unacceptable !!!!!

ala7mad79.....they are already being punished by having to live here :D

u know i think u should have taken a picture or short video.. and send it to media...

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u know i think u should have taken a picture or short video.. and send it to media...

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i really cann't imagine how these poeple think , and who allow themselves handle with maids as slaves !! this is unexpected .. look i beleive that those kind of poeple who do such this thing.. they will be punished oneday..

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I may be wrong, but that old chestnut 'what would you do if you were locked in the car and only had a hammer with you' springs to mind.

I think the answer is that you pull up the lock knob thingie on the door sill, to open it, and thus get out.

Maybe doesn't work on all cars ...

"Watch out for the pedestrian ..... It's on the road; it knows the risks its taking!"

Apology accepted.Thank u butterfly.i have learned a lot.it really hurt me when u felt i made it up.anyway.no hard feelings hey thats what we have QL fro,to learn,share and have fun.

so have a nice day

thanks pm for ye support.

My apologies. It just shocks me that you did nothing about it even thought you thought she was locked inside. It reminded me an earlier post about a woman who had been raped and there were cars passing by and nobody did nothing to help.

I find that kind of thing very upsetting and I tend to believe that if you see someone in such a dangerous situation and do nothing, you are as guilty as the abuser himself.

So if your story it´s true, I hope you have learnt from it, and next time you act according to your principles.

i totally agree, things like that shouldn't be ignored..

you should have stood up for what u believe!!

anyway...

atleast she survived..

Your response to my post is very confusing.

Why did you feel guilty UNTIL you read my post?? "She was enjoying a sauna", what's that about???

Did you not read what I wrote? My concern wasn't that the maid didn't have water ... I was concerned at your lack of actions, you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help her situation

You thought she was locked in and still walked on by.

The windows in the car, fair enough she may not know how to "roll" sorry "wind" them down (I know modern cars don't have the rolling action anymore to get them down, but I am stuck in the 80's still with my terminology) my point was you didn't do anything. That is what angered me. You didn't even try.

(By the way, some cars you have 3 minutes or so when you can still use the windows when engine is off ... but again, this is not my actual point)

You posted on here and expatwoman about the situation (with responses back to your post saying for you to not worry), this is why I had to say something, you should worry, you should have felt bad.

A question for you to ponder, if it was reported in the paper that a housemaid died in locked car in carpark, would you have posted that you saw it but did nothing????

As for your example of not saying anything to the employer of a maid sitting alone in a restaurant, while I think that is bad, it is not life threatening.

By the way, I have put my neck out here in saving a maid, and I felt wonderful for doing it. She is now happily back in the Philliphines.

Your quoting religion and islam in your post is irrelevant. It is down to what is in your own heart.

I hope that you have learnt from this experience, and next time will actually do something concrete when you see somone who is in a potential life threatening situation. I do believe you have a good heart, as you were concerned ... but you must do something when you think someones life is in danger.

That is the message we should all get from this thread.

"She sees someone in a dangerous situation and does nothing about it.

Then she goes to QL and posts the story for us to rant about it. But when we tell her that she should have called the police she starts to make up excuses. Lets just say that it doesn´t sound very honest. If she really felt that that was unacceptable, she would have taken some action instead.

That´s why I think she is making this up."

There is a saying that says people with glass houses shouldnt throw stones at other people.

I am a new member to the forum but have been checking it for quite some time,i never thought i would be insulted for posting something.what will u ask next witnesses,or forensic evidence.

Its puzzling me that someone like u,who has been sexually( both physically and verbally) harrased(as in some of yr ealier posts in this forum)is giving me lectures on calling the police.

When a man called u a fat wh***,in yr last trimester,did u call the police ?NO.did u do something about it?Yes u posted it in QL?

Isnt this what forums r for?Exchange of experience,knowledge?

Or u just disagree with each and every single post here.

"She sees someone in a dangerous situation and does nothing about it.

Then she goes to QL and posts the story for us to rant about it. But when we tell her that she should have called the police she starts to make up excuses. Lets just say that it doesn´t sound very honest. If she really felt that that was unacceptable, she would have taken some action instead.

That´s why I think she is making this up."

There is a saying that says people with glass houses shouldnt throw stones at other people.

I am a new member to the forum but have been checking it for quite some time,i never thought i would be insulted for posting something.what will u ask next witnesses,or forensic evidence.

Its puzzling me that someone like u,who has been sexually( both physically and verbally) harrased(as in some of yr ealier posts in this forum)is giving me lectures on calling the police.

When a man called u a fat wh***,in yr last trimester,did u call the police ?NO.did u do something about it?Yes u posted it in QL?

Isnt this what forums r for?Exchange of experience,knowledge?

Or u just disagree with each and every single post here.

"She sees someone in a dangerous situation and does nothing about it.

Then she goes to QL and posts the story for us to rant about it. But when we tell her that she should have called the police she starts to make up excuses. Lets just say that it doesn´t sound very honest. If she really felt that that was unacceptable, she would have taken some action instead.

That´s why I think she is making this up."

There is a saying that says people with glass houses shouldnt throw stones at other people.

I am a new member to the forum but have been checking it for quite some time,i never thought i would be insulted for posting something.what will u ask next witnesses,or forensic evidence.

Its puzzling me that someone like u,who has been sexually( both physically and verbally) harrased(as in some of yr ealier posts in this forum)is giving me lectures on calling the police.

When a man called u a fat wh***,in yr last trimester,did u call the police ?NO.did u do something about it?Yes u posted it in QL?

Isnt this what forums r for?Exchange of experience,knowledge?

Or u just disagree with each and every single post here.

She sees someone in a dangerous situation and does nothing about it.

Then she goes to QL and posts the story for us to rant about it. But when we tell her that she should have called the police she starts to make up excuses. Lets just say that it doesn´t sound very honest. If she really felt that that was unacceptable, she would have taken some action instead.

That´s why I think she is making this up.

recently when I was in line at the airport, I saw a big man. Very tall and in perfect health. He was wearing the traditional white clothing, but I couldn't really tell if he was qatari or not, as not all thobe wearing people are qataris. He had a maid with him. Definately not a wife. It was not just her clothing, but the expression on her face. She looked empty, without any hope. But that may just be speculation on my part.

The thing is, after asking the maid to give him their passports (she was carrying everything), he ordered her to lift up the luggage onto the conveyer belt. Anyone watching could see she had to struggle. Each bag was huge and certainly looked heavy. He just watched her. In the end the staff had to come to her help.

He didn't even bat an eye.

So, he's travelling with his slave, er sorry, his maid and I guess it's part of her job to help him?!

I know this sounds contradicting, but I don't mean to generalize. This was one isolated incident and I certainly haven't seen similar, but then again, seeing it once is enough.

That staying alive is making this whole thing up...but, please if anybody sees anything like that happening, it must be reported, we all (regardless of religion or nationality) have a moral responsability of helping somebody when we feel that their lifes are put in danger...and locking somebody inside a car, under the heat and with no AC is a life threatening situation!

i have had a car long enough to know if the ac is on or not.i wrote the ENGINE OFF so can some of u explain to me how i knew the ac was off without a running engine.

jahlee,i was guilty till i read yr post,coz "Regardless if the maid was left in the car of her own accord, or could get out of the car etc. ... you actually thought she was being left in the car in that heat and did NOTHING about it"well if she was enjoying a sauna,why should i even bother.

secondly if u have been here long enough u would know that most of these maids come from villages so i dont think,and excuse my assumptions,that the maid i saw would know she could unlock herself,which takes me to my next point,get her water....thats yr issue,if she is freaking locked and cant get out of a locked car THAT ISNT RUNNING how will she roll the windows ?ROLL ?

Neither the car i drive nor the Cadillac that she was in has manual windows,and i am sure i wont smash that glass!!!! I know how much it costs.

I suggest u research when u call the authorities and u get in trouble with a local,guess on who's side the LOCAL police r?

A friend of mine had a maid who HIT a baby when the maid was taken to the police,these were my friends options,take the maid back,send the maid to her country OR take her to the agency maybe someone will take her.no legal action was taken.So pls tell me when i call the police and tell them this,how long will i wait for them,they r busy reporting road accidents.

Next time u see a maid at a restaurant watching her sponsers eat,U go talk to them,and do let me know how they respond.

When I see these things happen, I can't contain myself.....I always end up yelling at the masters.....and boy do I rant. They are so shocked they don't know what to say.

The worst thing that can happen is deportation!

Here's something I saw today.

At megamart (the center), I was walking towards my car and I saw this guy walking towards his car with an indian/asian worker dragging the trolley. So the indian guy goes in a different direction than the other guy. The guy starts yelling at and abusing the indian so badly, calling him an idiot, an dumbass, a donkey, etc. just cause he went the other way!! I felt so mad, what gives this man to mistreat someone less fortunate like that just because he made a simple mistake of dragging the trolley the other way!!! So yeah that's my rant for the day.

I think you are both on the same page, Jaelee and Silverback.

I people see these atrocoties, they shouldnt just leave the scene then whinge like a hypocrit about how horrible people can be, they should have the initiative to do something about it at the time!

Well sorry to have upset u jaelee ....by the way isn't that a japanese name ??

Raminho...what if the engine is off....that is definately visiable & audiable.

Its not that they want the girl to suffer ...but it doesnt strike them that it can get hot....cause they even put their kids similarly.

Its akin to a landcruiser's nose a meter behind your car at 140kmph...it doesnt seem to them that there can be some sudden obstruction for which the front car might slow down suddenly.

Guess thepilot has met his european girls by now ....seemed like he was on a quick flight These guys really do have a "European Fixation"....Unless they think Europe to be a Country.

Grow up!!

As for accusing us of being "loosers", this just shows your immaturity.

Your comment about a rape or kidnapping is pathetic.

Sorry but what makes you think the AC is not switched on?

if you say you didnt hear it I'll say.... I dare you to stand outside my car and tell me whether the AC is on or off. you just cant hear it on some cars.

I dont think there is anyone who is like that

u guys r a joke .....u sit around and talk and talk and talk ....but that's all u ever do .....just like jaelee ....u're just "ranting" ..hahahahahahahaha.....that's it .....if u guys saw some woman being raped or some kid being kidnapped ...the first thing u loosers would think of is "oooh...that's a good topic for a post, when i'm sitting around doing jack at work tomorrow"...LOL

You should have called the police or AT LEAST spoke to the maid to make sure she was ok. You could have even brought her a couple of bottles of water maybe?? (I am sure she could have got out of the car, wound down a window ... even if child locked, the front drivers door should still be able to be opened from the inside.

But to do NOTHING at all ......... knowing that you knew recently a child had died by being locked in a car during the heat.

Your following comment angered me;

"we r foreigners and this family could or 100% is local and we might get insulted in some way"

Basically you would rather not be insulted instead of helping someone.

Regardless if the maid was left in the car of her own accord, or could get out of the car etc. ... you actually thought she was being left in the car in that heat and did NOTHING about it.

You SHOULD feel guilty.

How are maids that are treated badly going to be protected if no-one does or reports anything about it!!

Your thread angered me, but not just at the people who left her but at your attitude aswell.

You ended with "I am a muslim and i am extremely offended by what some muslims do,this is not islamm" but isn't not doing anything about the situation at all not a good thing aswell??

Regardless of being muslim, christian, hindi, blah blah blah .... we are all HUMANS.

That's my rant for the day ... but boy this upset me.

Is cool! I wasn't responding to your comment...it was mufy.

I just get really annoyed when I hear expats say they 'hate all Arabs' and think they are all rich and arrogant.

When asked if they have seen the rest of the region they say no, I don't want to after being here. It is frustrating as I have found that Arabs are the sweetest, most genuine people I have come across.

I know exactly what Popeye is talking about. He is one of the millions of Arabs out there who treat people with dignity and respect and finds it so offensive when he sees 'other Muslims' treat others with no compassion....I hear it from Arabs all the time!

Didn't mean all Arabs. It takes one incident and all the publicity to go with it to tarnish the reputation of a people. I hope this does not! The vast majority of arabs I have met would not behave like this. It's not an Arab thing!

When i called this topic unacceptable it was coz i am a proud ARAB MUSLIM.I am not saying qataris r bad and we non qataris r.All i am saying is its a pity in a world that looks at muslims as terrorists,a majority of us are doing their best to project the real image of islam,its a shame that some of us dont understand this responsibility.

P.S i am thrilled to see such a thread receiving all these replies,and pls lonely guys wanting to meet girls or tips on how to,there r more important things to discuss here.

good night everybody.

yv2r, Is this going over your head a little??

I was thinking that maybe these types of employers really do think that maids and manual labourers should be bled dry for having the audacity to be paid!! Maybe?

Exactly e46M3..."To all the Arabs"...whoever thinks this is an Arab trait should travel the region and see that NOT all Arabs treat people with so much inhumanity...saying this is insulting so many Arabs...trust me they hate it here just as much as the Nepalese, Thais, Indians etc. Travel to Egypt, Jordan, Yemen etc. and ask them what they think about the Gulf Arabs....u will be amazed!!!

yv2r

Aperson who's at a noble profession of moulding the future genaration should not repeatedly say that they can afford to stay and they are paid ,yes they are paid but at the same time," Imagine your self in their shoes and think,what their employer has done is right or wrong,then you are doing justice for the profession that one has taken up for living is worth

TREAT A HUMAN BEING AS HUMAN BEING

Yes, yv2r, thats is exactly what is being said.

Maybe if the employers (not owners, as maids are not slaves to masters), were put through the same treatment by the maids for a day - only just a day... Would they change..? Don't know.

It's OK, they're only indonesian, indian, etc, they can take the heat! They've never had it that good in their home country! They get paid for it, so let them sweat a little!

What makes them think that others deserve to be oppressed in this way. This is nothing to do with religion, it's basic human decency that is lacked.

yv2r

Dont say weather they are indonesian or an Indian and can bear that heat,if you are in their shoes you will know the pinch of it,why you talk with a particular nationality, speak as a fellow human being if you are a humanbeing

sorry to say this

all aren't alike..so all my good brothers and sisters on qtar living, set an example to others who treat their servants badly... God's blessing's always with you.

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This is what I will done.

First: I will try my best to convince the lady to get out of the car.

Second: I will try to approach another Arab and present him the situation and ask him/her to assist me.

Third : I will get security and screw "the fear of you are an Arab and this is your country and you are well connected"

She is still a human being!

and too the family that did that "I hope you burn in hell you bastard"!

and is not personal or racial.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery

None but ourselves can free our minds..

yv2r

Irrespective you are from which nationality,creed or sex,treat a fellow human as a humjan being.

Wes hould remeber always " What we sow we reap"

yes as expatriates we can not call police as rightly said we may be put in to very ackward situation.But all locals are not that inhuman.

My sponser used to tell me before i got my driving licence and when crossing road / waiting for taxi,be carefull you are precious for us and we have to be carefull while waiting/crossing. He never used to allow me to wait on the road,he used to drop/pickup.

I think all five fingures are not equal,we can not compare every one alike.

Welcome to today's world, whether in Qatar or elsewhere, slavery is going on. It's really sad how maids, drivers, labour workers, etc are treated by the some of the more fortunate. I've seen so much incidents when the maids were ill-treated and it pissed me off but there was nothing I could do. Don't feel about it, it wasn't ur fault and hopefully the maid is alright, but next time call the cops or something. It's about time we start taking action to stop all this.

Spare me the "To all the Arabs" sermon!

we come across many such scenes everyday...

i remember wen i was a kid, there was an epidemic in india and wen my neighbors india made returned after her vacations, this man sprayed 2 full bottles of pif paf on her before he let her enter the villa !!!! that was somewer around 1994 and the place was dubai..!!

all the arabs in the forum could set an example by showing your friends, relatives and neighbours everyone how you could treat ur servants in a poilte way.. live it and show guys.. they are maids just beacause they don't have money.. just because they have a family back home who entirely depends on them to make both ends meet.. wat if we wer poor..? put ourselves in their shoes.

i don't know if it's true.. but i've heard that they are dealt very cruelly inside the house too..

Prophet said that a lady was in hell because she tied her cat for so many days without feeding it . so if we misbehave with a cat and end up in hell.. wat about how we treat humans worse than that..? nobody becomes muslim by his name.. it's by his deed and fearness of God that he becomes a muslim.

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hi all i am a new member here i would like to find more freinds i am a generla manger of a car rental company i am 27 years old from leb here in qatar rom 2 years well i would like to meeet european ppl espacialy girls lool cos i lived in europe and i like there way in living and sure they dont lie it is a good web thx rikkya cos u told me about it and say hi to danila olso and a big hug to u rikkya bye bye now hope to find new freinds

It is not only acceptable, it is the deed of the inhuman. They did not feel the heat of the sun in the few moments that they walk from the parking to the mall gate? What do they have in mind if they got one [maybe the heat take that away]. Show mercy for those poor people in this earth to let god mercy come from heavens. Why are you taking them with you while you are not going to let them in? Why do you take them when you go to eat and let them there looking at you?

If my cat come to me while eating, she is not hungry and I'm like 99% sure that it won't eat what am i going to offer her. I just can't help it, but to put some food for her knowing that she will not eat it. Show some mercy for those humans, you will look for a shaded place to park your car because you are afraid of the heat when you back or because you are afraid that the paint of the car will get some damage. So how about locking a human in that car and go shopping. How can you enjoy eating in there or shopping while locking someone there? What kind of ... Monster you are to do that?

I want just to ask these people something, after that they can lock what ever in those cars. If they can stay outside the car for the same time that they are keeping there maid inside it, they can lock her inside. I know that this challenge does not make sense because this should never happened, but I'm really so upset and sad about this incident.

One more thing, I don't blame you for not calling the police, but next time you gotta call them and ask them what to do. If you can' again do it, just call someone who can deal with it and let them call the police.

The other day, I was having lunch at a newly opened cafe in villagio, and I couldn't help notice this girl sitting by herself during the whole time we had lunch and coffee. She had her back to us so at first I just assumed she was waiting for a friend to show up but as we were ordering coffee and dessert, I realized suddenly that she was another unfortunate maid who had to follow her employers (two 20 something abaya wearing ladies) to the mall and sit there, with nothing on her table, not even a glass of water, waiting.

I guess I should say alhamdullila these girls didn't leave their maid in the car. But of course, heaven forbid they offer her a drink!!

as I am deeply impressed from this story and I feel anger to leave a human being this way , but I don't believe it~s common , i spent around 10 years in GCC but i did not see such behavior , and I wish for ever body have any house servant to treat them well as and don't forget they are simply human being

You should've called the police. You have a camphone? Take a picture while you're at it.

it is really horrible ... I wonder why the employer not taking the maid out with him/her?

such an act can cause death ...

That´s a form of torture and it really puts in rea danger the victim´s life. Please when facing such a thing it must be reported to the police. Such treatment cannot be legal.

well thats really bad. and its common too. so dont feel guilty.you aint responsible for ones destiny lady.

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