India making a fool of itself again.!!!

Even I don't beleive the Italin marines will be ever put in Indian jails. But the disrespect shown by the Italian authorities against the Supreme court was unacceptable to any Indian.....

Diplomacy wine. Now lets wait for Justice.

Indeed, Indian diplomacy won!!. Applauding the Supreme Court of India for taking the tough stand and upholding the pride of our nation, even though our nation houses mostly poor & uneducated people (as mentioned by the citizens of so called developed nations)

Mera Bharat Mahan....

they should be hanged for the crime of innocent fishermans like saudi rule no compromise for westerners

TheSurprised said

'' ...However we know there is no way Italy will return the marines now ..'''

Wed, 20/03/2013 - 2:31pm

sense has prevailed and the marines are on their way back to India. Looks like indignation worked and the Italians were not able to withstand the moral pressure around the world.

Isnt this exactly the same situation with Amanda Knox, who after leaving Italy when her murder case was going on, is now busy writing a memoir in the US ?

History repeats itself people.

lol HGL...true... I too want to see what excuse it will be this time... or what loophole...

BB....in how many days do you think this drama would be over. I guess 7 days...:) or may be the Con-gress would drag it (obviously with the blessings of the Italian govt) until the episode gets to each and every person in the remotest corner of India so that they are seen as people who also think in the interests of the country.....ROFL. Thats a good one "pull out a rabbit from the hat"...what would it be this time??? Already Natwar Singh was saying yesterday that India cant hold the ambassador back and some noise was made in EU...guess things are being made to work from other side too. BTW Con-gress party dramas are more interesting than CID and Ekta Kapoor's soaps except that the end is known even before it begins...:)

You remind me of my Cuban Shotputter :O)

The Question should NEVER have been "why they didnt return?"... The question should have been "whey were they LET TO GO"?

They have very smartly put the blame on Italians... when the blame should have been with India...

They will pull out a "rabbit" from the hat... just wait and see... they have done things like that before...

These politicians have become completely SHAMELESS... they no longer wear clothes...

This is just one incident...

WHICH country would have let their prisoners GO (of all things) for voting...duh? they could have cast their ballot with the ambassador (which is the correct method) and flown the ballot to Italy?

INDIAN PUBLIC are MORONS... they have been screwed many times by these politicians ... at the end of the day the Politicians have to just calm the feathers of their respective religions and ALL is Well...

Anybody who think that India will stop the Ambassador is really KIDDING himself...

... these are all political DRAMA... which will give the Indian people "Pride" that the country has "taken action"... when in fact these are all well thought out plans of the Indian Politicians to get the marines out without loosing face.

The Politicians who are involved in the deal making will make a lot of money... at the end the PUBLIC will become FOOLS... as always...

...till then the media will have a good time... holding debates, talks and discussions on the issue... as always... especially as they want the public to discuss this instead of things like "Aam Aadmi Party" who are kicking up a storm and bringing in a peace full Revolution in India.

But I give full marks to the Italy in putting full support behind their two soldiers... something India can learn from.

Agree with HGL..

Let's also try to break some rules.

U guys talk as if it's only India who has to maintain the morals and the rules...

Let's see how it's gonna shape up...

Right on happygolucky..well said. Keep it up.

HGL Italy has returned the guys where they belong, to their home and let the this case be sorted in the International courts! :)

It is OK...we see International laws being broken by every other country now and then...whats the big deal if India is doing so...though I am of the opinion that Italy should profusely apologise and return those two guys and then fight the legal battle in international courts as they deem fit.

Be careful what you say for whom on the net. You can get into trouble.

Gents, Even if the argument of Italy deserves weightage, they should have argued for the same prior to the bail not after that like crooks as they do now!!

And some glorified QL members to support that silly deed of Italy!!

UkEngQatar - All of Europe put togather cannot make up for what India is. Actually Europe is a collection of little tiny countries put togather and who act togather as a mafia when it suits them. In parts of Asia they think of Europe more like a female film star which has reached its expiry date

Italy may be a member country of the EU but how does this emeliorate Italy's lack of credibility?

Non EU countries do not trade with EU but with individual member countries of the EU.

Italy is part of the EU. no loss or harm to it, India stands alone!

Here Italy's credibility is in question among the international community.

You know what will be the result if a nation cannot be trusted by the global community...!!!

Becoming a diplomatic circus, well atleast the sailors are enjoying their pasta & glass of wine :)

UKEng, They agreed to return when the bail was granted. Now they say they will not.

They raise a lame excuse now with an illogical argument. It is totally a breach of trust from the side of Italy.

I think the overall damage for Italy will be more than what is for India with this action of Italy.

Now on the international community will distrust or think twice the promises Italian Govt would make in future in any area.

Angered by Italy reneging on its commitment to send back its two marines, India is downgrading its diplomatic ties with it which means there will be no Ambassador-level representation between the two countries

Well when a diplomat reneges on his own promises to the courts then he looses all rights to diplomatic immunity and he will be treated as a common criminal guilty of assisting criminals to escape

that reminds me of k!lling in UAE by US force , i don't see it in news anymore

My point was that there is a difference between "barring" and "preventoing from leaving"

BE, Read this..

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/446028/20130314/italy-india-marines-maro-girone-latorre.htm

You hit it on the head. :o)

brit...nope, no wishful thinking. Just talking of how much a country can assert itself and where to assert itself. Replace India with China... and see the picture, how it looks now.

lol...and every country follows it to letter and spirit...right? Is there no law that one country cannot barge into another country in the dead of the night, pull out a person, kill him and dump him and go away. Or the law books are written for only non-european countries.

Wishful thinking. Taking such an action would lead to a major international dispute..

Its not about the guts its about International law concerning Diplomats.

If India wants and has the guts it can keep him under house arrest. What would Italy do....fight it out somewhere in some court...go ahead do it. No one can come and forcefully take him away, now can they. But its all about guts and even if India may have the guts in the present equation it may not be allowed to do so except what they are doing now, enacting political drama through exchange of words.

BE exactly he has diplomatic immunity I guess!

Under international law, India cannot stop the Italian ambassador from leaving..

KR I was pointing out the facts and the reason cited by the Italian on deciding not to return..!

lol HGL...

another SHOCKING news just exposed!!!

Major Indian Private Sector Banks, HDFC Bank, ICICI Bank and Axis Bank, Are Blatantly Running A Huge Nation-wide Money Laundering Racket

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JTbu5uTH01E#!

Just like it was mentioned in one spy movie of Milind Soman "16 December"

I am loving the Indian political drama...PM getting angry, this minister talking that minister talking, ambassador is wrong etc etc....blo*dy spineless oldies with their legs in graves what they can do...none except increasing the figure of loot in their banks. No one is wrong cos the money was just right the second time.

Right or wrong... is for the court to decide... local/international whatever...

But to let them walk out is another matter...

Politicians know after a lot of debate and angry blah... blah.. then after 6 months everything will be back to normal...

UKEng,

Italy's ambassador Daniele Mancini will not be allowed to leave India untill a satisfactory explaination is given by him to the Indian SC. He had assured the court that the two mariners shall return after casting their votes.

This is a clear contemp of court. If Italy had to bring in the issue of international waters etc. why did they not tell it when these mariners were arrested?

So how abt the affidavit given by the country's ambassador, UKEng?? Was it just a piece of paper??

The incident took place in international waters and India does not have jurisdictions hence the men are right not to come back to India!

And no they didnt walk away free... somewhere someone must have paid millions...

All parties are corrupt... not just the family party... all have their rates... for example Enron was sanctioned with the blessings of Shiv Sena.. Enron was the biggest con... on the Indian Government...

How can a Country give a contract to a company that had NEVER produced a single watt of Power?

Increasing Taxes on the common man and stealing US $ 32 billion via the 2G Spectrum scam from the Tax Money.

Some of the scams at a glance in which all parties made some killing are:

• Lucknow Development Authority (LDA) Land Scam – 6 crores

• Kolkotta Museum Scam – 18 crores

• Madhya Pradesh Health Minister Ajay Vishnoi quits after Income Tax raid on brother’s premises – 500 crore

• Hotel Le Meridien Credit card skimming – 1 crore

• Ghaziabad Provident Fund scam – 23 crores

• Mid Day Meal Scam – 15.37 crores

• 2G Spectrum Scam – 1,76,000 crores Dec 08 – Center claims that charges are baseless

• Satyam Computer’s Emergency Management Research Institute (EMRI) Ambulance Services Scam – 5600 crores

• E-ticketing fraud – 5 crores

• 11 Directors of National Agricultural Marketing Federation of India(Nafed) face criminal action in a Rs3,700 crore fraud.

• Bitumen Scam – more than 100 crores

• Chhattisgarh Paddy Scam – 4000 crores

• IAS officer Pradeep Sharma Bheed Bazaar Land allotment scam – 70 crores

• Railways and LIC Scam – 400 crores

• Bhopal Home Loan Scam – 2 crores

• President of the Medical Council of India (MCI), Dr Ketan Desai in college scam – 500 crores

• Lalit Modi Indian Premier League (IPL) Scam – 1200 crores (Read more 1)

• Commonwealth Games Scam - 8000 crores (Read more 1 2)

• Senior citizen savings scheme (SCSS) Post Office Scam - 2 crores (Read more 1)

• International Film Festival of India (IFFI) Infrastructure creation Scam in Goa - ? crores

• Adarsh Society Scam – ? crores

• State-owned Mineral Scrap Trading Corporation (MSTC) was defraudedby jewelery traders – 1400 crores

• Citibank swindle – 300 crores (Read more 1)

Our politicians are stupid... and Corrupt... its time to change them...

Goal is by 2014 the Aam Admi Party will replace them...

The permission was given by the Supreme Court bench headed by Cheif Justice of India itself. I don't think think the judiciary at that level is corrupted. If the ambassador of the country guarantees the court the return of the citizens after the vacation, any country may let the accused go for a short vacation. It may be seen as a kind gesture from a nation known for its hospitality......

Let's see how it's gonna handled by the govt.

5 top reasons for this act by the Govt of India:

1) They just killed some fishermen. it's not as if they killed a movie star or a cricketer

2) They wanted to save the public exchequer the expense of a long and pointless trial.

3) It is a gesture of goodwill as India wants to be a part of the EU. (we are connected to Europe via Turkey )

4) Being a prisoner in another country is no excuse for not voting. Long live democracy

5) they promised they would come back.

yeah free at last and in the arms of their mistresses back home. Looks like a nice little bollywood movie with Sardar mac Mohan and Sonia antonette as the lead actors

As you said they went home at Christmas time, so may be their prayers were answered by God and they are free now.

The naval guards — Massimiliano Lattore and Salvatore Girone — charged with homicide for killing two fishermen off the Kerala coast in February last year in an anti-piracy operation, were permitted by the apex court on February 22 to go to Italy for four weeks for voting in election.

Last time they were allowed to go home for Christmas holidays after which they returned back to India on expiry of their leave.

yep ! But u know what gets on my nerves, coz we always have to do our scenes, that these soldiers are called ''italian pride'' ..... after they DID kill those fishermen ! They won't be tried in Italy, I can tell u that for sure ! and yes, you are right, the trial should happen in a neutral location. But if i know my country well, these two are already back to their military duty with no trouble at all.

I am sure that you make a valid point. The value of civilian life is proportionate to the power you can wield - Sad fact of life..

Would killing and murdering people in international waters or airspace not be a criminal offence. Would the italians or other europeans have kept quite if their citizens were murdered in international waters or is it that the lives of this poor fisherman does not matter just because they were poor and indians or asians

some bureaucrat in the Indian government would have come up with a brilliant logic. "they are murderers. How about if we dont keep them in our country and instead send them off to their own country. It then becomes the Italian government's headache to look after them "

Said bureaucrat would have got a promotion.

Translater, Your are right..track the money..Its all a pre-fixed match... and will go on for some time.

Look at the cold responses of the Indian politicians!!!

India Incredible India!

Sorry, I can not blame the Italian government in this matter. Possibly the Indian judges were just waiting for the right amount of money to facilitate the case.

i knew this before.. coz not even a kindergarten kid would take a decision like this to leave the prisoners for casting vote in their mother country. if that is justice there are so many prisoners in india. the government must giv them a vaccation for 1 month to meet their family or to cast vote or what ever.. it is a real stupid act by the government.. is this democracy..? where the citizens have only the right to vote. and keep their mouth shut to all the acts of the goverment later.

We Follow Great Mahatma Gandhi..footstep.. Forgive them..!!

britexpat...yes, thats what I meant...thanks...:)

Indian needs to sort out their judiciary. It took them over 4 years to hang the Bombay Bomber!

Well , i feel it is good that Italy hold back the 2 men who were to be send back. Indian Government will not take any decession on this matter and these 2 men may have natural deth here in indian prision and this long stay in prison will just cost India lot of expenditure and nothing more. I feel it is good that they did not come back

Most countries in that region are run my families look at Bangladesh or Pakistan etc!

Sonia Gandhi is an Italian, that's Y..

Britexpat, may be the Italian government thought that due the bureaucratic nature of Indian justice system their soldiers will not get quick justice. So better to sort things out at Government level. Happens all the time.

Indian is not known for its swift justice system!

I think you meant "The country is a lost case as long as it is run by the family party."

Corruption goes international, track the money to find answers.

Mr. Wirehead, you have to understand that the person's adviser includes Joshua++++

What do you expect then....

few hundred thousands are enough for sending anyone on holiday in India.... also u can promote ur brand through paid news ... or change courts decision in ur favor

Agree with the title and no comments. The reasons are obvious. And am sure if repeated the outcome would again be the same. The country is a lost case until it is run by the family party.

Very simple...close the Italian Embassy in India and switch off all political terms for not following the protocol and not respecting the rules of each other....

Real upper class

The issue is that the Italians say the incident happened in International waters, hence the trial must take place either in Italy or a neutral location.

I am Italian .... we don't even have a government at the moment .... we are the only Country where u go to vote BUT come out with NO result !

Anyway the two KILLED two INDIAN citizens and must be kept there, jailed and punished accoring to the local law. Only a pathetic Country (sorry to say) like mine can call them ''Italian pride'' .....

Before everyone goes off at a tangent. These were soldiers - not civilians. So, the agreement to let them go must have occured at a higher level with certain understandings. It seems that either Italy broke the agreement OR this was the plan all along..

I guess shapil is right. I was also thinking in those lines when I came to know of their parole on grounds of voting in Italy.

As long as Italian waitress is pulling the strings in india...what do you expect? I was surprised that this did not happen sooner.

i have heard some cases of criminals being allowed to go home for funerals and stuff. not if that home is in another country though. especially if that country does not have an extradition treaty with you

Well any guesses for how much money must have been paid to the local politicians and leaders in India to allow this stupidity to happen. Have never heard before of criminals being given breaks to go home for christmas and for their mothers birthday

Any legal ground for such silly act ? Or is it a fixed match?

well I suppose the old, sick,lame, senile and walking wounded leaders in India dont really know or have a clue to what is going on around them to have allowed this murderers to go home on holidays for christmas, for voting, etc and now they are not getting back

Games countries play. Remember the French who sank the Greenpeace Ship and the American pilot who killed skiers in Italy.

Italy has pulled a fast one. The Indian authorities should have held them, rather than allow it to go to an

"international dispute"

It will drag on for years now..

the italian embassy should have had some sort of absentee voting program. it wou;dn't have happened then.

if it makes you feel any better, my government last week practically gave permission to a foreign country to murder hundreds of our citizens who supposedly 'intruded' on a land that was historically theirs just because this government didn't have the balls nor the brains to think and stand up for something.

third world problems

Forgiving is divine ..