the Islam is the complete religion and we being muslim trust and believe on the things which we have even not seen, but are told to us.
they are told to us by the person (Prophet Muhmmmad PBUH)who is the most trusted person by all the religions. So the pork is Forbiden in ISLAM is the call from the same person.
If any muslim eats the pork then???? All the non muslims are welcomed to eat any thing they want.
Cheers
"when u r free to chose ur actions u r not free to chose the consequeces of the actions"
i `m sorry for u Platao36 cause these spritual things u r into it in my religion it`s tottaly forbiden besides it won`t ever make things better but anyway u r free to use ur mind which is better for u in life and after death.
Aemin: Why are you sorry? Yes I agree that some Hadeeth were made by some enemies of the true muslims, christans or jews, the main prob with holly books is that all the contradictions shown on them happen because they were all written by humans
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Hi all of u, first of all and with my respect to all other religions as mine tells me not to diffrentiate between any of God`s apostles.
Al-Baqara - Sura 2 - Ayat 285
2:285 The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believes in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) The forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
and from the human`s rights that every body can do whatever he wants as long as he don`t hurt others iwant to tell u that if u want to eat pork or drink alcohols do it but without saying "Why Pork is forbidden in Islam" cause it`s not only islam all religions prohibit pork and alcohols so stop fooling others drink and eat whatever u want u r free i m not having a problem with that as also my religion tells me.
Al-Baqara - Sura 2 - Ayat 256
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
so sorry for this long intro.........................
Let`s start first with dmigtysolomon:
The phrase is "[Leviticus 11:7]
and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you".
This is the New American Standard Bible.
To understand it ;better read it in the Basic English Bible.
[Leviticus 11:7]
"And the pig is unclean to you, because though the horn of its foot is parted, its food does not come back."
ask urself if u tell ur kid this food is unclean for u isn`t it means don`t eat it ????
and anyway u can complete my comment to c more.
--hey timtan & baby phat everybody in this world present only himself not his religion--
baby phat i won`t argue with u in ur belives as i said b4 u r free to understand the wine phrase as u want but for ur arguing in the word PIG take this:
Isaiah 65:4
They sat among the graves and spent their nights in caves. They ate pork and in their pots made broth from unclean foods.
Isaiah 66:17
"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD.
by the way i`m totally with u in ur phrase
"it is not of religion, it is a choice of the person how he handleS his body and is totally UP TO HIM! if you wish to try, go ahead, nobody is stopping you nor forcing you to." thanks
--janeyjaney ur friend is a,she`s free beside i ve many non muslims don`t drink and hate pork and they r a very good people i respect them much--
Platao36 i`m sorry for u but what i want also to say to know islam well know it from Qoran only cause may u got some faked hadeeth that was made by islam`s enemies and there are many from long long years till these days.
claps for punky i`m with u 100%
RED_POPE "In god we trust"
At the end i want to thank u all for ur time and waitting for ur replies.
I'm a monotheist that's spiritist, God blessed me with the gift of allowing me to talk to the spirits of the dead, so, i got an Ouija table and when someone needs help or wants to talk with someone they loved that has passed away, but i always advise that sometimes some lower level spirits try to pretend that they are someone else.
Certain times i make sessions alone to ask about the universe, and other philosophical matters, i have leurned that if you ask materialistic questions they wont give you much importance and lower levels may play a trick on you.
No, we don't have an holly book and our Church/mosque/sinagoge is the universe, there's no convertion or or disconvertion, you'll be a monotheist when you feal it in your heart, but that doesn't mean that monotheists are the holders of trueth, we are all humans so we also have imperfections but the main thing is, Do unto others what you would like they do to you, i'll give you a link that will help you understand better.
my only take is this: from all walks of religion/beliefs,i may not be an expert but we all know that sometimes,the most religious are the ones who sins the most...
why don't we just respect each other's belief like levelheaded people...
like i don't care if you eat pork/fish/cow or whatever as long as its not mine!!!
"And it is from these hadiths that we get extremely nonsensical & barbaric rules & laws like death penalty for adulterers & apostates (although the Koran does not advocate any such punishment), degradation of women, bizarre dress codes for women, killing of those who insult Muhammad, chopping of hands of thieves etc. I must mention that hadiths also contain many beautiful teachings too. As I said, its a hodge-podge collection ridden with internal contradictions.
Criticism of these fanciful stories in hadiths has always existed right from the beginning but very few muslims care to question its authenticity. They believe that anyone who rejects hadiths and accepts ONLY the Quran is an infidel! You must also realise that most translations of the Quran are also done in the light of these hadiths and in some cases the original meaning of the Quran is twisted to bring it in accord with hadith teachings!"
Yes, but altered texts and contradictions also happen in other religions, and that's why everybody needs to use their brain to think and not only do something because it's written.
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Stealth: Would you shoot yourself if it was written that you should do it at an Holly Book, just like the extremists do?
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Gypsy: lol, i love bacon too and love eating pork meat :)
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johny_boiei: In Europe pork is eaten quite frequently on the other side, it it is said that sheep meet is worst, i belive this is a cultural question and not religious, as in India they don't eat cow meat. In Korea and China, some eat dogs and cats.
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deathmetal said thats right ...
most of pepole whos eating pork getting cancer
and pig the only animal doing sex with them family sister and mother "
DM: So, 95% of European population has cancer?
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3sure-hunk3r said have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? ...
have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? instead of man evolve from the monkeys it is monkeys evolve from man, so as the pig! and in the qur an told us not to eat the flesh of human as well.. something like that ... any way lets get the book and show you where its is..in the pm.."
I think you are confused, evolution says that Humans came from a primate, not an ape, we and ape's are both primates
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That story is so ridiculous, it's just a way for clerigs to justify why ape morfology and pig internal organs are similar and compatible with ours.
People say that God/Allah is love and then he, that it's supposed to be a perfect being, behaves as a human revolted????
If he's perfect, than he's impartial, if he's impartial, why would he use his powers to do something every cleric would like to do to unbelivers of any religion, maybe because the text was written by a cleric?
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Goodluck: Some cientists even say that the Holly bible is a science book and not a religious one.
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Scientists nowadays say that pig meat is even healthier than sheeps.
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Aemin: I'm monotheist, i belive in God/Allah. We don't have an Holly book, Mohamed and Moses were both monotheists too, we know about God because we have a brain to think, we considered him perfect, that means he hasn't any favourites.
Regarding alcohol, i can assure you that in christan churches, the wine is used as a symbol of Jesus blood, just like yhr bread represents his body.
Also God/Allah said: You shall not kill, but Moses and Mohamed killed folks in name of God/Allah.
If He could turn Humans in pigs and hapes why would he need other humans to kill another humans that had a different religion? The same God that destroyed Sodome and Gamorra? The same that splited the waters to allow the israelis to ran from the Egiptians?
oh well, i leave it to you all to use your brains ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
AEAMIN,your comment on CHRISTIANS that we ignore or pretend that alcohol and pigs are forbidden in the HOLY BIBLE is a mockery!
Lord Jesus may have turned water into wine for the occasion WEDDING......WINE mister is a healthy drink since it originated from fruits like grapes, pineapples, etc then comes fermentation process...there were plenty of vineyards days back...plus, when Lord Jesus did this miraculous thing, HE didn't command the people to drink that much and to be DRUNKARDS!!! you are just assuming this probably because of the people you see in this generation regardless of their religion....we must admit the FACT that NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS are fond of drinking....THAT IS THE FACT WHICH SOME OF YOU ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO ADMIT!!!and that is being NAIVE. it is not of religion, it is a choice of the person how he handleS his body and is totally UP TO HIM! if you wish to try, go ahead, nobody is stopping you nor forcing you to.
anything that is beyond normal intake or anything that is too much is of course not healthy thus He says"take good care of the TEMPLE OF GOD" and that temple of God my friend, means the body that was LENT to us by our creator!!!
and as for the SWINE or PIG (as quoted in the HOLY BIBLE), have you really seen a person in his right mind that would endulge in PIG???? HAHAHA coz pig means LIVE PIG wandering in your background. We my friend endulge in PORK (which only means, cooked pig). PIG and PORK are two different things. another thing, that SWINE/PIG that was quoted in the HOLY BOOK was fairly unclean...""WAS"" which means to say, at that time it was unclean (that is why it was written in the OLD Testament) centuries ago and don't forget to quote the NEW Testament that there's nothing unclean that comes into the mouth, unclean comes OUT of the mouth....and I would happily elaborate to you that this only means that only those coming from the Human's mouth/body is unclean, ie.dirty words, dirty deeds, obsene thinking et al.
i will eat pork pork pork pork pork and pork!!!!!!!!!!
so what??? ignorant people rely and very much fooled by this nonsense video...
an intellectual, well-educated person relies on reliable sources (ie., encyclopedia etc)
whereas, IGNORANT, mal-educated people (people of today), just rely on hearsays, gossips and baseless articles/info from things like YOU TUBE!!! these people are just naive and fooling themselves coz i've known how much some if not most of them just love eating PORK...let's see....right after landing london or US, their mouth waters just to grab a """HAM-burger""" coz they've tasted it before...and they just couldn't stop!!!! say what??? that's right honey, once tasted, you'll end up craving for it! oh yeah...go ahead, come on nobody sees you anyway you're in london.....free to eat whatever you've been wanting....hehehehjhahahahahaha
so know what? if you really don't like it, then don't!!!! but please...bloody please just don't PRETEND!
isn't it also forbidden to drink, smoke, or even having extra-curricular affairs (yup you what i mean...) oh sorry it may not be very understandable for some...it's the ILLICIT RED HOT CHILI SIDE DISH famous to both men n women of today...and to make it clearer "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife and thou shalt not commit adultery"
but hey, NEWSFLASH!!! this is rampant and obviously happening in the society...so please don't be naive!
Hi all it was very interesting to read all these comments about why pigs was forbidden in islam and it was like i m reading jokes cause i found many of u trying to be smart and getting some scintefic reason for that so for my opinion when GOD SAYS IT`S FORBIDDEN I DON`T NEED A SCINTEFIC REASON FOR HIS WORDS.
Ok we have two kind of people here some are religionistic and others that don`t blieve in god so if u don`t beleive in god don`t waste ur time in completing this comment ,but if u got any other religion sit and read what i m saying.
first of all i won`t talk about why it was forbidden in islam cause muslims are totally convinced about alcoholics and pigs "they are forbidden" .
i ll talk about the christian cause many of christian either they ignore or pretend that they don`t know that pigs and alcoholics are also forbidden in the Bible.
my words ends here the rest i ll leave it for the Bible words.
But first i d like to answer a question any christian will ask till this stage the question is:
If so, why did Jesus turn water into wine at a wedding??
Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle in order to have a nice occasion for a wedding feast. He was invited as a guest and it was proper at that time for the host to have plenety of wine for enjoyment.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
[Proverbs 20:1]
"Stop getting drunk with wine, which leads to wild living, but keep on being filled with the Spirit."
[Ephesians 5:18]
nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[1Corinthians 6:10]
In islam alcohols was forbidden in many stages starting from telling not to drink while praying till it was Totally forbidden.
[Leviticus 11:7]
and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.
if the reason to make pigs forbidden for that time cause their was no good & modern butchers ,,,,was they got a modern butchers for lambs and cows!!!! why only pig was mentioned???,,don`t tell me that there was no lambs in this period and it was only pigs :) cause i ll tell u about [Exodus 12:5] :) .
I am welcoming any comments from u all guys and i m waitting.
people! this info is for the benifit of all out of love and care..bec. we dont want you to indulge into something that is not good for health. thats if you believe.
if not well, its your choice! beside the old testment as you say prohibits it, the medical evidence proved its yaks, and again islam say not to eat it.. so if you are going to weigh which one is correct?
common sense very simple.. again no offence
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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."
The original post was about the reason for the prohibition on pork. Allah forbids it ~ I can understand that. Other reasons that have been given to explain this belief further I don't think help and add really no weight to the point.
I am happy to accept it is a religous belief ~ one that I respect but do not agree with.
everything was given to man as food except BLOOD. In the Christian Era, He added as forbidden food aside from BLOOD, ANIMALS THAT DIED WITHOUT BLOOD COMING OUT, AND ANY FOOD THAT WAS PRESENTED OR PRAPARED FOR IDOLS AND FALSE GODS.
So, we eat pork, of course properly cooked.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
believe God turns humans to monkeys or pigs, God created humans out of his love to humanity, he craeted humans in the best shape blessed them with brains to distinguish them from animals and gave them the choice of freedom .. and therefore humans have the brain to learn and distingush the right from the wrong, make their choices and bear the concequences of their choices ..
So this includes choosing faith and religion to deciding to dirnk alcohol or not, eat prok or not ..
But I do not believe that God who created us turns us into pigs or monkeys .. I am sorry .. this may be just symbolic ...or a matter of interpretation ..
In the same time I respect your believes .. no offence
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
it is more logical to comprehend that God turns bad and wrongdoers people into pigs and mokeys,a lower form and disgusting animals as a punishment for them! than we just evolve from that beast into higher form and intillegent being!
.if we believe on this, then we should see at this time could be another human like inteligent being evolve from other wild beast too,let say from gireffe or shark.
logic you contrdict your self bec. u r not logical.. which one you prefer? that God turns man into monkeys or that darwins theory that man comes out from monkeys?
thanks a lot. I am so wanted to know more. related to the religion and the history.
Zenon: i mentioned the evolution bcoz we were taught since childhood that human comes from anthropoid/apes..whatever we call it. and i am trying to link the theory to the religion to find out the truth. or more to say, try to prove everything in the religion is also scientific.
to do research, think, distingush what is right and what is wrong and have freedom to do what we feel best to us..
Therefore if not t eat prok is best for you then that be it if you believe eating prok is fine with you go ahead..
On a historical note the bible in the old testment banned prok, on the new testment when it allowed pork .. as it is what comes out of the mouth that make it dirty not what goes into the mouth ..
Islam adopted the opinion of the old testment ...
So science has nothing to do here and justifications based on science will not come to rescue as it was proven wrong .. it is just what islam has adopted ..
On the other hand, I do n ot believe that God would turn his beloved craetures into pigs and monkeys, and if my brother would be turned into a pig I prefer to eat him rather that let him live his life as a pig ..
Apologies for my long discussion
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
cola was only invented way back 1886 by a pharmacist john pemberton of atlanta georgia, at that time cola is even intended as medicine than a softdrink.
so much about darwin! what i mean about darwins theory of evolution is wrong! he says we human evolve from monkeys for impact quran says monkeys evolve from man!
check the surah above...
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.To those who has absolute belief in quran then this is the truth.
Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting) . And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12)
Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghoot (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."
I also wondered there are so many evidence for Darwin's theory even millions years ago. and how long is the story of Adam and Eve? I did not have enough knowledge to sort it out. but I think the Muslims by birth don't even know abt the theories, so there are no related explainations.
have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? instead of man evolve from the monkeys it is monkeys evolve from man, so as the pig! and in the qur an told us not to eat the flesh of human as well.. something like that ... any way lets get the book and show you where its is..in the pm..
what i am saying in fact correct. some people in the islamic community use it as the justification on the prohition on pork.
I dont eat pork and the reasoning behind my choice is religious. But i understand the root behind the prohition is health related and not because some people got turned in to pigs.
in the quran, there is allegorical story of a tribe of israelites whom god repeatedly warned to stop their ways. After a number of transgressions, god punished them by turning them into pigs.
Again, in light of wisdom and manner in which its written. I am inclined to believe that it is allegorical.
As for religous beliefs - I respect peoples' decisons not to eat certain foods for whatever reason. However what I don't agree with any of the reasons for not eating properly prepared pork. There is abolutley nothing wrong (from a health perspective) with - emphasis added - properly reared, prepared and cooked pork.
It really does someones beliefs no favours when they try to back those beliefs up with sudo-science or factual error.
had any one knew that pigs and monkeys are not of animal origins? that they were human then turn into pigs and monkeys because of their disobidience wrong doings so Allah curse them!
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. that recent studies found that pigs/monkeys has a heart similar to humans? to show that they were human b4.
i decided not to comment for sometime. but when i read urs, could not help to. i am with you in. I think a lot restrictions were in favor of certain ppl or, to say, man. that's contains a lot human's thoughts, may not be God's.
Arrange onion slices evenly over the bottom of the slow cooker, and then place the roast on top of the onion. In a bowl, mix together water, sugar, vinegar, soy sauce, ketchup, black pepper, salt, garlic powder, and hot sauce; pour over roast.
Cover, and cook on Low for 6 to 8 hours, or on High for 3 to 4 hours.
Those who take religion seriously, do it as an act of faith. Who are we to question this. If Islam prihibits the eating of pork, the, take it as given. Why waste time trying to argue about the reasons.
Well at least the DFAS is open by 6 AM and still the most sensible place to charge up with food and coffee. Are they strict now with eagle card, I've heard so, is it fact?
Its fine that for reliqious preference pork is not an acceptable source of food for consumption, no problem whatsoever. Just please do not mislead folks by providing obsolete or unfounded arguments to inlcude worms for extra added effect. We are not kids that will beleive a simple youtube video, not a good basis for an educated argument; unsubstantiated, unattested, unconfirmed, unsupported, unverified study. However, if your intent was to entertain, great, I was deeply entertained. No disrespect intended folks, just really weird. Of course It's not any of my concern, but this is a public forum as well. Good day folks.
Everyone can eat anything, provided you prepare it properly and don't mix up raw meat on the same chopping board (in the kitchen) with other raw meats and veg.
Heavens sake, this is the 21st century - you don't leave a dead pig (or any other animal) laying around in the farmyard for a week in hot weather before eating it.
Even a bent carrot isn't as good for you as a fresh one :D
s u said is correct if any holly book said it is forbidden definately there will be logical reason ; yes i agree somany bacteria can attack meat ; but pig is attack by tenia solium n so many million of eggs of it in small peace of pig so with this so may desases of heart and skin
Cancer sees no barricades like pig eater/non eater/alcoholic/non alcoholic/veggie/non veggie/smoking/non smoker/fat/thin ....Believe me just two days back I got the news that one of our distant relative has been detected with cancer and he is vegetarian, teetotaler,under 40 and good built...
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Cow/dog/pig/chicken/any animal eat theirs and others crap.....Even before choosing partners the animals use to smell and eat the crap first, to find out the exact match. Watch Animal Planet for the proof.
Ever seen little humans also eating some deserts from the nose...? (Nationality no bar!!!!!!).
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There are many reasons as to why Pig meat is forbidden for human consumption. First simple reason is that in Islam you must always slaughter the animal from the neck this is for the benefit of the animal itself so the animal dies quick and less painfully, Pig however has no neck therefore Islamically it is impossible to slaughter a Pig even if it was Halal(permissable). There are many scientific reasons as to why Pork is not fit for human consumption
THE VARIOUS EFFECTS OF PIG MEAT ON HUMAN HEALTH
Trichinosis, the most common infection in humans from pig meat, is a subtle killer. Trichinosis is the name of the disease that originated with the trichina worm, which is scientifically referred to as the trichinella spiralis.
Trichina is just one of the nineteen worms found in pigs, in addition to lice and several swine diseases such as, rickets, thumps, and mange.
The trichina worm is very simply -- deadly; and a thorough cooking of pig meat does not ensure its death
We shall gather and see what would happen, as they say ... experiencing the thing is the best practice or proof ...
I can't tell that Pig got worms or not from a video ... but if i will try it in front of me then i would really know ... anyway, does not concern me as i never eat pork before and won't ... I'm vegetarian :)
I got no idea why do people keep hitting us with these threads, just like Darude said ... but this is ain't breakfast, lunch or dinner ...
It is more like the pill that you should take after those meals or before ... the only thing is ... It will give you head ache instead of comforting you ...
It will give you pain instead of relieving it ...
It will confuse you instead of entertaining you ...
Can any one tell me what the hell is happening these days???!!!
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
"Life's rule: Assume nothing...expect little...do more...need less...smile often...sleep long...dream big...laugh a lot...pray always & once in a while...cry but continue living!
Cows will eat whatever is in it's way. You can pretend they don't, but if you've ever actually spent time on a farm you would see they aren't such picky eaters.
i have yet to see a cow eat its own crap. chicken peck everywhere, they may come into contact with the crap but they dont go looking for it and eat it.
Pigs are stupid... letting pigs eat sh*T... is... well... I guess it is a basic Human Right.
However, there are those pigs that grew up in farms and ate grass, and again some sh:T, maybe... but not that MUCH... hahaha
Anyways... to entice you people... in Japan, there are pigs that are raised in a small cubicle... the cubicle is so small that there won't be a space for the pig to look left or right... and even up!! (well, pigs can't look up)...
Now... he will be fed with the best corn stock.. ground and dried a bit under the sun... this pig will definitely eat and become fat and tasty... yeah...
so this one... will grow big in the small cubicle... until the day he matures enough... his meat will become the juiciest... meat... he turns out to be the Clean... Corn Suckling Pig!
Well, then... now... people.. feel free to go to Japan!
All animals eat their own feces. Including Cows, sheep, goats and chickens. Anyone who thinks those animals are cleaner then pigs is fooling themselves.
if some has pork and some has beef ... why don't we do that by ourselves to see what would happen? Can't imagine a QL gathering to have this test ... and some are cheering let the worms show up!!!!
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
"Some Christians do avoid the eating of pork because of the biblical laws mentioning this. The Seventh Day Adventist denomination is one which observes this practice. The majority of Christians believe that the laws do not apply to them and that this law, along with others, passed with the sacrifice of Christ.
The reason God instituted these laws for the Jews was because they did not have preservation methods or cooking methods that could make the meat safe. If you read in the New Testament you will see that nothing is considered unclean. Jesus made a reference to this as well as Paul in Romans, the incident with Peter in Acts as well. It is up the person what they want to eat."
second, this is what i'm talking about... YouTube could mislead people.. those are definitely NOT earthworms. How can earthworms go all the way up to the meat?
third, it is in the Holy Book that forbids us to eat is a very respected truth because it is spiritually wrong.
fourth, let's not try to argue. Let us stick to the point. Using this video to support that truth is wrong, because... like I said, any meat can get contaminated rotten by maggots.
Please refer to Google or in Encyclopedia for that.
fifth, I will now go back to work in peace.
Hope my point will be understood now. Peace be with you.
Don't I just love people who talk out their bums...
Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
Quran 6:145 Say: "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood, or the meat of pig, for it is foul; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
What most people do not know is that the Islam they mostly see, hear and read about has NOTHING to do with the Quran.
Traditional Islam is based on 2 important sources: Koran & Hadith. Whats Hadith you might ask?
Hadith is a huge hodgepodge collection of the alleged sayings of Muhammad which was compiled 200+ years AFTER the death of Muhammad. Traditional Islam derives most of its laws & rules from THIS body of information. Traditional Muslims believe that these Hadiths are indispensable to their religion & life. So much of importance is paid to these hadiths that very often the Quran is ignored.
And it is from these hadiths that we get extremely nonsensical & barbaric rules & laws like death penalty for adulterers & apostates (although the Koran does not advocate any such punishment), degradation of women, bizarre dress codes for women, killing of those who insult Muhammad, chopping of hands of thieves etc. I must mention that hadiths also contain many beautiful teachings too. As I said, its a hodge-podge collection ridden with internal contradictions.
Criticism of these fanciful stories in hadiths has always existed right from the beginning but very few muslims care to question its authenticity. They believe that anyone who rejects hadiths and accepts ONLY the Quran is an infidel! You must also realise that most translations of the Quran are also done in the light of these hadiths and in some cases the original meaning of the Quran is twisted to bring it in accord with hadith teachings!
am not muslima and i have eaten pork my whole life and i dont feel sick or brainless because of it.thats all i can say.i think we are free to eat whatever we want.if some dont eat pork it is ok,others love to eat pork and it is ok too.
why dont you make your own expirement with pork and other meat like beef or chicken with coke and see the result and come back to us here we can discuss.
I think this maybe a chance for you to experience the truth about Quran...
There are many scientific reasons as to why Pork is not fit for human consumption.
Trichinosis, the most common infection in humans from pig meat, is a subtle killer. Trichinosis is the name of the disease that originated with the trichina worm, which is scientifically referred to as the trichinella spiralis.
Trichina is just one of the nineteen worms found in pigs, in addition to lice and several swine diseases such as, rickets, thumps, and mange.
The trichina worm is very simply -- deadly; and a thorough cooking of pig meat does not ensure its death.
In the March, 1950, issue of Reader’s Digest, Laird S. Goldsborough writes, “In the pork which we Americans eat, there too often lurk myriads of baffling and sinister parasites. There are minute spiral worms which scientists call trichinella spiralis.”, “...a single serving of infected pork -- or even a single mouthful, can kill, cripple or condemn the victim to a lifetime of aches and pains.”
For this unique disease of trichinosis, there is no certain cure or drug to stop them... not even today.
How about trying the same experiment on other meat products like beef exposed in open air on temperatures of 40-70 Farenheit, i'm sure that you will get the same results?
Raw meats exposed in room temperature and if contaminated by flies...will be vulnerable to bacteria.
You will notice that maggots will hatch because of these elements and you will notice that they will start to help in the decomposing process.
See Decomposition.
Have u ever wondered why there had to be Coke? It's a catalyst. You know what coke is made of right... it could clean rusty tanks if left alone.
Happens even to people who dies... that's how nature makes us return into dust. Our bodies will be broken down to minute and microscopic pieces until we return to whence we came from.
There are many reasons as to why Pig meat is forbidden for human consumption. First simple reason is that in Islam you must always slaughter the animal from the neck this is for the benefit of the animal itself so the animal dies quick and less painfully, Pig however has no neck therefore Islamically it is impossible to slaughter a Pig even if it was Halal(permissable).
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Stop being rascist against pigs!!! Even they have human rights.
Errrr....sorry animal rights....ummmm rascist? Technically not possible. u guys should watch "Planet of the hogs"
on one hand:
"...Just another pointless topic when some religious fashion is trying to brainwash you with ancient ideologies..."
and on the other hand:
"...you better start believing in the Son of God" (http://www.qatarliving.com/node/142368#comment-499662)
total hypocracy between the 2 statements! Or let's say that the 1st statement is the answer to the 2nd.
Hang on guys,
the Islam is the complete religion and we being muslim trust and believe on the things which we have even not seen, but are told to us.
they are told to us by the person (Prophet Muhmmmad PBUH)who is the most trusted person by all the religions. So the pork is Forbiden in ISLAM is the call from the same person.
If any muslim eats the pork then???? All the non muslims are welcomed to eat any thing they want.
Cheers
"when u r free to chose ur actions u r not free to chose the consequeces of the actions"
i `m sorry for u Platao36 cause these spritual things u r into it in my religion it`s tottaly forbiden besides it won`t ever make things better but anyway u r free to use ur mind which is better for u in life and after death.
Think DF means bacon :)
Aemin: Why are you sorry? Yes I agree that some Hadeeth were made by some enemies of the true muslims, christans or jews, the main prob with holly books is that all the contradictions shown on them happen because they were all written by humans
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
wht 'beacon' do u luv, dragonfly...lol..!!
i love beacon, pork chops, pork pork pork
Everybody is right everybody is wrong, it depend where you stand
Hi all of u, first of all and with my respect to all other religions as mine tells me not to diffrentiate between any of God`s apostles.
Al-Baqara - Sura 2 - Ayat 285
2:285 The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believes in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) The forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys."
and from the human`s rights that every body can do whatever he wants as long as he don`t hurt others iwant to tell u that if u want to eat pork or drink alcohols do it but without saying "Why Pork is forbidden in Islam" cause it`s not only islam all religions prohibit pork and alcohols so stop fooling others drink and eat whatever u want u r free i m not having a problem with that as also my religion tells me.
Al-Baqara - Sura 2 - Ayat 256
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
so sorry for this long intro.........................
Let`s start first with dmigtysolomon:
The phrase is "[Leviticus 11:7]
and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you".
This is the New American Standard Bible.
To understand it ;better read it in the Basic English Bible.
[Leviticus 11:7]
"And the pig is unclean to you, because though the horn of its foot is parted, its food does not come back."
ask urself if u tell ur kid this food is unclean for u isn`t it means don`t eat it ????
and anyway u can complete my comment to c more.
--hey timtan & baby phat everybody in this world present only himself not his religion--
baby phat i won`t argue with u in ur belives as i said b4 u r free to understand the wine phrase as u want but for ur arguing in the word PIG take this:
Isaiah 65:4
They sat among the graves and spent their nights in caves. They ate pork and in their pots made broth from unclean foods.
Isaiah 66:17
"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD.
by the way i`m totally with u in ur phrase
"it is not of religion, it is a choice of the person how he handleS his body and is totally UP TO HIM! if you wish to try, go ahead, nobody is stopping you nor forcing you to." thanks
--janeyjaney ur friend is a,she`s free beside i ve many non muslims don`t drink and hate pork and they r a very good people i respect them much--
Platao36 i`m sorry for u but what i want also to say to know islam well know it from Qoran only cause may u got some faked hadeeth that was made by islam`s enemies and there are many from long long years till these days.
claps for punky i`m with u 100%
RED_POPE "In god we trust"
At the end i want to thank u all for ur time and waitting for ur replies.
I'm a monotheist that's spiritist, God blessed me with the gift of allowing me to talk to the spirits of the dead, so, i got an Ouija table and when someone needs help or wants to talk with someone they loved that has passed away, but i always advise that sometimes some lower level spirits try to pretend that they are someone else.
Certain times i make sessions alone to ask about the universe, and other philosophical matters, i have leurned that if you ask materialistic questions they wont give you much importance and lower levels may play a trick on you.
No, we don't have an holly book and our Church/mosque/sinagoge is the universe, there's no convertion or or disconvertion, you'll be a monotheist when you feal it in your heart, but that doesn't mean that monotheists are the holders of trueth, we are all humans so we also have imperfections but the main thing is, Do unto others what you would like they do to you, i'll give you a link that will help you understand better.
http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritstoc.html
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
platao monkeys,ape, chimpanzee, gorilla, gibbon, oranggotan are all same specie Old World primates of the family Pongidae. FYI
and they evolve from human!
so platao...since u r monotheist as you said how do you worship God?
"Born optimist nothing can keep me too low for so long"
because it is written,but it is up to the person if he/she will eat pork.
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NIL ILLEGITIMI CARBORUNDUM
Encysted larvae of trichinae in pork are destroyed by thorough cooking or long periods of low-temperature storage.
You are so perfect, that you are flawlessly immerse with Cognitive dissonance dogmas.
"Don't make me write your name on my TURD List!"
oink oink everyone!!!
dimelo
my only take is this: from all walks of religion/beliefs,i may not be an expert but we all know that sometimes,the most religious are the ones who sins the most...
why don't we just respect each other's belief like levelheaded people...
like i don't care if you eat pork/fish/cow or whatever as long as its not mine!!!
hehehe
=)
life is too short to make it shorter...
"And it is from these hadiths that we get extremely nonsensical & barbaric rules & laws like death penalty for adulterers & apostates (although the Koran does not advocate any such punishment), degradation of women, bizarre dress codes for women, killing of those who insult Muhammad, chopping of hands of thieves etc. I must mention that hadiths also contain many beautiful teachings too. As I said, its a hodge-podge collection ridden with internal contradictions.
Criticism of these fanciful stories in hadiths has always existed right from the beginning but very few muslims care to question its authenticity. They believe that anyone who rejects hadiths and accepts ONLY the Quran is an infidel! You must also realise that most translations of the Quran are also done in the light of these hadiths and in some cases the original meaning of the Quran is twisted to bring it in accord with hadith teachings!"
Yes, but altered texts and contradictions also happen in other religions, and that's why everybody needs to use their brain to think and not only do something because it's written.
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Stealth: Would you shoot yourself if it was written that you should do it at an Holly Book, just like the extremists do?
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Gypsy: lol, i love bacon too and love eating pork meat :)
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johny_boiei: In Europe pork is eaten quite frequently on the other side, it it is said that sheep meet is worst, i belive this is a cultural question and not religious, as in India they don't eat cow meat. In Korea and China, some eat dogs and cats.
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deathmetal said thats right ...
most of pepole whos eating pork getting cancer
and pig the only animal doing sex with them family sister and mother "
DM: So, 95% of European population has cancer?
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3sure-hunk3r said have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? ...
have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? instead of man evolve from the monkeys it is monkeys evolve from man, so as the pig! and in the qur an told us not to eat the flesh of human as well.. something like that ... any way lets get the book and show you where its is..in the pm.."
I think you are confused, evolution says that Humans came from a primate, not an ape, we and ape's are both primates
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That story is so ridiculous, it's just a way for clerigs to justify why ape morfology and pig internal organs are similar and compatible with ours.
People say that God/Allah is love and then he, that it's supposed to be a perfect being, behaves as a human revolted????
If he's perfect, than he's impartial, if he's impartial, why would he use his powers to do something every cleric would like to do to unbelivers of any religion, maybe because the text was written by a cleric?
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Goodluck: Some cientists even say that the Holly bible is a science book and not a religious one.
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Scientists nowadays say that pig meat is even healthier than sheeps.
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Aemin: I'm monotheist, i belive in God/Allah. We don't have an Holly book, Mohamed and Moses were both monotheists too, we know about God because we have a brain to think, we considered him perfect, that means he hasn't any favourites.
Regarding alcohol, i can assure you that in christan churches, the wine is used as a symbol of Jesus blood, just like yhr bread represents his body.
Also God/Allah said: You shall not kill, but Moses and Mohamed killed folks in name of God/Allah.
If He could turn Humans in pigs and hapes why would he need other humans to kill another humans that had a different religion? The same God that destroyed Sodome and Gamorra? The same that splited the waters to allow the israelis to ran from the Egiptians?
oh well, i leave it to you all to use your brains ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
janey...there you go! you got it....the END!
My bestfriend is muslim and she tried pork.. and loved it! ;)
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AEAMIN,your comment on CHRISTIANS that we ignore or pretend that alcohol and pigs are forbidden in the HOLY BIBLE is a mockery!
Lord Jesus may have turned water into wine for the occasion WEDDING......WINE mister is a healthy drink since it originated from fruits like grapes, pineapples, etc then comes fermentation process...there were plenty of vineyards days back...plus, when Lord Jesus did this miraculous thing, HE didn't command the people to drink that much and to be DRUNKARDS!!! you are just assuming this probably because of the people you see in this generation regardless of their religion....we must admit the FACT that NOT ONLY CHRISTIANS are fond of drinking....THAT IS THE FACT WHICH SOME OF YOU ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO ADMIT!!!and that is being NAIVE. it is not of religion, it is a choice of the person how he handleS his body and is totally UP TO HIM! if you wish to try, go ahead, nobody is stopping you nor forcing you to.
anything that is beyond normal intake or anything that is too much is of course not healthy thus He says"take good care of the TEMPLE OF GOD" and that temple of God my friend, means the body that was LENT to us by our creator!!!
and as for the SWINE or PIG (as quoted in the HOLY BIBLE), have you really seen a person in his right mind that would endulge in PIG???? HAHAHA coz pig means LIVE PIG wandering in your background. We my friend endulge in PORK (which only means, cooked pig). PIG and PORK are two different things. another thing, that SWINE/PIG that was quoted in the HOLY BOOK was fairly unclean...""WAS"" which means to say, at that time it was unclean (that is why it was written in the OLD Testament) centuries ago and don't forget to quote the NEW Testament that there's nothing unclean that comes into the mouth, unclean comes OUT of the mouth....and I would happily elaborate to you that this only means that only those coming from the Human's mouth/body is unclean, ie.dirty words, dirty deeds, obsene thinking et al.
i will eat pork pork pork pork pork and pork!!!!!!!!!!
so what??? ignorant people rely and very much fooled by this nonsense video...
an intellectual, well-educated person relies on reliable sources (ie., encyclopedia etc)
whereas, IGNORANT, mal-educated people (people of today), just rely on hearsays, gossips and baseless articles/info from things like YOU TUBE!!! these people are just naive and fooling themselves coz i've known how much some if not most of them just love eating PORK...let's see....right after landing london or US, their mouth waters just to grab a """HAM-burger""" coz they've tasted it before...and they just couldn't stop!!!! say what??? that's right honey, once tasted, you'll end up craving for it! oh yeah...go ahead, come on nobody sees you anyway you're in london.....free to eat whatever you've been wanting....hehehehjhahahahahaha
so know what? if you really don't like it, then don't!!!! but please...bloody please just don't PRETEND!
isn't it also forbidden to drink, smoke, or even having extra-curricular affairs (yup you what i mean...) oh sorry it may not be very understandable for some...it's the ILLICIT RED HOT CHILI SIDE DISH famous to both men n women of today...and to make it clearer "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife and thou shalt not commit adultery"
but hey, NEWSFLASH!!! this is rampant and obviously happening in the society...so please don't be naive!
I have slaughtered many swine and it was by cutting their throats, how do you figure they have no neck?
I know a few linebackers that don't have necks, that doesn't make them pigs...hmm-m-m wait a minute, let me think about that.
He who dies with the most toys wins.
Three monkeys sat on a coconut tree
Discussing things as they're said to be.
Said one to the others, "Now listen, you two,
There is a certain rumor that can't be true
That man descended from our noble race.
That very idea is a disgrace.
No monkey ever deserted his wife,
Starved her babies or ruined her life.
And another thing you will never see:
A monkey build a fence around a coconut tree
And let the coconuts go to waste
Forbidding all the other monkeys to taste.
If I put a fence around this tree,
Starvation would force you to steal from me.
Here's another thing a monkey won't do:
Go out at night and get on a stew,
And use a gun, or club, or knife
To take some other monkey's life.
Yes, man descended, the ornery cuss -
But, brother, he didn't descend from us.
He who dies with the most toys wins.
I'm confused, can you quote that Leviticus again and where the forbidden to eat phrase if there's any?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Hi all it was very interesting to read all these comments about why pigs was forbidden in islam and it was like i m reading jokes cause i found many of u trying to be smart and getting some scintefic reason for that so for my opinion when GOD SAYS IT`S FORBIDDEN I DON`T NEED A SCINTEFIC REASON FOR HIS WORDS.
Ok we have two kind of people here some are religionistic and others that don`t blieve in god so if u don`t beleive in god don`t waste ur time in completing this comment ,but if u got any other religion sit and read what i m saying.
first of all i won`t talk about why it was forbidden in islam cause muslims are totally convinced about alcoholics and pigs "they are forbidden" .
i ll talk about the christian cause many of christian either they ignore or pretend that they don`t know that pigs and alcoholics are also forbidden in the Bible.
my words ends here the rest i ll leave it for the Bible words.
But first i d like to answer a question any christian will ask till this stage the question is:
If so, why did Jesus turn water into wine at a wedding??
Jesus turned water into wine as a miracle in order to have a nice occasion for a wedding feast. He was invited as a guest and it was proper at that time for the host to have plenety of wine for enjoyment.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
[Proverbs 20:1]
"Stop getting drunk with wine, which leads to wild living, but keep on being filled with the Spirit."
[Ephesians 5:18]
nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
[1Corinthians 6:10]
In islam alcohols was forbidden in many stages starting from telling not to drink while praying till it was Totally forbidden.
[Leviticus 11:7]
and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you.
if the reason to make pigs forbidden for that time cause their was no good & modern butchers ,,,,was they got a modern butchers for lambs and cows!!!! why only pig was mentioned???,,don`t tell me that there was no lambs in this period and it was only pigs :) cause i ll tell u about [Exodus 12:5] :) .
I am welcoming any comments from u all guys and i m waitting.
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people! this info is for the benifit of all out of love and care..bec. we dont want you to indulge into something that is not good for health. thats if you believe.
if not well, its your choice! beside the old testment as you say prohibits it, the medical evidence proved its yaks, and again islam say not to eat it.. so if you are going to weigh which one is correct?
common sense very simple.. again no offence
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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."
adnan try it, but out side not eating a cooked pork just pour coke over it, if you have then tell us the result.
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"BOrn optimist nothing can keep me too low for too long."
well wht if a person eat pork and thn drink coke ??
The original post was about the reason for the prohibition on pork. Allah forbids it ~ I can understand that. Other reasons that have been given to explain this belief further I don't think help and add really no weight to the point.
I am happy to accept it is a religous belief ~ one that I respect but do not agree with.
Cheers
Love ALLAH for a reason ,,,,
Let the reason Be LOVE
everything was given to man as food except BLOOD. In the Christian Era, He added as forbidden food aside from BLOOD, ANIMALS THAT DIED WITHOUT BLOOD COMING OUT, AND ANY FOOD THAT WAS PRESENTED OR PRAPARED FOR IDOLS AND FALSE GODS.
So, we eat pork, of course properly cooked.
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
believe God turns humans to monkeys or pigs, God created humans out of his love to humanity, he craeted humans in the best shape blessed them with brains to distinguish them from animals and gave them the choice of freedom .. and therefore humans have the brain to learn and distingush the right from the wrong, make their choices and bear the concequences of their choices ..
So this includes choosing faith and religion to deciding to dirnk alcohol or not, eat prok or not ..
But I do not believe that God who created us turns us into pigs or monkeys .. I am sorry .. this may be just symbolic ...or a matter of interpretation ..
In the same time I respect your believes .. no offence
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
it is more logical to comprehend that God turns bad and wrongdoers people into pigs and mokeys,a lower form and disgusting animals as a punishment for them! than we just evolve from that beast into higher form and intillegent being!
.if we believe on this, then we should see at this time could be another human like inteligent being evolve from other wild beast too,let say from gireffe or shark.
I wonder how they will be look like..
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
logic you contrdict your self bec. u r not logical.. which one you prefer? that God turns man into monkeys or that darwins theory that man comes out from monkeys?
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
moreover, anyone can find out any where in the book mentioning abt the time of Adam/Eve' existence?
thanks a lot. I am so wanted to know more. related to the religion and the history.
Zenon: i mentioned the evolution bcoz we were taught since childhood that human comes from anthropoid/apes..whatever we call it. and i am trying to link the theory to the religion to find out the truth. or more to say, try to prove everything in the religion is also scientific.
to do research, think, distingush what is right and what is wrong and have freedom to do what we feel best to us..
Therefore if not t eat prok is best for you then that be it if you believe eating prok is fine with you go ahead..
On a historical note the bible in the old testment banned prok, on the new testment when it allowed pork .. as it is what comes out of the mouth that make it dirty not what goes into the mouth ..
Islam adopted the opinion of the old testment ...
So science has nothing to do here and justifications based on science will not come to rescue as it was proven wrong .. it is just what islam has adopted ..
On the other hand, I do n ot believe that God would turn his beloved craetures into pigs and monkeys, and if my brother would be turned into a pig I prefer to eat him rather that let him live his life as a pig ..
Apologies for my long discussion
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
I respect your position but I am a believer of reason
pls dont get cofused,,
U must alwsya love your wife and never try to understand,
Wife must alwayas understand him and love less.
Like wise Quran " simply do it " . no second thought. or no ????????????????????????????????.
B 'coz once we have understood the fact . the time we have spent for research will b waste ........
Y waste time in research . ( It has been already done by the creater) . lets simply do it.
Haashim! Good and imple answer.
By the wa, why do u have the star if David as the avtar ?
Just curious..
Allah says not to.
try look in to more detail will only bring iman less thoughts
I like pork and I never believe the video.
we will try guyz then we come back for the result but not now! no stock in the fridge..
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
one other meats or just pork?
Would the same happen with Beef, Lamb, Gnu, Moose or Veal ?
we do not eat it RAW!!!
So now ,cola,is use as what? what we can say a catalyst? no a culture media for the maggots/ parasitic nematode in the pork?
.sounds scientific
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
cola was only invented way back 1886 by a pharmacist john pemberton of atlanta georgia, at that time cola is even intended as medicine than a softdrink.
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
There was no cola 1400 years ago.
Also, the maqggots may have been in the cola and transferred to the pork.
Good luck my name is not that very complicated! its just the broad cut for tresure hunter ...lol
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
so much about darwin! what i mean about darwins theory of evolution is wrong! he says we human evolve from monkeys for impact quran says monkeys evolve from man!
check the surah above...
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. for those who dont, then the ink has dried.
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting) . And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #12)
"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
Say (O Muhammad SAW to the people of the Scripture): "Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Taghoot (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hellfire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world)."
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #60)
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
pigs, alcohol and homosexuality ...
The call drunk homosexual pigs .. therefore prok is banned ..
Now I got it !!
"The best way to predict the future is to create it".
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u r actuly realsomone
pork is a dirty meat hygeinically probably thatz y itz banned.....
totally confused! What has darwin's theory of evolution got to do with anything???
3sure-hunker....a complicated name.hehe
I also wondered there are so many evidence for Darwin's theory even millions years ago. and how long is the story of Adam and Eve? I did not have enough knowledge to sort it out. but I think the Muslims by birth don't even know abt the theories, so there are no related explainations.
have ever heard of darwins theory of the evolution? instead of man evolve from the monkeys it is monkeys evolve from man, so as the pig! and in the qur an told us not to eat the flesh of human as well.. something like that ... any way lets get the book and show you where its is..in the pm..
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
called doctors back then were experts !!!
If yer dont want to eat Pork due to yer beliefs then all well and good, but dont try to scare others by saying its crap meat....
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what i am saying in fact correct. some people in the islamic community use it as the justification on the prohition on pork.
I dont eat pork and the reasoning behind my choice is religious. But i understand the root behind the prohition is health related and not because some people got turned in to pigs.
I only elaborated on the statements of 3sure.
Let's assume that what you say is correct... What doesthat have to do with the prohibition on pig meat..
i'll send you the info when i get home, i dont have the quran on me.
i read it too, its in the early surahs.
hey brit you're one good lookin newt, >winks
life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......
turned me into a newt
I got better though..
fyi - we are 98% genetically identical to chimps.
Your point is mote
in the quran, there is allegorical story of a tribe of israelites whom god repeatedly warned to stop their ways. After a number of transgressions, god punished them by turning them into pigs.
Again, in light of wisdom and manner in which its written. I am inclined to believe that it is allegorical.
As for religous beliefs - I respect peoples' decisons not to eat certain foods for whatever reason. However what I don't agree with any of the reasons for not eating properly prepared pork. There is abolutley nothing wrong (from a health perspective) with - emphasis added - properly reared, prepared and cooked pork.
It really does someones beliefs no favours when they try to back those beliefs up with sudo-science or factual error.
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What do you mean human before ?
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oh im so late for this tread anyway...
had any one knew that pigs and monkeys are not of animal origins? that they were human then turn into pigs and monkeys because of their disobidience wrong doings so Allah curse them!
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. that recent studies found that pigs/monkeys has a heart similar to humans? to show that they were human b4.
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"Happy with little yet wishing for more."
3sure-hunk3r
its was a clear propaganda,,,,not an eye opener,,,,,
i decided not to comment for sometime. but when i read urs, could not help to. i am with you in. I think a lot restrictions were in favor of certain ppl or, to say, man. that's contains a lot human's thoughts, may not be God's.
1 Reason=> Pigs eat their own crap! ewww!!!
i'll have to cook at your place, i don't have an oven. i'll bring the stilettos, albeit a month late.
get some pork on your fork.
INGREDIENTS
1 large onion, sliced
2 1/2 pounds boneless pork loin roast
1 cup hot water
1/4 cup white sugar
3 tablespoons red wine vinegar
2 tablespoons soy sauce
1 tablespoon ketchup
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon garlic powder
1 dash hot pepper sauce, or to taste
DIRECTIONS
Arrange onion slices evenly over the bottom of the slow cooker, and then place the roast on top of the onion. In a bowl, mix together water, sugar, vinegar, soy sauce, ketchup, black pepper, salt, garlic powder, and hot sauce; pour over roast.
Cover, and cook on Low for 6 to 8 hours, or on High for 3 to 4 hours.
ah darn it , just eat what you want to eat ,no questions asked and no answers required.......just enjoy it......:D
life's too short so make the most of it, you only live but once.......
Would it be alright to PM you for some questions.
Learn, and respect others choices.. there bottom line. No need to question and disect evrything.
Yes, I do agree with you.
I just hate when someone is trying to shove it in my throat, literally speaking.
Al esfuerzo y heroísmo de una revolución:
No los queremos!, y No les necesitamos!
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Lets keep our job location and business out of the conversation. OPSEC.
I manage to savor a good old cup of coffee in my stomach from the coffee beanery before driving home.
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Those who take religion seriously, do it as an act of faith. Who are we to question this. If Islam prihibits the eating of pork, the, take it as given. Why waste time trying to argue about the reasons.
Well at least the DFAS is open by 6 AM and still the most sensible place to charge up with food and coffee. Are they strict now with eagle card, I've heard so, is it fact?
I cant wait to get off work, I need my Coffee power and I'm freaking hungry...
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I agree with you bro. Nothing better than a sound minded person. How's your morning so far buddy?
Why not sacrifice a camel, when there is no Pork around for some folks?
If anyone bothers in researching topics in QL about Pork and Islam, you could find it has been discuss previously.
Just another pointless topic when some religious fashion is trying to brainwash you with ancient ideologies...
That is just my opinion..
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Its fine that for reliqious preference pork is not an acceptable source of food for consumption, no problem whatsoever. Just please do not mislead folks by providing obsolete or unfounded arguments to inlcude worms for extra added effect. We are not kids that will beleive a simple youtube video, not a good basis for an educated argument; unsubstantiated, unattested, unconfirmed, unsupported, unverified study. However, if your intent was to entertain, great, I was deeply entertained. No disrespect intended folks, just really weird. Of course It's not any of my concern, but this is a public forum as well. Good day folks.
Everyone can eat anything, provided you prepare it properly and don't mix up raw meat on the same chopping board (in the kitchen) with other raw meats and veg.
Heavens sake, this is the 21st century - you don't leave a dead pig (or any other animal) laying around in the farmyard for a week in hot weather before eating it.
Even a bent carrot isn't as good for you as a fresh one :D
Common sense.
s u said is correct if any holly book said it is forbidden definately there will be logical reason ; yes i agree somany bacteria can attack meat ; but pig is attack by tenia solium n so many million of eggs of it in small peace of pig so with this so may desases of heart and skin
so due to teneasolium it is basically a tape worm we get so many deseases
if we eat pork pig we get sientifically in pork contains somany eggs say a millions of eggs of tenea solium in the flesh of pig
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do u think the god of this world is 20 gods or 20 Allah
can u imagen the road without police how it would be and how will u dirving ur car without control ,, hmmmmmmm
this hoax email was making rounds two yrs back.
Cancer sees no barricades like pig eater/non eater/alcoholic/non alcoholic/veggie/non veggie/smoking/non smoker/fat/thin ....Believe me just two days back I got the news that one of our distant relative has been detected with cancer and he is vegetarian, teetotaler,under 40 and good built...
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how can i get a list of allowed words then ....
hey u guys go find out wuts naza found ???? the only animal eating shit cannot u imagen wuts inside thats meet youks
Cow/dog/pig/chicken/any animal eat theirs and others crap.....Even before choosing partners the animals use to smell and eat the crap first, to find out the exact match. Watch Animal Planet for the proof.
Ever seen little humans also eating some deserts from the nose...? (Nationality no bar!!!!!!).
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cow eats.......uff. I have seen cow licking sanitary napkins in bins but then its not their fault. Our bins are open for all.
most of pepole whos eating pork getting cancer
and pig the only animal doing sex with them family sister and mother
muslims dont eat pork coz the pig is considered 'unholy' and Hindus dont eat beef coz they consider the cow 'Holy'.!!!!!!!!
Why Pork is Haram to eat?
There are many reasons as to why Pig meat is forbidden for human consumption. First simple reason is that in Islam you must always slaughter the animal from the neck this is for the benefit of the animal itself so the animal dies quick and less painfully, Pig however has no neck therefore Islamically it is impossible to slaughter a Pig even if it was Halal(permissable). There are many scientific reasons as to why Pork is not fit for human consumption
THE VARIOUS EFFECTS OF PIG MEAT ON HUMAN HEALTH
Trichinosis, the most common infection in humans from pig meat, is a subtle killer. Trichinosis is the name of the disease that originated with the trichina worm, which is scientifically referred to as the trichinella spiralis.
Trichina is just one of the nineteen worms found in pigs, in addition to lice and several swine diseases such as, rickets, thumps, and mange.
The trichina worm is very simply -- deadly; and a thorough cooking of pig meat does not ensure its death
easy thing...the world is going crazzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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and QL tooooooooooooooooo.
have a nice weekend all and relaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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pig contest? :(
We shall gather and see what would happen, as they say ... experiencing the thing is the best practice or proof ...
I can't tell that Pig got worms or not from a video ... but if i will try it in front of me then i would really know ... anyway, does not concern me as i never eat pork before and won't ... I'm vegetarian :)
I got no idea why do people keep hitting us with these threads, just like Darude said ... but this is ain't breakfast, lunch or dinner ...
It is more like the pill that you should take after those meals or before ... the only thing is ... It will give you head ache instead of comforting you ...
It will give you pain instead of relieving it ...
It will confuse you instead of entertaining you ...
Can any one tell me what the hell is happening these days???!!!
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
eat what you will folks. there is no arguement there
okay... that's another pig... i don't know what he ate...
... and i don't know if that's the former pig's brother...
and I don't wanna find out... okay? Please...
enough with that worms... p-puh-pleazzzz... :-)
werent you suppose to be on plane snoring :?
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Can't imagine my dog will eat his own sh*t, too!
hahaha... that'll save me money on those dog foods.
just kidding folks. that won't be a pretty thought... eww. munch... munch.. munch... cruchey...
YUMMY! I LOVE PORK TOO! lol =P
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please check this related video about coke and pork. and please tell if the worms there are not earthworms.
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Thank you Gypsy! I tried to keep my mouth shut last night when we were talking about fast food, but now that you brought it up, lol...
Fast Food Nation is a real eye-opener. Most memorable quote in the book (he's talking about ground beef):
There's sh*t in the meat.
Cows will eat whatever is in it's way. You can pretend they don't, but if you've ever actually spent time on a farm you would see they aren't such picky eaters.
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gone high tech in devloped countries, so no worries
you just enjoy
i have yet to see a cow eat its own crap. chicken peck everywhere, they may come into contact with the crap but they dont go looking for it and eat it.
lmao at Da's comment !
Pigs are stupid... letting pigs eat sh*T... is... well... I guess it is a basic Human Right.
However, there are those pigs that grew up in farms and ate grass, and again some sh:T, maybe... but not that MUCH... hahaha
Anyways... to entice you people... in Japan, there are pigs that are raised in a small cubicle... the cubicle is so small that there won't be a space for the pig to look left or right... and even up!! (well, pigs can't look up)...
Now... he will be fed with the best corn stock.. ground and dried a bit under the sun... this pig will definitely eat and become fat and tasty... yeah...
so this one... will grow big in the small cubicle... until the day he matures enough... his meat will become the juiciest... meat... he turns out to be the Clean... Corn Suckling Pig!
Well, then... now... people.. feel free to go to Japan!
Savvy, eyh!???
All animals eat their own feces. Including Cows, sheep, goats and chickens. Anyone who thinks those animals are cleaner then pigs is fooling themselves.
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stop slagging poor pigs off ... !
Hi Mr.Paul ... we stopping in Bahrain tonight on the way to the UK ... lol.
Enjoy this article on Pig toilets,
Pork is defo yummilicious
http://www.goaguide.org/pigtoilets.html
then back to sunny Bahrain.
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Mommy's boy ... :P
Pork, pork, pork, can't wait to go back to Canada and eat yummy bacon and sausages and ham!
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Interesting...
however, let me invite the Flies first so that they can prepare the meat for the Maggot Feast.
Got plenty here in my mothers fridge....
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KutKutter is trying to make a point!
sorry, i have just read your comment.
May I know from where you get all these views? I'm interested to know more.
if some has pork and some has beef ... why don't we do that by ourselves to see what would happen? Can't imagine a QL gathering to have this test ... and some are cheering let the worms show up!!!!
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"Some Christians do avoid the eating of pork because of the biblical laws mentioning this. The Seventh Day Adventist denomination is one which observes this practice. The majority of Christians believe that the laws do not apply to them and that this law, along with others, passed with the sacrifice of Christ.
The reason God instituted these laws for the Jews was because they did not have preservation methods or cooking methods that could make the meat safe. If you read in the New Testament you will see that nothing is considered unclean. Jesus made a reference to this as well as Paul in Romans, the incident with Peter in Acts as well. It is up the person what they want to eat."
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Christians_eat_pork_while_in_the_Bible_it_is_forbidden
first thing, your nick is a bit long.
second, this is what i'm talking about... YouTube could mislead people.. those are definitely NOT earthworms. How can earthworms go all the way up to the meat?
third, it is in the Holy Book that forbids us to eat is a very respected truth because it is spiritually wrong.
fourth, let's not try to argue. Let us stick to the point. Using this video to support that truth is wrong, because... like I said, any meat can get contaminated rotten by maggots.
Please refer to Google or in Encyclopedia for that.
fifth, I will now go back to work in peace.
Hope my point will be understood now. Peace be with you.
As a christian we r allowed 2 eat pork. 2 much is unhealthy (cholestoral) but otherwise its ok.
related videos showing pork and coke with earthworms???? how come an earthworms in a pork? LOL. Undoubtedly it's FAKE and grossed!
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Don't I just love people who talk out their bums...
Matthew 15:10-11
"Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "
...so what???...
it is mentioned in bible
Pork has been forbidden for muslims. thats all. why do you need go into the reasons behind it.
I miss pork. Seeing that video made me hungry for a nice pork chop and crackling....;-)
Quran 6:145 Say: "I do not find in what is inspired to me forbidden except that it be already dead, or blood, or the meat of pig, for it is foul; or what is corruptly dedicated to other than God." Whoever is forced without seeking disobedience or transgression, then your Lord is Forgiving, Merciful.
What most people do not know is that the Islam they mostly see, hear and read about has NOTHING to do with the Quran.
Traditional Islam is based on 2 important sources: Koran & Hadith. Whats Hadith you might ask?
Hadith is a huge hodgepodge collection of the alleged sayings of Muhammad which was compiled 200+ years AFTER the death of Muhammad. Traditional Islam derives most of its laws & rules from THIS body of information. Traditional Muslims believe that these Hadiths are indispensable to their religion & life. So much of importance is paid to these hadiths that very often the Quran is ignored.
And it is from these hadiths that we get extremely nonsensical & barbaric rules & laws like death penalty for adulterers & apostates (although the Koran does not advocate any such punishment), degradation of women, bizarre dress codes for women, killing of those who insult Muhammad, chopping of hands of thieves etc. I must mention that hadiths also contain many beautiful teachings too. As I said, its a hodge-podge collection ridden with internal contradictions.
Criticism of these fanciful stories in hadiths has always existed right from the beginning but very few muslims care to question its authenticity. They believe that anyone who rejects hadiths and accepts ONLY the Quran is an infidel! You must also realise that most translations of the Quran are also done in the light of these hadiths and in some cases the original meaning of the Quran is twisted to bring it in accord with hadith teachings!
am not muslima and i have eaten pork my whole life and i dont feel sick or brainless because of it.thats all i can say.i think we are free to eat whatever we want.if some dont eat pork it is ok,others love to eat pork and it is ok too.
thats all i can say about it.
I'm against pork, too.
It kills people. Eat too much of this meat...
can cause people to look like pigs, too...
In the long run...
We'll then... that's an interesting topic, huh?
Forbidden in Bible.
of course i dont trust everything but i trust the Quran and that is what was said 1426 years ago before YOUTUBE.
i am sure this is very simple expirement that everyone can do , so try yourself too.
"He who does not thank people, does not thank Allah" prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
fact of the matter is that Pork is Forbidden in Islam. Why is there a need to question it or go into the why's and wherefors.
It is either an eye opener or it is another way of confusion.
TV and its relative has did it again.
Capturing minds, exposing it to the real and unreal world.
Beware of the cousin of TV... his name is YouTube.
NOw You are in the Tube... Hope you don't trust everything that you see...
why dont you make your own expirement with pork and other meat like beef or chicken with coke and see the result and come back to us here we can discuss.
I think this maybe a chance for you to experience the truth about Quran...
There are many scientific reasons as to why Pork is not fit for human consumption.
Trichinosis, the most common infection in humans from pig meat, is a subtle killer. Trichinosis is the name of the disease that originated with the trichina worm, which is scientifically referred to as the trichinella spiralis.
Trichina is just one of the nineteen worms found in pigs, in addition to lice and several swine diseases such as, rickets, thumps, and mange.
The trichina worm is very simply -- deadly; and a thorough cooking of pig meat does not ensure its death.
In the March, 1950, issue of Reader’s Digest, Laird S. Goldsborough writes, “In the pork which we Americans eat, there too often lurk myriads of baffling and sinister parasites. There are minute spiral worms which scientists call trichinella spiralis.”, “...a single serving of infected pork -- or even a single mouthful, can kill, cripple or condemn the victim to a lifetime of aches and pains.”
For this unique disease of trichinosis, there is no certain cure or drug to stop them... not even today.
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Those days fridge was not invented ,pork meat gets decayed very fast
But not any more
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How about trying the same experiment on other meat products like beef exposed in open air on temperatures of 40-70 Farenheit, i'm sure that you will get the same results?
Raw meats exposed in room temperature and if contaminated by flies...will be vulnerable to bacteria.
You will notice that maggots will hatch because of these elements and you will notice that they will start to help in the decomposing process.
See Decomposition.
Have u ever wondered why there had to be Coke? It's a catalyst. You know what coke is made of right... it could clean rusty tanks if left alone.
Happens even to people who dies... that's how nature makes us return into dust. Our bodies will be broken down to minute and microscopic pieces until we return to whence we came from.
There are many reasons as to why Pig meat is forbidden for human consumption. First simple reason is that in Islam you must always slaughter the animal from the neck this is for the benefit of the animal itself so the animal dies quick and less painfully, Pig however has no neck therefore Islamically it is impossible to slaughter a Pig even if it was Halal(permissable).
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Another internet hoax!
www.snopes.com/cokelore/porkworm.asp
Eye opener!
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That is the least of what the Holly Quran contains of information for the better of man kind.
Yet we still do not seem to understand a tenth of what is in it
Math 4 All
Welcome Lucky...
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thank you for your thread..Interesting!..i will watch all the related videos when i reach home...
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