I was stopped for skirt too short!
So, after nearly four years in Qatar, it finally happened: I was stopped in Villagio by a veiled woman and told off for being 'inappropriately dressed'
Now, to clarify: it was a friday afternoon and I was on my way to lunch with a friend. I was wearing a sundress that covered my knees, with a sweater covering my shoulders. It was NOT tight, or low cut, or anything like that. YES I'm tall and rather. . . agressively pale, but still! Knees covered, shoulders covered, all the bases are covered, right? I try to be culturally sensative (comment deleted by mod) always?
Apparently. SO I'm wondering, what exactly did this woman want? She was walking with her kids and she grabbed my arm and aggressively told me that my skirt was 'not allowed'. What was her point? If she had been brandishing a pair of leggings ok, fine, but was she just telling me off for fun? How should I react to this stuff (I just indicated my sweater and disengaged from her, leaving her huffing and shouting Haram-- I'm not kidding- at my back).
And what's going on people-- (comment deleted by mod)I've worn that dress a lot and never had a problem, so what's changed?
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lol .. i need to count each n everthg alien .. wat to do tats my profession ;)
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he is alien so unlimited breaks
looollll
after lunch break now pee pee break n later may b poo poo break ;)
PEE... PEE Break
305 comments ! well done baburao well done
oouffff.... THREAD
Yep alien thats the plan will see u there are u coming +1??
All he knows is that i am an ALIEN THATS EATS PAV BHAJI...
Alien... i think BG is talking about you .. LOL :P
just a random guess :D
Hey Smokes how do I confirm I thought i should Just head down to doha rocks and hand you the cash thats all...
Say please
i want chikni chameli :(
i want pan cakes
Allien...did you confirm on that coffee thread??
demi more.... ohhhhhhh!!
Hey i got an Idea Why dosent QWERTYNESS Try out hot Pav BHAJI and Move aroung in Villageo Mall Normally... LOL She'd be Running...
with that lipstick on you look like Demi Moore :P
So from a monkey i turn to a demi-God time for party i got a promotion
No, just stating a fact about someone who clearly has a problem with being human and believes he is a demi-God.
No, just stating a fact about someone who clearly has a problem with being human and believes he is a demi-God.
alien ..you mean hot like smoke and me ? :P
Pav Bhaji is Spicy Smoking hot!!!!!!!!!!
?...
smoky so ur wagging tail is back
Amazing fact of the day Korly still wants to discuss the topic hahahahaha :P
and u think she dint , ( coz u think ) so m i not allowed to think oh dear !
I fail to see where she did not respect the culture.
Its only because you seem to think she didn't!
metoyou..im sorry maybe you got me wrong... i said we are "saving" the day not "making " it .. :P
btw .. when you gonna get out of that water.. makes me wet when i see your display picture :P
u respect the culture neither the rant neither the forums go messy
hahahhahaa... you made my day guys following your thread making people crazy! :D
korly i wld have answered u but i dont wana jumpstart the forum again but ur welcome next time
I am sorry about your experience.
Its also sad that alot of the posters here, even after your explanation of what you were wearing still feel the need to judge you and your manner of dressing.
You were dressed appropriately from what i can tell and no-one has the right to tell you otherwise.
Move on from this and gain some confidence, that the next time it happens, you break the woman's fingers!!!
OH i miss that cartoon mighty mouse...sweet memories :)
LOL... Oh come on now Smoke..what i meant was he had Pav Bhaji.. damn im getting old...
Dont worry, Korly ... mighty cat is here now to save the day.. :P
its better to stick on pav bhajii rather than OP...lols
Korly dont worry about the monkey, he'll be put in his cage soon :)
Mr Baburao-Ganpatr
I am curious? Who died and made you Judge and Jury of the human race?
You must be one of the most insufferable people ever to post on QL.
I feel pity for you - it would seem like you have no friends in the real world (it doesn't surprise me with your attitude) that you spend all your time on QL being rude, insubordinate and trying to force your own opinions onto others while people are trying to have a reasonable discussion - which from what I have noticed always ends up being a race/religion bashing, the minute you get involved.
Carry on posting and be the vile dispicable person you are - its pitying that people like you exist in the world!
he ate babaji's foot? we should not be discussing foot fetish like this in the open :P
ROFL@ babuchow gaandueh
Oh Look who's where.. My smoke BUDDDDDDYYY !!!.. where have you been???
NEW is ... Alien just had Pav babaji ki ..today :P
Aww man i've been there done that...however enjoy your new found freedom to come home whenever u like :P
Oh i am fine smoke just leeping busy at work and home.Dad and MUM left for Good so hard time.
till the time u dont wipe that lipstick off ur monkey face its very hard for me not to get attracted to you :(
smoke smoke my wild cat till when will u follow me
alien .. 3hrs for lunch... tat too u ate only pav bhaji :(
looooooools... exactly
This Topic was Hijacked Long time Ago... Even Qwertyness has left this Thread.
look look who has disappeared
the topic is abt dress code and not food...:))
lools for your lungi :)))
Allien.. REALLY??
Did not Understand Captain we can eat anything but i prefer eating Veg on such Ocassions. Out of personal Devotion.
Oh i know ... Shiv Rarti...that what you eat on Pav Bhaji Day...right?
Oh Ya Captain i had from Safari Mall....
Rizks wakrah beach is very near i might jump there
I had Pav Bhaji For Lunch... Today is Shiv Ratri so Veg Food Today.
Alien.. you eat a lot !!!
took you 3 hours for lunch.... Gosh!!!
Which farm did chose today for lunch? :P
Get a Life man, or go n jump in a well which is filled with Hungry and horny crocodiles....:)
any more to add blame all the oops one u can know more very soon
no need to edit my dear monkey, we know who you are ?
Hajmol aka Baazigar aka Surinder raj aka Baburao aka LOOSER....
turbohampster if the lady is very well an atheist like u
And i am back from Lunch People
So I am locked out of a conversation because I am an atheist?
So much for respecting other people's beliefs! haha
There is obviously no reasoning with you my friend! Why not just stick to the subject which is not RELIGION!
Its what is acceptable dress in public in QATAR! To quote the Marhaba "girls should dress modestly, cover shoulders avoid low cut tops & wear skirts below the knee"
This is what the Qwertyness did so what is the problem??
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Still talking abt religious dress code male or female so u want OP and teacher to follow there religion when you don't follow yours?
:)
......
Brit..they once shouted at me coz i was wearing lungi...they shouted so loud ..that it flew away..:(
Missteacher even in humor Babu dint insult any holy book
great, the brat knows very well who is the 'irritating brat'...lol
i know britey...:( and i shouted back " Mind ur effin bussiness".....:)
rizk ql forums r not ur private property keep off
welcome max u sound interesting while diverting the topic
,the topic is on ladies dress code as for men we can discuss after we r done with this forum
Remember the time on the Corniche when you got shouted at for wearing the mini Lungi ?
not only lock this thread flor padre, but need to BAN some really irritating brats too ! :(
Do you have beard? Do you wear your trouser above your ankles? I know a lot of Muslim who don't do that
turhob ur disqualified of this conversation (atheist r blacklisted )as u dont believe in god neither shld u believe or participate in such conversations
hahahaha I agree @turbohampster...that is just wrong!! bleugh! :)
thread!
Sure as I said I don't believe in God
I think people should wear what they WANT! Be it a Niqab, Burqa or Bikini you should be free to choose what you want.
The only thing that is Haram in my religion is men in speedo's!
and your quoting the Bible to me why???
Im not disrespecting any holy book....I made a spelling error....
Oh what a sin I have committed!
dear o dear!
leaving aside a special religion called atheism
Qatar does not but every religion has its own dress code for its followers
turbohampster ok lets leave teacher aside, can u tell us dress code as per ur religion
Here goes the copy paste session.....:(
Islam doesn't have dress code for non Muslim women so in Qatar it's more of culture think and most of abayas I see womens wearing around is not even as per Islam
No sorry Pappu I dont agree with you..
I agree with the Monkeys right to his beliefs and his opinion. But he is trying to force his views on to other people that is a completely different!
And for Monkey
What does it matter what the bible says for dress code?
How do you know Miss Teacher is Christian? Maybe she is Buddhist, Hindu or follows one of the other 1000's of religions man has followed in our time on earth
Or maybe like me doesn't believe in religion? Most people from europe don't
This was a question about what is acceptable to wear in QATAR!!
How does that have anything to do with the bible?? As far as I know there is no dress code
a
hang on miss here i come
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world –– the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life –– is not of the Father but is of the world.
Gal. 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
CONSIDER 1 Peter 3:3~4 A Christian should wear what is appropriate and stylish for any given occasion, with proper modesty; God will look on the heart of such a woman with approval.
1 Tim. 2:9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works
Missteacher its Quran and not Qaran !
thank you
The Bible says that a woman's hair is her veil.
Do you not have access to a bible?
Anyway ....why are you asking me about the bible? Do you want to know what does the Torah says too?
More importantly...what 'I' say about woman's dress code is that you should wear what you feel comfortable in and respect other people choice of dress code.
simple.
@ fea_sad...read past comments and get a sense of humour.
(Mod comment : are you deliberately misspelling the word Quran, to incite a strong reaction? Please check your posts)
as far as u know ever read bible , first read
Strange, some people come here for asking about some religious info. like this :-
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/2081973
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/2606996
....rather then people commenting or helping on those threads- they come here or on similar threads and start vomting Venom...:(
Such people should be ashmed of themselves.
i agree with pappu .. respect other in order to earn the same respect.
@ Miss teacher .. Its QURAN
if i wanted backup i wld have done on the 1st page itself now pls enlighten on the dress code as quoted in bible and do the women (as well miss miss teacher ) follow it
Lol@show ur real identites
turbo exactly thank u
Missteacher what does bible say abt dress code for women
only one monkey can understand another monkey thanks rizks
Respect and Forcing someone to respects are 2 different things.
Wat tat monkey is doing is the 2nd one.
sorry to interrupt but tell me one thing.. as per ur statment "So learn to respect others point of views before you start your ranting on every thread"
so here Baburao is the other person for u and his point of views are to be respected by u also...
am i right
well said @Turbohamster!!!
Finally some words of wisdom!!
Just ignore the monkey, he comes out with some rubbish on here!
Baburao-Ganpatr: why do you always want to know everyones religion? Does it make a difference in the way you treat people?
Well personally I don't believe in God but that's my own opinion. But then I respect everyones right to their own beliefs
Would you be happy if I tried to force my views on you! I highly doubt it!!!
So learn to respect others point of views before you start your ranting on every thread
all the people who feel they are correct and are Crticizing, kindly do that with ur real identities
but u said ur out of here what brings u back highness
teachers have started to lie also ? god bless the future of students
Thats a bit harsh about the arab girls :S @shaanz
yip I'm back....this is what boredom does do you! lol
you can go ahead no one will wait for u
i m now on 467 points
Seems like u r just arguing for the sake of it without any point
babu the rao is never frustrated but seems u always wanted to have an arab gf
Greetings of Peace and Prosperity to All!
babura-ganpatr.....dnt close ur eyes nw 'n say its night nw. hahahahahahahahaaa, dnt wori, truth is always bitter. btw, u comes under that category? coz i can see ur soo frustrated!
shaanz do u travel with them on their flight personal bodyguard ha !
and shaanz says :their whole body parts are visible and free-show
who forced to see the free show do u peep in their bed rooms ?Allah shld 4give u first for doing all this evil
Is it acceptable other than in Islam for a man to talk speak or interact with a woman u r not related too?
Is it acceptable in Islam for a man to talk speak or interact with a woman u r not related too?
that's like a decent captain
Miss teacher...as i said earlier..you haven't read the original post before it was modified ..she DID mention about any new laws in the country....
Oh..and i am so sorry to disappoint you ... i am decent with decent people ONLY .. :)
Okay...now its just turning into complete nonsense!
Im outta here!!
Good luck in future Qwertyness!
Did you check if your skirt was not teared from the back??? And what color was it? Don't tell me transparent (colorless) :)
Lost_Captain this is what you said....
"Missteacher... Well as far as i understood, she wanted to know if there are new laws introduced in the country and the topic is related to the country and its culture more.. and yeah religiously nobody is allowed to shout "Haram" at anyone and especially at a Non-Muslim"
This is what I replied.....
Captain_Lost....she doesn't mention the word law once. She is simply horrified at how she has been treated by this person due to this person's religious beliefs.
What she asks is what has changed? as she has wore this dress/skirt before on other occasions and no one has had a problem.
Again...I think its just down to respect, which she has definitely shown if her descriptions of the dress/skirt are accurate, which I'm sure they are.
MT
So why am now related to BG?
VERY confused...
There was me thinking that I was speaking to a decent, intellectual person.... :S
there is a law on drinking and driving did ppl follow ?
The first page of todays GT speaks a complete different story as far as dressing of women goes in here..would love to hear people jumping around and about the law and blah blah though not being from this country whereas a countrymen appears and puts the facts as they are more importantly "There is no enforced dress code or law that legalize her aggressive act".
why u people are making so much fuss abt this .. Qwertyness has already got her answer
Missteacher... are you some how related to BG?? LOL
So you obviously haven't the original post before it was modified by Mods...
CL u said the lady shouted HARAM what if she politely said in a soft tone this is Haram
i think this is not a disco...n ur into lunch...u can wear casual dress no 1 will stop u....in skirt if some1 tease u then u will blame him so plz its an muslim country not an ????? so don wear its better...Beware of Guys....
some idiots wants to prove to the world that they are real idiots - CL ! :(
Captain_Lost....she doesn't mention the word law once. She is simply horrified at how she has been treated by this person due to this person's religious beliefs.
What she asks is what has changed? as she has wore this dress/skirt before on other occasions and no one has had a problem.
Again...I think its just down to respect, which she has definitely shown if her descriptions of the dress/skirt are accurate, which I'm sure they are.
BG... STFU !! What are you ?? Scotlandyard or something?? asking for evidence?? what next you'll tell OP to post a video footage of the scene?? :P
there is no evidence if she shouted or politely said Haram
Missteacher... Well as far as i understood, she wanted to know if there are new laws introduced in the country and the topic is related to the country and its culture more.. and yeah religiously nobody is allowed to shout "Haram" at anyone and especially at a Non-Muslim
i hope not to see any skirts on lunch break they make so much mess u see its turn 2 pages now
LUNCH BREAK....
Rizks Shut up lol:) I want to see 500+ Comments. Actually you know what dont shut up in that way i can see many Comments.
who is feeding u anyways or u want the free banana the one alien is offering
told you before and AGAIN, dont feed the TROLLS !
Captain_Lost.....I will ask them for sure.
However, how can this not be a religious thread if the subject is about what we can not wear due to religion??
Just saying.
No this is BG'S Work ...... BG Go on you have my permission. I will buy you a Banana.
CL i have but a skirt wont fit me hehehe
BG... dont you have work or something really useful to do?? :P
But ur threads are amusing
Thanks BG....I just love to learn. Love the name change ;) Has anyone told you just how witty you are..wow :)
Just because you want to know so much...I am not going to to tell you BG
Good Day!
CL its usless providing quotes to ppl who cant follow their own religion and violate the dress codes just to wear a skirt
NO NO Captain feed the monkey....... Please i want to see 500+ Comments.
Missteacher ...i wont quote you any verse here from Quran or Bible... this is not a religious discussion... You can ask your Muslim friends .. :)
I think this discussion is getting useless .. OP already got her answer that it had nothing to do with any Law but was just rude behavior shown by a local.. as it could happen in any other country...
yeah and i provoke women to wear skirts and go to malls n then RANT ON QL
max i will tell her again its Quran Quran Quran let me see what happens
misscheater pls enlighten us what ur religion says on dress code for women
tats what he usually do, provoke in each thread and at the end the religious bashings Start ! :(
if this continues, i am sure this thread will soon R.I.P
Very much appreciated @Max1986
Oh telling a woman what to do!
Now where does that sound familiar???
Haha! yeah how did you know??
Still waiting on my reference btw ;)
stop ranting now go read what ur religions says abt dressing learn , revise a couple of times and if possible follow
what do u teach by the way to wear skirts
aww you provide some giggles BG
Okay al quit after my holidays...can you write my reference??
first of all quit ur profession as u dont deserve a teacher as u proved here ( Qaran Qaran Qaran). u need to follow ur own religion first which u dont want to or r u shy abt it ?
n after making fun by saying Qaran u want ppl to respect u - u dont deserve a bit of respect here
Actually she should not have spoken to you because she does not have the right but she should have spoken to the mall management.
Some people are brain washed and me as a Muslim against those who says TV is Haram "Forbidden" TV is like a book if you buy a good book you benifit yourself and you buy a bad book you harm your self by wasting your time on somethig not useful.
People must be open minded and apply live and let live.
The advice will be most accepted if it comes in a very gentle way.
See even some westerns have a view of what is good dress and what is not and I do not want to speak about what is this view because it was discussed to death here in QL.
hahaha!!
Teachers dont make mistakes....that is brilliant.
I must quote this at the next staff meeting, this will give a good laugh.
So then you are saying teacher's are not human beings? aww brilliant!
"Mistakes are the bridges to learning"
I don't think its haram to look at other bodies at first glance actually it depends on a person intentions u can't force everybody in the world to dress as per Islamic dress code
Oh im glad to fuel your amusement again Baburao-Ganpatr...(deleted by mod. Refrain from antagonizing).
Now back to the point....why does it matter what religion I follow? Frankly it is none of your business. I am talking about people not respecting each other...not their religion.
End of the day....I respect any person if they are good people regardless of their religion. If you want to wear the abaya, niqab or hijab..no problem. Problem arises when people do not respect me.
yeah and it applies for the so called Teachers too
really wonder what's the fuzz about. It's not about "really" whether it's long or short but the totality as it is seen by others. And as the saying goes, you can not please everybody, there will always someone who will see it differently and that's what happened to the OP.
Definitely NO HARM if we stay on the safe side. Dress moderately in public.
hehe :D
please quote me from the Qaran where it is Haram
Oh dear! The Quran...do apologise
i already said above its "Quran" teachers dont make mistake therefore quit ur profession
miss teacher first u need to tell what u follow before pinpointing at others do u dress as per as ur religion
No I do not follow the Bible....
Captian Lost, does it? This is why I asked the question....please quote me from the Qaran where it is Haram for another person to see another persons body. I am very interested in what exactly each of the books teaches it's followers.
Oh dear! The Quran...do apologise! & I call myself a teacher! :P
Can anyone here please post a picture of how should a woman dress and what is the appropriate length of dress or skirts we should wear? So everyone of us will judge others too if we see them that it's not acceptable to the country. :) I'm serious. Sometimes it happends that we think it is acceptable for us the way we dress but in the others eyes it's not.. So, we need a specific order or visual example...
pl. take it easy and follow the local rules.
Smokey, You told it. Let us see the culprit, the skirt and scrutinize it to make sure. OP can bring the skirt and show it to the QL members who will be attending the BBQ with smokey.
how did they don't allow it ... skirt covered your knees then whts the problem ... how can they fire you up
Well said and very true!!
n a small correction its " Quran "
Missteacher... "Does it say in the Qaran that it is haram to see other people's bodies??? ... YES, IT DOES :)
Missteacher do u follow bible ? just a question
I think even the sports people here respect the country's culture that they came to the World class players came to the field to play fully covered over their short and sleeveless t shirt,and just before starting the game, they removed the outer track suit and played in their Tennis short skirt and Victoria played with a 3/4th sleeved tshirt her finals .
I clearly felt that she respected the Nation though first i thought that she was feeling cold.
I was in Singapore earlier and an old chinese man commented on a girl wearing v. small shorts that police must arrest her! she is wearing such a small shorts!
Well Pl . take it as country culture and respect the same. I was also told before I came here that we should wear full length pants or skirts and cover arms. But I found so many not following the same and was happy in a way that there is no such restriction.
So take it easy and move on!
When we are in Rome, be a Raoman!
I understand your annoyance Qwertyness it has not happened to me ....yet.
I have lots of Muslim friends with realistic views on people and religion. One of my friends wears the abaya, niqab and hijab but I sit with her and her family in my 'western culture' clothes. She wears what she wants to wear and I wear what I want. This is how it should be!
Now of course when I am out and about in Villagio for examble I cover my knees and shoulders like you did this day. I would be the exact same as you if anyone dared to touch me, never mind aggressively, and try to shout haram in my face!
Yes it is haram to dress in a "western way" for MUSLIMS....I am not and you are not muslim! so it is therefore not haram for us. Does it say in the Qaran that it is haram to see other people's bodies???
Now if a woman walked along villagio with a bikini on or a crop top and mini skirt...thats different story and it wouldnt just be Muslims that have a problem with that. However, no one in their right mind would go up to that individual and grab her and say THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE!!! as she would probably punch that person and quite right if she did!!!
I think it would be better if you post your picture wearing that dress.
there are so many psychos in the world..
I remember once in Toronto in the subway, one dark-skinned guy attracted my attention by acting rather weird and restless. In few minutes he ended up by attacking one white man, who was sitting beside him and quietly reading a newspaper..the dark-skinned guy started yelling at him, that he is a racist and that all white people are racists... Maybe this dark-skinned has been psychologically traumatized by some white-skinned jerk, or he is just mentally sick in general.. who knows.. May be this lady's husband is cheating on her with western girl, so she is obviously mad at all western girls.. You cannot control mentally unstable people..just ignore it..
Nationals of a country have the power to rule, Whatever the matter is, Its the same what is happening around the globe. But only in very few occasions where this rules turn against interest of common public.
We are in an Islamic country, you've been here not to keep them rich but to make money for you. I felt sure you would want to know you're just giggling towards a woman, one who like to keep her country's culture and modesty.
Cheers !!
Ignore that women, probably she was just frustrated.
oh dear ! did the skirt blow away due to the wind
hey thanks all who were supportive! Fatima et al, well said!
Like I said, if Qatar is going to officialy say that, like Saudi, all women must cover completely at all times in public FINE. That is their right as a country. HOWEVER, until this is law and well published, I just do not understand how people can say it is alright to be rude to others, just because we do not agree with their dress. ESPECIALLY when, like most expats here, they are trying their best. I don't know many expats who conciously try to annoy locals with their dress: most are doing their best to be modest and covered. Why isn't that intention enough, even if they miss by an inch or two?
in the Law books it is clearly mentioned with Bold letters that "Ladies should not wear short skirts when there is too much wind blowing"....:)
GO wear your pants .. its winter and windy anyway ...
If they're going to ban the skirts and dresses, they should have start implementing it from the one who's selling these kind of stuffs. Why on earth most of the shops here in Doha were offering a wide range of skirts and dresses? Is there anyone out there who can clarify the logic about this?
Man if they ban skirts that will be the last straw..i will pack up and leave Qatar...dont take away my freedom to admire some sexy legs PLEASE!!!!
Fine! Ban skirts or dresses. Just don't tell me it's OK to wear a skirt below my knees and then ding me for it. And the niqab is NOT banned in the US. If anyone tries it, I will be the first to get arrested protesting for a woman's right to wear one!
Mandi
My call: The incident never happened....
whats a big deal?? you are not living in non Islamic country ok? you should respect one's religion. if u people can ban burqa in your countries we also have complete right to ban skirt or such dresses.
What description you gave about your dress might be modest in your native, not in Qatar. I can see now Qatar has changed a lot. I can see more women wearing short skirts and more revealing dresses. But things are going beyond. So better all who wear short skirts and lowhip stuffs better please try to accommodation the local customs in your dressing sense. First of all you should respect the local custom and religious belief and law of the local people. Though I am also an expat, I always make sure that I wear dress almost what is expected from the locals (Not my native locals). Not to hurt anyone's feelings. Check youtube and other video websites where you can find lot of videos which puts women in embarassing situation when strong wind blows. Lets co-operate
Thanks (Not to hurt anyone, sorry if it hurts)
How about a G-string?
I'm sorry you have to experience this ! Even if she found your dress offensive , she should have complained to the mall management . She has no right to assault you!
There is no enforced dress code or law that legalize her aggressive act.
Is Qatar changing?
As been summarized in a recent article;
"Though led by a modernizing ruling family, most Qataris are conservative Muslims who practice Wahhabism, an austere form of Islam. Social change that accompanies breakneck expansion is unlikely to sit well with all.
“Qatar is led by a relatively progressive elite that nonetheless has to be mindful of religious or culturally conservative forces within the country. It’s a question of two steps forward, one step back,”
“It’s not easy to be an absolute monarch in this part of the world. Taking everyone with you is going to be hard.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/16/194999.html
See this is the problem.. we always hear that we should respect local culture. Well from the sounds of it she was!
She wore a skirt which covered her knees and had her shoulders covered!
If all women are supposed to be completely covered then why doesn't the government enforce this and let everyone know??????
With regard to respecting local culture why do some muslim women still completely cover their face in public when in western countries (though not required in Islam) even though this is offensive and scary to most western people?
It's a bit hypocritical if you ask me!
I have seen women of various nationalities exposing far far more than what the OP says she did, and never getting any flak..Perhaps the lady was just in a bad bad mood. Or maybe it was one of those "straw that broke the camels back" moment. She was prolly just cheesed off with all those ladies who she felt wasn't respecting the culture hence chose you of all the people to vent. Either ways I do feel ya on how annoyed you must have gotten. I know PERSONALLY how that feels. Just take comfort in the fact that in all these four years it just happened to you once.And that the woman didn't turn out to be too abusive..and kudos to you for being patient and dignified in how you reacted.
And PS as a Muslimah I never feel it's right and just to tell a non Muslim how he/she must dress. Provided they are not breaking any laws they have all the right to dress as they wish,period!And even if it's a fellow Muslim, then I will only convey to them what Islam says, in case they are unaware, and then leave them to decide what to do.
I remember discussing this at the Falcon Club Committee meeting with Ahmed Hassan Bilal when I was Treasurer. I seem to recollect that we decided to ignore the complaints.
If he objected to naked men in the showers then he shouldn't have gone into them (the showers before you ask).
I agree that Qatar can be called a county but it appears that it wants to be called the "State of Qatar".
Check out the Ministry web sites and they refer to the State of Qatar, as also does by its name, the State Audit Bureau.
The national anthem is also described on government websites as "The National Anthem of the State of Qatar".
This probably stems from when Qatar was originally to be one of the British governed Trucial States in 1916. However, because Qatar couldn't agree to the terms it became a British protectorate. That 1916 treaty was renewed in 1934 and continued until Qatar achieved independence in 1971.
Just a thought.
@ Zilo_Guy10: Well just to correct you Qatar is not an Islamic state, ask a scholar he'll explain you.
Qatar is a Muslim state. If it was an Islamic state then you wont see difference between Qatari's and non-Qatari's. Equality for all. No difference between rich and poor. No priorities for Qatari's only in jobs and other. Money from resources not distributed between Richest only. As an example Hazrat Umar's (Raziallaho'anh) time
This is just my opinion.
Dweller, think about it...very practical to do this, you get your clothes washed at the same time! :P
I remember a colleague being warned for inappropriate dress on the Cornich many years ago. He was jogging and was warned for wearing shorts (Shorts down to his knees).
Even more peculiar was a religious person who complained that men were walking around in the showers at the QP Falcon Club naked!
Maybe some folks take a shower dressed!
Freeze Everyone! We have found the culprit!
Ok Qwerty lets see your skirty, your legs have the right to remain waxed, if they are not waxed, Captain Lost will provide you with the wax. You have the right to photoshop, I would suggest you give up those rights and post a picture anyways so Sherlock Smoke has a better idea of the problem.
There is always a First Time!!!
Well, to the OP...it happens to us ladies (who lives in Qatar) once in a while.
My experience is when I went to the beauty shop on the 2nd floor of LULU Hypermarket to have my eyebrows done.
I was wearing loose shirt and a-line skirt (an inch above my knee) and a lady wearing an abaya, sitting in the next chair nudged me and pointed my skirt.
I just looked at her straight face and said, "anta fi mushkila?" (do you have a problem?) I the added, ana mafi sharmuta, mafi kadama...wa anta? (I'm not a prostitute, I'm not a maid?...how about you?)
I didn't mean to be sarcastic or antagonistic...but I am minding my own business, I dress modestly and confortably...what's the big deal?
My opinion....
@ Zong: Just to correct you Qatar is not a "muslim state" but it is an "Islamic Country".
It's not just in the West! Have you ever seen a Qatar Airways flight attendant with an abaya or even a headscarf? Or a male flight attendant with a beard? Some businesses just have a dress code.
Mandi
Agree with "Baburao-Ganpatr" and "Legend525"
Where ever you live respect their culture. If you talk about alcohol and pork in private places, well those are private not in public. there is no such measurements of "modesty" in "inches"
Qatar is a muslim state with a strong culture a Muslim culture which means be modest, stay in limits. Though a lot of people are spoiling it thats why now you see short revealing clothes in public.
If you try to cross limits ofcoarse you will get bothered by people whos conscious is still alive.
You guys might have no idea what muslims go through in some western countries if they want to stay modest. Some dont even get job because of having beard or weaing abaya (head covered, face not covered) though they have the required experience + qualification.
What happened with QWERTY is one rare incident. Still it should be considered.
Picture of the skirt or it didn't happen :D
yes
Are trools trolls that drool? Somebody mentioned trools on a previous post - and actually, it sort of adds to my mental picture of what trolls look like ;-)
I think Qwerty encountered the wrong person on the wrong day - same as we do in other interactions (on the road, at work, even at home). It is disconcerting to be called out in public but it sounds like Qwerty handled it well by disengaging from the situation. The fact that it was a Friday may have had some impact.
Having said that, I saw a few women at City Centre today who should have been called out on their dress - why oh why isn't there an age and weight limit on spandex everywhere in the world? And don't get me started on men in speedos EEEYUUHHHk
order order !
This is nothing but just frustration from locals as they are now totally familiar that their government is failed to implement something which was partially announced or shouted .No body has right to act that fool , its haram for them not for others and this has to happen because their are multicultural existence of residents.After all they came with the approval of Qatari government and are issued freedoms and security to live as they like.There is no ban or restriction here in Doha, its all paper work and formalities and locals here understand very well that they have to care themselves and not to interfere unless anything critical or harmful nothing in personal but in big margin otherwise all cool and peace.
take her to court for assault.
@timebandit you want 2 see first trailer then comment lol......!
To the OP
If the modestly dressed woman is stopping you she must have a point. Best not to insult locals by wearing such clothing. She who said something is minority only in that she will stand up to such rude dress. Most other locals agree with her but are not saying anything.
All should take notice of this lady's experience.
Metoyou maybe but as per there rules and regulations notice they don't allow qataris and mini skirts
I cant comment without seeing a picture of you in the offending sundress. Please supply ;)
@Metoyou you are RIGHT
max not true.. saw girls wearing skirts already inside the clubs!
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Howcome they don't allow mini skirts in clubs anymore tho?
Ignore everyone :)
Nothing has change; this is just a psychological thinking. Islam things will never ever change. For your kind information the dress which you wear is prohibited in ISLAM & you force her to say about your action. So care full next time.
thumbs up for you max! Beware.. Crazy lady is out to explore from their caves :P hehehehe
adore did u see urself, the above story can as well be a nice cooked up one
same thing happened to me in Villagio and to think i was pregnant that time and should wear a dress but due to my bulging tummy my below-the-knee dress got a little above-the-knee and it was the first time a lady (im not sure if a local but wearing black and in veil) approached me and told me that she does not want her sosn to see women wearing such dresses as its haram for them and even told me that she will tell the gurads to reprimand me and such so just to make the conversation short i asked my husband to just leave the mall... im now thinking that the lady wo approached you could be teh same lady who got up to me a year ago =)
still we should respect their tradition/ culture, whattodoyani!
She clearly said that.she hasn't worn a mini.
whats so funny.
LOL Alien... and imagine i get high with that only :P
if there is no Law to not wear skirt or to wear then it is completely a rude behavior for those who are your guest here in qatar far from there home land, and there is always a way of communicating your point of you rather then imposing something. but anyways i consider this as a Rude behaviour of her to you fellow, try not to think muc on it and move on.............Cheers
adore n wat happen to those who agree they get free mini skirts HAHA :) thanks for this hilarious post i better leave now
Captain keep drinking your Karak Chai....
chill out and relax. to forget what has happened.no point of arguing with people who disagree with u.
Listen guys.. same goes for us too.. we cannot wear shorts above our knees in go to malls and public places and thing... but still we do ..i know i do (I dont think there is any law against it, but its not acceptable in this culture)
now if you expect every citizen to obey the all the laws or live 100% according to the culture...tht just cant happen .. everybody breaks a law once in a whlile
so qwertyness, just ignore it this time .... i know its not easy but just try to forget about it and take it easy..
btw ...interesting to know that u r single..lol :P
Ok time for me to go home from work.. See ya at the Coffee meet people @ Doha Rocks... atleast there dont make a scene, :)
Alien, you're right of course: like I said, they can't explain WHY they insist it had to be my fault, they just know it is.
Again, this is just one more example of reactionary cultural clenching: let's not actually look at why we believe or feel something, let's not think for a moment perhaps we're being unreasonable, let's just excuse all rude and inappropriate behaviour by a local as 'cultural', which expats must always accept without a peep, as we are, after all, lucky to be here.
Rolls eyes and beats head against desk
2nd hearing after qwertyness visits villagio in full skirts or pants till then Baburao's court is adjourned for the day ! Long Live the short mini skirts damn they coz so much of fuss :(
Anyways I think this thread has served it purpose I guess respect the culture and beware of crazy lady in villagio
um, no. Again, the skirt covered my knees: what, precisely, is wrong with shins?
Cmon, if you can demand women cover themselves completely you can at least explain WHY. WHat is so freaking tantalizing about shins and ankles?
you don't see women demanding men cover up their calves.
You know Qwertyness its no point ARGUING just find another source to blow up some steam. Here you try to state your point other people will Gang up against you. Its like feeding the trools.
now i confirm it was the skirts fault CASE CLOSED
felt sorry for what had happened...but "be a roman when u r in rome" .try to follow this.
and such things will not be repeated .
Dude, I'm single. But apparently my shins are driving local women to distraction (eyebrow raised)
And no, I haven't filed a complaint: it was a random woman in the mall and I disengaged as quickly as possible before she could declare a fatwa on my cotton dress from Marks and Spencer.
max i can answer this if i cld get to see that skirt J/K
Your beauty for your husband only, and not to show all the people or atleast respect the culture here in Qatar since it is an Islamic country.
Had qwerty filed a complaint with police whose behaviour would they have judged as inappropriate?
ROFL @ Deal with my shins people: DEAL WITH THEM!! :)
surprisingly this thread is getting funnier with every comment.. :P
Baburao, I am not Muslim. I am respectful of the local culture-- to a point. Why should I have to veil myself completely in order not to be abused in the city where I live, contributing to the economy and society?
Deal with my shins people: DEAL WITH THEM!! :)
now that was nice my previous comment
Baburao My friend dont be very defensive, the Lady is hurt. Say something nice.
try dressing up full next time meet the same lady if she behaves the same then she must be really rude
. . . or this lady was just rude and crazy and permissive attitudes like yours encourages bad behaviour under the guise of 'culture'
qwertyness sumwhere sumthing must have wrong
for cake u need to visit a Bakery
Baburo-- How can a skirt that covers my knees POSSIBLE be the problem?
What is wrong with shins???
ANd for the record: if someone had told me before moving here that I would be expected to wear floor length skirts or pants, cover my hair, cover my arms, etc at all times, I would have had to weigh that as part of my decision to move here. It's why LOADS of expats don't move to Saudi, no matter the salary or position offered.
Qatar bills itself as more tolerant, liberal and open than other countries in the region-- but lately has been treating expats like we're all degenerates. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
End of rant :P oof!
rudeness is not the problem , ur skirt might have been a problem
Frankly, the more I think about it, the more I think the real problem is with this lenient attitude to rudeness in the name of culture.
How come this lady thought it was perfectly all right to stop me and yell at me in public, as well as grab a strangers arm, but should I mention, for example, that her children were running wild and disturbing others (which they were btw while their mum was accosting strangers), I would be accused of being rude, told to leave the country if I couldn't tolerate the locals behaviour.
hmmmm when did rudeness become 'culture'?
i have never seen this happen with an Arab Lady.
yes right.. but im talking about here if its not available in the country so it means strictly not allowed. :D
plc respect the different cultures
metoyou ppl can still bring skirts from abroad right :(
Its alright ... since you are there.. i can always use your reference .. :)
there are really some locals who are very rude. Better also if they can post/ broadcast in the newspaper or television a picture of a dress code that is allowed length of dress that women can wear here in Qatar so no one will be in trouble. Or better also if they will stop the selling of skirts in the shops :P
qwertyness why cry over a spilled milk. forget it.
there is a shortcut i hold it with a Belt ard for support ;)
..lets see if they let you in with that attitude!You are not sarcastic, you are plain rude.
Mandi, ask Rizks.
monizag, she might have left the scene to avoid publicity and not because you called the security. Do you think that the security will be bold enough to go and talk to that lady? He will obviously lose his job.
Can you tell me how to tie a lungi? I've always wondered! So that it doesn't fall down, I mean.
Mandi
Mandi yup a rainbow colour lungi
Aloha ..im sorry that you didnt understand my sarcastic comment... what i really meant was ... WHO CARES WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN IN YOUR 'ADULT LIFE".. IF YOU MENTION "HELL"... NO BODY IS INTERESTED TO KNOW ... i hope im pretty clear this time.. so yeah, Bye ..see you in paris.. :P
Mandi ... Not in public (Blushing) ...respect the culture...LOL :P
Y did u expect how its going to be? You want ministry or Qatari embassy to give u dress code when u moved here? As I said it was one person and if ur dress was appropriate maybe she was rude jealous or crzy
BG, isn't that called a lungi?
Mandi
1. call a police on the spot to report an assault on you.
2. the moment someone holds you, forcefully or not, that constitutes ASSAULT.
a couple of years ago, a lady wearing abaya scolded me for taking pictures in a mall. she shouted 'haram' x 9999. i called out loud for a security guard immediately because she was a harassment to public. i insisted the guard to stay put while i continued calling the police. immediately, that lady left hurriedly.
The lady was just seeking someone to feel "holier-than-thou" about. Wish her a blessed day.
Mandi
Damn Captain ! I need a SKIRT right now (long one )
Maybe the lady was Jealous of you.As i guy i would make a quick glance and would have praised GOD'S Creation.
pass that (message) to qwertyness my skirts are all ankle length, so she wont need to encounter such problem again in future!
Thanks Mandi
That's my point! And that's actually why I'm upset about this one: I was respecting the 'muslim environment'. I wasn't prancing down the Corniche in a miniskirt and tube top. I was covered up more modestly than I would be back home and acting appropriately, and I was still yelled at-- which to me is the inappropriate behaviour, not my skirt.
Mmmmwah, Captain Lost!
Mandi
I have lived in an Orthodox Jewish community in New York (there are many.) Women cover their heads and wear skirts to their ankles, tops to their wrists and always socks. They eat halal foods as well. But I think the Jewish laws came first - historically speaking, of course.
Mandi
As a matter of fact I have, and have lived in many other countries over the course of my Adult life. The fact about France is nothing to do with Muslims/ its only to do with security reasons, where the improper use of the Burqa was allowing terrorist activities to flourish. I am sure all my Muslim friends will agree that such blatant disregard for the sanctity of the Burqa should not be tolerated.
Get a life Captain..Im done with this thread!
BG & Mandi..you guys are cute when fighting... keep it up.. im having fun here ..LOL :P
There is a Jewish community is New York that follows islamic laws and bans women pictures even in their newspaper. Women can only walk covered excluding the faces. You can search for it on CNN. I saw this couple of months back in their video section.
Most Muslims will find this rude if proper clothes are not worn in public.but most will ignore it that does not mean they like it. The place i live in has rules for women wearning swiming customes even though its very private club house. We need to respect the muslim enviroment.
In fact, (thank you for asking) my skirts are all ankle length.
Mandi
qwertyness, I dont think you have to be so furious on such a single incident. The country is more liberal than it was in the 80s or 90s.
but for sure when u wear short there will be "stares storm" HAHAHA
Mandilulur/qwertyness what will happen if u wear something longer , will earthquake occur will there be sand storm what will happen
There is no such ban like that in Qatar .. your knees, shoulders should be covered and thats it...The way you described yourself and your clothes shouldn't be criticized and you shouldn't have been stopped like that.. it has nothing to do with any law BUT .. you always have to consider Qatari Culture when you go out.. i mean you are not gonna get in any legal trouble coz of that but yeah, you might face more incidents like this one.
Aloha... you've been to france?? great!!! tell us all about it .. everyone is interested ...
Actually, we don't know if the woman who stopped Querty was Qatari. She may have been Saudi or Iranian or Yemeni.
Mandi
I thought I WAS following the rules, that's why I'm a bit shocked by this! The best advice I got upon moving here was to basically dress like it was 1957-- and yes, that means I do often judge a skirt's length by whether on not it's longer than my fingertips when I hold my hands at my sides :P
I'm just wondering if this has happened to anyone else? Qatar's goign through a bit of a conservative snap-- what with the rucus over the liquor on the pearl, pork in the QDC, etc. Have the rules changed and I didn't notice?
And for the record, I do not buy that 'this is their country take it or get out' bs for one second. I live here. I try to respect the culture and the religion but there has to be a line. Make the rules clear and I will then decide whether or not I'll bring my talent and expertise to your country, thanks. I did NOT sign on to be yelled at in public should I venture outside without a burka. What's wrong with meeting people in the middle? I had my shoulders covered, my knees covered-- can't locals meet me half way and allow me my bare shins?
Good One Baburao I liked it.
i wld rather show the OP, had problems not u HAHA
yes we must respect their culture and religion.. but they also must respect our culture and religion too.. We are not all Muslims.. Wearing a skirt will not inflict harm to others.
If u don't like restricted dress code u can always go back however its only one person maybe she was over religious or plain old crazy
Show me the rule that indicates how many inches below the knee a skirt must be and I will follow it!
Mandi
its abt following rules ,respecting the culture
BG, if you are bothered by the burqa ban (I am as well) then to be consistent you shouldn't like the "short skirt" ban either.
Mandi
i m least bothered abt france right now ur here respect the culture expose when u go back home
Sorry to hear about being accosted in such a rude manner. FYI Babu Rao, Qwerty is Canadian, not French and possibly has nothing to do with the Burqa Ban personally. And besides get your facts right. You ever been to France?
I agree with Baburao-Ganpatrao but here there are a lot of ladies (different Nationalities) wearing skirts above their knee level.
Oh, to BAN wearing a skirt is a big NO...As long as you are wearing the skirt in a modest way and you are acting accordingly, then, there will be no problem with that. I have seen a lot of people nowadays wearing skirt above the knee but nobody's approaching them not to wear such kind of stuff.
dont be so agressive, be calm,, it is just an unfortunate that happend on that specific day otherwise i have seen many with even short skirts well above the knees.
Nothing is gone a change
haram haram pls respect the culture if u can force burqa ban we have the complete right to ban the skirt
just ignore such people................YA.....
Agree with britexpat, just ignore such people..
Everyone has their own interpretation of appropriate. As you say, this is the first time in four years. This means that the majority agree with your dress sense. So ignore her.