Im confused, why do woman need a vail ?

In the town where I currently live in England, one of the largest Sikh temples in Britain was recently completed and open to worshippers and the public alike.

A male friend and I went to visit it the day after it opened. Before being allowed into the Prayer Hall we first were requested to take off our shoes and to put on a headscarf. They supplied a selection of these for both men and women.

And, of course, traditionally, brides from many nationalities, cultures or religious sects may choose to cover their head AND face with a veil - yes?

You know, it isn't all THAT many years ago that I was almost refused entry into a well known London wine bar because I was wearing trousers! (I offered to take them off, but they decided it was ok to keep them on provided I kept my coat done up. hee hee)

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wow, this is a pretty decent discussion.

we always like to pinpoint on muslims women and veils and head scarves.

in India, among Hindus and Sikhs, women cover their heads, even if it meant only in their place of worship.now with modernisation and open mindedness, women have stopped doing so, but among the older generation women still practice it.in certain parts, women dont come in front of the strange men, and if they do, they usually talk from behind the curtains or come with veils over their face.this was something very specific among the higher class of the soceity.

surprised? but most of it is not practised now, but women still try to practice it in their place of workship.

welcome jauntie, no one speaks out of turn, so dont worry.

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.. I was educated at a Convent School and have often smiled to myself that the reason I feel quite at home around abyas and veils is because I was surrounded by nuns wearing floor length black habits (white on high days and holy days), with long veils pinned to their heads, throughout my formative years.

There are still many sects/religions which require people to cover their heads when entering a place of worship. Not just women.. men also.

Ha! Just a thought .. heads covered, but feet exposed? Now what's THAT all about!

All much of a muchness, really.

:o)

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Hair is a women's crowning glory??? That's a little bit shallow don't you think? Surely our brains or our personalities should be our crowning glory, not some physical aspect. You can tell these books were written by men. :P

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I agree with you cmcpherson ladies hair is the crowning glory of their body and u can find that it in the Bible (Book of Corinthians) ladies need to cover their hair, with due respect why we expose our crowning glory? maybe of modern approach? i also need an answer and in Islam it is both of religous and cultural beliefs they live with it.

Thanks for all the great opinions on women wearing a veil. My understanding is that it is in fact a religious requirement and can be found referenced many times in the Christian Bible. Reference is made as to why women should cover as well. In thinking back it is not such a crazy thought. When I was a child growing up in Canada I remember my Irish grandmother and many women covering their head with a scharf. Some covered more than this. It was very normal for women to cover in those days particularly if they were Catholic or Christian.

I never like to make assumptions. Fair enough that some women who are covered may look on to us with envy. But then again some may look and feel sorry for us that we have chosen to expose ourselves. One never knows!

anytime jaunt...but meant places in qatar...otherwise it's a free world!

... although I have to admit that since the late 70s, when I first lived in Jeddah (and even during the 70s when it was difficult NOT to bump into a veiled lady in black garb when in the vicinity of Marks & Spencer, Oxford Street, London) I was always very careful to keep my ample bosom from brushing against ANY other female whilst out shopping, let alone an untouchable one ;o)

All in good fun :o)

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One of the things i heard before coming here is never to look at the eyes of a veiled woman, things could be miscontrued.

Also be very careful don't even accidentally brush agsint a woman with a woman in a veil in places like supermarket aisles and stuff...one scream and off to the pokey you go

"...Then i look into the eyes of some arabic woman who have on a vail...."

Well, all I can say to tobiaswebsite is that I have seen some very beautiful eyes when I have looked at them peeking out between that wee opening in the veil and if anyone appeared envious I suspect it was ME!

What a wonderful way to emphasise one of a womans most attractive and expressive assets.

I'm new here, so hope I'm not speaking out of turn :o)

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thanks girls for your feedback.

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good 4 u..alexa!

well..lets just hope!!

Mabrouk Hayoonah on being accepted into Oxford. It's a great place to study and live, I'm sure you'll love it. Hopefully it will give you a healthy sense of reality and maturity so you can come back and make a positive contribution to the exciting development and progress Qatar is witnessing.

i like the way ur curious in all, but wearing a veil makes u invisible, well likely to, and why i took it off, because i couldn't stop tripping over mom!!

i wore it so that my friends (the 1s i hate) don't recognize me..

and qatari men won't stop staring at women when their scarf's r just on..aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.....it's so annoying!!!!!!!

it was comfortable becasue all women were doing it.

what i want to know is if you ever felt like removing the veil or the hijab when you saw someone not wearing it.

like you see a woman with lovely hair and nice hairdo and you get this split second feeling "if i could remove my veil/hijab"

do you get what i am asking?

was there a longing to do otherwise? leave aside the disrespect and discomfort.i am asking a personal state of acceptance.

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I understand where you’re coming from as I have had the same experience, but would never say I felt comfortable covering up....Why should I have to cover up because men can't contain themselves? It comes down to an abnormal society where woman can’t walk around without getting harassed, because the people are not used to interaction with other's of the opposite sex!

bloody?:)

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Pure and bloody simple

many point is here :

1.the veil in islam : my limited knowledge says the opinions about it are vary. the majoraty of Scholar of Islamic Jurisprudence says it is NOT essential in islam it is not a must it is not obligatory. and the others says is better to put it . and some says it is a must it is an obligatory..and each of these groups has the evidence which it concluded from Quran and SUNNA(The body of the Prophet Mohammed's words, deeds, and confirmations). cause this matter is not mentioned directly in quran or in SUNNA..

For my opinoion i beleive that no need to put veil i'm with who said that the veil is not obligatory is not a must becuase many reasons the live be more easily and no need to complicate the things..

2. the veil is a cutlture u have to respect it, but the question is all good ladies respect the veil they put on ? or each body put on the veil is good ? the answer is simply No .

about the hate in that women' face, look its just behavoirs . u may accept thing i don't accept ,, u may envy ur freind because he has a luxury car while u don't .. about envy ... alot to talk ... so i think u have just to know the first point very well..

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Yeah that makes sense I guess. Thanks han :-)

veil is a choice with most women and most of them have started understanding thats its not a religious obligation so they usually observe the viel wherever they feel appropriate like crowded places,public establishments where there will be more of the male folks to interact with, else they observe the hijab mostly. this is my take on it.

lets hear hayoonah.

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Hmmm...I just thought of a question too, what made u take the veil off ? If it's too personal I understand :-)

hi dear,

i want to ask you a few questions to get your perspective on this issue of viel?

you mentioned that you used to wear the veil before, have you stopped now?

what does it feel like to wear a viel?

do you ever feel like to remove hijab completely, just because other girls your age dont do it?

leaving religion apart, is hijab a way of life for you, if you had the choice again (without religious obligation) would you still observe hijab?

with the veil on, are you apporoachable, by women to communicate?

When i meet a woman with a veil, i am not sure if she is gauging me by her standard of religious belief and i am not sure if she will be kind or considerate to what I have to say or ask? ofcourse i have met some very kind women in shopping malls and offices who have been very good.but.......

oh if you dont feel comfortable answering them here, please PM me, I would really like to hear your views.

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i liked the last part of your post.LOL

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Well i used to wear a veil,believe it or not, you'd feel as if u can do anything!

The reasons i've read just now are probably all right...mainly they don't want anyone to see them and to grabattention..and yeah, probably laz 4 wearing make-up!!

u make me laugh GYPSY!!!

Ok so by "veil" ur meaning the entire face covering right ? Well I know for a fact that it's not a religious compulsion, so I guess it must be for cultural reasons. Maybe to avoid unwanted attention, maybe to protect themselves from pervs, or maybe because some were forced to. But honestly don't u have anything better to do than to look at how women are looking at other women ?

is it such a big deal hitting the curb in the parking lot?

i have seen men without any sort of blinds/veils, do the same.its not limited to qataris only. so many do the same, its just misjudgement, as long as nobody gets hurt.

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i have nothing against the veil but do agree that it is dangerous to drive with ur eyes covered.i am sure they can uncover their eyes and just wear the niqab(nose and rest of the face covered in addition to hijab), atleast while they are driving so as not to put our as well as their lives in danger.

I'd like to clarify,the veil is not a cultural but a religious requirement.it is not a compulsion but hijab ie head covering is.

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Many do it because they feel it offers a them protection and makes them less of a sex object. Others do it to go and meet their boyfriends in public places and nobody knows who they are, Others because husbands or fathers force it on them. Some because they are too lazy to put on makeup.

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i agree with the bad hair days and no makeup, very convenient.

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you are making way too many assumptions in your post about the veil, esp the envy part, and not being able to see clearly. you sure its envy and not disgust.your post is actually funny.

for your information, majority of the women who wear the viel these days do it out of their own choice and not as a compulsion from anybody.they do it as a part of their religious belief and are happy about it, although religion is not strict/specific about veils.please note that veil is different from hijab.

dont get too confused...relax, its too hot anyway.

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It´s part of the culture and it has religious connotations. I´m not an expert since I have never worn one, but some benefits might include: a sense of belonging to the local culture, a sense of belonging to the local religion, no need to apply make up if you are having a bad-face morning, no need to fix your hair if you are having a bad hair day, you get to walk "incognito" around the malls (and jumping the queus too!), less unwanted male attention, and so on.

Wearing a Veil is some women personal choice and it must be respected. And I don´t think they hate wearing it, I think you got the wrong impression.

If you have a problem with women wearing veil, I suggest you might be in the wrong country

How does this affect you in any way? Accept it and perhaps your life will be the fuller for it. You are very astute to note the expression of envy behind a veiled woman's eyes, by the way...