are they called "men"?

Yes, people can be evil no matter where they come from (except the Scandanavians).

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Now thats ur big problem am talking to you and u are draggin others in here.

Talk face to face like man to man GROW UP.hiddin behind others comment and repling to me on their behalf shows what kind of a man you are.

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that the administration of this website can be as democratic, open-minded & wise like me by chosing to ignore people who have different point of views than that of the administration. DON'T SHUT PEOPLE UP BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY SAY.

Here I am allowing a thing called The Rude to keep barking until it can knock its head on the wall. I can chose to ignore such things/insects and I don't need to go crying to some Big Brother to shut it up!

It's as simple as this

Thanks for the lots of comments given here.

For airsupply or sirapply just one message: Open your eyes!!! You can't see what's going on around you!

Anyway I prefer to raise up a child alone, and this means that I will get support from my parents and friends and definetely not kicked out. If it would happen it wasn't me to be kicked out. And most importantly I wouldn't be killed by my male relatives. But this is not the subject about raising a child alone.

"open-hearted", "kind" and "wise man"? The one who uses this language?:

"Filty Trash" "low life punk" "rubbish face" "low life jerks" "ur IRAQi prostitutes" "i talk less and use hands alot"???!!!

That makes me..what? The 2nd best "kind & wise man"? (coz I use less of such language)

From one's standards, you can tell what gutter they come from...and now I am seeing your standards!

To trash you out i will get to the lowest level dont worry.

talking about ur worthless piece of crap logics which really got no value which you really cant prove.ppl like you only have brain for it.

Forget about rest of the world. Lets Talk about IRAQ how good it is now ITS GOING DOWN DOWN DOWN. IF PPL like you get paid to get rid of ur family members u will do that with out any hesitation. you guys are cheap got no value.

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You are open - hearted and kind.

Also you do reflect on issues and see things from the perspectives of others... a wise man indeed.

good morning to you!

This is what I meant by not going down to the level of trash; YOU!

I only deal with people who have brain & logic

Welcome Back. I knew you will come back because a nugget always keep popping up huh.

1- Your are the biggest Filty Trash here on QL spitting out anything with out any reference or proof or solid evidence.

2- They the QLers refuse to go down to YOUR LEVEL coz you r a low life punk and they dont want to agree with you.so what you do just start calling them names here picking on their culture.

3- Talking about culture you really dont have any culture dont forget that talking about love oh my, low life jerks like u are pathetic souls.

4- Talking about Aids want me to give you ur IRAQi prostitutes locations here?? Get the mirror on your rubbish face first.

5- Talking about Canada what the hell do you really know about Canada?? Baseless points you got their with out any proof Show us if you are that much true about it? dont act like a loose canon no doubt you are one loose canon.

6- Its you who needs to wake up well you know as i say behind the screen every one is BOLD but i sure ask you to meet face to face coz i talk less and use hands alot to make you know the entity u belong to the worthless ONES.

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This proves that some people can't face the mirror I am holding against their faces. They are simply not strong enough to reply in words & they prefer to shut people up.

I am not gonna reply some of the filthy trash who spitted their poison of hatred here. I refuse to go down to their level (they know themselves). I just want to inform you that the amount of hatred you have in you towards the community here, and such other communities, only proves that you are trying to display that there can never be a place for love & peace between our cultures because you simply aim to infect other people's cultures.

As for those who encouraged, supported & participated in the discussions/promotion of a sex shop here in Doha, well...this is the kind of infection/disease that you aim to bring from your countries to this peaceful country. This shows what you are really made of, how you & your parents were brought up, and what kind of values you have. I can't believe how shallow your discussions were about this shop.

I also had a good laugh about the silly lies from gypsy when she claimed that the only cases of rape she knew in her life were here not in Canada, and her lies about ALL women being harrassed (physically) here in this peaceful community, and her funny claims that her Canada is safer than here while she refuses to go back to the official records to check the rates of rape, AIDS & pregnancy outside wedlock between here & Canada. Wake up, girl! Don't underestimate us, please. (I can also claim that there is absolutely no harrassment from men in this country, if this is the way you want the debate to be)

oh oh can I be down the front crowd surfing? :D

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

you all have to argue with him on what basis what real basis he is one racist person who hate the wast and who will make it all mess with out any solid and valid reason what was this whole topic about a simple pervertism topic and where the hell he took it. i didnot comment on his any post coz i know he is just waste of time arguin with a person who got no proof no evidence just a self hate that he brust out here and then in end u guys mess up with each other leavin him behind FULL OF MISUNDERSTANDING. just watch it next time coz i do know he will re appear with an other user name

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Gypsy...it's a free entry for all...this is like my repayment to society for everything good they've done for me...it's time to give back :D

And adey..."I must be a bit of a cockroach then - a resistant insect immune to being crushed under his shoe :-P"...he's definitely not crushing anyone, all he's doing is giving us a big headache with all the nonsense :-)

And in no time, he will be banned again. Some people just never learn!

gypsy - ades right dont waste your time.

he doesnt read he just rants.

yes you are right we are constantly 'on guard' and it is very tiring and wearing.

I have even had three guys in at the petrol station in the back of a pick up masturbate.

it is humiliating and degrading.

At 5.30pm today i went across the road - from where i work. less than 2 mins walk. I am dressed in teacher mode - really respectable even go my hair up and covered... guess what... a guy tried to solicit me.

that is crap and it happens more than once EVERY bloody day.

unfortunatley Gypsy the staring does me in too.

but finally I am a women who has been to over 60 countries and I don't need some guy giving ME a lecture on sexual

harrassment and telling ME that I am wrong.

and anything else I write will be banned!

Thanks DaRuDe

but I think I can hold my own.......we'll let him drown of his own accord.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

yes he was banned.

and if u want to get him banned again just tell me.

This chicken lost to me in previous battle and got banned. thats why i didnot post any comment or replied to him. :D

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Someone said he'd been banned before? I wonder what for? On an otherwise friendly site he was like an injection of poison, mind you I'm biased having been on the end of one of his attacks. I must be a bit of a cockroach then - a resistant insect immune to being crushed under his shoe :-P

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

it is just a scary dream ... just wondering who could be that lucky guy? :D

Can I buy tickets to that Corne?

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

The moment I get my MD, I'm pulling out his intestines, strangling him with it, and then hang him by his nipples from the Statue of Liberty :D (I'll just use the excuse that his intestine was infected and needed some fresh AMERICAN air :P)

Oh and while he's hanging, I'll make sure that he's listening to the stories about how great and wonderful the West is :D

I find it funny that he gets mad at us for generalizing the Middle East but he generalizes the West way more. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Don't waste your time on him, you will never get through. It's frustrating not to reply to such ignorence but the guy has an agenda to show how depraved and evil the 'west',as if it's one place, is.

He was hoping to see Scarlet's family members blown to bits in the States on another thread!

Peace

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

"If you go back to my previous messages in this thread & previous threads, I have never denied that there are no nasty men (a lot of them) who harrass women, here. BUT......"safety" is a big word. To claim that you feel "safer" walking in Canada or any other place than here, does that mean you prefer to be raped in your country (as this is a very common incident) than being looked at by men here? Do you prefer as a woman to be left pregnant in the streets of your country after being abandoned by your boyfriend, being kicked out of his flat, rejected by your parents (these are all common cases in the west) than being harrassed by some men here which you have the power to chase away in seconds?"

First of all, rape is by no means a common incident. It's a very serious incident and treated very seriously by the police. I don't know a single girl in Canada who's been raped, but I've met two in Doha, and guess what, it never made the papers or any other of your reporting mechanisms.

Also I know a few of girls who've had kids out of wedlock but never have they been kicked out on the street! None of them have been abandoned by their boyfriends either, and their families have been very very supportive. So these incidents are not Common as you say, they are very rare. In fact I think you just described what happen s to a girl in the Middle East when she gets pregnant out of wedlock (that or flown to Europe for an abortion or to give away the child) not what happens in the West.

And finally, I am not talking about being stared at. I can deal with being stared at. I am talking about being approached, verbally and physically harassed and assaulted. This is something that happens to EVERY woman in Qatar.

So yes, I feel safer in Canada. Because I know that I can get in a taxi in Canada without the driver trying to crawl into the back seat with me. I know I can go out to my car in a crowded parking lot and not have some jerk off try and get in my car at me, and I know I can go for a walk around the mall without some loser following me around and making lewd comments. If I don't want to be raped in Canada I avoid dangerous situations and places (which are few and far between), if I want to avoid rape and assault in Doha I have to be constantly on my guard and usually have a man with me for safety.

Finally, if you are going to talk about the West, please go there and see for yourself what it is like and stop getting your information about the West from Television shows.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

if you ever open a shop..we can give out a BIG stack of your business cards at the airport curb to all the females who walk out, so they can hand one out to whomever is leering at them and they can tell them "where to go..."

reply at airsuplly's and attack qatar in the process.

I'll say it again and for the last time..SHOW me where I mentioned QATAR??????...I mentioned the region....which part don't you understand?

I'm not criticizing Qatar; somebody asked me what I thought of the sex craved workers and I replied.....you have taken this completely out of context...I don't know why I bother...good bye

on what is going on in the country they live. Don't get offended so easily. The vast majority of QLrs comments are targeted towards solving problems and not just criticising. If you think that Qatar's progress depends only on it's own people you are wrong. See things with a wider angle. We, expats are equally interested for progress in the country we live. Most of us are even proud of Qatar's achievements!

May the roof above us never fall in, and may the friends below never fall out!

Swissgirl we have a partner. u r in Muchacha...25 , 25 for u too and 50 for me...Me going to London on 20th ......From tomorrow booking will b started.....SOHO here I come....May God have mercy on me.

Take care and enjoy it.

:-D

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

V can use ur help in getting the things smuggled in Doha and I can take care of distribution......sales no problem......know I lot of preverts .......u could not fill up the demand....this way u can visit home frequently.what do ya say 50....50 profit sharing

LOL lot of silly things .gotto go and hit the gym....luv u guys and gals.....lovely bunch out there

I want to be the first one to open one!!! There seems to be a huge market in Doha, It would be great business. I could even open a chain, like Butterfly´s summers or something...

$$$

U have a GR* sense of humour. Would u like to invest in such a store? For MEN ONLY... ;-(

LOL.How funny thought of having a sex shop in Doha.Smile.Good idea but i think that would never happen.Or for sure not in the near future.

:-D

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

but then we'd be stared out because they were looking for blow up valves...

Nothing can justify what they do........May b they should open up a sex store with all the dolls etc. Free for labourers. Do u think this will ease their frustration and make life easier for women?

You can criticize Qatar all you want. In fact I'd participate if i find it objective. But when you replay at airsuplly's and attack qatar in the process.It's not like we're not aware of our own problems.

The workers problems are discussed daily by qataris by the way, either in local newspaper (one qatari writer in particular called nora al-saad)and in a live talk show in Qatar radio called "My beloved country, good moring"

From previous comments that I have read, Genesis is very critical of his own country and he comes across as having a progressive and open to criticism mentality. Just a feeling...

Guess it was just a silly and baseless rumour then, but If that´s the most ridicule thing you have ever heard, wait until I tell you that rumour I also heard about HIV infeccted Melons!!! LOL.

Thanks for answering.

Oh and genesis, why should I keep Qatar out of it? We are living in Qatar, talking bout Qatar, so whats your problem?

I'll tell you the difference between people like you and I. You can criticize my county (Australia) until you turn blue, hell I do it all the time....that's how countries progress...with constructive criticism.

Thats the most ridicules thing i've ever heard.

Qataris infected with HIV are not hospitalized. They continue to live there normal life( with consultation in the HIV clinic/Preventive health Dept with access to medication like the cocktail be given) unless they develop AIDS and needed to be admitted.

Ummm....can you show me where I actually mentioned Qatar and Aids in the same sentence???? I didn't I said this region!!

Seems like we had this same conversation awhile back concerning what women should and should not be allowed to do. It will take sometime, I was mightily impressed in Jordan with how much progress they had made but the Gulf is decades behind.

Oh and wasn't there an article in the press last month that the middle east has the fastest growing infection rate for HIV outside Africa? Anyway just my filthy two'penth.

NB AirSuplly, 'high horse' was my phrase and it's trademarked. :P

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

Well I don't know about me being sane....how do we define sanity anyhow?...I think I'll leave that one to another thread...LOL..

Moving along.

I agree with you, they are starved for sex, and it is so sad to see but also very frustrating being a woman and having to put up with guys constantly foaming at the mouths every time you leave the house.

These poor men are living a nightmare here in Qatar, something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Honestly, I don't have an answer to this one. Maybe if they had more rights and there were workplace laws in Doha, something could be done about it.

Its the old thing of, the more something is forbidden the more that you want!

there is an enormous difference between looking and leering/making advances and comments. Its like being stalked all day long,no matter where you are, what you wear, or if you don't look at them. NOTHING give a man the right to do that to a woman..NOTHING. As far as the x rated movie and the inability to vent his libido..to that I say bullhocky!!!! That's like letting a kid watch a movie about killing and then when he does it, ohh well, he watched this movie and had no outlet for his anger..It leads to other things, usually more violent. Besides, there are other outlets for libido than harrassing women going about their daily business.

*smiles and skips away with her mini skirt to a dark alley* :P

Enjoy!

I once heard that if you are a qatari and found to have been infected with Aids, you can face jail or deportation...do you know if that´s true???

(Not trying to open a debate, just out of curiosity really...)

I wanted to replay to you in the previous thread when you mention that HIV cases are not recorded.

(Qatar STD statistics are recorded and sent to the WHO)

In fact there is the exact figure of HIV/AIDS patients published.

Please you can argue all you want with Airsuplly, but keep Qatar out of it, he’s not even a qatari

is a disease of the community, and at such a level in the GCC that you are incorrect in claiming moral superiority.

for that matter, i would call the way people here drive a "disease of the community" as well. hard to feel that community goodness when half the city would sooner kill you in a car accident than spend an extra 5 seconds in their SUV.

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U seem to b a sane head......what do u think of my logic. May b it contributes and not the only factor. The labourers ( I am not talking about some sick people) are not exposed to such things in their previous life.

forget about it.

Some crazy people here think I am defending men who do the harrassment.

All I want to say is that diseases of the community are very very minimal in the GCC compared to the rest of the world, and people should appreciate that

i never said the west was safer (from a crime perspective).

i will readily talk about and admit to the problems that my country deals with. will you?

my wife studied english in the UK. there were many arab students there. and almost all of them were down at the pub, trying to pick up girls, and do all the things that you say don't happen here.

in my time in egypt, my honest egyptian friends would tell me about all the young egyptian boys/men who would engage in sexual acts with each other because they couldn't find it anywhere else.

human nature is such that if you take something away, people will find a replacement, arab or not.

if it takes repressing women to lower the birthrate among unwed mothers, then start raising hell because i don't agree with that. it takes 2 to tango, and i find in many countries men impose a solution on women as opposed to accepting their share of the responsibility.

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Your the one who should be kept hidden and locked away with comments like that. I just realised your on my buddy list..LOL....well not for very long.

Girls, girls, girls.....try to ignore Airsupply....I mean come on, here is a guy who thinks this region is Aidsless, Crimeless and what other garble did you come up with? Keep living in your fantasy world :p

Islam does not condone men staring at women like 'meat", nor does it force any woman into covering up...unless u become a muslim woman then its is ordained by god...otherwise..each to their own...Infact in islam it says to men and women "lower your gaze"..when it comes to the opposite sex and dont stare...so pls dont confuse these idiot men with islam..because if they were true believing muslims, they wouldnt be staring at women whether they r covered or not....Its is a shame that some muslim men represent Islam in a bad way.....

i suggest you start seeing a psychiatrist to put you on prozak. Seriously you're suffering from inferiority complex

But it´s so true...at least that´s how we see it in my country (wich receives a huge influx of inmigrants) ...and I sort of understand that it is a different culture that sometimes can judge the morality of a woman from they amount of flesh that she is showing... I don´t consider myself a "westener", term that I hate, and I don´t look down to other cultures from "a high horse", I´m just saying how things are perceived from my point of view...

Women are a precious thing more precious than gold. That's why they have to be covered up.

Ok that's one reason, the other being male insecurity and a paternal society. I have argued before about the use of religion as an excuse to repress women which is my main objection to it.

My Fiancée has been harassed and accosted on numerous occasions infact so many that she doesn't even bother to mention it. The other day whilst wondering about this very subject I asked her about it and she said oh some Jordanian Guy was following me around food palace asking for my number and the usual hassle. She has had numbers put under the windscreen wiper of the car all that sh!te.

Airsupply does seem to be in denial, but I know what its like to be ganged up on here. So I won't add fuel to the fire, just to say that I agree with Gypsy et al. Assaults and sexual abuse are not reported or ignored, I imagine quite a few girls here would make formal complaints about behaviour of some guys here but think what is the point.

Scarlett Dear I am not defending what they do them but.........

May b its frustration for being away from their families.......to say it a simpler.....starved 4 sex.

Secondly different norms of the society I guess. Some poor guys have not seen a women out of veil except their own (if he is married). For eample wearing loud make-up on the streets is considered vulgar in some parts of the world but here u see it is very common ( full make-up while on a shopping spree )

Thirdly due to X rated movie channels allowed in Qatar. How do u expect a guy to behave after watching a movie( unfortunately starring western women) and with no outlet to vent his libido.

You wanna discuss that women are free to wear what they like & that it is nasty to harrass them, I will totally agree with you & will support you, and will suggest ways to prevent this.

You wanna tell me that the "west" is a "safer" place to be and that there is no problem at all in having babies out of wedlock, I will raise hell on you

You had some sense in your 1st message & you are losing it up now:

"most of the arabs that come to my country, that they see a woman walking with a miniskirt and they think they have the right to approach her or see her as "cheap meat"

This is the problem with the "westerners". They always say nasty things about arabs & think of them as sex maniac & try to judge them from high horses. You need to get down from your high horses & try to see the reality of people, or else we can ride our higher horses to prove to you that we are stronger & we can teach you to behave in case no one has taught you.

At least you are mistaken with me as an arab. I have never treated any woman (western or non-western) as cheap meat no matter what she dressed. Actually I have noticed that western women, themselves, are the ones who try to offer their meat to me! (never experienced that from arab women)

As for your community accepting single mothers, well I think there is something wrong with your community & we will do our best here to prevent our community from catching such diseases, and prefer to have harrassment than single pregnant girls

i guess i had that one coming...

but my argument stands...

i lived in egypt for 2 years and now here, and both places are incredibly safe in my opinion - so on that i agree with you.

what you need to understand is that men harrassing women can make them feel unsafe. while the percentage of men who do this and would never take it further is most likely incredibly high, every time it happens some women will wonder if this is one of the crazies who will go further.

i agree that doha is very safe, but it needs to go further in creating a society that respects women more, which will make women feel as safe as men.

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hmmmmmmmmm

consideration the respect I have for the country in which I am in...which here, means that I wear longer pants, cover my upper arms and show very little chest area. I comply with that and still doesn't matter, friendz...wish it did...

and...its not just the expats that have experienced this..I've seen the guys staring at the covered up women as well...so can you explain that one?

then I don´t suscribe to it. I would never compare a human being with an object, no matter how precious or valuable the thing is.

It beats me that women should be "hidden", as you put it. But each to their own. As long as I don´t have to hide, then I´m happy :)

There is no difference at all. Everyone has a different reason to complain about a place, and your answer to him was to go back home if he didn't like it in the south!

I didn't say you had a high horse. I only think that "don't mess with texas" comes from arrogant people.

OK go now & complain to whoever you like!

Withnail, OK I will be honest with you: I HAVE A HUGE WILLY

Really, don't bother with him. It's a waste of time.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

it is simple thing. if some gold item is present in the middle of the way without any security everybody passing around will something in heart to steal that, even one have morality and principle by own. But if that gold is hiden or present with his owner nobody will even have thinking to steal that. Same case is for women as per teaching of islam. Women are like gold and even more precious than gold and diamonds. they should keep theirself hidden because they are not the public property. and if they do same nobody will have such strange looks towards them......

what do you thing??????????

"To claim that you feel "safer" walking in Canada or any other place than here, does that mean you prefer to be raped in your country (as this is a very common incident) than being looked at by men here"

No, it means that in my country, I am aware of which areas are safe and avoid the areas that aren´t. In Doha, chances are that you will get some nasty comment or stare from the minute you step out of your door, and I don´t live in a particularly dangerous or secluded area. Sorry, I cannot relate to the other part, that´s not so common where I´m from, but single parents are accepted by society.

I have never worn a miniskirt or strapless top in Qatar, because I know I would put myself at risk and in uncomfortable situations. However, yes, I am crazy about clothes, including miniskirts, shorts and bikinis..., which I wear regularly in my own country...but no, the idea isn´t to look like cheap meat. I´m sorry that you have that mentality. That´s the problem with most of the arabs that come to my country, that they see a woman walking with a miniskirt and they think they have the right to approach her or see her as "cheap meat".

If you go back to my previous messages in this thread & previous threads, I have never denied that there are no nasty men (a lot of them) who harrass women, here. BUT......"safety" is a big word. To claim that you feel "safer" walking in Canada or any other place than here, does that mean you prefer to be raped in your country (as this is a very common incident) than being looked at by men here? Do you prefer as a woman to be left pregnant in the streets of your country after being abandoned by your boyfriend, being kicked out of his flat, rejected by your parents (these are all common cases in the west) than being harrassed by some men here which you have the power to chase away in seconds?

Why would any woman dare talk about being "cheap meat" if she is crazy about wearing mini skirt & strapless in public? Isn't this the idea? To look like cheap meat?

OK, lets discuss the ways to put a stop to the nasty men here who harrass women, but DONT lie to me (I dont mean YOU) and tell me that you come from a safer place than here. If you do this, then I will prove to you that you are lying & I will have to use with you the principal that I learned from scarlette: "if you don't like it here then you can buzz off" (at that time she said that a lot of the northern yankkies are coming south due to the job oppertunities) (same here)

Airsupply, I would appreciate it if you are going to use my words, please get them correct and in the CORRECT context. Also..I NEVER yell at anyone..I very quietly say things...because the angier I get, the quieter I speak. I have never thought I was better than anyone else, nor do I ever get on a "high horse". Now..that's the last I have to say to you. But...you keep it up and I will contact Qatari and see what he can do...and that's a promise not a threat.

each and every time you walk out the door.

sorry..laughing here..so what you wear causes someone to think you are cheap meat..ohh my gosh..have we regressed back to the 50's where its the woman's fault for being raped????? My my..I wore a pair of blue jeans that came to my ankles and a shirt that covers every inch of me...no WONDER I was raped!!!

now...Scarlett is saying this...(NOT airsupply...who, again..if you are going to quote me..get it RIGHT), If you don't like it here, leave and go home...BUT....(and this was taken out of context)...it was said because he was just complaining about the heat and all...NOT because he was being sexually harrassed...HUGE difference and different situation.

you say women shouldn't care about being looked at and harrassed, but i wonder how you would act if a group of women laughed at you, grabbed at you, told you you had a tiny willy, or did other disrespecful things of that nature.

if you're honest, you'll tell us it would bother you, and you would admit that the solution to this is not that women should toughen up.

the fact that the women in doha are not being raped does not justify the behaviour they are receiving from rednecks of various backgrounds and cultures.

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See who is calling names now?

sent you a long reply there you "pathetic" thing but was not able to load it because the "bright/intelligent" administration here has locked the thread. Some people just can't handle the truth.

Look who is talking about hatred & anger? A supporter of the U.S troops in Iraq!!! (We are hunting your boys & girls 1 after the other, ma'am)

Why not u and can meet and I wil decide if Chong is right or wrong? But u have to come wearing the mini and strapy top......lol Dont hit me please I am too old....

It happened to my wife and it will happen again.She is not western. But at least now she knows how to deal with it once and for all. these guys are trying to rape you with their eyes.

When I first raised the issue in this website, about two years ago nobody seemed to agree with me. I was pretty much accused of making up stories. It´s nice to see that I´m not the only one, that it happens to most women in Qatar.

I really don't know Gypsy is coming from "Eastern" or "Western" side of Canada but she got a point. They are more prone to harrasement in here for sure. as for reising a child by her own that is her right and she is free to choose what ever the way she wants to beacause she is the one who faces conseqances by the end of the day. none of us.

any of u know the band cradle of filth?

all these reminds me them:)

Airsuplly cant agree with anything you say as you are all trash/filth/insects in his eyes out to corrupt where ever he is.

Still waiting.......guess you cant. Pathetic! End of.

I don't go to mythical places with strange men.

-- Douglas Adams, The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul.

nothing you say is going to penetrate the hatred and anger...

As far as the rest of you, especially the guys..until you experience it, you have no idea what its like...its horrible to be stared at every single time you go out anywhere. Its happened when I am even with my husband in a very public cafeteria (and yes, totally covered up). Its not just looking as some of you guys say..its mentally undressing you and that's just not an acceptable way to be. To compare it with rape ridiculous..but if its not addressed, it can very quickly escalate to that level. What's been noted is that the crime rate IS going up in Qatar. That includes sexual ones. Ladies, be safe, please..do NOT be lulled into that false sense of security that nothing ever happens here. Do what you would do back home, be aware and pay attention.

I have never experienced it from a Qatari however..but some of the other men..geezzzzz...

So these claims are raised by an "Eastern" Canadian?

Are all the false claims, lies and ugly complaints about life in Qatar coming from "Eastern/arab/oriental" expats?

From my own experience, I can honestly say tht harrassment in Doha is extemely common. As a woman who often walks alone, I have been followed, intimidated and stared regularly. I don´t feel that it is unsafe, just very uncomfortable, and quite frankly, that does not happen in Europe.

Sure, there are many unsafe areas in Europe (in most cities, including my own) that I wouldn´t dare to enter, but open harrasment in public places such as busy streets, simply does not occur. I´m not trying to compare Doha to any other European city because that would be pointless, I´m just saying that the behaviour of many residents in Qatar towards women is pathetic, and that must be acknoledged and hopefully dealt with one day.

Can we stop Western bashing here. This thread got nothing to do with being a Western

Claims are to be supported by documents in order to be valid facts. So you have to provide documentation that Qatar is not reporting such incidents, otherwise you are just making unsupported claims which I can simply refrence them to a "typical hatred that some western people have to the pure & peaceful community life here"...and I don't need any documentation, too.

I can guide you to the supreme council of family affairs here, in case you wanted to have figures about the "amount of rape & children out of wedlock" here in Qatar, as you claim

haha if i have some ability to guess how a person looks like from his/her posts i think gypsy looks good. or at least she has her own style..

but i agree with chong. thats the main reason why guys are more offensive at mid east..

heh.. and it also makes girls offensive here:)

Eng Chong I can hit you too. :P

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Also who cares how many children are born out of wedlock?? I know a couple of women here in Canada who had children on their own by choice, and are raising them just fine. I have every intention of becoming a single mom in a few years if I don't marry. Who cares as long as the child is wanted.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

I confirm my statement Azilana7037. I have seen her. butt ugly:)

Air Suply, surely an "educated" man like yourself knows that the statistics of a country are only good if they are reported. There's rape and children out of wedlock in Qatar, probably a lot more then anyone would like to admit, they just aren't reported.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Now...now...now...Eng Chong...not right...not right....hmmmmmm

in Canada there are plenty of pretty ones for a man to score but in doha you seldom get a chance to see a girl. even that you only see ugly ones like you. what a doha man can do?

where to go to make a comparison between then number of rape incidents in Doha & in Canada, and also the rate of children born outside marriage between Doha & Canada.

If the figures will support your claims, then I will be the 1st one to say that Doha is a very scary & ugly place to be for women. But if the figures will support my claims, then who gives a damn how men look ate you in Doha as long as they are not raping you or having you pregnant without marriage?

you hit back too damn ok i give up u take ur shot :(

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Go ahead DaRude but I hit back. :P

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

hi there how r u doing bandit.

do u mind if i punch ur nose PLEASE :D

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Funny how the only sexual assaults that I've ever experienced in my life have been in Doha, and not my "very dangerous" country. :P

Went out the other day grocery shopping in a mini skirt and strappy tank top. No one gave me a second glance, much less a dirty look or asked me how much I cost. I can't go out in Doha in Jeans and a long sleeved shirt without getting harassed.

Went out with friends to a bar, didn't get hit on once. It was lovely!

I feel much safer walking around in Canada then I do in Doha. I find that the men don't look at you like your a piece of meat.

"I fight with love and I laugh with rage, you have to live light enough to see the humor and long enough to see some change." Ani Difranco

Thx for your nice words about Swiss.Smile.Normaly it is a safe Coutry but we also have our problems with youth crime,hooligans,dealers,prostitution and the difference between rich and poors.You should know,Switzerland is the same expensive as Doha,the prices for houses,appartements and others are equal,the petrolprices are horrible and we have to pay to much taxes and fees for the state.LOL.But also because of this i can say Switzerland is a beautyful and peaceful coutry and we try to give all visitors and guests a good feeling while they are here.

:-)

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

for being fair.

Actually this issue has been discussed earlier with another member (not herne). We all gave that member advices on how to deal with some nasty men here. At that time, Oryx had a remarkable comment which I agree with 100%: most (nearly all) of these nasty men are not Qataris. They are expats (mostly arabs).

To be fair, Qataris maybe somewhat arrogant in driving, or when it comes to line & queus and other aspects of daily life, but they are very polite when it comes to women & when people need help in the street (men or women).

When I 1st arrived here in 2000, they gave me a car after 1 day & I was lost in every street I drive in. I usually used to park on the road shoulder & stop Qatari men to ask them about directions. They were so helpful, they would drive a head of you to guide you even if they hade to change their original route, they were insisting on having a meal with them before you head to where you are going. I really enjoy the simplicity & kindness of such cultures. It is so sad that development & technology eliminates such things from a society, and everybody become consumed in their own business that we forget to give a smile to others.

I was not trying to hurt herne or disrespect her, but I felt that my answer was the perfect answer for her claim

You should send me photos of Switzerland. I think it is one of the most beautiful countries in the world (I am shocked that you tell me it has some dangerous places)

Thanks for the flowers.Smile.Well i try to do my best thats all and to respect the meanings from others.

And why 39?Well when i used this nick for the first time i was in that age. :-D

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

I am a male........yes u can laugh gypsy....it is safe...it will help u unwind.....Relax guys and gals. We r here to discuss things not judge other people or communities or regions. I think swissgal39 is the most balanced person in QL ofcourse after me.....But I wonder why 39...were u born in 1839??

I can say also here in Switzerland are some places i would never go alone as a female.Especially at night.But never had this feeling in Doha so for myself i can say Doha is safer then my homecountry.

Regards from Swiss.

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

Who is "we"? Why have you included yourself in my words to herne? Why are you denying that she said that life is safer in Europe? What does this mean?:

"It was such a relief to go back to europe....It's so uncomfortable that i can't even walk on the streets alone. I used to walk a lot in all my life, and here i just can't"

You can not divide the issue (life safety) into rape and "low level petty harrassment". You either consider life to be "a relief in Europe" or not. You can not chose issues/subjects/items. It is a whole life.

I never said that herne is not a sweet person. Actually you are failing to see that I addressed her with "with all due respect". I would be glad to help her in any embarrassing situation she might face in the street even if I had to fight my own people, but it is also rude (we arabs consider it disrespect) when you are being hosted as a "guest" in someone's home & you start complaining about this home & and wish that you go back to your own home (which we all know that it is not that perfect), while actually no one is holding you back from going back home.

There is a big difference between:

1."I am so much annoyed with harrassment here" and

2."I am so much annoyed with harrassment here. Europe is such a safe place" (which is not true & insulting to the totally safe country here)

We can discuss item (1) as adults, but we are gonna argue badly about item (2). This is how some people provok us without knowing.

As for portugal, switzerland & italy...well I can give you more dangerous examples about places in London & Amesterdam

Have a lovely day...or what's left of it

my girl friend???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????

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Sorry ur girlfriend told me to stay away from you and let all the situation be handled by Nathan else am going to break his neck :D

na am not man she is kiddin.

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Darude...

Please reply me about owen's clarification (CID)

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Are we supposed to laugh??

if she(he) really is a female and then lesbian too then thinkable hmmm hmm hehehe

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Darude...is it correct what owen saying...

If so, please look into my personal matter...

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if i remember it right, somebody told me that darude here is involve with CIDS..i don't know..with the way he thinks..:P

DaRuDe...

You have a dedective mind...keep it up...

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R u female (lesbian).??

coz ur pro says male should be (gay) isnt it.

or is it that u are male and u just think of females 24/7 :/

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Amigo...one change...

Women are the best (creation) God has ever created!!!!

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in about half an hours time....hope to have some more courageous cowboys standing besides me...lol

There was a old cowboy sitting in a bar when one young blond approaches him and asks, R u a real cowboy? Well I have been breeding colts, doing horses, taking care of cattle, making barns etc etc all my life..I guess thats make me real cowboy.The cowboy then asks the lady, what do u do mam?....Well I am a lesbian. I think of women all the time. When I wake up I think of women, when I am in a shower I think of women, When I am having food I think of women etc etc. The women goes away and the cowboy remains sitting in a pensve mood....the bar tender asks him jokingly, well r u a real cowboy then? The old man replies.... well all my life I thought I was but today I realised that actually I am a Lesbian...

I must admit I am a lesbian too.......lol any others????

ohhhkkk..let's not generalize here...there are some (actually i met a lot of them) who are kind, sweet and sensitive..it's just a matter of how you are being perceived here as an individual..

we just have to deal intelligently with these kind of jerks..intelligently (?)..did i say that?..oh well..:P

Many???Like dogs????I disagree.I would say some.And to be honest,how would be the world wihtout men?And i know for sure some womans act the same.Stare at good looking bodys,smiling...and so on.Woman and men are sometimes verry equal.So i think it is not right only to judge the men.

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spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

Ofcourse all men are not the same but

I think there is a lot of difference in cultures. People from this part of the world find it very embarassing when they goto europe and see couples kissing etc. in public and likewise people from the west feel awkward when they see men hugging and nose touching and hand holding in public.

To all men and women who think men are different in Europe

Dont u ponder why all the anti harassment (protection of women) laws are in place in Europe in the first place.....

perverts are everywhere. they are like cockroaches just don't go away. you get rid of one but more keep on coming.

no need to shout just calmly take a photo - cold silence can be a lot scarier then shouting.

go on spout all the stats you want...airsupply

we are talking about harrassment not sexual assault

we didn't say life is safer in europe and were aren't talking about gross sexual assult but low level petty harrassment which is absolutely minimal in europe and it isn't here

it isn't as dangerous but this petty harrassment can really wear you down some days.

you are not a women... we are relating our experiences -

'go back to where you come from' attitude isn't helpful' and rather rude to herne who is a lovely contributer to QL

just been to switzerland italy and portugal.

it was a very cleansing experience.

I could walk with my head up - look people in the eyes and smile and engage in pleasantries

... here too many people would think I was coming on them

its not only you that this sort of situation happened also to me but one Qatari friend told me that i should shout HARAMI if I cannot scare them away on the act that i'm calling the police...but don't worry they will not harm you they are also scared of the consequences once they are proven guilty....

Listen to the advices from Oryx & they will go away. Actually here once you raise your voice & be seriously shouting at them, they will quickly disappear. They are so scared from the police & from other decent people who will stop to help you against them.

I actually can't believe that it is not safe here & I disagree with you when you say:

"It was such a relief to go back to europe, and if anybody smiles on my, i dont get suspicious, because i know, they don't want anything"

"these bastard harassing women, and unfortunately there are a lot from them. It's so uncomfortable that i can't even walk on the streets alone. I used to walk a lot in all my life, and here i just can't"

If you check the records, you would find that the rate of crime & rape is almost 0% here compared to tens of thousands of cases in Europe.

Here you can walk all alone (even wearing shorts) at 2am on the corniche road (for example) & you'd feel 100% safe while in many countries in Europe you'd be raped, mobbed, attacked..etc.

So, with all due respect, my answer to your above comments would be:

If you think that life is dangerous here & that your Europe is safe, then go back to your Europe...and stay there!

Well,men harassing woman?Wellcome in the real world.Smile.

Normally i do ignore it and smile for myself about this poor,little...

:-D

*Create your own destiny,fighting against your dark sides,raise your

spirituality.Every day is a new day.A new life.

Keep the faith!*

If men will be men - then you must find it perfectly acceptable if your husband goes up to women and harrasses them and you don't mind.

would you bring your son up to do this?

would you bring up your daughter to accept this behaviour?

I really hope for your sake that is not true and that you have a good loving husband that helps you change your cynical view.

if you don't then you deserve a lot better.

it would also be magnanimous if you could apologise to some of the QL gentlemen please.

did i say anything "nasty"?..hmmmm, strange..:P

Now you really scared me!!! :)

what u guys up to now.

volta what nasty details u got about me??

strange

herne u better dont mess with Da Ru De :D

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I will PM it all to you..;D..

For hating dogs it a real good reason to kick your ass Darude!!! :)

So Owen just tell me the dirty details about him! :)

Dont listen to volta she is wrong

listen to me i am right

I love Wolf

i hate Dogs.

:)

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there are A LOT of reasons for you to hate and kick Darude here..:P

I will tell you once we meet up again..what ya say?..:D

hmm yea i am wolf lover and dog hater :D

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I'm not going to kick you dear...I don't have reason, do I? :D

I think the men here cannot differentiate if a women is lookin or otherwise. It is alright if u make a pass if she is in a bar etc. but if u r walking ur poor dog and they harass u my idea is to get in so that the dog makes mess and u both get thorwn out..;)

u a kick boxer damn am not goin to meet u never ever :/

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I agree with you too. Kicking is a good idea, I am doing kick box aerobic, so I really like kicking, but it's not enough against them. Especially not in my flip-flop. :)

and my dog is so small, that it doesnn't matter whether she barks, because she is as little as a cat, so she can't scare them away. And she never bites anybody! Never! :)

But carrying my cell phone and imitate to take picture is a good idea. Earlier I imitated to write the car number of those who stopped bye and didn't want to leave, this was also useful.

but this man are usually just alone there.

I don't know darude if kicking would be useful! :) I can kick, but they must be stronger than I am.

not fair u agree with her

u not agree with me

:( not fair i wont play with u now :`(

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It was such a relief to go back to europe, and if anybody smiles on my, i dont get suspicious, because i know, they don't want anything.

and dear men here, don't get me wrong, there are really lots of nice people here, i am speaking about these bastard harassing women, and unfortunately there are a lot from them. It's so uncomfortable that i can't even walk on the streets alone. I used to walk a lot in all my life, and here i just can't.

I also met with many nice qatari men, and from other nations as well. At least this makes me appreciate them too.

I am sorry that is a really sexist comment and not accurate in my opinion.

You can't generalise about men like that... there are heaps of lovely men.

If you make that comment

a) you justify the behaviour

b) you make it acceptable

d) there will be no change

e) why should the nice men get tarnished by the actions of others...

its like saying all muslims are......... or all black people are....

Men are certainly not like this in other countries.. and I have been everywhere including places where a white western female is not a common sight. For example little villages in northern sudan where i was only treated with absolute courtesy and kindness.

anything related to men behavior in this. Following ladies and ask them for their phone numbers or how much? This is just cheap and it does not represent the men community, your hand fingers are not the same and so people also.

Hi DaRuDe

The problem is - these idiots put you 'on guard' and make you suspicious. For me it does brush off on my personality and if someone nice says something I can become like a hedgehog... quite defensive and not too gracious.

This is why it was so great to go to Europe I just felt all this stress and defensiveness and roughness just melt away.

It is hard to stay serene and lovely with the aggressive driving and constant staring and remarks.

but it does make me super appreciate all the gentlemen in my life who are lovely.

Many men including Qataris are disgusted that us girls get this treatment... it makes them furious. I was 'solicited' in Hamad Hossie car park on thursday morning. I took out my phone took a picture of the plate.

A Qatari pulled up - and asked if I was ok and if i needed help.

he could see what had happened and he was angry.

I was fine - but the offer was kind.

I think us girls should carry an Egal with 'tails' so we can just whip them with it if they come near! :)

It doesn't matter if they educated or just labourers......western or eastern.......they have a BIG mental BLOCK when it comes to women. It beats me.

--dp--

will u do that same with me tell me tell me so i will come in abaya covered and i will say lady police hands up :D

Goodmorning Ory

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if the barking doesn't work...teach him to bite..but i know how little your dog is..they will just kick the poor pup..

yup, pretend that you are calling your husband or police..let them know that you are in touch with somebody..

i know how hard it is, that's why i'd rather stay at home..:(

Really hmmm hmm i prefer you learn playing football so u can kick the balls hard. :D damn ah get ur dog a bit lil longer string so they wont come near you. but when i come get a short string ok.

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Well I am new in Doha....do I have to b extra careful here in Doha....what r the do's and dont's for a women in Doha.

Carry your mobile phone

just take a picture

I delete the picture after but it works.

if you want to say anything:

police / shorta (arabic)

go away / imshee

i say it calmly - with a cold stare that could crack stone.

teach the dog to bark loudly!

tw&ts like this give their gender a bad name.