No such thing as an Indian

if a civilization didnt leave proof of its existance... it is considered fiction...

even those with proof of existence is considered fiction... like Bride of Ram...lol

Aryan is just a civilization and nothing more..in india expect amazing unusual

Ram-Setu (Setu=Bridge) was a bridge constructed by King Ram's army to invade Srilanka. It is well described how it was created, the task, the labour, the plan, the materials, etc quite specifically. In the temple of Rameshwaram where the bridge begins there is an inscription as to when the bridge went underwater and destroyed (by tsunami many years ago... not the recent one).

Yet this bridge is called Adam's bridge when... no where in the Bible it is mentioned that Adam built such a Bridge... that too in India... this is also not possible to be built by a single person.

vivid imagination?!? or purposefully twisting of historical facts??!!??...

where is it written it existed?

What language they spoke?

What kind of clothes did they wear?

What kind of tools did they use?

Where did they live? ... please dont tell me Atlantis...

What did they eat?

what was their contribution to the human civilization?

any archaeological findings?

Historically if there is no proof of these... it can be considered fiction!

I absolutely agree with Rip Cord. Aryan was a race which doesn't exist today.

But the Iranians consider themselves aryans as well....

According to the Mahabharata, a person's behaviour (not wealth or learning) determines if he can be called an Arya.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

1) Arya means "Noble" or "brave and noble" in sanskrit: I am sure im many languages across the world it means something similar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

similarly Vanar doesnt mean monkey...it means Van-ar people of the forest (forest=van)...

2) Why they took the word and turned it into a race I have no idea... but it caught on... people bought it... You think the Hindu sacred symbol Swastika for Nazi party was fluke?

bb, The Aryans considered themselves brave, honest and noble but in sanskrit 'arya' does not mean 'brave and noble'. Do you think this word, 'arya' in sanskrit and 'Aryans' as what Hitler meant doesn't have the same origin?

So, you think its a fluke that they were using the same word for describing two different things?

lol Sun... if Krishna was a German... it would have been specifically mentioned where he was born... and by the way the sunken city of Dwaraka has been found and is still where it has been off the shore of Gujrat.

Rip Cord.... the contribution of the civilization is important to understand and since "Aryan" stuff was discussed. I would say I deviated from the topic posted but not nonsense...lol

KR the meaning of the word Arya in Sanskrit is "brave and noble" and the meaning of Aryan since the times of Hitler is completely different.

Nazis have made it a RACE. Meaning of Arya was a trait or character... similarly.... Honesty cannot be a RACE.

Cant say "Honesty Race"...

Actually, I had also read that India was much more cosmopolitan in Dwapar yug (Krishna's time)than America is today. And mathura was a venue of interaction of so many races (nationalities). Indians had travelled upto Iraq in the hunt of Gold. And some of the south Indian tribes have pure African genes. Rajah Kans was actually a Russian. Lord Krishna might have been a German for all we know.

bb, you said, "no such thing as an "Aryan"... the point I tried to put across in response to people on the post referring to "Aryans"

In hindu literature, sons used to get addressed as 'aryaputra' and this word is well prevalant today as well in sanskrit.

How do you say there was no such thing as an Aryan race in north India who descended from the hindukush towards south.

Blister that is a bunch of patriotic none sense.

Karl Marx perceived India to be a fallen European master race.

But that sympathy would not stop Marx from envisioning the destruction of Indian industry by British colonialism as a much needed progressive march of history. "England has to fulfill a double mission in India: one destructive, the other regenerating the annihilation of old Asiatic society, and the laying the material foundations of Western society in Asia".

He saw Indian villages as ‘idyllic republics’ offering ‘solid foundation for stagnant Asian despotism’ and hence the native industries should be destroyed to pave way for ‘Europeanization’ of Indian society

All martial artist agree that martial arts originated from India though Kalari.

This Aryans and Dravidians is a myth that they have succeeded to install into the Indian Mind set. There is no difference between the rituals of people of North and the people of the south... even though they are seperated by 2,000 kilometers...

The cast System too is unique to India... it was due to this cast system that skills of each discipline was polished to a very high degree... as the father used to bestow on the son all the years of his discovery and his grandfathers invention and the son did not have to reinvent the wheel. It is the same all across North, South, east & west of India....

No such thing as an "Aryan"... the point I tried to put across in response to people on the post referring to "Aryans"

Hitler tried beyond himself to prove Germans were the best race... but failed miseraly when his army went to Russia... He himself was too short to fit his discription of tall and handsome "Aryan".... tall and handsome isnt that what Mills & Boons is all about...lol

It is true that Indians held supreme knowledge in Medicine, Warfare, Shipbuilding, Aircaraft, Dance, Music, Metalurgy, etc for thousands of years... and these were the reasons people used to come to India and not for some Spices... who would travel the thousands of kilometers of rough sea only for a few sacks of spices?...

And there is no proof that these came from the west... Not an iota of proof... so to say the Western people came to India and gave them knowledge about these things holds no water...

Theory is a wonderful thing.....

There are many myths associated with "Aryans comming into India"... it is complete hogwash... there are no records of it... nether in India for 10,000 yrs nor in the western World...the only western guy who dared to cross the khyber was Alexander and he too was stopped around the Beas River by Chanayaka.

The ways of living of people across the world's largest (700,000 sqkm) Indo-Gangetic Plain... the most fertile alluvial plain is similar to the rest of India. From Pakistan to Bangladesh...and has remained same from 10,000 years and earlier... and there are records of it... If you go back in time before Islam or Christianity...

It was this superiority of the civilization that the British wanted to destroy and it did succeed to a great extent.

Sanskrit which was the knowledge base of the Indo-Gangetic Plain alluvial plain society is no longer taught in Schools...

today the only thing to survive from the ancient Indian Civilization is the branch of Medicine called Ayurveda. Usually a master Ayurved also used to be a top warrior in Kalari who could paralyse people just by slight touches to their body nerves and only he can revive them back from paralysis. There still exists a few such people.

If you happen to go through the thousands of volumes of books on medicine, surgery, education, dance, music, agricultrue and even warfare one will be amazed. Where in the world at that time were Women held equal other than India. When women in US, Britan and the rest of the world had no right to vote or to own any property Indian women had equal rights. Dowry is the equal right that a women in India take from her family when she leaves it and goes to stay with her husband.

.sun26872 is my shocking shocker of the day. hahahaha

Sun... Haha.... Thank god you are not a teacher.

I believe in Hitler's philosophy. Definitely there was an Aryan race which was responsible for an intellectual leap of humanity. These original Aryans were in Europe, some parts of Iraq & a very few brahmins of extreme north of India.But rest of the Indians are mostly closer to Arabs , Iranians and Africans and have very low intellectual capabilities compared to Aryans. Lastly, no pure Aryan rest exist now because low iq races are always genetically dominating as they multiply faster.

waste of time and energy

John Wayne - famous for his cowboy films once said " The only good Indian is a dead Indian " General Custer would have agreed I am sure. Tonto or Chief sitting Bull - perhaps not.

Historical dates do not match with that of the research results but its documented with some evidence that saint Bhrigu and Manu lived some 10,000 years ago. Manu was especially responsible for writing and compiling 'Manusmriti' that is considered to be the basis of social structure in the region he wanted the society to follow. Cast system is a result of this mass following of Manusmriti as the same was patronaged by the kings as well.

Once the caste system might have come into practice in the subsequent years, that was based on vocation and not on race or colour of skin, endogamous marriages started and thus the mixing of races ( aryan and dravidian ) stopped for some thousands of years.

it all depends on whether our ancestors originated in Africa. There needs to be more concrete proof than just some hypothesis

Hahaha...nice StaceyR

Lol so your prejudice against me extends to research papers I have no connection to. You're one strange person

Interesting. Is it possible to get more information (such as links etc) on this part "high incidence of genetic and population-specific diseases that is characteristic of present-day India is likely to have increased only in the last few thousand years when groups in India started following strict endogamous marriage"...I mean about the genetic and population-specific diseases.

That's the thing... There is nothing wrong with this research.. Just you.

Well o smart one please tell me what is wrong with this research?

Any belief of any kind is a religion. You only need one other person to agree with you to turn it into a cult.

Oh and BTW, nice one on using racial prejudice excuses to counter-attack my reply.

Not gonna work, old man. I find that quite lame. I likened that to that of hormonal tweens who use race and colours to attack each other on a typical LOLCAtz youtube.

Nope, Prejudice isn't the case in here... I'm just surprised for someone who claims to be well read, you seemed to be so easily manipulated by people who wrote these articles.

Unfortunately I've read enough of these craps to know that how gullible are people like you who is so desperate to hang on something to believe in just so you feel like you belonged somewhere while at the same time trying so hard to preach the world that you are an individual and one of its kind.

Talk about being misplaced and confused elitist.

Typhoon we all all connected to humans who live in the place called India genetically but that does not mean we share the same cultural traits.

India was one of the first stops when humanity first left Africa via the Middle East of course. (The middle was had a different climate back in those days and sea level was lower allowing humanity an easier escape route from the dark continent.

I'm truly astounded by the ignorance on here sometimes

I can guarantee that Stacey did not read the whole article but allows her/his prejudice to answer on her behalf.

This is one of the problems in the Middle East and Asia, the lack of critical thinking. It makes them easy to be manipulated by others.

.. does that mean that the people in rest of the world then are somehow connected to the great Indian system.. (caste, culture, tribe anything and everything).. just so sad that in the present times not many want to be linked or have anything to do with this once great and historical country and the seat of ancient civilization

Another load of bollocks!

This article proves that human is quick to conclude. We've been proven over & over that what we think is a proven scientific fact, in fact, just a result of some inconclusive evidence that then taken as a true fact by overzealous so called 'intellectuals'.

Here's a problem with people who reads a bit here and understood a bit there. They think they're smart enough to make assumptions.

What they don't know is that these scientists still are baffled with many things they couldn't explain.

But to make money, they have to say something. Even if it may not be completely true.

Then the idiots comes in and turn it into some elitist like religion.

Well some genetic research is now being done on the original of humans that have settled in the area now know as India, which is a bit more precise than your vague statement.

Once you understand genetic evolutionary biology, you begin to see how small and insignificant the differences are between the various races of humanity are In the short time when our ancestors left Africa.

Northern Indians are generally related to the Aryan race . South Indians are basically of Dravidian race.

Full article for those that wish to read. Very interesting how the current Indian genetic mix came about and further it is the southern Indians that dominate the gulf now, whereas the northern Indians are closer genetically to the Arabs of the Middle East

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-08-genetic-evidence-population-mixture-india.html