Husband and wife declared siblings!!!WTH!
Sunday, January 31, 2010,14:30 [IST]
Rohtak (Haryana), Jan.31 (ANI): In a bizzare incident, a village council in Rohtak city of Haryana has nullified the marriage of a couple, who belonged to the same clan and declared the husband and wife to be brother and sister.
The incident occurred in Rohtak's Kheri village where Satish Berwal and Kavita Bainival, married each other three years ago. Today, they have a 10-month-old boy from this marriage.
The controversy picked up momentum a few days ago, when a group of villagers learnt that both belonged to the same clan. The matter was raised in the village council of Kheri village.
On Saturday (Jan.30), the village council in a special meeting declared the couple's marriage as null and void and declared that the couple would now have live as brother and sister in the village. However, the little boy would be able to avail the right of inheritance from Satish's property.
"We have nullified the relationship of the boy and the girl and declared them as brother and sister. Their son will be heir to the property of Satish Berwal," said Hawa Singh, president of the village council, Kheri village.
As per Hindu religion, marriage in the same clan is forbidden.
In general practice, the age-old custom is adhered to and any possibility of marrying in same clan is prevented during matrimonial alliance. However, in modern times, some of the youngsters find this old custom a matter of argument and wish it should have room for consideration and exception on the basis of individual case and circumstances. By Dhirender Kumar (ANI)
Source : http://news.oneindia.in/2010/01/31/husbandand-wife-of-same-clan-declared...
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When are they planning to tell me, when I die?
I mean this has to be the MOST RIDICULOUS THING I ever read and I have read some nonsense in my life so Straight Arrow take a bow sir.. You just set a benchmark.
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WK, may be you were but not been told yet..lol:-)
Indians let their new born babies marry a dog?????
Now that's news to me.. Why wasn't I married to a bytch :(
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WK I will not comment and waste time on the absurd . Go read comments and figure out.
when I said that some Indian families let their new born babies marry a dog.
Please ignore the above statement as it is part of some Indians beliefs and not related to the topic, and my appology to those who felt that I have insulted them.
lol how did religion come into this.. The community of which the news story is not very religious FYI...
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thanks for that,mate!cheers! \m/
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
SA she has simply put a news here which concerns her and is a burden on her sensibility . you on the other hand are trying to forward nationlistic agenda for India and are standing up in arms with juicy titbits and comments on religon and against everyone to show that India is not alone in this ........ well news flash most of the people are aware of it . No need for your pitiful renderings . Focus please ......
as far as i know,and this is not quoting from any web definition,a member had referred to them as tribals.in india,tribals refer to the people who live in the forests...the aborginals,you could say.whereas a clan referd to a set of people who have the same lineage.a group of tribals may belong to the same clan.that does not mean that every clan is a tribal.makes sense?
why do we have to bring Scotland into this?what does Scotland have to do with Rohtak? :-/
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
clan and tribe almost relates to the same meaning.
Jack you can trace the lineage of Arabs to a thousand yrs at least. Check out those with the prominent families. Most of the Arab tribes have their origins in Yemen.
Svelte you never hear about scottish tribes but clans and here you here about tribes not clans. Can you explain it
I think the guy from Yemen should have gotten a vasectomy. What's your point?
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Simple, this guy is an a**hole.
I remember an incident happened in UK when there was one guy from Yemen marrying many women and divorcing and having kids, and guess what?
Because they were so many he wanted to marry one girl and the girl told him I am your daughter !!
I think the man got shocked !! What do you think guys?
Well the courts took away her social assistance to give to the husband, which is what they were living off of. So unless her family steps in, she will be penniless.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
How did you reach this conclusion?
Hey straight arrow, that's the way to go. Not everything needs to be viewed from religious perspective, isn't it? Now everyone, lets just focus on topic not get diverted again.
don't bring any religion into this subject.it will only cause further confusion.this is a matter that is entirely dependant on people's attitudes.
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
allowed relatives relation for marriage in Islam.
Let us put it this way, the story or the incident in this post does not have any thing to do with religion.
No moral values in this century, father rapes own daughter, sisters are selled by own brother to red street. etc.. etc.. Some where in North India on person married his grandmother?!! it is true!, Shame on these brothers and sisters, what is the value of blood relation in these days.??!! they have no right to live in this world but feel sympothy on that child's future?!
"What do you expect ...from Man made laws/rule..." Let's see:
Stonings
Beheadings
Women with 10 children being left penniless...
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
from Man made laws/rule...
religion does not have anything to do with this incident....this happened due to the issue of family honour
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
What is Islam's position on marriages between cousins? I ask you this question because of the growing controversy that such marriages are not healthy and are very likely to cause serious birth defects in the offspring. Please answer this question in the light of the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah. I would also like if you could give your own opinion on this subject matter keeping in mind the health risks posed by such marriages. Thank You
for the answer click on the link below
Read more: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503544772#ixzz0eHFtjLDQ
What is Islam's position on marriages between cousins? I ask you this question because of the growing controversy that such marriages are not healthy and are very likely to cause serious birth defects in the offspring. Please answer this question in the light of the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah. I would also like if you could give your own opinion on this subject matter keeping in mind the health risks posed by such marriages. Thank You
Read more: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503544772#ixzz0eHFtjLDQ
Definitions of clan on the Web:
kin: group of people related by blood or marriage
A clan is a group of people united by kinship and descent, which is defined by actual or perceived descent from a common ancestor.
Definitions of tribe on the Web:
a social division of (usually preliterate) people
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
Replace the word tribe with clan. It makes the same meaning....
a lil note that i'd like to add....my parents dicovered that they were distant relatives 15 years after their marriage....when they met a common relative!we all had a good laugh that day :-P it is quite common in my community for all families to intermarry between families,and not within families....inadvertently making all of us cousins.would that be called incest?oh dear! :-P LOL
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
Dont hide behind the Great Religion Islam, Each time Arab life comes to focus,
U pple dont own the religion and y ur personal choices need not hav to be always justified by any religion for that matter.!!
I respect all religions ,...PEACE
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Yes it is Jack. :)
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Oh no, Not again. I smell that this topic will now turn into religious bashing. Run everyone!
Olive...the world is more similar than apart...lol
I think the Qataris also have similar thing tracing clans through surnames...
Straight Arrow they aren't poor either. Most people in Kheri village own land worth Millions... I should know, my ancestral village is 13 kilometers from there.
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on Arabs here in the Gulf.
Olive please call me straight Arrow or SA
Actually Jack, where I come from in Canada there's a HUGE Scottish population that also traces their lineage through clans and can trace theirs back 300 and 400 years (through verbal recollection, if we're talking about where they actually came from and ancestors and such it can be traced back to well before the Romans came). While it was generally considered ok to marry within the Clan (as in another person with the same last name as their could be thousands of members of a clan) it was, until the last one or two generations, not considered ok to marry rival clans. I.e. You'd never catch a MacDonald marrying a Campbell.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
So tru Jackmohan,
My family can b traced to 1500 yrs, It happens only in India, Most other countries didn't even exist that far back,let alone the ancestry of it's pple!!
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Yea, It happens only In India, & they were not so closely related but look at the scientific base of an age old practice that bans marriage between how ever closely related pple.Now compare it wit some Arab countries where first coz get married even now and where according to Gulf Times Surprisingly such marriages are on the rise!!!!Now pls clarify ,who/ what is the hot news????
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either that or many people here don't know how to read english...
Its says... "We have nullified the relationship of the boy and the girl and declared them as brother and sister."
They were declared as brother and sister... this does not imply that they are siblings... i.e. borne of the same parent or parents...
so people need to get a grip on reality and be more practical
They were not siblings...not even cousins...they were descendants of the same clan....
Only in India do they keep track of these things through the Surnames....In most other places you will not be able to trace your 4th generation relatives....
They aren't actually brother and sister by blood Khalid. From the sounds of it, they might possibly be second or third cousins, but not actually brother & sister. It's a Hindu custom.
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
Ok let us not twist the news, but see the original story of this thread shows that there are wrong things in this Indian village.
There might be no documentation and these things can happen in poor villages and I think the root cause was that there was one family which did not have kids and were given a baby by another family and this happened.
For every thing there is a cause.
Look on the bright side. Maybe it was an arranged marriage and they hated each other and this is great news. :P
"We submit to the majority because we have to. But we are not compelled to call our attitude of subjection a posture of respect." Ambrose Bierce
as the cliche goes,"it happens only in India"!!!...
there was a case in Philippines, but as first cousins....
brother and sister.. whooaa.. very very rare case indeed...
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StraightArrow,
Thats what called twisting the news!!! when you read some1 married to a dog does not means he/she is living with Dog....! It's their rituals (i can agree being them right or wrong) but I object making it a point of bashing atleast from orientals!!!!
It's all in Perception!!!
their relatives are at fault not even informing them
like i said,the poor souls obviously did not know that they were 'siblings'....shows how closely related they are!duh!
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
So wrong! Were they not aware they were siblings?
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i understand....even i have seen insane things being said and done in the name of family honour.
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
Straight Arrow what does that have to do with this news?
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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/22/crimesider/entry5409254.shtml
Svelte everyone there knows that you can't marry anyone with the same last name as yours, your mother's maiden last name and your paternal grandmother's maiden last name. They can claim ignorance but nobody is ignorant about this practice there.
Anyway these matters become a matter of our family honour and once honour is involved then human life becomes insignificant in those parts.
It is very twisted logic.
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Di i miss read u r line Straight Arrow or r v trying to compete on"The -Most-Obnoxious- News"here?
Also pls quote the ref:for your above mentioned juicy material pls, or is it just u r creativity doing overtime????
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Also I saw one time Dr. Phil and the episod was on an american father who was having an affair with his daughters and one got pragnant and may be the other ones as well.
There was an Indian guy who married his grand mother.
but this is India which has more than 300 languages and beliefs, it is up to the Indian people, and you might be surprized if I tell you that some indian families make a marriage for their two month old baby girl or boy with a dog, they do it for blissing.
marriages amongst people who fall in the same bloodline,like say a close cousin,are not encouraged.i too know that.but if this couple were so closely related as it is claimed by the village elders,wouldn't the couple themselves know it?they didn't even know that they were related so closely.and i doubt they are.for all you know their relationship with each other will probably be more than a couple of sentences long!so what's the point in this cross examination after 3 years of marriage and a healthy baby???has anyone even thought about the baby?
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
So what do u suggest svelte_saggi, Allow the practice of same gothra marriage??? Then the said pple will b accused of supporting Incest, & more socially responsible DHARTHI KE PUTTARS will be crying out "look" to all who might listen, won't they?There is no escaping India's image of "Exotically Colorful News Item"
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this was just a humble attempt to bring to the surface a small thing which is just one of the millions of such issues that boils under and which people tend to overlook because of bigger problems....in fact these minor things are all drops that make up the ocean.we have to tackle them at an early stage before it gets worse.
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
I am from Rohtak and trust me this is not an isolated incident there. You won't understand the reasoning behind it. It's a stupid reasoning but that's how it goes in those parts.
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If that's the case then this problem is much smaller than many a bigger ones lying ahead!!! as I said U can't even count them in 1.2 Billion people, and trust me, putting this topic here serves no benefit to them who are affected.
I quote Einstein, Everything is relative; so we must see things in perspective.
I do respect your feelings for such things; I suggest for one bad thing search one good thing, it'll do.."all is well..:)-:)-:)-
they are not tribals
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
That is the beauty of tribal system in the sub continent........
It doesnt matter...she would be calling him "bhaiya" anyway...lol
Just as mullu wifes call their hubby "chetta"... :)
i just felt sorry that such things still happen.and that society still allows it to happen.we see such things happening in all parts of the world...not just in Haryana.no point in closing our eyes and making it dark.we are the children of that country and we have a moral responsibility to see that such things should be stopped for the nation to progress.even if we cannot to do anythignabout it directly,it should be brought to public notice so that it acts as a deterrent and such things are not repeated.
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
Svelte,
I really feel sorry for you to report this report when you have option for better things too. Anyway this all happens (manyatimes more idiotic)in a small pocket of Haryana where old customs still prevail and not in India per say. While your writeup presents it like it's general practice there, it's called aberrations and in a country of 1.2 billion you can find such aberrations frequently and make some bigots to laugh on.
The writer, unknowingly, writes that amongst "clan" marriages can't happen, actually it's 'gotra' (same family linegae) where in same 'gotra' marriages can't happen and it's a old custom & now medically proven it's significance.
The said couple will now move to 200 kms away in delhi and will live like husband wife. No worries Guyz!!!
After 3 years......Oh you are my sister! XD
wish somebody would intervene and stop this.i feel sorry for the baby :-(
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
Since they are not the real bro n sis.....
I don't like the drugs,but the drugs like me. :D
Oops !
and the funny part is that they realised this 3 years after the marriage....nonsense!
Going to church no more makes you a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car. ~ Garrison Keillor
forbidden then where were the law makers when they were getting married.
Bloody Idiotz !! :(