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Aisha-Taweela said:

I agree that there are issues to be done on the labor side. But then again, look at other countries where the same thing goes on, and I am not talking about Arab countries, but the USA in their treatment of the Hispanics, the European countries towards their foreign labour forces. It is all over the world like this. Dont just blame the GCC staes. They have seen the examples come from the West!

Aicha

Are you refering about the illegal migrant workers in America?

If that is the case, you need to understand that Before 9-11, it was a walk in the park for any illegal migrant worker to work in the USA, there was a blind eye to your INS status as long you came over to work.

But since 9-11 all the laws have being reenforced or rewritten in the name of homeland security. It is real hard to maintain a valid Migrant worker visa.

PS

For information about AMERICAN labor Unions and laws read the following articles.

Labor history of the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_history_of_the_United_States

United States Labor laws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_labor_law

Labor unions in the United States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States

If that is not the case, then you need to ask yourself where is Jimmy Hoffa? For your answers.

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PM, I think you miss understand me. I am not putting blame on the USA when I say the West. Not at all. I think I refer more to "old" Europe than the USA.

Also I am not saying that Qataries have to pay for schools. I meant this for the foreigners that go to Qatari schools.

Also I am not married to a Qatari. I am a single mom. I have lived here for 18 years now, coming from Switzerland and saw there the treatment that the Italians & Spaniard (laborers) got ther versus the treatment the Swiss got.

And when I say that the management (non Qataries) are responsible for the treatment of the laborers I am not refering to Americans either, but to other nationalities (you know which ones I refer to, I hope)

So please do not get onto your high horse. I do not want to offend any Americans, nor any other nationalities. I just want to say that the GCC countries got their lessons from the West.Remember 50 years ago they were sort of non-existing as a state. They still have a lot of catching up to do and as was said, the tain is on its way, but you don't want it to go to fast.

As far as the slave traders go I think most of the slaves were taken to the US, or am I wrong here? Then it was a question of demand and supply, the same as it is a question of demand & supply now. I do not agree with it then, nor do I agree with it now.

As you noticed in my post I complained about Najeeb who in my eyes is the big hyporate.

Aisha-Taweela

every thing else is way over my head. I'd like to debate it with you but your right I don't know enough to debate it well with you. And on top of that seems like we are on the same side but, with differences of opinions too.

caio for now.

I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.

FYI I have been many times to the USA and FYI the education here in Qatar is not free but the parents of kids attending the Qatari schools have to pay a very minimal fee, which is more the equivalent of lunch money for kids in the USA.

I do not say either that I agree with the treatment of the laborers. Not at all. But I am also saying that it is not the government that treats the laborers that way, but it often is the management (foreigners) of private companies that are in charge and treat the laborers that way.

Aisha-Taweela

Thank you for this link. Very interesting. However halfway I nearly closed the debate as I was so discusted by Dr. Najeeb, who in my eyes is a big hypocrate. I worked for him when he was a minister and I can tell you from personal experience that the things he was trying to say about the bad treatment of the workers is exactlty how he treated his own workers. I got fired from his company (after actually doing a very good job and saving him a lot of money)I received NO salary - nothing. A phone call at night at my home.saying:"You are fired" I got a lawyer involved and wanted to claim my salary - at least for the notice period (as per my contract). My lawyer, after having written to Najeeb, advised me because he was Minister of Justice, they could no longer defend my case as the office of the minister had adviced them not to persue & they would risk to lose their licence if they continued this case.

I agree that there are issues to be done on the labor side. But then again, look at other countries where the same thing goes on, and I am not talking about Arab countries, but the USA in their treatment of the Hispanics, the European countries towards their foreign labour forces. It is all over the world like this. Dont just blame the GCC staes. They have seen the examples come from the West!

Aisha-Taweela

policy. Then they should have a naturalization policy, this is a mistake not to have one! No protection. If you are born in a country you should have the same rights, no matter the nationality of the person. If that person has been a steady participant of that countries society since birth then yes they are entitled to the same educational, health and housing rights. If not how are they to continue contributing and grow in society. They have no room to move forward, thus they will be in the same rut as the people they are trying to help. As you can see the foreign workers (labourers) "as a rule" in your society are treated very shitty. I say as a rule because there seems not much the government of qatar or companies hiring these workers are doing to improve their conditions, they just let it happen. if you think that qatar and saudi are not in it for the profit then one needs to be re educated.

When you have 80% of the workers in a country from different countries "FRIGGIN" building and/or running a country don't you think they should have rights?

And yes, her expectation of a equal free education is founded!

I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.

I loved the bit when the Qatari guy stood up and said how come us Qatari's get it so easy when all the other workers are suffering.. It was great!

I found this very informative, especially in light of some of the forums I have read praising qutar for how great a place it is." If something sounds to good to be true" "then it is" I am glad to see that there are many people of different nationalities participating in the debate! it go's to show one that the atrocities committed against the laborers is a serious matter in countries like qatar and that people from all over care.

I am also baffled by the fact that this woman was born in doha, has been there for 40 years and does not have the same free educational and housing rights as nationals of qatar.

I am always excited to go to sleep! In anticipation of the new experience I will find awaiting me.

i missed this... thanks for the link :)

Thanx for sharing the link

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