Hi We arrived in Doha Ten days ago. We will not have our residency visa for at least another 45 days. Is there any way to get a permit to buy liquor for your own home use in the meantime? Or, Is there anyone who could purchase some for us?
Gypsy used to be a journalist too and she still can't handle the apostrophe. Please everyone just because a word ends in a funny letter doesn't mean the plural gets an apostrophe.
Apostrophes are for possessives and omissions. Nothing else!
Why don't you visit other forum so you can meet the pretentious superman, Stealth? wrap his mouth with your web so he can't talk anymore! hmmm, also his hand so he can't type anymore he! he! he!
Since the provision of alcohol was taken over by QDC (part of Qatar Airways) it has become a profit making enterprise and prices have gone up beyond belief.
Prior to QDC taking over, it was a non profit making operation and much much cheaper.
Viduser next time you get to meet someone in high places ask them how come the qatar football team had millions spent on it and they couldnt win anything in the Gulf cup? When Ahmad trains out of his bedroom and holds US state championships everytime he steps into a bout??? and at the end of your question shout out in a very annoying voice HA? HA? HAAAA?
Met the Amir, seems like a nice chap, his wife was very pleasant too. Didn't have time to take him to task about the, bureaucracy here or ask him about the speeding drivers here, I did ask him if he was looking forward to the the Asian Games. This was before the games.
See people in high places: but if I was to meet him today what question would you like me to ask him.
Qatar is young, but what has education and time got to do with attitude, arrogance and treating people like slaves? Go to any undeveloped country and you will meet uneducated people who know how to respect the human race because they were "raised" to have respect. It's the way you are raised, not something you should be educated in.
Where is Terramax when you need him??? If you are talking about more than one Qatari it is spelt like this "Qataris" and not Qatari's. Get it? If you are talking about our webmaster's opinion you would say Qatari's opinion is .....
For example Aisha and Ahmad44 are Qataris not Qatari's.
I haven't read the entired conversation but I get the gist of it all, and basically some people take things way to seriously.
At the end of the day there are good and bad in all nationalities, countries whatever. Drinking doesn't make you bad, but just because it is part of a religion doesn't mean people don't do it.
Us westerners break plenty of our own rules just like everyone does.
If your pleasures or interests don't interfere with anyone else, whats the problem?
Martin
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter Thompson
So now because I've mentioned that I saw Qatari's drinking and I think they are reckless driver's I'm a racist! Wow Aisha, that's one solid argument. Yes, obviously because I said something that you consider to be negative (because remember I said that I think Qatari's drinking is a good thing) then I must be a racist.
I feel this thread is intentionally moved to* Qatar is Bad, Qatari’s are bad * and if someone trying to defend own country (Obviously) is also in the range of firing(See the orignal post for subject). Bad people are every where, any one claim that his/her country is free from all bad things??? Anyone???.Any one can claim that he/she is quite pure and never did a sin??? No definitely no. It is very easy to blame others but it’s recommended to see you’re inner also.
Aisha, I don't know you exactly but only that you are the Qatari which giving me the hope of more Bright Qatar in Future. Keep your passions up; you have to do a lot of deeds for your beautiful heaven (Qatar)
I think I see the elephants I’m not that blind. My argument has nothing to do with this. It’s just about my concept of politeness I guess. Maybe I’m too nice .. maybe you’re too insensitive :-P
When you go to QDC to bring your deposit with you, they do have cash machines there.
Prices are pretty good really, wine is more expensive than back home, beer is about 1 pound a bottle. Spirits marginally more expensive than england. The prices should be pretty close to what you see in Canada as your taxes are pretty high. The prices however will be a shock to any Europeans.
Aisha, I want the gap to be bridged, but it is a large Gulf and takes compromise on both sides. What you say about your country is right and I agree, you cannot go from third world to first world in the space of 15 years. Qatar is finding its feet and one day will be a wonderful country. I hope its people appreciate it and make the most of it.
This country is ruled by the HH The Emir, if there are problems, which need to be fixed, they could be fixed tomorrow. If speeding is a problem, a police crackdown would work but certain people might get caught. If smoking in the malls is a problem, have the Police remove the smokers, but who would get upset? If treating workers like slaves is a problem, it could be fixed tomorrow but that would cost money and force a change in doing business. If litter all over the country makes this a nasty place to live, cleaning it up could happen.
I think that most of us can agree that there are some problems in Qatar, maybe different problems than some other countries, but there are problems. The fact that most fixes are a "press release" and nothing else is the frustrating part of living here. To defend the "status quo" and not try to be better is probably the worst problem we have as Qatari citizens. When the citizens of this country take ownership of the problems and demand they be fixed instead of looking for a Govt job or handout and being happy, then Qatar will advance.
“Your response to my post above actually sums up the attitude and is, I imagine a gap that will probably never be bridged. “
So now you already see us as hopeless? Why bother arguing with me then if you believe the gap will never be bridged? What’s in my response makes you assume that?
I’m sorry you feel so because it means that I wasted my time in this discussion. About your questions of “ways” well I simply meant the style itself either being nice or being rude. It’s not the context it’s how smart you approach people here in order to fix things. I believe we are good people like most people are. Only you have to be smart enough to know how to get to us by guiding not attacking. As I already said in other posts, Qatar is young..the changes in the people attitudes in general come with time based on education and other factors not merely the financial sudden change. We are no cement buildings.
“Sadly like "the elephant in the room" we know why we will never see eye to eye but liberal people like myself feel saddened to see it spelt out.”
Can you please explain this to me? I didn’t understand that statement. I don’t know the elephant expression.
Dealing with your issues in a responsible way. A way that takes you and your country forwards is hard.
I am not racist, but I have been deeply disappointed with the attitude shown towards myself and my western colleagues in this country. And no I do not swan around with the "air of a middle class twit" or something similar written earlier.
Your response to my post above actually sums up the attitude and is, I imagine a gap that will probably never be bridged.
Sadly like "the elephant in the room" we know why we will never see eye to eye but liberal people like myself feel saddened to see it spelt out.
I quote: "I KNOW your way is unacceptable because it takes us no where".
BUT you speak about us in a way that is not nice. If you care about these people just for being “people” in the first place you could’ve criticized and maintained respect in order t be heard.
You think I don’t know we have awful car accidents? Actually I just lost a very loved one in one of those car accidents by irresponsible speeders. I KNOW we have issues and I KNOW your way is unacceptable because it takes us no where.
Sorry I did read the whole post. You brought his name into the post in the first place. His views are just that his viewpoints. You however chose to quantify them based on your experiences not his.
You know qd06, if you and Aisha actually read this thread instead of scanning for the word Qatari, you would see that we were simply dispelling bbskiu's delusional posts, not getting on the let's bash Qatar bandwagon.
As I sit back on the couch whistling ......... I want to screammmmmmmmm ahhhhhhhhhhhh. The negativity, the negativity, the real world has negative and postive elements. If you choose to be positive this does not make you naive or living in a fantasy world. If you choose to be negative this does not mean you only live in reality.
Qataris are all rude, arrogant, they don't listen to critism but they are also nice, humble, and open to new ideas or viewpoints..... Hmmmmmm it sounds like Qataris are Human Beings also. Please replace Qatari with any Nationality or Race if you please.
"If you can meet with truimph and disaster and treat those imposters just the same."
I am British and can readily accept that our country and our people have done some bad things in the past and on occasion (many occasions) do not represent themselves terribly well abroad. There are a tonne of other things too but lets not go there.
Anyway the thing is we generally acknowledge this fact sometimes have fun with it and try to look at ourselves and perhaps change our ways. Its called progress.
The problem I see with Qataris is that they are incapable of doing the same. I was recently told at work no less, "don't criticise the Qataris they don't like it and people have been fired for it"
Well its a bit like not scolding a child for bad behaviour, what happens they turn into spoilt brats who do as they please and generally make your life hell.
Now I am not saying Qataris are spoilt brats, but the analogy holds true, if a country can't take some constructive criticism how can it possibly move forward particularly in the 21st century.
Patting it on the head and saying "never mind, it doesn't matter" is not going to do anyone any good in the long term, and I don't think it applies just here, the richer GCC states seem to be of the same mindset.
Anyone who comes here and faces the bureaucracy and any other day to day hassle know what I mean.
In this day and age its is not good enough to say "this is how it is is done"
No its bloody not, not in this day and age, an age of computers and technology and hitech 24 hour world economies it aint. But if you don't want to listen don't but in the end don't turn around and wonder why you have been left behind, why no one wants to hang out with you and why you never get picked for the football team.
Petrol on fire now poured, you can still get your Liquor permit before your residency
Sitting back and waiting for it to go off. The famed Arabian hospitality is definately a myth here, Nothing makes you feel more wanted than being treated like a second class citizen.
As for driving lets be honest qataris the figures really do speak for themselves.
The shocking ignorance, arrogance, stupidity bad manners and impatience seen every day by all of us backs this up. Not just qataris though, lebanese are not too clever either. some ran my friend off the road the other day nice thanks.
By the way I recently visited Oman, people definately seemed nicer, no land cruisers cutting you up and a much nicer general sense of calm, the country is poorer then here, perhaps that gives them a greater sense of empathy understanding and pleasantness. And even though the country is poorer it actually seems more delveloped.
I digress you can get a liquor permit without residency !!!!. End of topic.
Aisha just because you cannot bear to hear anything bad about your country doesn't mean I'm disrespecting it. Guess what, now brace yourself, Qatar and Qatari's are NOT PERFECT.
First of all I don't see a problem with Qatari's drinking, I think it's fantastic, those Qatari's are far more down to earth and normal then the ones who pretend to be all high and mighty.
Second of all, Qatari's do drive like loons. I know you don't drive so you wouldn't know, but you should try it someday, you might enjoy it, if a land cruiser doesn't run you over.
Not all officials are Qatari's, same as not all govt agency personnel are Qatari (apart from one organization who listens in to your phone calls and reads what you put on the internet (SSB - be afraid be very afraid lol lol))
Well We will have to agree to disagree about Qataris then. Just have a look at the immigration officials welcoming new arrivals to their country with a smile in Doha's international airport and I think you will see where I'm coming from. You'd be lucky to get more than a grunt out of them.
I was the same generalized thinking about the Qataries: Not respecting others, not following Islam and respecting values. But I changed my views. I am directly related to Qataries as my job is specifically to teach/train them. I am very confident to say that the situation is not as its looks. I have been involved in training of 15 Qataries so far, I found 1 worst, 1 bad, 2 average and rest excellent in behavior so considering average is not bad. Same with every nation. We have to check ourselves also
One can see everything from Eyes, except his own Eyes...
I have always found the Qatari's to be a friendly nationality, what lets Qatar down are the non Qatari Gulf region personnel that are here with ourselves (GCC expats if you will).
I have found them to be harsh, ignorant and arrogant (my least favourite qualities in anyone)
However, I have also found western expats to replicate this attitude with an air of stuck up middle class wannabe's from back in the UK
key words in sentence one aisha are "i know". All the qataris I know could be as few as 1.
and as for generalisations about driving then I think they are fair enough. in 2004 Qatar has a per capita death rate of 19 (number of deaths per 100k pop).
This puts it at close to the very top of the world.
I've certainly never seen driving like it anywhere.
While we being controversial does anyone else think that famed "Arabian Hospitality" is a massive fiction? Having travelled a fair bit around the world I have never met a less friendly nationality than the Qataris
"Lets start to concentrate on the more positive side from now on, there is bigger things going on in the region that we all should be considering!"
I agree!
I already do this you can track my posts :-) As a Qatari I always concetrate on the positive effects of expats and the things we have in common. Way better!
Guys in every civilization and race there are those who tend not to conform to the standards set by peers religion etc. Its just a case of accepting that as long as it doesnt go to far (rape murder etc).
We all turn a blind eye to certain things and make a song and dance on others but we tend to forget the good charitable deeds done by the same creed/race/religion all the time!!
Lets start to concentrate on the more positive side from now on, there is bigger things going on in the region that we all should be considering!
I will learn respect, when you start living in the real world Aisha. Qatari's are human just like everyone else, and a lot more of them probably drink then you realize.
And who did I disrespect?? And don't say Qatari's.
Yes you didn’t generalize directly. But an ignorant reader would assume that (since there is no clear statement acknowledges the fact that the majority of the Qatari people are against these actions). I for one am upset that there are Qatari people who do not behave well ( according to the Islamic moderate teachings or simply the Qatari traditions)
I didn't generalize Aisha, I said I saw Qatari's drinking at bars, I didn't say ALL Qatari's drink in bars (some drink at home LOL). Learn what generalize means please.
"Qatari's are known all over the Gulf as being the worst and craziest drivers."
Not true. I don’t want to name nationalities but I know that this reputation is not for the Qataries.
Anddd, opposite to the Qatari men you see in bars drinking and playing around, there are hundreds of them in youth centers for charitable projects and religious social family activities. So please do not generalize.
much worse for driving in my humble opinion. You would think it would be impossible to be much worse than here but I think Saudi would get a guaranteed gold medal in the bad driving Olympics.
I know. I always heard it, but you have to see it for yourself to believe it. The bars there are jam packed with Saudi, Qataris and Kuwaitis, all in national dress.
Totally off-topic but speaking of Qatari's driving like loons, I was in Bharain the other weekend visiting my boyfriend, who is from Saudi, and we kept getting in near misses with land cruisers, which were everywhere. Every single one has a Qatar plate, there were dozens.
Also my boy says that Qatari's are known all over the Gulf as being the worst and craziest drivers.
from the utter banality and tedium that is Qatar, oooh that is harsh I take it back. Anyway stop having a go at drinking, in moderation its great like everything in life just don't over do it.
Anyway cscot asked advice on the Alcohol Permit and I think you'll find my info is correct, lets not turn it into yet another debate on Westerners BAD locals GOOD.
Although saying that the 4x4 comment above is correct and I still laugh at the post a while back saying Arabs are good drivers hence they can drive like loons.
I laugh every time I think about it. Particularly when I leave work and drive home.
Dude your fresh of the plane and first thing you want is a drink lool?? Go out to a bar until the permit is ready, and for god's sake dont trust anyone from the street selling you alcohol, i know karma is gonna get me back for everytime i pissed in a Rayyan water bottle and sold it to someone as alcohol when i was back in highschool!! Its all about the placebo effect, if they beleive its what you tell them, then they will get the full effect!!
But times have changed now and i've grown up, thats why i piss in real alcohol bottles and sell those now!! I can have a keg ready for you if you give me 5 days notice!!
Plus we got our liquor permit about two weeks after getting here, you need a letter from your employer saying its ok and how much you earn.
Then get down to QDC with the letter from work, like a no objection certificate really take your passport.
Also take a 1000 ryals cash as that is the deposit.
They take your picture, take your money and give you a printed QDC ID card this is valid for about 3 months then it expires at which point you go back to QDC with your ID card they then extend the membership for an extended period.
To summarise you do not need Residency to get a Liquor permit, but you do need a letter from your employer
Drink WISELY and occosionaly. But asking somebody in Internet to buy some alcohol for you I think is not appropriate. Please go to Hotel or bar around for now until you have your own liquor license.
Alcohol consumption in Doha makes me cry....Oops, sorry channeling bbskiu for a second there.
No you can't get a liscense till you get your residency, and I would look to your co workers rather than ask someone on an internet site to do something illegal for you. ;)
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Gypsy used to be a journalist too and she still can't handle the apostrophe. Please everyone just because a word ends in a funny letter doesn't mean the plural gets an apostrophe.
Apostrophes are for possessives and omissions. Nothing else!
Why don't you visit other forum so you can meet the pretentious superman, Stealth? wrap his mouth with your web so he can't talk anymore! hmmm, also his hand so he can't type anymore he! he! he!
Just keep dancing, it will do you good!
Officals in airports around the World are unfamous for being not nice to visitors.
In Qatar we feel bothered by drinking & not covering.
Most Qataris do not use English,thus, saying anything about Qatar in English is not helpful.
Since the provision of alcohol was taken over by QDC (part of Qatar Airways) it has become a profit making enterprise and prices have gone up beyond belief.
Prior to QDC taking over, it was a non profit making operation and much much cheaper.
AHMED44 if a single reply would make me leave QL for good it’ll defiantly be this one of yours.
But your post does not deserve a comment from my side.
I’m just sorry I was involved in an argument with people who talk nasty. Don’t know why the hell am I here.
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Viduser next time you get to meet someone in high places ask them how come the qatar football team had millions spent on it and they couldnt win anything in the Gulf cup? When Ahmad trains out of his bedroom and holds US state championships everytime he steps into a bout??? and at the end of your question shout out in a very annoying voice HA? HA? HAAAA?
I went to University in the US. Its amazing I can spell at all.
In university they called me Qatarian!! Made me feel like some high rank in the ancient Roman army or something.
Met the Amir, seems like a nice chap, his wife was very pleasant too. Didn't have time to take him to task about the, bureaucracy here or ask him about the speeding drivers here, I did ask him if he was looking forward to the the Asian Games. This was before the games.
See people in high places: but if I was to meet him today what question would you like me to ask him.
That actually should be on another thread
Qatar is young, but what has education and time got to do with attitude, arrogance and treating people like slaves? Go to any undeveloped country and you will meet uneducated people who know how to respect the human race because they were "raised" to have respect. It's the way you are raised, not something you should be educated in.
Where is Terramax when you need him??? If you are talking about more than one Qatari it is spelt like this "Qataris" and not Qatari's. Get it? If you are talking about our webmaster's opinion you would say Qatari's opinion is .....
For example Aisha and Ahmad44 are Qataris not Qatari's.
I haven't read the entired conversation but I get the gist of it all, and basically some people take things way to seriously.
At the end of the day there are good and bad in all nationalities, countries whatever. Drinking doesn't make you bad, but just because it is part of a religion doesn't mean people don't do it.
Us westerners break plenty of our own rules just like everyone does.
If your pleasures or interests don't interfere with anyone else, whats the problem?
Martin
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter Thompson
Not about Liquor Permit is about Aisha...
Please leave that small girl
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So now because I've mentioned that I saw Qatari's drinking and I think they are reckless driver's I'm a racist! Wow Aisha, that's one solid argument. Yes, obviously because I said something that you consider to be negative (because remember I said that I think Qatari's drinking is a good thing) then I must be a racist.
Real world Aisha, it's out there waiting for you.
I feel this thread is intentionally moved to* Qatar is Bad, Qatari’s are bad * and if someone trying to defend own country (Obviously) is also in the range of firing(See the orignal post for subject). Bad people are every where, any one claim that his/her country is free from all bad things??? Anyone???.Any one can claim that he/she is quite pure and never did a sin??? No definitely no. It is very easy to blame others but it’s recommended to see you’re inner also.
Aisha, I don't know you exactly but only that you are the Qatari which giving me the hope of more Bright Qatar in Future. Keep your passions up; you have to do a lot of deeds for your beautiful heaven (Qatar)
HaShMi
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Ok I got it from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room
I think I see the elephants I’m not that blind. My argument has nothing to do with this. It’s just about my concept of politeness I guess. Maybe I’m too nice .. maybe you’re too insensitive :-P
Am I making myself clear now?
Anyway thanks for "Qatar is finding its feet".
no hard feelings I hope.
Bye :-D
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When you go to QDC to bring your deposit with you, they do have cash machines there.
Prices are pretty good really, wine is more expensive than back home, beer is about 1 pound a bottle. Spirits marginally more expensive than england. The prices should be pretty close to what you see in Canada as your taxes are pretty high. The prices however will be a shock to any Europeans.
Aisha, I want the gap to be bridged, but it is a large Gulf and takes compromise on both sides. What you say about your country is right and I agree, you cannot go from third world to first world in the space of 15 years. Qatar is finding its feet and one day will be a wonderful country. I hope its people appreciate it and make the most of it.
Cheers
This country is ruled by the HH The Emir, if there are problems, which need to be fixed, they could be fixed tomorrow. If speeding is a problem, a police crackdown would work but certain people might get caught. If smoking in the malls is a problem, have the Police remove the smokers, but who would get upset? If treating workers like slaves is a problem, it could be fixed tomorrow but that would cost money and force a change in doing business. If litter all over the country makes this a nasty place to live, cleaning it up could happen.
I think that most of us can agree that there are some problems in Qatar, maybe different problems than some other countries, but there are problems. The fact that most fixes are a "press release" and nothing else is the frustrating part of living here. To defend the "status quo" and not try to be better is probably the worst problem we have as Qatari citizens. When the citizens of this country take ownership of the problems and demand they be fixed instead of looking for a Govt job or handout and being happy, then Qatar will advance.
“Your response to my post above actually sums up the attitude and is, I imagine a gap that will probably never be bridged. “
So now you already see us as hopeless? Why bother arguing with me then if you believe the gap will never be bridged? What’s in my response makes you assume that?
I’m sorry you feel so because it means that I wasted my time in this discussion. About your questions of “ways” well I simply meant the style itself either being nice or being rude. It’s not the context it’s how smart you approach people here in order to fix things. I believe we are good people like most people are. Only you have to be smart enough to know how to get to us by guiding not attacking. As I already said in other posts, Qatar is young..the changes in the people attitudes in general come with time based on education and other factors not merely the financial sudden change. We are no cement buildings.
“Sadly like "the elephant in the room" we know why we will never see eye to eye but liberal people like myself feel saddened to see it spelt out.”
Can you please explain this to me? I didn’t understand that statement. I don’t know the elephant expression.
Thank you.
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You're spider is really energetic.
Tomorrow is another day people has different mood just don't pursue any argument the next day it will be forgotten and forgiven!
"Alhamduli'allah"
Just keep dancing, it will do you good!
Dealing with your issues in a responsible way. A way that takes you and your country forwards is hard.
I am not racist, but I have been deeply disappointed with the attitude shown towards myself and my western colleagues in this country. And no I do not swan around with the "air of a middle class twit" or something similar written earlier.
Your response to my post above actually sums up the attitude and is, I imagine a gap that will probably never be bridged.
Sadly like "the elephant in the room" we know why we will never see eye to eye but liberal people like myself feel saddened to see it spelt out.
I quote: "I KNOW your way is unacceptable because it takes us no where".
What is my way exactly ??
What is your way ??
Will our ways ever cross.
BUT you speak about us in a way that is not nice. If you care about these people just for being “people” in the first place you could’ve criticized and maintained respect in order t be heard.
You think I don’t know we have awful car accidents? Actually I just lost a very loved one in one of those car accidents by irresponsible speeders. I KNOW we have issues and I KNOW your way is unacceptable because it takes us no where.
Now you're being racist too.
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Gypsy,
Sorry I did read the whole post. You brought his name into the post in the first place. His views are just that his viewpoints. You however chose to quantify them based on your experiences not his.
Act your age not your shoe size
You know qd06, if you and Aisha actually read this thread instead of scanning for the word Qatari, you would see that we were simply dispelling bbskiu's delusional posts, not getting on the let's bash Qatar bandwagon.
As I sit back on the couch whistling ......... I want to screammmmmmmmm ahhhhhhhhhhhh. The negativity, the negativity, the real world has negative and postive elements. If you choose to be positive this does not make you naive or living in a fantasy world. If you choose to be negative this does not mean you only live in reality.
Qataris are all rude, arrogant, they don't listen to critism but they are also nice, humble, and open to new ideas or viewpoints..... Hmmmmmm it sounds like Qataris are Human Beings also. Please replace Qatari with any Nationality or Race if you please.
"If you can meet with truimph and disaster and treat those imposters just the same."
Rudyard Kipling
Act your age not your shoe size
I am British and can readily accept that our country and our people have done some bad things in the past and on occasion (many occasions) do not represent themselves terribly well abroad. There are a tonne of other things too but lets not go there.
Anyway the thing is we generally acknowledge this fact sometimes have fun with it and try to look at ourselves and perhaps change our ways. Its called progress.
The problem I see with Qataris is that they are incapable of doing the same. I was recently told at work no less, "don't criticise the Qataris they don't like it and people have been fired for it"
Well its a bit like not scolding a child for bad behaviour, what happens they turn into spoilt brats who do as they please and generally make your life hell.
Now I am not saying Qataris are spoilt brats, but the analogy holds true, if a country can't take some constructive criticism how can it possibly move forward particularly in the 21st century.
Patting it on the head and saying "never mind, it doesn't matter" is not going to do anyone any good in the long term, and I don't think it applies just here, the richer GCC states seem to be of the same mindset.
Anyone who comes here and faces the bureaucracy and any other day to day hassle know what I mean.
In this day and age its is not good enough to say "this is how it is is done"
No its bloody not, not in this day and age, an age of computers and technology and hitech 24 hour world economies it aint. But if you don't want to listen don't but in the end don't turn around and wonder why you have been left behind, why no one wants to hang out with you and why you never get picked for the football team.
Petrol on fire now poured, you can still get your Liquor permit before your residency
Careful aviduser you are disrespecting Qatari's. :P
Remember they are incapable of doing anything wrong.
Sitting back and waiting for it to go off. The famed Arabian hospitality is definately a myth here, Nothing makes you feel more wanted than being treated like a second class citizen.
As for driving lets be honest qataris the figures really do speak for themselves.
The shocking ignorance, arrogance, stupidity bad manners and impatience seen every day by all of us backs this up. Not just qataris though, lebanese are not too clever either. some ran my friend off the road the other day nice thanks.
By the way I recently visited Oman, people definately seemed nicer, no land cruisers cutting you up and a much nicer general sense of calm, the country is poorer then here, perhaps that gives them a greater sense of empathy understanding and pleasantness. And even though the country is poorer it actually seems more delveloped.
I digress you can get a liquor permit without residency !!!!. End of topic.
Dance Spiderman DANCE !!
Aisha just because you cannot bear to hear anything bad about your country doesn't mean I'm disrespecting it. Guess what, now brace yourself, Qatar and Qatari's are NOT PERFECT.
First of all I don't see a problem with Qatari's drinking, I think it's fantastic, those Qatari's are far more down to earth and normal then the ones who pretend to be all high and mighty.
Second of all, Qatari's do drive like loons. I know you don't drive so you wouldn't know, but you should try it someday, you might enjoy it, if a land cruiser doesn't run you over.
Not all officials are Qatari's, same as not all govt agency personnel are Qatari (apart from one organization who listens in to your phone calls and reads what you put on the internet (SSB - be afraid be very afraid lol lol))
We came we saw we were Qatarized
lets all put the claws back in, why are people so eager to tear apart the country and the people which pays there wages? meow!!!
Well We will have to agree to disagree about Qataris then. Just have a look at the immigration officials welcoming new arrivals to their country with a smile in Doha's international airport and I think you will see where I'm coming from. You'd be lucky to get more than a grunt out of them.
I was the same generalized thinking about the Qataries: Not respecting others, not following Islam and respecting values. But I changed my views. I am directly related to Qataries as my job is specifically to teach/train them. I am very confident to say that the situation is not as its looks. I have been involved in training of 15 Qataries so far, I found 1 worst, 1 bad, 2 average and rest excellent in behavior so considering average is not bad. Same with every nation. We have to check ourselves also
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I have always found the Qatari's to be a friendly nationality, what lets Qatar down are the non Qatari Gulf region personnel that are here with ourselves (GCC expats if you will).
I have found them to be harsh, ignorant and arrogant (my least favourite qualities in anyone)
However, I have also found western expats to replicate this attitude with an air of stuck up middle class wannabe's from back in the UK
Thread hijack again me thinks
We came we saw we were Qatarized
key words in sentence one aisha are "i know". All the qataris I know could be as few as 1.
and as for generalisations about driving then I think they are fair enough. in 2004 Qatar has a per capita death rate of 19 (number of deaths per 100k pop).
This puts it at close to the very top of the world.
I've certainly never seen driving like it anywhere.
While we being controversial does anyone else think that famed "Arabian Hospitality" is a massive fiction? Having travelled a fair bit around the world I have never met a less friendly nationality than the Qataris
"Lets start to concentrate on the more positive side from now on, there is bigger things going on in the region that we all should be considering!"
I agree!
I already do this you can track my posts :-) As a Qatari I always concetrate on the positive effects of expats and the things we have in common. Way better!
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Guys in every civilization and race there are those who tend not to conform to the standards set by peers religion etc. Its just a case of accepting that as long as it doesnt go to far (rape murder etc).
We all turn a blind eye to certain things and make a song and dance on others but we tend to forget the good charitable deeds done by the same creed/race/religion all the time!!
Lets start to concentrate on the more positive side from now on, there is bigger things going on in the region that we all should be considering!
We came we saw we were Qatarized
But if you want examples from this thread here you go:
"ALL the Qataris I know speak English very well. I meet THEM in the bars ALL THE TIME. Not to mention at the QDC"
"speaking of Qatari's driving like LOONS.."
"Qataris are the ONLY ONES who know how to get their landcrusiers up on two wheels. LOL."
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Well Gypsy has perfected the art of insulting anyone/anything that she doesnt like.
"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want"
I didn't disrespect any nations at all Aisha. Unless of course you think I did so by pointing out that some Qatari's drink.
Disrespecting other nations takes many forms. Some through jokes that are mostly funny. Others through implied insult by the kind of language used…etc
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will start living in the real world then.
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I will learn respect, when you start living in the real world Aisha. Qatari's are human just like everyone else, and a lot more of them probably drink then you realize.
And who did I disrespect?? And don't say Qatari's.
Yes you didn’t generalize directly. But an ignorant reader would assume that (since there is no clear statement acknowledges the fact that the majority of the Qatari people are against these actions). I for one am upset that there are Qatari people who do not behave well ( according to the Islamic moderate teachings or simply the Qatari traditions)
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I didn't generalize Aisha, I said I saw Qatari's drinking at bars, I didn't say ALL Qatari's drink in bars (some drink at home LOL). Learn what generalize means please.
"Qatari's are known all over the Gulf as being the worst and craziest drivers."
Not true. I don’t want to name nationalities but I know that this reputation is not for the Qataries.
Anddd, opposite to the Qatari men you see in bars drinking and playing around, there are hundreds of them in youth centers for charitable projects and religious social family activities. So please do not generalize.
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Yes but apprantely Qataris are the only ones who know how to get their landcrusiers up on two wheels. LOL.
much worse for driving in my humble opinion. You would think it would be impossible to be much worse than here but I think Saudi would get a guaranteed gold medal in the bad driving Olympics.
I know. I always heard it, but you have to see it for yourself to believe it. The bars there are jam packed with Saudi, Qataris and Kuwaitis, all in national dress.
Apparently its full of Saudis and Qataris at the Weekend surprise surprise.
Totally off-topic but speaking of Qatari's driving like loons, I was in Bharain the other weekend visiting my boyfriend, who is from Saudi, and we kept getting in near misses with land cruisers, which were everywhere. Every single one has a Qatar plate, there were dozens.
Also my boy says that Qatari's are known all over the Gulf as being the worst and craziest drivers.
Perhaps they've been driving drunk?
from the utter banality and tedium that is Qatar, oooh that is harsh I take it back. Anyway stop having a go at drinking, in moderation its great like everything in life just don't over do it.
Anyway cscot asked advice on the Alcohol Permit and I think you'll find my info is correct, lets not turn it into yet another debate on Westerners BAD locals GOOD.
Although saying that the 4x4 comment above is correct and I still laugh at the post a while back saying Arabs are good drivers hence they can drive like loons.
I laugh every time I think about it. Particularly when I leave work and drive home.
Cheers !!!!!!
and neither is driving like a lunatic in a 4x4
Ahmad,
only in Qatar lol
Act your age not your shoe size
Dude your fresh of the plane and first thing you want is a drink lool?? Go out to a bar until the permit is ready, and for god's sake dont trust anyone from the street selling you alcohol, i know karma is gonna get me back for everytime i pissed in a Rayyan water bottle and sold it to someone as alcohol when i was back in highschool!! Its all about the placebo effect, if they beleive its what you tell them, then they will get the full effect!!
But times have changed now and i've grown up, thats why i piss in real alcohol bottles and sell those now!! I can have a keg ready for you if you give me 5 days notice!!
That's ok Dragon, I can get all the things I mentioned.
Hopefully, here you would not need alcohol to consume. Instead you could save money to buy vegetables & fruits.
Plus we got our liquor permit about two weeks after getting here, you need a letter from your employer saying its ok and how much you earn.
Then get down to QDC with the letter from work, like a no objection certificate really take your passport.
Also take a 1000 ryals cash as that is the deposit.
They take your picture, take your money and give you a printed QDC ID card this is valid for about 3 months then it expires at which point you go back to QDC with your ID card they then extend the membership for an extended period.
To summarise you do not need Residency to get a Liquor permit, but you do need a letter from your employer
Cheers
Alcohol consumption in hot countries is not healthy as I know.
Was just trying to do you a favor!
Coz I know how to get my hands on some of the things you were talking about!
Cheers!
I don't email people I don't know off the internet. Sorry.
Email me plz. I might have some interesting info for u!
All the Qataris I know speak English very well. I meet them in the bars all the time. Not to mention at the QDC.
I do. Makes you forget you live in Doha.
A lot of Qataris do not use English. They do not know about what Expatriates do here.
I do not recommend drinking for anyone.
Instead of drinking Khamr in Qatar, we could drink camel milk, maybe Zamzam water, rose water drink, mint tea,
Drink WISELY and occosionaly. But asking somebody in Internet to buy some alcohol for you I think is not appropriate. Please go to Hotel or bar around for now until you have your own liquor license.
This is what I get for getting drunk so early in the day. :P
Alcohol is good. Porkchops are good. Bacon is good. yum yum
Why doesn't someone do something about it? Very sad.
No it isn't. If it is, please send the cops to arrest me.
There is plenty of alcohol in Qatar. If you can't wait to get your residency just hit one of the bars at the hotels.
Alcohol consumption in Doha makes me cry....Oops, sorry channeling bbskiu for a second there.
No you can't get a liscense till you get your residency, and I would look to your co workers rather than ask someone on an internet site to do something illegal for you. ;)