Conversations with God

Rollling Stone- we dont need a "designer" to explain the universe. 

 Glad you liked it RikiTiki.Having struggled with the dogma surrounding Christianity (not to be confused with the core message in the Gospels) I found the books answered a lot of questions. Took a while to overcome my scepticism but after reading a few chapters I found it cleared up some questions.Wouldn't have been ready for this 20 years ago when I as going through a born-again phase. Too much fear was pumped into me about the bad guy and what God would do to me for thinking anything else. Lots of talk about love, compassion & forgiveness but with the constant threat of judgement and eternal damnation if I got it wrong.       

 Can you prove it wasn't designed and did I say it was for me alone? 

ROLLING STONE- what makes you think that the universe is designed? And designed with you in mind? How ridiculously arrogant. 

 We all live our own realities based on our choices. No right or wrong....who is to judge? Not God for what is the point of giving us free choice if only to condemn us for making choices.Technological advances in areas like communications & medical science are certainly beneficial but are we advancing with technology in terms of the choices we make the way we behave towards each other and the world?Is the world becoming a better place to live and do we all look to the future with optimism for us and our children? Do we look to technology to solve global poverty, famine and to prevent us from killing each other and destroying the environment?Clearly there are many (those of us who are lucky enough not to have to worry about these problems) are quite happy with the way things are. Technology can help in some ways but I believe we still need to acknowlege the patient is sick and collectively evolve from within to solve these issues.And that's ok...we are choosing but maybe those of us who are inclined to believe in a creative force behind the universe should take a look in the mirror before blaming him/her/it for the problems we've created      

DK - Cant agree more..:)

Slapper - That's why I believe in living my life the way I want.

Slapper/Bark...I agree with what you say. The ultimate objective of a society is to bring long term happiness to as many as people as possible through equality and justice. This could be done without the concept of God. Have a code of conduct and endeavour to provide equal rights and opportunities to all as far as possible. This code of conduct shall be based on ethics and these ethics shall be evolved out of pure facts and experience from past civilizations.

Bark_Scorpion - you cant sin if you reject thier 'God"

DK - Exactly the same thought. These are words that are passed to millions of people. So how can we be sure that it was never changed? How can we assure that what they call a sin is really a sin?

DK - religion is just a primative child like attempt to explain the world around us. It is philosophy only without the questions

DK - you ask "When will people resolve to separate the myth from reality"it starts with stopping the brainwashing of our kids. It starts with education. It start by telling the truth. It starts with people being concious of the social structure surrounding them and how they impact on their lives  and how its change can bring a better life, not wasted on pray and faith.  The less time spent on wishful thinking ( faith)  the more time can be spent on revolutionary thoughts

Bark, Thats exactly what I feel too. It started with a few Jews who bluffed the world that Abraham had an agreement with God and the Moses got the commandments on Mount Sinai. The bluff started from there and still continuing after 2500 years of civilization.

DK - Exactly,what we call religions now are just the interpretations of the first people here on earth. I'm not following what my parents believe. People can call me a rebel,but I'd live my life the way I want. I believe in a different thing,not a god or any godess above or wherever they are located but i believe what i believe. 

 Except for a few missing links, astrophysics has made the ‘Standard Model’ the most believable theory for the origin of universe. The theory of quantum fluctuations in an absolute vacuum explains the cause of the Big Bang and that it was possible to create ‘something out of nothing’, the net energy of the universe being mathematically zero and matter, an equivalent of energy. Also, exo-biologists have proved that organic molecules could have formed from inorganic elements if the gases were mixed in the right proportion and activated by electrical energy discharges, like the effects of lightening on such an atmosphere. It might have taken a billion years for the organic molecules to group together in a rare combination to become self interacting and capable of reproduction. Finally, the theory of evolution and the relevant evidence in the form of fossils have further proved that there was a slow but continuous evolution of ‘living’ matter from unicellular to multi-cellular organisms and finally to primitive plant life in the depths of the oceans.

Despite having the above evidences, nearly all of us have different beliefs about our origins. It is understandable, in the earliest of days, when science didn’t exist, a sense of fear and helplessness due to uncertain surges of forces of nature, must have given rise to the concept of a creator, protector and an eternal entity. The psychology behind this universally ongoing paradigm was that people tended to believe what they wanted to happen under desperate situations and as the same was passed down the generations, it crystallized as truth. This imaginary but remarkable concept was also used in answering all difficult questions the civilization faced during those days. It was then taken further with their interpretations by some super-thinkers at different times that had great urge to reform the societies, abolish the prevailing vices and bring in equality and justice.

But, we are not in the dark ages anymore and science has given almost all answers to our fundamental questions, then why is it that most people need to follow the faith of their parents? When will reason prevail over social conditioning? When will people resolve to separate the myth from reality?

Slapper - Exactly,some people are just helping others bec.they are obliged to do it and that they think it will give them a good record once they died. So how many of us here on earth who really give with all our hearts without thinking about it as an obligation?

Bark_Scorpion - this world we live in is called reality - the natural world .  I believe to live a good life you the good that you have committed outweights the bad. I would rather take a helping hand off someone who loves me  than from someone who seeks eternal "reward."

Everything in this world is all in our minds.. whatever your religion is,whoever you praise,it wont matter. I believe that my purpose here is to be happy.. if people will let go of the things that worry them and their fears then it's a different story. It's a helluva lot more fun when u let ur wings have its full execution.

begin by saying "ALL RELIGION IS MAN MADE", everything else will follow  from this and the world makes more sense.

Humanity came first before religion. So why do i have to worry about "what ifs" while im living my life? It will just prevent me from enjoying the good things in life. I live my life the way I want,you live your life the way you want. What's so hard in that? I live everyday wthout worrying what will happen to me when I die. I dont have to follow what the majority believes to be right. This is my life. If people believe in heaven and hell,so what the hell do u care about if i'll be burned?

Bark_Scorpion - spot on. Free to do what you want without having to anwser to any mythical creature in the sky. How de-humaniising otherwise.

I dont have to read that book , all i know is i have the freewill to live my life the way I want. It's all up to me.

Rolling Stone - correct me if I am wrong. Your "god" is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient? Yes?

Riki Tiki - yeah spirituality is such a useless nothing word. Can you define it for me or are you just full of merda.

I read this book and thought it was lovely and simple and meaningful. A beautiful way to look at spirituality without all the conservative add-ons that religions bring to it. It worked for me. If you enjoyed this book you will love "Conversations with Morrie" by Mitch Albom.

I read this book and thought it was lovely and simple and meaningful. A beautiful way to look at spirituality without all the conservative add-ons that religions bring to it. It worked for me. If you enjoyed this book you will love "Conversations with Morrie" by Mitch Albom.

The world doesn't have to be the way it is. We have simply made choices that have led to it being this way. The same applies to the destruction of our environment. God will not interfere with our choices.We are free to make different choices, to share so that there is more than enough for all but we don't because we are afraid that in doing so we will lose something. We don't get the fact (yet) that we are all connected, we are all one, and that what we give to another, we give to ourselves. Other messengers have said something similar.In some ways we are advanced but in others very primitive and we need to evolve to the point where we collectively make a conscious choice to change the way things are.That's all I'll say on the subject of these books. I'm not recommending them but just curious to know if anyone else had read them and what they thought.People who are not open to other interpretations of God's will and the purpose of creation will not like them as they do challenge religious dogma.

UZUM - how do you reconcile this in a world full of exploitation and where not all people are born equal in opportunity and wealth.  

Your life work is a statement of Who You Are. If it is not, then why are you doing it? Do you imagine that you have to? You don’t have to do anything. If “man who supports his family, at all costs, even his own happiness” is Who You Are, then love your work, because it is facilitating your creation of a living statement of Self. If “woman who works at job she hates to meet responsibilities as she sees them” is Who You are, then love, love, love your job, for it totally supports your Self image, your Self concept. Everyone can love everything the moment they understand what they are doing, and why. No one does anything he or she doesn’t want to do.God from Conversations with God (Book 1) through Neale Donald Walsch

Rolling Stone - and what reason did "he" give for creating us and the universe??? Something to do??

 For me its not a question of which book is better that any other book. I have not read the Koran and I have only read parts of the Bible.For someone who believes that God can only communicate with us through these books and has no questions about the message they received, the CWG series of books will be of no interest. 

 God's reason for creating us and the universe

Big question rolling stone? Where did you found it? In the book of Neale Donald Walsch? Is this book was more than the holy bible or holy quran?

Rolling Stone "For someone still searching for answers to the big questions I found they made a lot of sense"Can you give me one question that was answered and what it was?