What will happen to this guy?
He is standing near his village.
Having just dropped off the food he caught for his family, like he did yesterday and the day before that.
He looks at his children he has provided for all their lives.
And his wife he has cared for and loved.
And his parents he also provides for, as they had provided for him.
He checks on his community and helps to share the load from his friends and neighbours whenever he can.
In short , he is an honest, loving man who has spent his whole life caring and providing for others and has never hurt a soul.
BUT.
He has never seen a religous book.
Never been tought a religous code.
Never said a prayer.
What will happen to him when his time comes, in your opinion?
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Platao36, sorry man, i dont know whether u are Muslim or not and giving you examples from Quran but i was just trying to explain "submission" from my own point of view.
Platao36 , you said(We were all created as racional beings, following an idea without questioning it and obtain satisfiing replies) sorry man but there is contradiction in your statement. being rational beings means we have brains. the difference between man and animals is "brain". The brain was given to human so they could think and make their own dissensions not to follow others whatever the idea is and that's why there is a judgment day. submitting your self to GOD is the best thing you could do in your life because that's the only reason GOD created us for. Quran (51-56) *I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me*
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forgot to complete last sentence, "replies"...is blind submition, means you follow an opinion given by others instead of having your own opinion.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Sallamnz: I submit myself to God/Allah but i refuse to stop being racional. We were all created as racional beings, following an idea without questioning it and obtain satisfiing replies.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Winn, Just like said: "If we become a culture that is not based on any moral and religious foundation, then adultery, lying, stealing and finally murdering will simply be an option seen as normal behavior".I think the bible is the constitution and by laws that need to be followed during the time when there was no government yet. Because that time, the religious people are the one that controls the country.
Platao36, what does that suppose to mean?
sallamnz: Submission yes, Blind Submission NO
God is omnipotent and omnipresent
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
hellow are you living in paradise?
since i am Muslim, and believe that Quran is the right book, [3:85] says clearly (Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers). However, that does NOT give me or anyone else the right to say where he is going to be. For sure ........... No one on earth can tell whats gona happen to him. To GOD belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them. He creates whatever He wills. GOD is Omnipotent.
Tess: I full agree with you, even amongst primitive tribes like the New Guinea pigmees there are purer people than some that pray everyday and read Holly Books.
Purity is in the "heart" not in your "appearances".
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
I said he 'deserves' heaven. I didn't say 'go' yet. ;-p
Also, not because you will see God doesn't mean you go straight to heaven. ;-p
But that's a Bible verse. 'pure in heart', actually.
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
MD, based on the bible then I know A LOT of people who'll head straight to heaven ;)
Uttering religious codes is not important, one may utter words from the yellow pages for that matter. Understanding and following them is, which he is already doing. I may say he is a blessed soul and will die peacefully.
MD: I do belive that Hero's reference is on the bible but will have to check it out
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
LOL, Scarlett. Yes, that must be heaven! :D
we all have a place that's full of pets but none of them shed any hair!!!
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Winn, the fat ones are good ones because it means they've had an owner who loved them a lot and fed them nice food :D
Cats go to pet heaven. Only pet lovers are allowed there. And God gives them a nice fluffy bed so they can sleep all day.
heero, do you quote from the qur'an? The Bible (Jesus) says:" Blessed are those who are poor in mind (meaning the dumb ones), they will go to heaven".
According to my understanding of the Holy Quran, there are so many people on earth who havent received the messege as it is intended, and they are following/leading a very noble way of life.. These people will be treated with the best reward hereafter.
'Blessed are the pure, for they will see God.'
"Everything in this book may be wrong." Illusions: The Adventures of The Reluctant Messiah by Richard Bach
lol scarlett
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Scarlett: What abt em bad cats? Like ..u know the FAT ones, the BAD fat ones... :-p
At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
Scarlett: What abt em bad cats? Like ..u know the FAT ones, the BAD fat ones... :-p
At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
he will go to a much better place than on this earth. How can he go to a bad place when he has done nothing bad in his life?
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Drac:
Lotsa 'if's there.. :)
Read abt the worst criminals in the world.How many of them were atheists/non-believers?
U mean to say that the ppl who have not been taught the commandments all turn immoral? (Then u shud stay away frm me...I'm most likely to become a crminal :-p)
and all the people who learn the commandments never faulter? n the ones hu faultered never learnt the commandments?...
Donno abt you, but I find it a bit difficult to digest...
At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
cats go to that big litter box in the sky...always clean fresh litter and lots of fish to eat and someone who is always at their beck and call to play with them, when they decide they desire it...
Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked,the good fortune to run into the ones I do,and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Allah knows the best, besides he who decides, what he deserves.And only Allah know what his thoughts are.....
In the amoral world,the "GUY" can be the archetype.
If he've been raised in an abusive home and never having moral or religious instruction, the GUY has created a sociopathic-thinking pattern that sees nothing wrong with killing animals or people.
Never having been taught the sixth commandment that “Thou shalt not kill,” the GUY views his task as a something normal, no different from that of fishing. Though extreme, GUY’s views demonstrate what a world without religious and moral law could logically become.
Fatcat: Where do cats go? ;)
At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
Dracula:"If we become a culture that is not based on any moral and religious foundation, then adultery, lying, stealing and finally murdering will simply be an option seen as normal behavior." Shall I assume that none of these things are at present happening in the present world since so much relegious righteousness exists? :-p
Also, tht even the ones that happen are committedon ly by those people who do not confess to any faith?
I do agree with the 'moral' part u mentioned though!
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At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
Notfromhere, no, this is not Gypsy!
This GUY will be stuck between heaven & hell without exit permit! Like Dracula: dead and alive forever!
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But,let's imagine this "GUY#2" as a deformed human being unable to understand moral thought!
If we become a culture that is not based on any moral and religious foundation, then adultery, lying, stealing and finally murdering will simply be an option seen as normal behavior. Without a spiritual and moral foundation, GUY#2’s logic will no longer seem twisted because we will have lost any basis by which to measure it.
Islandrock: I reply to you with another question, do angels have a gender?
Soul has no shape, it's ethereal, doesn't keep the human form, it may appear to you looking like the person it was incarnated in when you met but it has no shape or dimension ;)
Advise you to read:
http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritstoc.html
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
music is the only true soul :)
Sorry, I forgot that soul existed in music.
why dont you believe in soul? you should listen to it sometime..Stevie Wonder, Lionel Richie, Diana Ross!!!
When his time comes, he will die. And his energy that was build up since his birth and acquired from the earth will comes out from him and will be reused on earth. His body will decompose and comes back to soil. Pardon me, because I don't believe in soul. Because I have lots of question about soul. Ex. Does the soul has clothes or dress? If the soul is dressed, does the dress has a soul also? How many souls are already in heaven and hell? Trillion? Quadrillion, Zintillion since the dawn of man? Where is heaven and hell? Both are in the space? Or the center of the earth?lots lots....
Gypsy? Is that you?? :-D :-P
Winn, you're gonna burn in hell!
JBH: I have been taught that a man would be judged based on his karma, not what God he prayed to!!
Its a different matter though that I do not believe in heaven n hell..
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At the end of our life our questions are simple: Did I live fully? Did I love well?
Np Clear, i don't get offended easilly ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Corleone: Think it's called religious freedom, everyone has the right to have his own religion but no idea what are their beliefs, only know that Tom Cruise is one of them
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
umm.. why is there a church of scientology ad at the bottom of the page?
that's one group of people i can afford to publicly hate and demean for being ignorant pricks.
karma,
what you did to others will come back to you.
m isabel
lol, it was a typo, i meant pray ;)
Not offended at all ;)
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
Since he had no access in life to god. All his deeds and good things will be counted, sure he will be in good place only.
Remember the story of a man going to heaven for giving his only drop of water to a starved dog.
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"His creator knows what will happen to him."
How come his Father & Mother know about that ??????
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
I havent met such people QT and as you mentioned if they are there, Allah has already put a measure to prevent such thing to happen the Quran says
"Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and reason with them in ways that are best and most gracious." (Quran 16:125)
so if they arent complying with the verse, then probably they are hitting the wrong way.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
...my question is have you met those that I have described?
If not, good for you!
If so, what have you done to prevent their agressive stance?
QT i havent met all Muslims, in Qatar anyone who wants to know about Islam can go to fanar (Qatar islamic cultural center) and the method they deliver the message is what i tell you before. a friend of mine works there.
and yes I have met many Muslims that deliver the message and they only delivered the way Allah described in Quran.
and Alhamdulilah i have witnessed many new muslims which got the message in their heart at first hearing.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
:)
DO you guide them on how they shouldn't try and be so persuasive the way you guide so many on how to live a good life?
No that is not what Islam teaches, its once you deliver the message its upto God's guidance for that person to revert to Islam or not.
he already said "Who ever Allah guides non can misguide and who ever he allows to go stray non can guide" .
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
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...doesn't convert, its because they haven't been persuasive enough and hence are commiting an offence in the eyes of "God/Allah".
Hence they feel they have to be more persuasive!
Catch 22 don't ya think!
Ofcourse the Almighty has foreseen this and has a mighty plan! lol
Doubt he'll survive if the rest of his village have anything to do with it. Bet he makes them sick to their teeth! weg
Yes it Muslim;s duty to tell the message but its not duty to force, and its not duty to judge.
Allah said in Quran ("There is no compulsion in religion," Sura 2:257 and "Say: O you who reject faith, I do not worship what you worship, nor do you worship what I worship...To you be your religion, and to me be mine," Sura 109:1-6
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
"He has never seen a religous book.
Never been tought a religous code.
Never said a prayer."
GOD sees all, knows all, He doesn't need you to prey, or to have a code, all you need to do up on others is what you would like others to do for you.
All religions talk about this but some people "think" God will love them more if they prey, get a pure heart and God will see it.
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي
I am you and you are me, if you love i love, if you suffer i suffer
أنا أنت, و أنت أنا, إذا أحببت نفسك أحببت نفسي, إذا عانيتَ عانيتُ
he will go 2 hell. 4 sure.
Amen to that QT.
I wish most mullahs could apply that to everyone and not try to force religion upon people!
From what I've been told it's a muslims duty to spread the "words of God" to these people, hence they commit a crime by not telling people at every opportunity.
Hence we get so many prechers without much thought to their preaching!
I think even if he has seen several religious books and chose not to follow any, but was a good man, MY OPINION is that something good awaits for him.
His creator knows what will happen to him.
Poverty is not for the sake of hardship. No, it is there because nothing exists but God. Poverty unlocks the door -- what a blessed key!
- Jalaluddin al-Rumi
This is a good question. In the holy Quran this issue was treated.Allah Stated in Quran (وما كنا معذبين حتي نبعث رسولا).It means “Allah ONLY may punish after sending a Messenger". If there is no Messenger from Allah reached this guy, and he died like this, He would not be quistioned or punished and would go to heaven for sure.
Please note that Allah stated Messenger and not Prophet. As Not all Prophets are Messengers. Messenger means he carries a specific Message from Allah to people to invite them to a certain Believe or Religion, like Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohamed.
Prophet can be just a highly Believer/Religious person, but is NOT carrying a certain Message/Religion or orders from Allah to his people to invite them to believe as well, like Isaac and Jacob
So, All the Messengers are Prophets but not all the prophets are messengers.
U support Tigs - loooooool - that explains it! Them cats r still breathing...........Gin time! Have a super weekend.......................luv it!
so he's never seen a religious book, never been taught a religious code, never even mumbled a simple prayer,... at least, he's doing good deeds and doesn't harm other people,.. i think that could make up for what he lacks as mentioned above,.. :)
I agree with Tigasin. If there is a God, and I believe there is one, he'll be welcomed in to wherever good people go after they die.
I think he will live a fruitful and satisfying life. Who cares what will happen after his death?
I dream of a better tomorrow where Chickens can cross the Road without having their motives questioned - Unknown
Not bored, I just love to ask this question to followers of faiths.
I am genuinely interested in the varying answers.
They can be quite enlightening.
Call me Maninibat!
Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and Hi! I have a couple of floosies and a bottle of gin or 5 at my place - interested? Hic!
Boredom got to your mind as well? :)
Ban Spoon Feeding not Me
as far as my understanding of the "BOOK", kindness is not the only criteria to be save. Wealth and intelligence will not save man from the lake of fire. You need to specifically follow what HE commanded and not what you perceived to be right. The "Book" is silent about your kind of man in this article, so don't bother to know what will happen to him?
"dgoodrebel will always be the rebellious good one"
Then he will enjoy eternal life in heaven.
Just call me Tigasin. That's what I'm talking about