people having chips on their shoulders, I don't know if you are white or not but in the case you are not white. I'd like for you to come to north america or europe and lets see how long it will take for you to be discriminated against, wheater it be because you are arab, indian, muslim, or just simply because your skin is not white. Nowhere in this world have I travelled have I been more disrespected by people than in my own country canada. Not just by whites but by others who think they are racially above other people.
If it seems that some blacks living here in the western world have a "BIG OLE CHIP" on there shoulder then your probably right. I personally don't have a chip on my shoulder. However, I like to have my opinion on these forms voiced.
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There is no problem with a white man calling a black man BLACK, it's only when when we are called a N****R or when we are called lazy,dirty,drug addicts. These generalizations are when we consider that person 2 be racist.
The Daily Show milking the last few drops of humour out of the election. A few Obama jokes included (only nice ones though, what with them loving him and all);
britexpat, why make such racist jokes anyway?whats the point? thats what the world doesnt need any more,there are so many jokes out there,... i dont get it why must the joke be a racist one? i hav lots of friends in australia that come from england and they always loose it when they are called names by people out there. i think the world should shy away from all these racism..
Britexpat I think you are refering to kenyaqueens remarks "And yes white people can make up jokes about anybody they want! after all where would one expect that racism started."
I think that was directed at that twat (sorry Moderator) timtan, not you ;)
Forget the freaking jokes...i got a email yesterday already claiming he's the anti christ..i mean wtf what is it about US presidents and people thinking they are the Anti christ?? seriously when Bush got elected they were saying the same thing about him.
Good Fortune always comes knocking at your door...when you are sh*tting in the toilet!! :)
and I found it humorous. Matter of fact I always find you humorous and interesting and I always appreciate and look fordward to what you have to say, U R 1 of my favs on QL. I just felt like adding those comments.
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The Tiger Woods joke is a great favourite of mine.
Kenyaqueen misunderstood my point. All, I was trying to say was that with Obama in office, people will have to be careful with the type of humour used. What worked in caricuturizing Dubya, will not be acceptable for Obama - hence the mention of the monkey cartoon.
I personally believe that for Obama, the lines taken will be sinilar to those used for Condi Rice - more high brow.
Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
A lot of black comedians base their whole act around black and white stereotypes. The jokes aren't necessarily racist, but a white comedian would never get away with doing the same thing.
labda, I appreciate that, really though! other than some dumb azz black comics somewhere out there in TV land, I don't think you will hear the common black person making jokes about other black people or other races at that. Fact is is that most of us black people know better to not make racial fun of other people, simply because we know how much it hurts.
And yes white people can make up jokes about anybody they want! after all where would one expect that racism started.
When (not if) jokes about Obama start flying around I don't think there'll be a problem as long as they aren't racist. There will be plenty of things to take the p!ss out of him for.
But I think I see your point Brit - the problem occurs when people don't understand the joke. The perfect example being the cartoon of Obama dressed as an Islamic extremist on the front of whichever US magazine it was.
But I agreed that a monkey portrayal would probably not go down too well, regardless of the intent behind it.
Britexpat, why would you want to poke fun at Obama? He's the sweetest little thing ever! No but seriously, I don't think too many Black people would react "well" to an Obama joke unless they were the ones telling it. :S It's different when its nice and innocent like your Tiger Woods joke. But you put a monkey in the sentence and my sense of humour flies out the door. LOL
why is there a need to make dumb azz jokes anyway? especially if they are racially motivated! Heres one for ya, what is short, narrow, pink and stands at attention at the site of a "pussy"
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kenya queen...no worries.. my wife is from trinidad and tobago,im on your side 4 sure.. i dont like racist jokes but there is nothing wrong with joking about obama as long as it isnt a racist joke...
Haha, good one Britexpat!
"Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is our new president. And I think I speak for most Americans when I say, anybody mind if he starts a little early?" --David Letterman
In a way I'll miss Bush! Now he was the butt of all jokes!! haha. Its def. harder to joke about Barack, and not necessarily from the racial front. Let's admit it, the guy is respected. Most Clinton jokes involve Monica, so until this man slips up...
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alexa who would have believed that the white people will vote for a black man in america,??? i mean you can never predict the future . if someone had said that a black man will be the president of the strongest nation on earth a year ago i would have said that the person was on drugs, but looks whats happening today? never say never!!!
Red- let me make myself clear, I don't think there is any harm in joking about Obama, I am just curious why there has to be racial jokes. Many blacks just like many whites don't like racial jokes and perhaps feel the same way I do about them. They encourrage our youth to be racially divided, youth don't think the way we do and they think literally ( most of the time) So, to me jokes just keep racism going. Doesn't matter if its a white or black person telling them. Matter of fact I think racial joke about blacks is even worst when a black is telling them or other oppressed races.
If I were an african citizen my reason for voting would totally be different to voting if I were an american. Africa is a basically a black country, I more than likely would not have been discriminated by other blacks as the in the way we are discriminated here in the western society. There fore I would be voting based on pure politically policies if there was a white person running for president and I agreed with his policies than I'd vote for them. Given that I really am not a follower of politics here in the US or canada I would say, if I were american and had to vote in this particular election then I think you know the out come of my vote. I'D have voted for history!
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REPORTER (to Barack Obama): At the Academy Awards, Jon Stewart made fun of the fact that your last name, Obama, sounds like Osama, the name of the most hated man on the planet. What is your reaction?
BARACK OBAMA: Besides the unfortunate name similarity, Osama Bin-Laden and I have nothing in common. One of us is a confident, ethnic man with devoted supporters and a clear vision for the future, and the other is about to become President.
There has been white governmental powers in africa and look what has happened in the past with south africa (just one country to mention} that president was voted in by blacks as well as a majority whites. I am still baffled at the fact that a white government discriminated against a country that is originally, dominantly black. how in the heck did they get away with it. Also, just to inform you, white americans were not the first to inhabited the united states. Again the US was built by the sweat, blood and death of many immigrants who were not white (yes whites did help build the US) but yet other races other than white were kept out of power. Anyway, I don't think the african people in general would be as mean spirited towards a white president there as they may be here.
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You're quite right Britexpat. To the average man who has not had the fortune of being educated, the white man is probably regarded with mistrust. But to those who have had the priviledge of learning from the legacy of many distinguished scholars who happened to be white eg those in the judiciary/scientific fields etc we know better than to judge a significant portion of a race based on the idiocy of one man. All comes done to education I guess, and quite frankly the West has more educated people and is thus expected to make the more informed and less emotionally driven decision.
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I totaly agree with your last comment about "comparison". That is why i mentioned Ian Smith. He has left a legacy of hatred and tarnished the "white man" for years to come..
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Britexpat I think my generation is quite fed up with "the old guards" and ESPECIALLY the deeply rooted tribalism. If a fresh face came up that was not of the same skin colour but who had political clout, say Rahm Emanuel ;) for example, I really believe people would vote for him. Whether he'd get ENOUGH votes to put him in power, is a whole different issue all together. ;)
May I just say though the situation is NOT the same as it was in the US. With respect to the US elections 'black' represented the historically oppressed race. In Africa and many parts of the world 'white' represents 'the oppressor'. You cannot compare the two situations. Therefore, you cannot compare the mindset of voters who are presented with a black man in the US as a candidate for Presid. and those voters in Africa who are presented with a white man.
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I think that you may be an exception. I agree with your comments regarding Asians. I have some Asian friends from Uganda and South Africa and they are more focused on business than involvement in politics.
However, i don't belive that the "atmosphere" is yet ripe for a white guy to be taken "seriously" in politics. People would instantly associate him with Ian Smith or similar..
If the man or woman was white and stood his own ground with respect to politics, then I would certainly vote for him/her. We have plenty of Kenyans who are caucasian/asian...but do they get involved in politics? Rarely! The Asians are the Doctors and the lawyers and the businessmen while the Caucaions are more into farming etc...Perhaps they're just not interested or their own fears of "will I be accepted given the colonial past" is what stops them.
Personally I would vote for the man/woman whose character and policies appealed to me most. If he/she happens to be white, my vote would still go to that person.
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Come on Alexa.. The white man wouldn't stand a chance.. The old coloniolism card will be played.
I might not Joke about our 44 president for know, but always my English fellows will be my main line of joke. I was wondering who will be the next President for Kenya, Don't you think this time he should be a white kenyan of English heritage, for a change of pace?
No need to be thin skin, just take it light when you are done reading.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
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Have we mentioned Chris Rocks' comment about Obama beating McCain?
"Everybody knows you can't beat a Kenyan in a race".
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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KenyaQ.. did you not see the picture with Obama's wife and Oprah...lol
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I'd voted for his policies, but I am canadian so I have to say I'd vote cause he is a total hottie!
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Is that hemmoroids with lipstick /?
Southland, Rahmbo was described as "a cross between a hemorroid and a toothache" :)
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If Alaska is sold to the Russians , then Japan will invade Alaska.
They need that oil pipe line for their own economy.
Funny part the US never uses that oil in our economy. The Alaskan citizens do get a monthly revenue check from the sales of that oil.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
I just thought of something..
Palin likes to show off her outdoors style.
Putin likes to pose in macho pictures. Remember the one of him shooting a tiger?
It would be a good match and the issue of Alaska could be resolved in the process..
Happy Veteran's Day
Rahm A.K.A. "Rahmbo"
McCain still a distinguished US Senator
Palin stiil a state governor
So is Jesse Jackson Jr. gonna be appointed to fill Obama's slot?
Selling Alaska back to Russia? Now there's spreadin' the wealth around ;)
A fool and his money are soon parted.
-Thomas Tusser
QS so you think his wife is Hot?? Look at the caption above .. Your are after his wife??...lol
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Yes I agree with you both Britexpat & UkEngQatar...he spoke loudly regarding his policy on Israel when he picked Emanuel. Let's hope it's not heavily skewed or we wont hear the end of it...on QL. ;)
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Apparently, he worked shortly as a civilian volunteer with the IDF during the first Gulf war.
don't know how about jokes, but his wifie is a REAL HOTTIE! uuuuu... mmmm...
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Emanual .. Yes well Brit now you are opening a new thread here.. I though the Indian size one bad enough..
Yes he is a bit too pro israel at the moment.. Is that just to please the Jewish lobby??? We will wait and see..
I learnt that Obama has visted Pakistan many a times during his student days on private visit to Friends..
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Sorry, i got confused.. When someone said "Emanuel in Washington", I started thinking of the lead character of a few films I happened to partake in the 80's...Enough said..
seriously though.. i like him. He's charismatic and has a presence about him. He can be a little arrogant, but having worked with Clinton, must be politically savvy.
My only worry is that he is very pro-Israel and this may not help the peace process. Having said that, Obama's main focus will be the economy and change within the nation.
LOL UkEngQatar!! My apologies for the 24 min delay in submitting my response! :D
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hahaha, cause he has Emanuel on his side and I got a crush on Emanuel! :P
Honestly Im pro Obama cause I think he can bring change to a significant number of issues. Not everything because no one can, but a significant number is good enough for me. He'll put things on track. I honestly believe in him.
I seriously like Emanuel though! He looks like he whips peoples asses, tough, shrewd guy...:) What do you think of him Britexpat?
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Labda would you girl answer brits question..
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Give it to us straight. Would you vote for "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh Bama" because he's cute or because of his policies..
Hahaha, these are good UkEngQatar...
I especially like the "toast" one :D
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Is that you in Picture RP.. or is it your twin that she sobbing on...lol
O father forgive me for my saying...lol
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From the picture, Oprah looks smitten..
From know on If you are suffering from the Bradley effect, just grab a republican white mans shoulder and lean on it real hard.
Mrs. Oprah did it, not knowing that person, except he was a democrat.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
especially "now available in black" & "bitch, keep lookin"
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May the force be with him.. I hope he rsorts less to using force and more to negotiating with the rebels..
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I liked peguin and Catwoman.. kerbbbbbbbaaaaamm
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Watulike
But some people in Cali fornication would love to re-paint the white house Pink or the rainbow colors. Too bad, Proposition 8 is banning them.
Britexpat
I'm glad you could follow my joke.
Supernurse
About American football pads for the shoulders who are carrying those chips ahoy?
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Oh no! Who put the chips back?
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the great man of america lead his elction campaign with the caption 'change'....
yes he is going to prove his words by naming the white house to "black house"
wat a man... salute to all blacks, [including me!!]
To the president of the most powerful nation in the world, one can only say "Yes Sir! Mr President Sir"..
HAHAHA Good one! They probably need some "Cod fish oil" to clear their throats from all that Flem.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Britexpat, I got the prop 8 and prep H lol......I wonder what would pertain to the women?
britexpat said:
Q: How many Obamas does it take to change a light bulb?
A: It takes only one, It has to be English.
His name is Britexpat,
Just remember to reply like this: Yes Sir, Master Obama!
LOL
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Q: How many Obamas does it take to change a light bulb?
A. Only one, but it has to be a change the light bulb can believe in.
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I thought about this, Maybe, in the future elections:
There will be a third party to choose from, in the electoral ballot, for a Presidential candidate of the Gay population.
That will not surprise at all.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
I'm going to pray to my God, so he could speak to your God, for some anti=gay and divine intervention.
Is all good, I'm not mad at you at all. You are entitled to your opinion.
In celebration of Proposition 8, I will open a credit line for free alcoholic drinks the next time I see you.
Amen to that!
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
I know they did, but who else were they going to support?
he even mentioned the gays in his acceptance speech.. if you were listening.
The strange thing is that the "National Gay and Lesbian Task Force" actually sup[ports Obama..
OK.. here's a thought that just came to mind after reading Gypsy's post..
Why do Preposition 8 and Preperation H sounds so much alike ?? Anyone else noticed that ??
anything about the lesbians
Sorry RP, I can't support any politician that doesn't support gay marriage. But then again, I'm lucky, i'm from a country that truely believes in freedom for everyone, rather then a country full of hypocrits.
yea lets blame Obama for everything.. i have a head ache.. its obamas fault, got toothache Obama, accident on the corniche, i saw obama speeding past...come on pple ????
Obama
Proposition 8 has nothing to do with Obama. You are just an upset drama queen.
The State of California, the gay population and the Right wing are responsible for the outcome of Proposition 8.
The people of America spoke via a transparent Democratic Election, either you like it or not, the outcome of Gay MArriage is done and voted. Too bad for those who oppose proposition 8,
Gypsy, shit happens!
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Simply by even saying he doesn't support gay marriage because of his Christian beliefs meant that people followed him on that. He should have kept his mouth shut, instead he made it so that now gays don't even have civil union rights.
As far as I know, in Illinois, Obama supported legislation to outlaw discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
He says that he supports civil unions, but is against gay marriage because of his "Christian Beliefs".
Therefore, if the partners can get the same rights through "civil unions", then there should be no problem..
There is a brand new social virus; The scientific name for it: "The Black liberal guilt Bug."
But, that financial small pox still lingering in the environment world wide, very strong and steady, without a proper vaccine to halt it.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Obama is against gay marriage and was instrumental in Prop 8 being passed. Thanks to him and others like him, gay marriage is no longer recognized in 3 states and in 1 state gay couples can no longer adopt. If this is the "change" he's talking about, then it's not the "change" I want.
britexpat, I think he recently opposed gay marriages...
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You've lost me ..
"I'm already referring to the homophobic prick as Oh bummer, so there you go."
Are you suggesting that the president elect is homophobic ??
I would say he's Kenyan American!! hahaha (only joking) but Im sure kenyaqueen would agree with me?? Nah, she wouldn't she's not even Kenyan if I recall well...all American. ;)
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Is Obama American African or African American? Can some one clarify..
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Full moon party?! Yeah? Ok, I'm going to PM you so that I don't bother these good people with my barrage of questions, lol...
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UkEngQatar, which beach party?? Sounds like fun...;)
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omarsk, i support your point...
Labda it the full moon party at the Intercon on thursday the 13th...
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i am a white person too against racism.. i am married to a black lady from the trinidad and tobago, and i see no difference in her colour,.. i support you ringo, and kenya queen.. obama should be given a chance.....
I can't be bothered reading this whole thread, but in response to the Obama being portrayed as a monkey, I don't think that will happen, not so much because of the race issue but, because, unlike W. the man does not resemble a chimp.
As for Obama jokes, I'm already referring to the homophobic prick as Oh bummer, so there you go.
kenyaqueen, i support you....its a pity how SOME WHITE PEOPLE act when there is a black person in a position of power.we are all the same. The blacks have lived with this all their lives in America, to be discriminated against, and still survive all those years. now that a black man is president, someone is worried if they can joke about him. who cares if you joke or not? im sure it would not affect Obama. George bush who is white was there for how many years ,all he did was destroy the world and cause more hatred amongst every race. now its , oh!! he is arab, oh he is black, or she;s asian. lets give this guy a chance, i think this is a very shallow thread, and im sure has come from a very racist person... he will deny it, but im sure he is.. i am a white person, TOTALLY against racism and would love a person of colour to be the brit prime minister someday, it will take time, but im sure it will happen. why not???....
grow up you all its was a fun topic and you turned it serious :/
Labda no it was the Italian PM..lol
Anyway girl you up for the beach party at the Intercon on thursday??
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Britexpat, yeah I really enjoyed that!! As an aside, I absolutely love his pick for Chief of Staff. Any one who sends someone a rotten fish is my kinda guy. He's no pushover thats for sure! I like that.
Ukeng...Palin?? hahaha, wouldnt be surprised, lol
a.k.a...those guys will really get him, oh man, haha.
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I like your tan.. Who said to Obama..??
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I am interested to see Obama portrayed on South Park in an upcoming esp. Those guys have no mercy!
I got the "picture" as well, but thought better about posting it, in case it offended anyone.. Must say it was funny though..
Hey Alexa, I understand what you're saying and I too apologise for my "unfriendly" posts. It's easy to get opinions running high on matters of race, religion and nationality esp. on QL. We simply differ on the approach to addressing racism. I'm often too sarcastic for my own good but its in my DNA and at the end of the day, like many people, all I want is for things to change.
General - To be honest I pity Obama. I think he just has wayyyyy too much on his plate. I was sent my first Obama joke yesterday...a truck load of his "relatives" on route to the White House, it was soooo funny but it took me a few seconds to think of it as a joke and not an attack on black people, Africans in general etc etc. I soon sent it off to most of my friends and family and the responses I've received so far were all "ROFL" and the like. I dont think Obama will be taking jokes about himself too seriously because that will be an unncessary distraction (like he doesn't have bigger things to worry about eg. which puppy to get his daughters ;). So if he can do it, maybe the rest of us Black folk can, but lol, it'll take time!
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You never told me that before, did you?
Can't wait to meet your mum ;o)
No wait! That's Hawaii ....
if you were to view me in person you'd never know I was "red" american...but I am half...it doesn't matter what you look like, its what's inside that counts.
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
lord have mercy girl...I was drinking wine and almost spewed it out my nose when reading your first post...you are GREAT!!!
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
What? ;)
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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I love Obama.. I think he's great for the USA, but I feel that people are expecting too much of him and perhaps he's promised more than he can deliver..
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“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Dude are you suffering delusional paranoia already?
Give me a break with your "tuning issues."
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
That sounds a bit racist.. I hope you find your "soul mate" whatever colour she may be..
Just been watching an interview with Obama .. He's already changing his tune slightly..
I hope in four years time, we don't call him "Oh Bummer"
I didn't take your statement as anti-black. However it was prudish, something I would expect a person of your race to say. Trust me I have heard it all before. I feel bad that anybody is discriminated against not matter the color of their skin, I would like to remind you though that the white race never in history as a whole have been discriminated against for the color of their skin. Not only in america but in just about every place you set your foot on on this planet there is hatered for the black race. You as a white person have not been systematically discounted in jobs, houses, prohibited from traveling, denied food, clothing ect.. And I am not talking just about the past. Racism is an epidemic, not only by whites and blacks, by every race. so, you see when you make remarks like the one earlier than I have to you correct yourself.
when I listen to the news or read papers here in north america, there is always someone being racially discriminated against, I have seen stories about east indians, chinese, blacks,native indians being discriminated against but I have yet to see a story about a white person being racially discriminated against especially in mainstream america. Is this they are not reporting it? or is it because it is practically a non- issue for them.
Anyway as bad as I feel for your friend and you being discriminated against I feel for you. But take a step back and look at all the brown faces around you that have had racism casted upon them all their lives and it ain't gonna go anywhere soon.
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You can't teach experience...
The fact that we're all linking to and quoting Daily Show jokes left, right and centre shows that there'll definitely be plenty of jokes about Obama.
Black liberal guilt...
Come on south, today is a new day and we are past this issues.
We are square, white and black, is good to be the "man.
Racism is done, Yet, WE ARE SQUARE, BUT NOT STUPID!
To have a Nuclear arsenal and the keys for Fort knox and all that gold, it FEELS JUST ABOUT RIGHT!
jESSIE JACKSON AS TUESDAY IS OUT OF A JOB! Why do you think he was crying?
WATCH OUT FOR THOSE MASSAGE PARLORS, THEY CALL THEM, HALF INDIANS BUT THEY ALWAYS LEAVE US half sad.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
He even refered to himself as a "mutt"
And plans to adopt one I think...
You can't teach experience...
Search for The Daily Show with John Stewart and find the video clip titled "Black Liberal Guilt". It is worth the effort, if you have a sense of American humor.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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:( Southland, I cant view it for some reason...
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You kids never take the bait. If you wanna laugh, follow the link I posted to The Daily Show with John Stewart.
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Alexa, I don't think you realise the tone of the posts you have made, perhaps you did not realise it. Why is it ok for you to make "unfriendly posts" but when I pose the question seeking your reasoning mine are considered unfriendly? Sorry but some things I feel strongly about. This is one of them. Using your yardstick I consider your posts quite unfriendly as well.
It would be a shame if you will take this discussion personally. In as much as I respect you, I stand by my posts. This is not a personal attack Alexa, this is my views vs. your views.
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you made a comment that suggest that blacks always bring up the race card, I didn't bring this up or suggest it you did. You previous post suggest that you are against blacks conversing about racial issues and that we/I am playing the race card and your cynical remarks regarding " its ok for blacks to but not white" suggest that you have an issue. Your above statement is not profound to me. I bet it I take your mask off you got a boogie man in you itching to get out and run wild!
You mess with me, you get the boot.... ok thats just a joke lol!
by the lighten up ya ole fart
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Alexa, know this, I dont appreciate being lumped together with the remarks other people made. Show me where I was unfriendly towards you or made a nasty remark towards YOU...you will not see ladba06 near that remark.
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Alexa, you come on this thread, make several allegations and when I respond to them, you basically say "No, leave me alone." Are you aware of the topic of this thread? Issues were raised...you really need not comment on them if this is a discussion that doesnt suit your fancy! Were you following the posts or did you just read "race" somewhere and jump to conclusions?
May I just say I am not angry. This is a discussion. If you cannot handle it, and I say this with respect, simply leave this discussion.
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folk I uploaded this pic for a bit just to show you that I am black and even though my daughter (in the back ground) is very light skinned, in north america she is considered black. I am mixed myself. But I am black- blacker than Obama. Obama is considered black. When a person of another race calls him the "N" word it is because he is black. He was born black and when he dies he will be black.
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I know Red Pope, believe me I know what you're saying. And I'm honoured that you consider me a friend, ditto Popsy ;) But a lot of people wouldn't know your interpretation of negrito (which apparently is also a group of people in the Phillipines). I knew it meant something endearing and trust me I didn't take offence because I know you. Honestly I just dont like that word, because of the history behind it, so can you imagine me calling a fellow black person "Ni##er"? It just will not happen. I cannot make excuses for others who do.
By the way you owe me a beer for beating you at arm wrestling ;)
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but like many blacks I celebrated from within and I celebrated the great efforts of those before Mr. President Obama. A few names to mention martin, rosa, lincoln, kennedy, malcolm,marcus, fredrick.
Re; Alexa. I think its time he let the boogie man with in himself out and experience reality. lol
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There was a purpose for me to write "Negrito," in most latin america, specially in the Caribbean Island is like saying in a dear terms to some one you love or a close friend. Is not use in any prejudice way.
The sad part was is that I learn the definition of the "N", when I join the Army, It puzzle the hell out of me, when black soldiers will call each other the "N" word and my supervisor was black. The explanation was, it is not correct for others to use it, but among our race is just a cultural thing.
Through the years, I did establish a different definition for it and would not accept the usage of the word "N" and many other innuendos of racism towards others races in my presence or allow any other soldiers that I was responsible for or you will face some kind of disciplinary penalty under my recommendations in front of the commander in charge.
yet , the jokes are always there, but in a civilize manner.
Yes , I did celebrate with tears of cheer and overwhelm satisfaction the Nomination of our 44th and first African-American US president.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
People don't call us negros anymore. Let me re-phrase that, some do, but many of us Blacks choose not to accept that. This one doesn't. I don't make exceptions, friend or foe. Black, white or red. Or Popes.
You're confession booth sounds very inviting though...
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Oye Negrito, check this out.
My Confession Booth is painted in black and white, but the roof is maroon. How about that?
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
@ kenyaqueen, did you have yourself an Obama party???! hahahaha, I did.
@ timtan, Im not British. And you're still a twat.
@ Alexa..."So...black people make no jokes about white people....right!" I really dont see where anyone claimed that on this thread???? And no I don't find this discussion ridiculous. Its the elephant in the room. Are we going to ignore it or keep talking about it until something changes. Personally I wont tire of talking. I'm curious to know though whether you were implying it's always blacks who come up with the race card?
Tallg, Iv found myself saying "Im black...." and have people trying to correct me by saying "You're not black, you're brown". And though I understand what they're saying...I'm black, period. And I always make sure they get that.
David_B (lol at the Native American People thing, haha)and najamss, I find it quite ironic how "non-blacks" will quickly say "Oh she's black" when the person is obviously mixed race...but you have someone who accomplishes something big, like Obama and suddenly its "He's HALF WHITE though"...lol. Obama himself is proud of his caucasion lineage. But he's black. Dont take my word for it, lol, ask him yourself. hehe
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najamss - it's a definition. He's an African American - i.e. a Black American. They don't have a "scale of of blackness" to determine if someone qualifies to be called black or not.
Think about it - most black people are not actually black if you take the literal definition of the colour, are they? Ditto most white people aren't actually white.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=209423&title=Black-Liberal-Guilt
A fool and his money are soon parted.
-Thomas Tusser
if it wasn't known through the media that his mother was white, what race would you think he looks like?
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Who said that he is black. He is mixed, his mother was white so how could he be black?
now he is elected as the President of the Useless Souls of all time..LET THE JOKES BEGIN..Obama that is the city in Japan so he must be half Japanese..
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I hear it all the time. Getting to the bottom of racial issues is no different then getting to the bottom of issues such as, is islam or christianity for real and if it is what makes one better than the other. Anyway, I got one word for your old self, well! maybe two "stuff it" I don't like your tone but after all for the most part we have freedom of speech on these forms. What makes you think that any one is playing a race card? you ole fool
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I hear it all the time. Getting to the bottom of racial issues is no different then getting to the bottom of issues such as, is islam or christianity for real and if it is what makes one better than the other. Anyway, I got one word for your old self, well! maybe two "stuff it" I don't like your tone but after all for the most part we have freedom of speech on these forms. What makes you think that any one is playing a race card? you ole fool
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"After Barack Obama was declared the winner, President Bush called Obama, promised to work with him to guarantee a smooth transition. Yeah. Yeah, when we heard this, Obama said, 'Thanks, but you've done enough.'"
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"Barack Obama was joined on stage by Bruce Springsteen in Ohio on Sunday. There was one tense moment when somebody in the audience yelled out, 'Born in the USA!' And Obama said, 'For the last time, yes, damnit, I was!"
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"At a rally in Florida, Barack Obama was interrupted by a protest group calling themselves 'Blacks Against Obama.' Actually, a pretty small group. It's just Condoleezza Rice and Jesse Jackson."
yep this story is a great example of what racism does to people. In my teen years I grew to dislike black people myself, and I am black. As I got older I accessed why I disliked my own race. It was simply because of what I heard in the media, what I seen in the media and of course from people in my surroundings, blacks and whites. as a black person, if all you hear about other blacks are the negative things then you grow to believe this. And sure I hear blacks call The "N" words to others mostly in the music, sometimes I even hear other blacks say whats up my "N". but being black doen't mean that all black people feel that it is ok for this to be happening.
By the way brit what was your reply when you heard this. I bet you interjected and said. listen what your saying is not right and its a racist remark, please don't use those comments while in my presents! lol
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Hate to say it, but I agree with you. The USA is a melting pot, hence racial/ethnic differences are more readily accepted. Europe on the whole has countries with specific ethnic mixes.
I agree that we are not yet ready for a black leader, but we are moving in the right direction..
As for racism, it exists in all walks of life. As I said previously, I have met Africans, who are racist against other Africans.
Funniest true story.. I worked with a few African Americans. One guy, whilst black, dressed like an "ivy league" type and always said that he was from a mixed race.. One day they got into an argument after a few drinks.. One of the African Americans turned to me and said - quote " Don't listen to him man, the Mo##er Fu##er is a N###er, no matter what he says"..
Gawd, theres soo much chip fat bubbling around here..........
am lmao @at the count blackcula, never heard that one before.
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You know we all have grown up hearing stereotypes about other races and we beleive them right into our adulthood. Why? One thing I noticed about this site and a few others like it is there is always jokes about indians, phillipinos, arabs and blacks but I rearly see jokes posted regarding whites. I wonder why that is? especially on this site because I am sure by the topics that read not everyone on here is white.
Dopeople realize what racial joking and plain ole discrimination does to the people you are doing it to. Do people realize that blacks are the most feared and hated by people that haven't visited an african country, that have no black friends or who aren't even born yet lol..
And here is something else to think about if you are a person reading this that is not white. If you are one to be discriminating against any body I pity you if you ever come to north america or even europe. Beleive me it won't be long before you feel the way someone your making fun of feels. If ever you notice you can only get jobs in the cleaning industry, taxi industry, or some meanial job or you can't get the education you deserve because your not ivy enough then don't complain because those that have experienced it knows what it is like.
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I visited europe and there was so much blunt racism there, not just against blacks but others including other.
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Honestly, I believe the "N" word originated from the British during the Empire and colonization era.
Specially during the times of the British slave trade to the United States.
My views:
1- The United States still a very young Nation, who has merged from the days colonization and slavery to whom we are right know. Either you like it or not.
2- We have shown the world, that we are willing to change, adapt and overcome by a popular democratic vote.
Including the election by the people, of the first African-American USA President.
3- I believe that the Europeans need to start electing a black president or prime minister more often.
Honestly I believe that Europe, still divided and is full of racism and prejudice today towards the black population.
The United States has reach the cross roads of racism and equal opportunity by electing a black President.
The rest of the world should learn from this moment in history.
Correct me, If I'm wrong my English People.
Maybe your next Prime minister is black or the French will elect a black President.
Dammed sure I will love to see that in my life time.
I doubt, if that ever happens in Europe at all.
Hopefully some of those royal English kids will fall in love and get married with a Mulatta that will tear their butt upside down.
That will defiantly will break "The English Royal White iceberg in half."
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
You already have Count blackcula already in the books. Do you Remember the movie, the cereal and the cartoon?
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
RP, thank you for Papal enlightenment.
"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"
The answer is in the Constitution of the United States.
President Obama was born in the United States, Governor Arnold was not born in United States.
“Be fearful when others are greedy, and be greedy when others are fearful,”
Just a quick question to those Americans in the know,
How come Arnie Schwarznegger, an Austrian/American cannot become President (god forbid), yet Barak Obama, an African/American can ?
"only mad dogs and englishmen go out in the midday sun"
What percentage of a persons ethnic background qualifies them to be black, brown, yellow, white or green? I overheard a visibly caucasian American gentleman telling someone that he was a "Red Indian". The only "Indian" thing about him was his long hair, he didn't even have a horse. Barack Obama is "black" yet his mother was "white". 50/50. Is the glass half full or half empty? He was born in the US and he is an American...period.
I am assuming your not that dumb to believe that
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I am assuming your not that dumb to believe that
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Listen folks my mother is white, father is black, We grew up in a white surroundings all my life. I come from an almost remote part of canada. I never new racism until I left my home town to live in a bigger city. I never heard the word Nigger, Honkey or what ever it is they call each other untill then. When we got in arguments at school I never heard a white kid call me that name and I never called them racial names. As a matter of fact I can remember the first time I was called a nigger, it was by a 5 year old white child. I wonder now about that child and I am willing to bet that that child hates any race or anything that is not white. Racism starts with in the family and is carried out by people who make comments like timtan.
For those of you that are saying We Blacks think that it is ok for a black to call a white man racial names, I think you got it all wrong. I have a feeling you are basing this view on what you see on TV and in the media. Average, white people and black people don't call each others these names and don't practice racism, this is why we now have obama. As far as some people having chips on their shoulders, I don't know if you are white or not but in the case you are not white. I'd like for you to come to north america or europe and lets see how long it will take for you to be discriminated against, wheater it be because you are arab, indian, muslim, or just simply because your skin is not white. Nowhere in this world have I travelled have I been more disrespected by people than in my own country canada. Not just by whites but by others who think they are racially above other people.
If it seems that some blacks living here in the western world have a "BIG OLE CHIP" on there shoulder then your probably right. I personally don't have a chip on my shoulder. However, I like to have my opinion on these forms voiced.
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There is no problem with a white man calling a black man BLACK, it's only when when we are called a N****R or when we are called lazy,dirty,drug addicts. These generalizations are when we consider that person 2 be racist.
racism talks yet again,eh?ho hum!
"a white man can not call a black man BLACK"
When was that decided??? Stating that someone is black is not racist.
And what does me being a Brit have to do with anything?
Richard Pryor was one of my favourites.. His jokes about white folk were superb and in today's environment could be construed as racist..
The Daily Show milking the last few drops of humour out of the election. A few Obama jokes included (only nice ones though, what with them loving him and all);
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=209402
(or watch it tonight at 9pm on ShowComedy).
jokes for president of america is must thing ... always good way to pinpoint (sometime correct critics}... obama n osama is cool ...
What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?
One is a well dressed, attractive piece of eye-candy. The other kills her own food.
The jokes started and are going around mobiles in Qatar.
I'm glad that Obama has been elected President of the USA. I like the guy, so no mean jokes about him :@.
Good morning everyone.
why tallg, you shock me! I never thought! lol
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You need to learn to be more direct kenyaqueen, like labda is. Just say what you see - timtan is a twat!
I mean timtan. Thanks for clearing that up.
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britexpat, why make such racist jokes anyway?whats the point? thats what the world doesnt need any more,there are so many jokes out there,... i dont get it why must the joke be a racist one? i hav lots of friends in australia that come from england and they always loose it when they are called names by people out there. i think the world should shy away from all these racism..
Britexpat I think you are refering to kenyaqueens remarks "And yes white people can make up jokes about anybody they want! after all where would one expect that racism started."
I think that was directed at that twat (sorry Moderator) timtan, not you ;)
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Forget the freaking jokes...i got a email yesterday already claiming he's the anti christ..i mean wtf what is it about US presidents and people thinking they are the Anti christ?? seriously when Bush got elected they were saying the same thing about him.
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and I found it humorous. Matter of fact I always find you humorous and interesting and I always appreciate and look fordward to what you have to say, U R 1 of my favs on QL. I just felt like adding those comments.
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The Tiger Woods joke is a great favourite of mine.
Kenyaqueen misunderstood my point. All, I was trying to say was that with Obama in office, people will have to be careful with the type of humour used. What worked in caricuturizing Dubya, will not be acceptable for Obama - hence the mention of the monkey cartoon.
I personally believe that for Obama, the lines taken will be sinilar to those used for Condi Rice - more high brow.
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Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
Sure white comics get away with it, george karlen, is a great example, big time! of course he based his making racial jokes on the same stereotypes that black comics do. He was great at it and and blacks or other races couldn't have been too offended, he always filled a room with blacks, whites, indians ect.. way. There are other whites and east indian comics as well, I think they tell the jokes in away that was not offensive to the public. I do think for the most part, black comics tell jokes about blacks that portray how they are truly viewed by society both black society and others. Years before black comics came along there were always stereotypes out there that basically came from the media, which in turn helped racism flourish. The public especially whites didn't believe that there was racism against blacks. So, u c blacks brought these stereotyes of themselves to the stage. Now, you can truly see that there is racism out there.
kenyaqueen, I agree with you. ;)
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A lot of black comedians base their whole act around black and white stereotypes. The jokes aren't necessarily racist, but a white comedian would never get away with doing the same thing.
labda, I appreciate that, really though! other than some dumb azz black comics somewhere out there in TV land, I don't think you will hear the common black person making jokes about other black people or other races at that. Fact is is that most of us black people know better to not make racial fun of other people, simply because we know how much it hurts.
And yes white people can make up jokes about anybody they want! after all where would one expect that racism started.
When (not if) jokes about Obama start flying around I don't think there'll be a problem as long as they aren't racist. There will be plenty of things to take the p!ss out of him for.
But I think I see your point Brit - the problem occurs when people don't understand the joke. The perfect example being the cartoon of Obama dressed as an Islamic extremist on the front of whichever US magazine it was.
But I agreed that a monkey portrayal would probably not go down too well, regardless of the intent behind it.
(btw Rizks - only Obama's Dad is black.)
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
LOL at kenyaqueen.
Britexpat, why would you want to poke fun at Obama? He's the sweetest little thing ever! No but seriously, I don't think too many Black people would react "well" to an Obama joke unless they were the ones telling it. :S It's different when its nice and innocent like your Tiger Woods joke. But you put a monkey in the sentence and my sense of humour flies out the door. LOL
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Hahah, they don't even dare to touch Obama.
it'll be like when Harbajan Singh called Andrw Symonds a Monkey...
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LOL kenyaqueen!!!
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
why is there a need to make dumb azz jokes anyway? especially if they are racially motivated! Heres one for ya, what is short, narrow, pink and stands at attention at the site of a "pussy"
A british prick.
Compared to the earlier guys we didn't need to make up stuff coz so much of it was real.. With Obama I guess we'll have to wait till he slips up... :)
YES!
Racism is bound to rear its ugly head..
Perhaps I am wrong, but a simple example..
We've all seen the caricature of Dubya portrayed as a monkey.. Would you be able to do the same with Obama??
Why is OBAMA BLACK ??????
Because his parents are Black Too ....!!:)
Exactly Tallg.
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Why does Obama present a different challenge? Because he's black?
lol. have you seen the fake obama, mccain dance showdown on youtube? its hilarious!
and as for your question, i think they will..
cheers,
paul
What do call a black man being chased by 100 white guys with sticks?
Tiger Woods.
Yeah Brit, I agree they will be misconstrued. Forunately, I don't much care about being politically correct :)
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