Gulf News temporary insanity

Ngourlay - You have a face for Radio my friend

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I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say

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I say what I like and I bloody well like what I say

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I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I'm on lots of things, PCG.

I wasn't having a go at you, like.

Are you on non prescribed drugs??? If so the answer is 42!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

I can't believe that anyone who proclaims to believe in a magical sky fairy can brand ANYTHING that has basis in reality a myth.

The human race is terminally stupid.

We will never know for sure how many were killed but it was millions. Not only Jews were killed on the order of this nutter, but anybody who he deemed was not worthy.

So not only Jews suffered at the hands of this despot.

I do not agree for one minute with what England did, the Jews wanted to go back to what they perceived was the Promised Land. Who promised that bit of land????

The thing with the Jewish problem; America had joined the second world war in an attempt to help GB. We all know the 'special' relaitionship the US has with Jews. Lets face it, Israel has nothing, so how do they survive? American backing................we all know that.

So, what to do with the American friends after they had been targetted by a mad man. Give them what they wanted; The Promised Land. Who got the most from that agreement.....the Americans. They now control the Middle East. GB had to go along with that as they were grateful the US had stepped in to help them.

The Jews have always used the Holocaust as their trump card and always will. Yet they have created their own Holocaust in Gaza. You would think they would know better.

Nobody can deny their was a Holocaust and there have been others since....think the Serbian/Bosnian war...think South Africa...think about Somalia/Sudan.

What happened was truly awful but I do think The Jews should stop playing the victim and get a grip.

I will hoist that up the flag pole and see who salutes it!!

Let's suppose the Holocaust is a fact. Let's suppose 6 million Jews starved or were killed by Nazis. But then twice more Russians also died in the war. Millions from other nations that were not involved in the war also died. Japanese innocent souls were also burnt by US atomic bombs.

Now, do these events give the Russians a pretext to commit other holocausts? Do the Japanese have the right to massacre whoever does not show sympathy to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Secondly, if at all any holocaust took place, it was the Europeans and Christians who committed it. Why should the Muslims suffer for something they are not responsible? As Ahmadinejad once said, why weren't the Jews given a home in Germany or America?

Thirdly, let's suppose it was right that homeless Jews were given a home in Palestine. Why has the US and Europe given the Zionist State the right to invade and occupy neighbouring nations and never return their lands? Why has holocaust perpetrator been given green signal to illegally expand Jewish settlements and entrap Palestinians in every possible way?

It must be remembered that, as a Palestinian said, as long as there is no justice, there won't be peace. And history repeats itself. If today the Palestinian Muslims are at the receiving end, there will be a time when the Israelis, the Americans and whoever is allowing injustice to continue, will be at the receiving end.

Your comment triggered a thought. What if this is all a ploy to sell more papers? The timing is perfect...it has started debates here on QL and who knows where else.

IT IS ONE OPINION---but this could be what the paper needed CONTROVERSY--perhaps even spawning other controversial opinions like this one to be in future editions.

This will also give readers an A-HA! thought: Wow, the paper actually allowed this article to be written and published? What other controversial articles will be

allowed? Will there be any backlash due to the article being published? I guess I will log on or buy a paper to find out.

If the reporter is leaving due to the publishing of this editorial----that's more controversy!

Controversy sells papers.

agree with arecel

http://www.ascension-research.org/reality.html

Very good article passed to me by me Philosophy teacher. My point here is what do you really know?

the story was under the opinion column, not the front/news page. therefore, the writer has the right to express his own views. nothing wrong in it. news papers are created to be a medium of diverse opinions so that the readers will have all the sides of an issue.

now for the gulf times to be really fair to all, it should print all those letters to the editors or perhaps invite a guest writer who will rebut this writer's views.

IF Neil cook is leaving then its better. GT is not going to lose much with his going anyway.

Bit like Fox News in the USA.

One should not take all that is written in newspapers as gospel. Try and do a little research also to clarify.

I agree with Red Pope

Who are those Monkey Journalist?

Are they part of the super homosapiens race that control the news media?

Yes master, yes master, we will print, what ever you desire....

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach

Holocaust myth or reality.. what ever. All that I do not agree with is that if some one denies it in the west it is like blasphamy and should be punished for it in court of law. Dont agree with this stupidy.. Where is freedom os speech. Every day people deny there is God. Do they get punished?

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HE WHO DARES WINS

True.....

I don't hate no one, I'm just stating historical data.

Just think about it, twenty years ago, you and me, were rivals during the cold war. Know we are best friends Sr Colonel, is nothing personal.

Every nation has a dark era...

Wise words.. 200 years ago, we were at war, now we're nearly friends :)

Hate is a terrible thing and clouds judgement and progress.

Amen, Sir!

Hate, Pope...just hate!

Memories of being a WWII POW in Romania

"Apparently no one spoke English. I indicated by sign language that I was thirsty so one of the civilians went into a farm home and came out with a glass of water and a small foil-wrapped piece of cheese - both tasted good."

http://www.timesargus.com/article/20080317/NEWS01/360305172/-1/WW2

Dammed Rumanian Nazis, according to stats during WW2 550 thousand Rumanians fought in the side of the Nazis, they lost 380 thousand by the end of the war. Mostly in the Russian Front.

"According to an international commission report released by the Romanian government in 2004, Romania murdered in various forms, between 280,000 to 380,000 Jews in Romania".

It is important to mention that Jews were not the only minorities targeted by Romanians. They were not viewed as enemies of Romania, but inferior creatures that had to be killed in order to keep the Romanian race pure.

However, the Romanian Jews were most affected during WWII, with the second largest number, after Germany, killed and tortured. The Antonescu regime feared that the Jews would ally with the Russians and fight against the Romania. Even before WWII, laws were passed to ensure that Jews were not treated as equal citizens, with the belief that they were inferior creatures that caused diseases and disaster. Therefore the Antonescu regime, with the Iron Guard in the few months that they were in power, felt justified in killing a large number of Jews during the Holocaust. However, few Romanians are aware of this part in its history. The genocide that occurred in Romania has to be brought to light not only the international arena, but in Romania as well. With the return to democracy in Romania, individuals need to take responsibility and speak honestly about the past.

Only through an accurate examination of its history will Romania learn from the past and ensure that the tragedies that took place during WWII do not occur again.

http://www.claremontmckenna.edu/hist/jpetropoulos/ironguard/holocaust.htm

I love reading those Doha newspaper lately, they only feed you, with half spoon of honey and a handful of Brazilian stinging bees in those editorials.

i Love the current governments, they are always Crystal clear, just like murky water.

I love humans, they only speak what they heard selectively and accurately.

i love religion, they are always telling you what to do with your life.

Ah, yes, the holocaust issues, Which Holocaust are we talking about?

The Nazi and Jew holocaust?

The Stalin era holocaust?

The Chinese Revolution Holocaust?

The Khmer rogue Holocaust?

The Bosnian war Holocaust?

The Rwanda Holocaust?

The Darfur Holocaust? Many christians still being massacre in there.

Then and know, They are calling the Gaza conflict a Holocaust?

Statically there is not enough deaths to call it a Holocaust yet, Just a conflict.

Holocaust definition:

Noun

1. destruction or loss of life on a massive scale

2. the Holocaust mass murder of the Jews in Europe by the Nazis (1940–45) [Greek holos whole + kaiein to burn]

I'm waiting for the nuclear Holocaust, neither you and me will be writing in this forum.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.

Holocaust denial is illegal in 13 countries. The USA isn't one of them as Holocaust denial is protected under the first amendment to the constitution. There are 27 countries in the EU, which means that you can't be put in jail in most of Europe for Holocaust denial.

The countries that prosecute most fiercely Holocaust denial have been the ones which perpetuated the genocide (Austria, Germany, and Romania). The UN Human Rights Committee has said that Holocaust denial laws are not incompatible with the universal declaration of human rights.

All of this doesn't matter one jot to the issue at hand. In almost every newspaper in almost every country, Holocaust denial wouldn't be given a platform. The Gulf News has associated itself with the fringe hate groups, and against the vast majority of journalists and historians.

I'm sure the Nazi Germans did widespread exterminations, and it included many Jews, but the number "6 million Jews" doesn't seem right, it's probably somebody's estimates.

I believe in freedom of expression, and freedom of the press. In the US, and most of Europe, you would be put in jail for SAYING anything against the "FACTS?" of the holocaust.

Why is the phrase "6 Million Jews died in the Holocaust" so sacred and unquestionable? You couldn't even say that the number is "1 million Jews, 0.5 million Gypsies, and 4.5 million cripples" without being considered antisemitic.

And they blame us for being offended when someone talks about the prophet in a bad way.

there were extermination camps or mass executions of several nationalities by the Germans but you do believe the Palestinians had a homeland. hmmm

I don't recall the Jews, Gypsies, Poles or Russian peasants firing rockets indiscriminately at the Germans either.

He who dies with the most toys wins.

Right, I agree with that you that they have done a fairly decent job of that. I just do not agree with the "rightly" part...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

They have cornered the word for themselves. It gives their cause focus and helps everyone hearing the word to assiciate it with the destruction of Jews. Great move on their part..

I suppose a similar example is "Al Qaeda". Another term to associate terrorism and focus on one thing..

Why rightly? There are many more genocides that are more deserving of the title...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

The original meaning meant complete destruction, usualy by fire. It also means "mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life"..

Theerfore it can apply to genocides of Rwanda, Cambodia or even Russia.

However, the Jews have cleverly (and rightly) adopted it to mean the destruction of jews and used the term to keep the focus on this issue.

Exactly my point...

AbuAmerican, you silly.... If it didn't happen to the Jews it isn't a holocaust*...

* Trademarked all rights reserved to this term

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

"The Arab world must learn the lessons from the Jews and use the media more to further their cause. They also need to bring more younger and articulate spokespersons to the fore..."

bRIT: cOULDN'T AGREE MORE, sorry caps :)

PM: I think all holocausts need to be remembered so they don't happen again.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Tzipi Livni, my muse! swwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooon

Not just an orator , but sexy to boot..

Have great admiration for Hanad Ashrawi. A great speaker. Trouble is she's out of the picture now and also a Christian, so probably won't get back.

The Arab world must learn the lessons from the Jews and use the media more to further their cause. They also need to bring more younger and articulate spokespersons to the fore...

Oh, my goodness, crazy is the word for that article. There are no facts or statistics, no historical perspective, no attribution. It is an hysterical anti-zionist rant relying on the "everybody knows" argument. Fortunately it is a "column" by a guest writer, not a news article. And it is a big deal. All that a news organization has to offer is journalistic integrity. When that is lost, all credibility is gone and the medium becomes untrustworthy. I pray that this doesn't happen in Qatar. I really cherish freedom of the press, when that is gone things get a little scary in this world. The Arab world must take note of the fact that the Israelis really know how to manipulate the media. Tzipi Livni is a consummate spokesperson for the Israeli propaganda. Even Netanyahu manages to sound reasonable in interviews although he gives me the shudders. They know better than to use inflammatory rhetoric that can backfire on them later. It's only when you watch their actions does the real agenda come out. I really wish for a "voice" for the Palestinian people. Hanan Ashrawi, where are you?

Mandi

stealth. If the rumours are true, why do you think Neil Cook has quit as Gulf Times' Managing Editor? I heard he's working his notice period and is leaving in March.

well maybe a few europeans and americans will not join gulf news or quit it? does it make any difference for Gulf News. No.

In the same manner if peninsula or GT were to publish it, i doubt even one of the so called westerners would quit out of disgust. After all everyone is there for the money and nothing else.

polar opposites...

Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.

you're going over his head..don't get too deep cause he won't understand the conversation.

Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.

ochiha...so now you are a math instructor? Tell me, does 2+2=5? Seems to in your mind..

Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.

I respect you opinion

I have seen american that have blind trust in their governments.

have you read about any of the theaories regarding the 911?

I have watched a movie and found it interesting. if you would like to watch it online

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

I'm not criticising the Arab media, just Gulf News. I doubt Al Jazeera, English or Arabic, would give someone airtime for an unchallenged denial of the Jewish Holocaust. I hope not, anyway.

If you want to believe 911 conspiracies, go ahead. But to have conspiracies repeated unchallenged in newsprint makes a laughing stock of the Gulf News.

Roy Greenslade comments in The Guardian.

NGourlay, regarding 9-11 I find it funny that I feel the same way you do BUT towards the people who buy into the official conspiracy theory... Brainwashed, I tell ya!!

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

ngourlay...

you are criticising Arab Media... what the hell...

do you guys watch your media?

1. BBC: the Arabic Version is totally differnt than the english version. arab tells the arabs what they want to hear and the english one is misleading the english readers.

2. Fox News: Totally Biest to the Jews.

3. Al Hurra TV: Directed Media by the US boradcasted in the middle east... Really screwed up news station as if we are not living in the middle east.

and more and more "legit" news stations...

what are you talking about, questioning the past and misleading audience has been their main target since created, and was their main point of creating these stations.

why dont you hear anything about GAZA in American Press? or it isnt that important.

the point is... why to critisize the arab media just because they mentioned something that goes against your thinking and what you believe.

Have you seen the movie 911 Loose Change.

I think you better watch it.

much ado about nothing!

I know lots of people believe the Holocaust was fiction. They're wrong, but nothing I'm going to write here will convince them otherwise. Many, many people have been brainwashed into believing conspiracies about 9/11, the Holocaust, giant lizards ruling the world, and other such nonsense.

However, to repeat the conspiracies theories unchallenged in a national paper is irresponsible. There isn't equal access to the press: the vast majority of nut-job theories are excluded on the basis of their factual accuracy. People generally think that newspapers should be filled with truthful statements, and that fringe opinions should be restricted to crazies handing out leaflets at railway stations.

But what confuses me more than anything about this is the stupidity throwing a newspaper's reputation down the pan. How is Gulf News going to be able to recruit decent journalists when they publish this kind of article? Even if the editor believed the Holocaust deniers, if he had any common sense he would have asked: "Will my newspaper be able to function in its role as impartial truth-teller if I publish this?"

Okay guys... does buring the jews (1 or 10 million) justifys what they are doing now?

or the world still sypithize with the jews against the palestinians? or is jewish blood is presious than Arab blood. number of killed palestinians until today 17 days 789 poeople and 3000+ wounded... Israel kills were 10 killed and 100 wonded... percentage is 78.9 to 1

does that sound like good math.

US = Israel = State Terrorism

The holocaust did occur. As have other genocides and holocausts in history.

What is fascinating and perhaps irritates many people, is that whilst other genocides have been forgotten, Israel and the Jewish lobby has ensured that this holocaust is constantly remembered and have used this to "leverage" the cause of Israel.

Having said that, I take my hat off to Isreal and the Jews for doing this and punching above their weight.

Perhaps others need to learn from this.

Plato truth needs no law to support it....

As Brit said, "Some people still believe the world is flat. Do we criminalize them ?"

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

Ochiha: In Europe, saying that you don't belive in the Holocaust (with so many proofs that exist) is considered hate crime, anyone who doubts can visit Treblinka and Aushwitz, if people still doubt, ask russians/germans/french/british about it.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

Ochicha you are incorrect on number 1. I believe you are referring to some European nations...

They call it the American dream because you have to be asleep to see it... --George Carlin

let me overview some of these points.

1- do you know that in America sends people to prison for questioning the 'holocaust'? so much for the freedom of speach.

2- If the Illeged 'holocaust' was a real thing... that does not give them the freedom to commit 'holocaust' against other nations.. or am I wrong.

3- Questioning the Past. Past was written by people. I heared that the number of Zionests that were killed by hitler (May god bring peace upon his soal) has been changed many times...

I guess than i have the right to Belive that Guantanamo doesn't exist, that Abu Graib also never existed and keeping this way soon i'll be offending all my muslim brothers, so, i'll only give these examples.

Only God Can Judge Me

الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي

I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer

أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ

All you need is a trip Auschwitz or any of the other concetration camps and maybe you'll change your mind

Some believe that the universe and everything in it was a 'spontaneous' event; and that we evolved from monkeys!

Well the monkeys are those who believe in the falsehood and lie that is the theory of Evolution which has pretty much been debunked...in fact Darwin abused science for his own ends and fed the world a 'theory' not based upon observation or testing but rather from using logic devoid of ration hence he guessed and he theorised and presented these as facts...the atheists swallowed his 'shite' whole and but alas his nonsense has been exposed as fallacy devoid of a factual basis...

Which makes me question the 'holocaust'..yes the nazis were murderous and they killed jews, the disabled; the gypsies etc but never in the numbers being presented by the jews or those who put the evidence together post nuremburg...

the jews had been wanting a homeland; promised by Balfour in 1917 and the 2nd World War provided the opportunity to use the killing of jews to lay claim to palestine as the promised land...the US which emerged as the one of two Superpowers, after the UK, France, Germany had been exhausted in the war; began to create its new world order. the US pushed for jewish homeland in palestine to create leverage for its future plans in the muslim world...at the same time the US was inciting the world again colonialism and as a result the british, french were kicked out of their former colonies leaving the US to move in.

Thus there is no conclusive evidence that 6 million jews were exterminated by the nazis just like the theory of evolution; it is based on a hypthesis devoid of a factual basis.

This is the ultimate conspiracy theory - a work of lies and a lack of truth. Revising history is the work of totalitarians who wish to control the present by manipulating the past. George Orwell foresaw all of this. I don't support the right of people to question history any more than I would support them trying to argue that 2 + 2 = 5.

If arguing about something that is demonstrably b*llocks is your idea of freedom of speech and that is what you cherish, then go off and find like minded people to discuss such nonsense but don't drag down the integrity of the public arena by discussing it openly as though it deserves some kind of serious consideration.

The author says "The holocaust was a major crime in history"..

I don't deny the holocaust, but I do support the right of others to deny / question it.

Some people still believe the world is flat. Do we criminalize them ?

Everyone should have a right to their opinion and belief PROVIDING it does not lead to anarchy.

whats wrong in that article anyway? There's nothing in that.

This is criticism.

"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach