Micheal Jackson's Memorial On CNN...

He was an adult with a mind of a innocent child that never grew up.

He was naive..

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HE WHO DARES WINS

michael jackson,he will forever stay in our hearts..to those people judging him,as luisito,eve and 5star said..look at the mirror first....LET WHO IS WIHTOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE...

UK,

Are you saying then that was mentally ill?

He went to court twice on charges of child molestation. That that is an all covering word I know and we all don't know the specifics, but broke the law he seemed to have done. Now you talk about people after his money, well he paid the family off in the first instance with the same money didn’t? If there’s no smoke then you don’t need to put the fire out.

one thing is for sure, people will have differing opinions regarding the King of Pop, both positive and negative... another thing is that, he has already passed away so best just leave him be and let it go...we are not the one who will judge him, only God.

I agree with 5rstar. You said it beautifully! And totally agree with you too UkEng.

The Dude, don't you think the man has been vilified enough. Geez, let it go.

If I had a 30 year old neighbor who built a fun fair in his yard, invited young kids to play with him every day, and regularly slept with them in the same bed overnight, I wouldn't want anything to do with him.

Whether or not he had intercourse with the kids would be immaterial - there is something a bit 'not quite right' about him, and about the parents who were happy enough to let their kids share his bed.

Jackson wass ostracized not (just) because of his clothes, nose or pale skin. He defied social norms through his interactions with young children.

Let them have their fun...

You can't teach experience...

Garry Glitter was famous and he got what he deserved..so that your answer Dude..

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Dude..

He was no Child fiddler. It was just scums accusing him to get him money.. He was definately stupid and naive, Peado are normally clever and cunning, which he was not..

For heaven sake...let him rest in peace now..

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I agree with UkEngQatar.

The Dude and others who are so sure, what proof do you have to such accusations?

You are not answering my question UK....

Yeah yeah..

Emotional blabber.

Be honest

Hypothetical situation:

"an alleged Pedophile lives next to you, how will you treat him or how would you expect he will be treated?"

With that in mind, it is strange that MJ is forgiven easily and a regular pedophile (even if falsely accused) would go through hell and be disqualified, if not crucified, by the surrounding environment.

That's where i place question-marks, not disputing the values of his songs for individuals.

i watched it on the Dawn news..

Eve and 5rstar said it all!!!!!

For those who accuse and judge, follow his advice, start with the man in the mirror!

for those who cant admit the fact that he was the best there was and will ever be in the music industry, well thats too bad for you !!!

he was not bedophile nor he was deranged, people who see this in michael are only narrow minded people, he wrote some of the best and most touching songs in the world, how can write these songs ??? can a "deranged, or pedophile" write with such passion and love??????? common, the guy was a deppressvie person, something 90% of stars fall into (look at any of the big actors, singers ...) who is not depressive, who did not reply on medecine to live ??? the differance is that michael lived that from the earliest ages !!! he never had a childhood because of his talet and success! something that prooved to be the highest price a person can pay !! on top he always had problems with his dad ! take a moment to analyse all this !!

millions around the world cried, millions around the world wanted to be there yesterday, i wish i was there !! he was my idol, he was my favourite, he was of pure heart and soul ! may he rest in peace now, finaly, away from everyone ! my thoughts go to his children, mother and brothers. He will be remembered, for years and years to come and his legacy will never be matched !

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

MJ was no Gary Glitter. He was just a Man with a kids mentality that never grew up with him..

All those claiming against him were nothing but scums, after his money

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Dude, people seem to forget about that side of him...Rememeber Garry Glitter....

Well said 5rstar..

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People need to separate the human imperfections of all of us and recognize when genius occurs, And it does. Honor Michael for his professional work. None of us walked in his shoes and none of us know what demons he lived with (as many of us do.)

It was a celebration of his life, a recognition of his quiet charitable contributions to the world (way before it became popular).

Referring to Walt Disney: If you can't say anything nice. Don't say anything at all!

Michael - Finally you are at peace. Thank you for your contributions and making the world a better place. Perhaps all of us will "Look in the Mirror."

Eve... MJ's shoes were so ugly... I wouldn't want a second in them.

But, your statements holds truths.

I hope MJ finds the peace in death that he did not find in life. Its so easy for people to judge others without walking one mile in their shoes!

Tee, hee, and I love saying this: Jamie Lee Curtis and I were talking a couple years ago and a guy started to interrupt. She said, "Buzz off, Jack. This is chicks helping chicks!"

Mandi

I'm all for it, no probs and no pork though, with Allan Jackson and Tim Mcgraw on, I too love country music Mandi..:)

Salam

Happy Happy simple is simple...

No slaughtering sheep in countries that forbid animal torture. Finished.

Of course you can always adopt the Pinata principle, stuff a pinata with organs and blood and beat the living shit out of it. More fun for the kids, yet the thought is the same.

(I know you will not like this joke, so I apologize upfront, sorrrrrrrrrrry!!!!)

and beef jerky!

We are going to have to make you an honorary redneck, sis!

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

How did a Michael Jackson's thread turn to pork, cheesy beef, Judge Judy, progressive cultural standards and rednecks...it beats me!

We're the official QL night hijackers..:)Sorry staying alive, may he rest in peace.

Salam

I told my daughter that while she is teaching Bible School, I'll just catch up on Judge Judy -- roflmao

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I like her too!!

Salam

OK, true confessions time - I love Judge Judy! Can anyone get any trashier than that? And I have home-made (and home-shot here on my farm) deer jerky at home. Dang, the Ivy League really didn't rub off on me!

Mandi

God love 'em :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

lol

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Being culturally traditional and embracing progressive cultural standards can both be braided (they should in my opinion). How else do we advance?

Salam

Nope, PM, me and Scarlett are ladies whose heritage lies below the Mason Dixon line. In fact, one of my entertainments this weekend was a rodeo. I love a good steer-roping! We are proud of the red-neck elements in our "native" culture. I am more familiar with Allan Jackson than Michael Jackson (not quite true, but I'm making a point here.) Let's just say that we are educated folks with country roots. My grandparents were second-cousins from a small farming community.

Mandi

Thanks for reminding me, Mandi! I'm going in search of that this saturday :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

My guilty pleasure is trash TV and I love beef jerky and cheese grits!

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Wow PM...

I admire you..

You have beaten the 'white trash' gene!!!!

You deserve a freaking statue!

:-P

Ok happy..

I guess I have to formulate thorougher...

Culturally Traditional VS Progressing Cultural standards

(or so... difficult to say, am tired)

So

10 years ago, slaughter not regulated. Now regulated. Hence, traditional slaughter is forbidden for the sake of the animal as per new laws/regulations.

Biscuits and gravy! Pie for breakfast (made with lard, such a pity). Fried catfish, green beans with "side meat." Hush puppies. I think I'd better go get me some dinner!

Mandi

You think Scarlett would be a good candidate? About PM, surely she's unqualified, as you said.

Salam

from my neck of the woods :-) But yes, it is just a stereotype that I don't take personally.

I am forever grateful to my parents for the love of education, art, music , theater, and literature that they nurtured in all of us; even if their idea of good food was pinto beans with ham hocks and collard greens :-) Now that's some real comfort food!

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I see no conflict between both terms, I think I'm both.

Salam

Happy Happy, you'd be surprised at who's a redneck here on QL! I certainly qualify, Scarlett would be happy to claim the title and there are a few others out there. (PM?)

Mandi

I am from the Deep South :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I know what these stand for, but they don't apply to you!

Salam

Do you know the term "redneck" or "trailer park trash"? Think Jerry Springer - lol

That was the reference.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Yes PM, you strike me as a typical redneck...

NJET!!!

Ah, yes... that is

traditional versus progressive

We have to slaughter our meats with 'care', hence painless. Some people just do not understand the 'value' of a slaughter with Eid, hence have no objections against protesting against subcultures and their traditions.

At the other hand, if killing a sheep by knife is against the law. You have to respect that being a resident, just like I have to respect not being able to import pork here.

I see what you mean, I thought we were still on cultural ignorance...pardon me.

Salam

and had nothing to do with intolerance.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

in every group of people :-(

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

That was meant as an example, referring to you pork and kool aid post. Never mind, I was proving the cultural intolerance, I wasn't referring to you at all.

Salam

Yes, he was so cute before his surgical episodes,lately he looked like a dead person with pale translucent skin and very unnatural pointy nose.

Salam

I don't find slaughtering sheep inhumane or eating pork to be dirty or savage.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I have no problem with pork eaters, I never called them dirty savage, while I'm being harshly criticized and campaigned against by humanitarians and celebes, for slaughtering sheep for Eid Aladha. I was just telling you, there's lot's of intolerance and desire to feel superior.

That's cultural and religious.

Salam

whole psychological pathology. :-(

Besides, it just looked freaky.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Yes PM, I wasn't borne yesterday, I already calculated you in :-P

And sometimes a star is blackmailed..

He looked very attractive in the 80s..maybe he had a nose job only but after that he went too far.. And to say they were "normal changes"! yeah right!

and EVERYBODY has culture :D Ours may include pork rinds and kool-aid, but it's still culture -- lol

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Will remember him as the guy who had it all and then blew it.. His music was and is unparallel, stunning dance moves to go with it..

" Your Faith is what you believe, Not what you know"

My motto it is, I have to start with myself.

Salam

You my problem is not that MJ might have touched a child or two...

My problem is with people that normally would 'crucify' somebody when they even ASSUME somebody being a pedophile.

But a 'super star'.... is forgiven.

That... I just can't understand.

I share your opinion, except yours on the skin change; I had no issues with it, although, I generally don’t like messing up with our skin, only Botox, if needed later..:)

Salam

I'm Starting With The Man In The Mirror

I'm Asking Him To Change His Ways

And No Message Could Have

Been Any Clearer

If You Wanna Make The World

A Better Place

(If You Wanna Make The

World A Better Place)

Take A Look At Yourself, And

Then Make A Change

I loved his music.. but when he started messing up with his looks saying "they're normal developmental changes" that was a turn-off!

can't judg him on abusing children.. He seemed to have loved them innocently..

Fubar,

The USA is basically one big state controlled multicultural Village with no real backbone or culture.

No wonder they are a bit 'off' and 'odd'

Luckily we have PM to prove me 0.0000001% wrong.

Salam

I watched it on the BBC. Aside from better sound and vision (surprisingly) there weren't idiots like Anderson Cooper trying to look sincere *wretch*...

Struggling through Mariah butchering her song, I was a little troubled by the idea of singing 'I'll be there' at a funeral. Somehow I don't I can 'just say his name' for him to be there.

And why do Americans applaud at a memorial service? Did they think they were at a concert??

My pet hate of American culture - the constant need to applaud everything, including the pallbearers carrying a coffin. Show a little grace.

My favorite song

"Man in the Mirror"

he was young. I used to have his records on 45rpm and would play them on my brother's record player when I was little. My brother and I worked out a few routines that we performed lip synching in a neighborhood talent show. We were the coolest white kids in our neighborhood -- lol

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Salam

Donosa, lol... (3)

If you want Donosa, we can make some new memories to 'fill the void'...

Just pick an artist :-P

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

All I'm saying is that I have nothing tangible against the (late) man.

And as for me, I will remain to be who I am, don't worry about me, I taught all my Non-Arab friends to kiss twice on cheecks. I have some "cultural" influence wherever I go..:)

Salam

crap I missed it!

hehe

anyway, MJ will be remembered for a few things

1) his music

2) his dancing (moonwalk)

3) being the first african-american to become white publicly.

And the third one is just disturbing.... sick...

anyhow, I kinda like his music, brings me a lot of good memories =)

PM..there was comment about this approach and the decision was weighed up....it apparently was thought of as Michael was most at home on stage, they'd combine a serive, people speaking about Michael and celebrate his music the way he lived it.

If JFK or Princess Di were not who they were, their funeral may have been tailored differently. Don't think you can compare funerals, it like comparing weddings.

This service celebrated who he was and allowed the fans to ccelebrate too. I think it was appropriate with Michael's background

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Mandilur...

Which people are you talking about?

The bobo's that can not stop assuming MJ is with God?

And technically we have the belief that you are innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately, we also know that the law is not perfect and a science, so we accept that it will not always produce the just result. We still uphold it on principal, feeling that it is right more of the time than wrong.

Anyway, no disrespect to you :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

memorial service on a stage that looks more like a chance to grab some air time than real grieving. Maybe that is just their way of coping, but culturally I guess I am more used to religious or even secular memorial services that don't seem like they are staged. I am just grateful that JFK Jr.'s family or Princess Di's didn't take the same approach.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Over the top, yes, out of proportion, certainly. Sick? Nah, isn't in my DSM IV. Oh, wait a minute, Dude, are these the same people you claim have an inerrant internal moral compass!?

Mandi

It's really none of my business, I know the possibility is there, but there is no proof. We're living in a world that is heavily judgmental and persistently digging to find something to chew on at all times.

If I'm seen shaking hands with and kissing my (girl) friend, you know how many will LIKE to see that?! I find this pathetic, judgmental, intolerant and reflects nothing but pure ignorance.

Salam

As in the case of O J Simpson!

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

I respect what you are saying, but I also know that pedophilia or rape when you can pay off your victims in next to impossible to prove legally. And unfortunately Americans still get their head turned by celebrity :-(

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Thank you very much PM I could not agree more.

I have more faith in the judiciary system of the US, compared to that in other parts of the world. The man was acquitted, and so I believe he was innocent of this despicable crime.

Salam

I'm not worried about Americans or people's opinions of us. It's too late for that! lol

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Yes,

Let us all remember a severely disturbed man, and alleged Pedophile.

Why not.

Normal people would have been crucified, make a few nice songs and it is suddenly justified.

How sick is this world?

and pedophile. I find the tape they run of his children singing "You are my daddy" to the tune of "You are my sunshine" really creepy. The kids seem like little robots or something.

I find it disturbing that in death some are trying to resurrect him as some kind of hero. Admire his music, fine. But let's not go overboard and make him some kind of hero.

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Larry Said:

"Touch that casket and..... what can you say"

Well Larry ...

How about...

"My house to be"

:-P

Ah, now Larry King... to add to my misery.I think they picked someone who is likely to report from heaven soon.

PM - also Americans are nice people, do not worry.

They just have a habit of blowing shit out of proportion.

Like that stupid woman that held this framed certificate claiming Michael legend and will discuss this in the senate (or whatever). GONEEEEEEEEE TO>........far...

The memorial becomes the king of pop. It's ordinary and unexaggerated.

Salam

Yeah we do have our embarrassments. The secret is in laughing at ourselves -- and I have a great sense of humor, thank God! :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

Get a grip, man! It will be over before you know it :-)

I refuse to drink the kool-aid! -- PM

The Dude...use your remote ;)

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Gotta admit didn't thnk much of michael but there was alot more to him....he did do alot of good as well...actually am liking this memorial service.

And if people can forget Angelina being seriously warped..ie walking down the aisle cut at her first wedding so that her husbands name bleeds through her white shirt, vials of blood, her brother and now remember her humanitarian acts....maybe they can for michael too

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Colonizers, yes. Because we could. Bad shit for which we did apologize.

Racists, that were the Americans.

Nazi's, indeed horrible. Although still popular in some parts of the world.

Now,

Would you like a nice discussion on Sudan? No ha. Lets leave it.

Oh yeah i forgot...Euorpeans...colonisers,racists nazis...how civil !!!

Yes yes that is what the fat chick just said staying alive.

She will now talk about GOD, about great America, Goodness of Michael... blah blah blah blah...

Simple question:

Your neighbor is accused of abusing children, I am sure you will not say a word or do anything UNTIL proven guilty. I can tell you, NO. Alleged = crucified.

Americans always remind me why I thank GOD I was born a European.

(no offense)

Anyone is innocent until PROVEN otherwise...the man is dead ...how sick r u !!!!!

Very sick!