A new excuse
So if you ever find yourself accused of raping your maid, here's an excuse that appears to work:
Man who denies raping maid 'as wife is prettier' wins appeal
ABU DHABI // A teacher who denied raping his maid saying his wife was "much prettier" was cleared by an appeals court today.
The Jordanian RM was accused by his Filipina maid, LA, of raping her while his wife was at work and his 13-year-old son was playing computer games in his room.
The Criminal Court of First Instance sentenced him to a year in prison followed by deportation. However, this was overturned by the Abu Dhabi Appeals Court which found him not guilty.
The man's lawyer, Fayza Moussa, had previously rejected the rape accusation saying her client suffered diabetes and was "sexually weak". She said that this had prevented him from sleeping with his wife for four months prior to the alleged incident, and questioned why he would be any less impotent with the maid when his wife was much more beautiful, attractive, and 12 years younger than he was.
Ms Moussa asked for the wife to be shown to the court, so that judges could see how beautiful she was.
She dismissed forensic reports that found traces of the man's semen on the maid's underwear. She also commented on the size difference between her large client and the petite maid.
"If he had held her against the wall while raping her, as she had claimed, there would've been some marks at least from his fingers on her body."
Ms Moussa said the maid had made up the rape to spite the man's wife who scolded her a lot.
Urrrgh, nasty stuff.But apparently not unusual.
Shsiha nothing really to clear as it's just one of many scenarios
Qwertty I really don't know many stories like that but if there r it can judicial system women rigths or ethnicity of the victim
shisha202: that's the reporter's homework (-:
And yes I agree its sexual assault and very disgusting one, but is it same thing as rape? NO, it's not.
Qwertyness....i too stick with ur view point
So one point to clear DC from where did the master got her maids under garment?
DC....using ur maid's uderpants to clean...it sucks...
Actually Shisha, it might count as assualt. It's a huge violation of privacy, especially if she was then wearing them!
the bigger issue isn't about this exact case or what the judge did or didn't deicde and why: this is not the first story we've heard about like this in this region. Why is that?
so his beautiful wife is the primary evidence to prove that he didn't rape his petite maid.... :)
shisha202: yup it does Shisha202.not to mention its gross disgusting and sickening.
Still won't count as rape!
Ok I m not saying she was not raped becuase there were no marks it can be intimade partner assualt or he just pointed a gun on her head and raped her but there is just not enough evidence in this report. Its a high court in emirates and I m sure the judge was qualified and didnot base her decision on the excuse wife is prettier
tinkerbell10: Or it could have been that her employer just used her underpants to clean up. It’s a possibility as well! lol
There are many kinds of rape-- in fact, it's estimated that around 80 per cent actually fall into the category of 'intimate partner assualt' meaning it's someone the victim knows, and may in fact have had a sexual relationship with before or after the rape. rape is not always a violent attack by a stranger-- and it sounds like this was the case here. You cannot simply say 'oh because she wasn't beaten or isn't torn to pieces it wasn't rape'-- the advice most police and other advocates gives to women is to not fight, if it will save them from harm. I'm not sure of the stats in the GCC but I do know it's estimated by Statistics Canada that 1 in 6 women in university or college in North America will be assualted, but only a tiny fraction of those will be reported-- mainly i think because of attitudes like this.
We need to start teaching men that this is NOT acceptable. That it is NOT ok to demand sex from anyone, even if it's your wife or girlfriend, or to force any sort of unwanted and unwelcomed contact on them. Even if all he had done was rub up against her until he orgasmed, that would still be a trauma and is still assault! There's a great movement that started in Canada last year, Slut Walk, after a police officer actually told a campus full of students taht if women didn't dress provocatively they wouldn't be raped (!!!). check it out at www.slutwalktoronto.com. It's basically a series of marches all over the country to say that no matter who you are you do not deserve to be sexually assaulted, ever. We could use something like that here.
I'm not going to even bother debating the report as clearly certain folks in this thread like to blame the media for absolutely everything, allt he time, and it's off topic anyway.
I just hope that the maid is safe back in her own country, and not suffering any further from this ordeal.
But he was found guilty and sentenced to a year in prion. It was an appeals court that overturned it.
tinkerbell10 : Exactly my point TB! LOL! I If the common layman can’t comprehend or accept it, then how could a practicing govt employed official judge!?!
There is just not enough evidence and information in this case or atleast in the post to prove the man guilty in any judicial system in the world. And the reporter just presented the story in such a way that we will question the decision
"client suffered diabetes and was "sexually weak"...throw a playboy book on his face and see wat happens ? :(
I think the sad thing is the judge and the man's defense got so wrapped up with this nonsense of "my wife is prettier" and "I have diabetes so therefore can't get it up" that no one will ever know if he did ACTUALLY rape her.
I can't believe the judge even listened to these excuses, rather than calling for real evidence.
Well may be the guy was just wearing maid's pant, then forgot to take them off and had an accidental orgasm in his sleep.. :P
Its pretty clear from the report that he just got away because of the smart lawyer he hired and a weak judicial system.. coz the evidence proving he's guilty are way stronger than the ones for his defense.. My opinion :)
max1986: No No No! i beg to disagree! The report says the Judge based her verdict solely on the no coercion marks on victim’s body and coz his wife was prettier than the maid.
How dare you think differently Max? !!
tinkerbell10 : If this is true, then yes he needs to get dropped off the hanging post.
Soooo pathetic! So if the wife is lets say ugly, that give a better justification???
Y is everybody sure that the man did rape maid? Only based on the evidence that there is semen on maid underwear. Maybe the man just commited adultery but not raped the maid as there r no sign or mark of struggle and forced sex. And ofxourse the judge didn't based her decision only on the factor that man wife was prettier. And this man is a jordanian expat not a emarti
Looks to me like he did it, and got away with it. And now the maid has been raped and also branded a liar, the poor girl.
I don't know why this thread is so long. I don't know why anyone would want to try and defend such injustice. To me there is nothing to debate here. Just an acknowledgement that the so called justice system in AD is a joke, and not a funny one at that.
tinkerbell10: you could be right I could be wrong. In a civilized discussion there is always room for disagreement.
Alrite DC...now lets here it from your POV...if you were the journalist how would you report this incident?
tinkerbell10: Oh well, if anything, this tells me that journalism sector in The UAE is in need of major improvements, so that poorly written reports don’t occur again.
Well it also could be that his wife may also have been as big and bloated as him and he wanted something nice, small and easy to handle and he must have been under the impression there would not be any complications by jumping on the maid
this is getting funny ! :)
qwertyness: so the media didn't have a role to play in the build up to the bombardment of Iraq and all the fake WMD's flash news reports with so called free and independent Journalist raising the dust everywhere across the Middle-East and under-cover in Iraq then sending out fake alarm bubbles? OMG which planet have you been living in seriously! And the Murdoch’s phone tapping and news fabrication case! Sigh!
And please tell me why I’d want to defend the “Jordanian” man?
FS .. you can easily pass for a crime detective's job.. :P
Indeed.. "A New Excuse"
Lol FS !
Could you please enlighten copy cat of whom? lol
Doha chap: muddying the waters much??
And, just so you know, it wasn't the media who were fabricating the reports: it was the people in power providing them. Media reports the facts as we understand and fact check them. At the time, that is what was believed to be true, and the reporters reported it as such. I think you're lumping ALL media in with pundits, opinions, and talk shows, and heaping all the blame on the media.
Also, this IS NOT a thread about whether or not media 'lies'. It's a thread about a horrible thing that happened that the officials in the UAE are happy to ignore, and about the clear status of women in this region.
Methinks you don't want to believe this jordinian did this, but you don't want to blame the maid as you KNOW you'd get slammed for it. So you blame the big bad media instead. If you don't believe the boss raped his maid, jsut say it.
Formatted Soul: that was an assumption formatted. For god's sake haven't u got a job to attend to? I was trying to draw a scenario illustrating a number of ways in which the “not guilty" verdict" could stand true. Given that I can't phantom the story of a judge being presented with clear forensic proofs yet she lets the culprit walk out and free.
Oh and a word of advice formatted: I have always admired your independent opinions but lately I’m noticing you’re starting to become such a copy-cat (correct me if I’m wrong) please go back to the old you. It suited you better.
I agree with Rizks, we'll judge it. Just kidding. what the heck is that underwear doing in his master hands? how did he get that?
"The report is lacking. Major key-factors in this case are missing from the report. umm like it says there is sperm on the maid's pants ,but whose sperm? Is it the Jordanian’s? if so then why he is still free? Or some random kid from around the block? Could it be that the semen in the maid’s pants belonged to someone else or was that just made up in this aritcle?"
If its some random kid from around the block why should she file a complaint against the Jordanian?
and ridiculous case.
Thats why 80% of the rape cases in the world remain unreported !
qwertyness: That's what you want to see in my comments. It’s your problem, not mine.
Exactly my point cherukan!
They used his diabetes as an excuse as well to prove that he is not capable of having s*x.
qwertyness: for God's sake! They bombed an entire country back to dark-age all based on fake WMD accounts and the international media rolled the drums for it all the way. And you telling me they wouldn't fabricate something about someone committing rape?
Shisha, that's actually the problem. I mean, heck, I keep reading thingsa bout the movement of late in Morocco to make them repeal a law that allows rapists to marry their victims, in order to spare the victims family shame!
The fact that this law EXISTS and there is even any debate at all about repealling it says a lot about the status of women in this region. It's a shame, too, because in other areas, this region is making great strides towards gender equality. BUt then they have to go and ruin it with these medieval ideas about sexual violence.
can someone post the pics of her WIFE and the Maid for us to judge who is bootiful ? :)
Doha chap, sounds like you're on the side of the rapist.
You seem to be confusing blatent fabrication with bias. Those networks you mention are indeed biased: they cherry pick what they report and how they do it. But, they do not create this news out of thin air. Neither does the National, and in stories like this that are critical of the judiciary? i doubt they're letting bias slip in-- quite the opposite.
Now, can we stop debating the merits of journalism and get back tot he ridiculousness of allowing a rapist to go free because he claimed his wife was prettier than the maid?
Its better for women to shut up if they got raped in Middle east , or else the law will be punishing them for "telling lies" or "for provoking".....
Formatted Soul : I blamed the maid and accused her of making up this story? What the hell? When did I blame the maid? Are you this old? Or do you need to go back to school and learn reading all over again? Seriously!
What would be the angle to make this news up DC?
is always blind...duh! :(
Miss mimi if multi-million dollar news agencies can tell us bullshyt to make some marginal profit, I don't believe the major No.1 whatever in the UAE to be any different.
Anyways, if you wanna believe what this report is saying, fine go ahead, but i'm not taking the bite. I choose not 2.
First you blamed the maid for making up the story..and now you are blaming the journalist/paper...
damselindistress, Dont be so silly. A diabetic will and can have an arousal and ejaculation if diabetes is well under control.
Are we discussing the issue of the verdict over the rape case or are we discussing the authority of the news printed in the newspaper?
tiny lil English printed local paper? The National is the biggest English daily in the UAE DC. They don't make things up.
Oh certainly they can Formatted. Why not? If international News casting channels with millions of billions of viewers such as CNN, Fox News and sky news can do it why can’t a tiny lil English printed local paper ?
DC, the paper was quite clear it was the purpetrator's semen in her underwear. ANd good journalists know that when reporting criminal cases, the laws are quite strict (and even in places where they might not be totally enforced, most good journalists will still adher to these rules as it's a matter of ethics) about privacy and what you can and cannot publish. Most of us won't, for example, publish a victim's name, and will refer to the purpetrator as 'the accused' or 'alledgedly' until they've been found guilty.
Stop blaming the paper for this: they didnt' make this up, this actually happened, and you should be appalleda t the judiciary and this man, NOT at the paper for reporting it! Why on earth would they make such a thing up? the national is not some tabloid!
More importantly: even if he had just jerked off on her underwear, that could still be considered a crime. Assault isn't just full on penetrative sex you know-- any unwelcomed contact is a violation.
DC do really think they can make up such a story and publish it in a Newspaper? Maybe they add some Masala to spice up such stories...but they cannot publish a made up verdict!
Also, if the man is sexually weak because of diabetes, how come he still can cum :S ?
so it only means that he is still capable of having a sexual arousal despite of being diabetic.
Just completely pathetic excuses!
Formatted Soul: Rape is a universal problem. What we are questioning here is the credibility of the story as it's been told in this report, and not whether or not such cases happen in the UAE. coz we know they do, just like anywhere else in the world.
a pornographic movie, he seems to aroused and found the poor maid...
poor maid...and terrrible verdict :(
Don't be ridiculous FS, that can't be the reason! Obviously the newspaper is racist!
it's like "I punch that girls' face cause she's so ugly and my wife is a beauty"
Why is it so hard for some to just admit that he did it?? and he is free just bcos of the weak judiciary system in this part of the world.
Guys as mentioned in my first post it is clear evidence of vasta which translated the case to the verdict.
so I can do what ever I want to do and get away with it,, lol!! life is so freaking unfair
Hey I’m not defending the man. If he is guilty a suitable punishment should be dealt out to him. But this report is just 2 stupid 2 be true. I’m sorry.
oh dear, wat we discussing here....
U guyz should be some kinda detectives....:)
Finding semen in someone's pants doesn't count as rape. Just for your info.
And yes he could have wanked off ‘n then wiped his willy with her pants, still it’s not rape.
DC: "She dismissed forensic reports that found traces of THE MAN'S semen on the maid's underwear."
Do you want the specific DNA sequence or is saying THE MAN's semen enough?
The report is lacking. Major key-factors in this case are missing from the report. umm like it says there is sperm on the maid's pants ,but whose sperm? Is it the Jordanian’s? if so then why he is still free? Or some random kid from around the block? Could it be that the semen in the maid’s pants belonged to someone else or was that just made up in this aritcle?
Lol cherukkan mone !
Was he wearing the maid's underwear while watching pornographic movie? Really pathetic!
Hard to discount semen on the underwear. What did she do? Wait till he finished jerking it and rubbed it on her crotch? That's a lot of effort to get back at a scolding madam.
I suppose the large client is strong enough to "trap" the petite maid on the wall....
It just sucks that they overlooked a very strong evidence... (semen on her underwear!)
This is really a sad news.
What a stupid excuse.....is this reason if accepted by the judges, then that would mean people with beautiful wives can always rape ugly girls in UAE.
As usual a victory of might and wealth.
Formatted Soul: umm I thought I asked miss mimi to provide the link since she is the one who posted this in first place. Anyway thanks for the link formatted. Appreciate it.
However I'd also like to add that something about this article is not right. Perhaps another cheap shot at pitching up the sales? Or could be just the lousy work of some poor unqualified joiner journalist?
Absolutely ridiculous!
I'm sorry DC, are you accusing me of racism?
Sheer and utter stupidity.. Is the Ayer related to Robert Shapiro ...
Sorry! From today's The National:
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/man-who-denies-raping-maid-as-wife-is-prettier-wins-appeal
It's been a big issue here in the UAE for the last couple of months.
and here's a piece from an earlier article "explaining" the semen:
"Responding to forensics reports that showed traces of the defendant's semen on his clothes, he said he had watched a pornographic film and ejaculated."
http://www.thenational.ae/featured-content/channel-page/news/uae-news/man-did-not-rape-because-his-wifes-prettier
MUSE: no it doesn't. But to Miss mimi, as long as it involves this region and Arabs, it certainly dose.
here is the link DC
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/man-accused-of-raping-maid-wins-appeal
Since when did they start raping ONLY beautiful women??
Oh cummon....does it even make sense?
Khanan: That's exactly why I'm asking miss mimi to give us the source to this piece.
and whatever happend to the forsenic report of men's semens traces on maid's undergarment..o_O???
GASP!!!
seriously. . . this region does a lot for women's rights, however they REALLY need to work on how they address sexual violence and assault. Blame the victim much? These 'defenses' shouldn't have even be allowed to be introduced.
Isn't that just pathetic? And what about the jizz on her underwear, was he using it as a napkin when he choked his chicken? :-(
"Ms Moussa asked for the wife to be shown to the court, so that judges could see how beautiful she was ? "...hahahaha
Oh that’s terrible only if was true.
Where is the link to the sources of this info Miss mimi?