No night out alone: Top cop to women
The commissioner of Delhi Police, BK Gupta, feels that women should be accompanied by male relatives if they venture out at odd hours.
"You can't travel alone at 2am and then say Delhi is not safe."
"It would be ideal if a woman takes her brother or driver along (when venturing out late)," he said at a meeting organised by the women's wing of the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry on Saturday.
"It's wrong to say the Capital is not safe for women. My daughter is in London and she's been advised not to venture out after 9pm. Street crime is rampant in London as well. My daughter has been a victim of purse snatching there," he said.
Activists, however, termed Gupta's statement "shocking".
They said the 85,000-men-strong Delhi Police should be able to provide safety to each and every person at any time in the Capital.
Ranjana Kumari, women's rights activist, said, "This statement from the police chief is unacceptable. Today, women work in various industries and they can't take their brothers and fathers along. Instead of making the city safe for women, he is putting the onus on the victim."
"This is ridiculous. The police are violating the right to life and they can't put restrictions on women," Mishika Singh, one of the organisers of SlutWalk in the Capital, said.
On the rising number of rape cases in the Capital, Gupta defended the police force, saying in most cases the victims and the accused were known to each other.
"I can't go and guard every home."
But Gupta agreed that women did not trust male cops.
"When I was joint commissioner (New Delhi range), I visited Jesus and Mary College, where students told me that men cops were more troublesome than roadside stalkers."
Rizks u are still available for Good Morning ;)
Oopsss ! :( Morning DaRuDe, how are you my friend ?
A very good morning to you. :)
nice one :)
Amen, Kareena.
strong aunties....hahahaha
ingeniero good points
anyway its better to stay at home in night whether boys or girls.or i can say girls should not go alone at night but strong aunties can ;)
Pakistan would become a democratic country like India.. Government of the people, by the people, for the people. This dictatorship won't get them anywhere. No one in their right mind would vote for Zardari.. I personally believe that if Imran Khan became the prime minister of Pakistan, things would take a turn for the better.. But only if that were possible..
hahahaha...
thats the last day for me, to escape from the city of beasts. ;)
whats so special before 21st?
.. and Kareena I suppose you have not been to this place called Goa yet, where the European tourists find it a lot safer then back home to wander around with the minimum of clothes and sometimes topless too even late into the night and where the local guys are more scared and afraid of being seen with this tourists then the tourists are of the locals
Tinker, I have no problem in Pakistanis like Kareena fussing over India. After all India is their " raison d' etre ". Ours is a democratic country and the media and journos play an active role in highlighting corruption and bad social activities. We sort out our problems by attacking them rather than sweep them under the carpet. As for Mr. BK Gupta's statement I believe there is some rationality. Delhi has expanded into UP and Haryana (both the places cannot be termed as female friendly). Delhi outskirts are dangerous and one needs to be vigilant all the time. Hard to accept for Indians because crime rate was less a decade ago and Delhi has always been a people friendly place - hence the shock.
Kareena, could U please arrange ur upcoming visit to Karachi before 21st of July?
i told u last time also, that my wish is that they be safe always.. btw why u are mentioning every time that u are living in defence? what i have to do with that?? robbors ask them especially where they live??? which phase which sector which house no???there are a lot of others, with whom nothing happened.. they having good life, no robbary, nothing.. i don't know why this happened to all of your family members?and why u search every time negative points against both countries?
In Qatar, I sometimes leave home for a movie at 8 and then come home at midnight after a movie and dinner. ALONE.. No one has ever followed me home or tried to act fresh with me. If a woman can be so safe here in Qatar, why can't she be safe back home in Pakistan or India. A woman need not depend on a man to take her out or drop here and pick her up.. She would be able to live independently..
Some people try to bring up India Pakistan rivarly into everything.. I just posted this article in response to the slut walk discussion last week. My point was to prove that first they were blaming women for dressing up indcently and hence they invite rape and now they are blaming them for going out alone.. Then some Painther guy accused me of being anti Indian so I told him that is not true because I have posted negative news in the past about my own country Pakistan as well .. I am not against India or Pakistan, I just post what I read and what I find interesting.. Indians accuse me of being anti Indian and Pakistanis accuse me of being pro Indian and anti Pakistani.. How can I stuff this information into their fat heads that I am not anti or pro anything.. I am the most neutral person on the world.
Cannot face the truth.. I have said several times that whatever I write here is the truth and nothing but the truth. I am not making up anything. I guess from now on I should post proof as well.. I guess the next time I speak to my aunty or cousin in Karachi and when they tell me so and so person was robbed, I am going to ask them to send me the proof and a copy of the police report.. Would that suffice Ingenrio?
Where did Pakistan came again from????This thread is about Delhi....
Everyone in my family from my aunt, uncle, cousins to my distant relatives have been robbed at gun point.. Their mobiles, cash and jewerly taken. My cousin's car was stolen in broad daylight then found somewhere few days later all empty and bare.. We live in Defense which happens to be one of the nicest areas in Karachi and even then all this happens.. Most of my relatives who also live in good areas been robbed at gun point and their houses broken into.. It happens a lot in Karachi.. As I said before, the only reason I visit Karachi every year and I am going again next months is because of the simple reason that I have family there.. I go there to visit them.. Otherwise I would never step in that country..
lol.. just to prove that her action is right.. she started again against pakistan.. what u can do else.... just to justify ur self you changed the position and start talking again pakistan,all my indian friends - sorry for a while.K74: can you prove that pakistani police is worse then indian police? better even u watch their channels, not the serial channels, (news channels) situation is much worse in pakistan? last time when u were in pakistan, did someone rapped you? robbed you? snatched every thing from you on gun point? robbary happen in every corner of the world, curroption is present in every corner of the world, and btw it depends upon the families, culture and how they brought up also, u are very unlucky that your relatives can't drop u for a party and can't wait outsidebtw the suicide attack will happen in night? lol they are celebrating or want to kill people???and make your reseach vast.. go check search, you baby girl. to increase popularity of QL, there are a lot ov other ways,,your comments/views show your mentality level/approach.. its not your fault
and that word "ideal".The guy is also a father like me and others. His is an advise, not an instruction. Option, not a rule. The risks of being a victim is what he is saying (that's how I look at it). But again, the "progressive" thinker will say otherwise.
Flor - Even if what you are saying is right; this coming from the top cop seems like a fallacy.
about India here. Even in my own country or talking to my friends around the world, I would advise the same thing. The world we live now is a dangerous world. We just need to reduce the risks that we will be a victim of any crime.
This Gupta guy should be stripped of all his responsibilities immediately. It's the morons like this who earn a bad name for the entire denfence forces.
I dont see anything wrong here, Britexpat posts same stories about the brits, and he seems to cultivate a rather healthy discussion, Legal pad posts issues about the Philippines and most pinoys doesnt seem to mind.
Its an issue/topic that informs, ulness we give negative/racist comments, mods doesnt need to ue their power here.
flor1212, habibi what a valid point you made, crux of the matter!!!, sure you're not fit for QL (but for better things)...:D
Kareena has posted a right article and it is applicable to all ladies whichever country they live.
Why should ladies go around midnight alone and invite trouble. Freedom does not mean that you tempt people.
Police is not God - available all the time at all the places. One has to take precaution themself.
.. Well maybe a little less problems on the Indian side because our guys are used to working silently and on the quiet while looting the treasury and for this they normally have the whole family involved and then when they are caught they have father visiting daughter and the minster in jail and then the jail warden throwing them a tea party and it goes on and on just like a mini circus.
the man did not say "don't go out". He said "better to go out with escort or implying not to go out anymore during wee hours". It is a good suggestion. If you go out and something bad happens, then you are within your right to complain but never think that you were not warned or adviced?It was a general advise and many would tend to make specifics. Not the same!
Getting back to the topic..
The Police chief makes a valid point that women need to be more vigilant also. This applies everywhere. Not just india.
Thanks for understanding my point of view. I love everyone and I do not hate anyone.. I am a very peace loving person and that is why the situation in my country Pakistan and especially in my home town Karachi saddens me a lot. It is very unfortunate indeed.. Alter Dusty has never been to Karachi so he has no idea what happens there but I have family who are lving there right now and I hear horror stories every day... I am sure situation in India is much better than Paksitan and the Indian police not as corrupt as Pakistani police.
I just posted an article here for general knowledge as an aftermath of the discussion last week regarding slut walk and how some people blame women for dressing up as sluts when they get raped. My point here is that the police once again are blaming women for going out alone.. First the accusation of dressing up in skimpy clothes and now asking them to go chaperoned everywhere...
This is not possible these days... You cannot ask your father or brother or whoever to drop you at a party and then pick you up couple of hours later.. Or expect them to sit and wait in the car outside..
Once again, I am just trying to defend women.. Whether they are Indian or Pakistani or Western..
wtever u said is correct bt the place u have invested ur effort is wrong.
"Here in this article, I feel the police are to blame because it is their duty to look after their country people instead of telling them what to wear and what time not to go out at night".....
isnt it also the responsibility of the police to make the citizens aware of the dangers and advice them what to do and what not in their own interest or do we expect that a police guy be attached to each citizen on 24x7 basis.
infact in QL, one will find it being anti india, anti pakistan, anti qatar, anti- america (West) and anti to almost all existing religions......seems, it should be renamed as AntiLiving.com... LOL
K74, your point of view noted; when I say QL being anti-India forum, it's not based on your posts only but based on general wider attributes of QL. perhaps you're more of a fun-case than a hatred-case.
HGL, currently i've seen four days street fight of "Bhatta Mafia, Land Mafia, Vote Mafia" in Karachi, but then the bloody "Shoot order on Sight" came.
sounds almost like "once upon a time in Mumbai"....are we talking about some mafia like thing here too...:)
once upon a time, the most sane (the QL moral police) gang use to jump on such topic with quotes, ' is this related to Qatar (living)'? and usually such post were trashed out to bin.....:P
TBI know the poster very well on QL, and some times she post way too smart ;)here U can read her, how she exaggerate any news.http://www.qatarliving.com/node/1939101
of post is used to release the frustration due to hatred for each others country
I always post artcles about Pakistan as well and that really offends Pakistanis like Tooba and lots of others.. Similary I post articles about India too.. My intention is not to hurt anyones sentiments. Here in this article, I feel the police are to blame because it is their duty to look after their country people instead of telling them what to wear and what time not to go out at night..
Regarding Pakistan and the link you posted, let me tell you that Pakistan is not unsafe just at night but 24 hours a day seven days a week.. Suicide bombing usually takes place in broad daylight and robbery takes place at night and during the day.. Pakistan's condition is ten times worse than India and we cannot leave our house without chanting a prayer saying Oh God, please bring me back home safe and sound..
Not only that, last year thieves broke into grandma's house middle of the night and robbed everyone and took whatever they could carry.
So you see, Pakistan's situation is worse than India because we are not safe in our own houses.. Our police force is much worse than India.
So instead of accusing me writing anti Indian stuff, please go thru all my previous posts where you will see I have written more stuff about my own country than about India..
For me, both are the same... I love India as much as I love Pakistan because India is where my roots are.. My ancestral home.. I have connections to India for thousands of years whereas I have been in Pakistan for only 64 years..
we too hav riots in our country bt the percentage of distruction is very high in ur place and u knw the reason Y.
to add lil with painther posted link"Shoot order at sight came from Interior Minister, when 69 fall, 90+ injured", and the death toll reach to almost 120, don't know about the injured, and one of them was 6 years old girl. :(Still the CM & IM are enjoying their protocols, this is what we know about Pakistani Politicians, how about on the other side of border, if same riots happened?
Rizk, doesn't matter who's Mod....QL is not the only anti India website, neither first nor last :)
lol painter - might be we have an Indian Mod ? :)
LOL...GOJ..well said, she deserve to be appreciated!!! afterall we can save time in reading newspaper (i mean Indian news papers)..
bytheway strange things happen in QL, once upon a time such posts were deleted with note from Mods, 'post in QLIG'
Well atleast appreciate she is trying to share something with the guys on Ql. She is not the author of the article and getting excited or saying things is not going to make the situation in the sub continent get any better
Happy, you're out of QL??, now I know why the QL was so dull & lifeless oflate :P
same here it was nice meeting you too,take care.
TB...I just told you...:) and thanks...
BTW what does it mean by "lil imp"???
That's his excuse for the Delhi cops not being able to offer ebough protection to women at night :-(
I think Qlers post anything and everything here to earn thier points with out realizing how its going to affect others?
well I'm not a regular qler but I found it strange .May be I'm not Ql meterial.
Have a nice day.
oh thank God qatar is safe even if u drive at night 1.00 alone.bt even though its good to take brother/father with u or any family member.
TB.... am already back and breathing in Doha...:)
@ Rizks... something new "Disable or enable rich text" on QL, seems to be making the problem reg. DP...
same here.. but did you noticed others also?
tinker, rightly said, "everyone has their limits to patience ...."
Guys don't take it all seriously and start fighting; for me, it was just an arrival note after a break of 10 days; :P
HGL i think ur fingers needs to be injected with Chloroform...:)
WHY isQL so meherban on me today... I post free with one...:)
TB....have people been busy with India when I wasn't around???...:)
DP...Seems the meditation thing is still around...:)
What is the opinion of the OP on the news???
I'm not defending Kareena or her post here but two wrongs don't make a right.there are so many other ways to correct or answer this thread then like this?
leelah,
hurt? No, I'm not. QL doesn't hurt me anymore :)
it was just a leg pulling to K74 for his HT dealership :P
same herewaiting for kareena response....
lemme arrange the chairs along with some freshly made bobcorn n bebsi ! :)
conditions mst be worse dan this in western countries bt its k if it happens dere. the problem is only in asian countries
That is not very nice I can understand you got hurt by Kareena's post but this is so not right .People are dying there forget about Pakistan or India atleast care about humane ?
the police is talkng abt 9pm and u go out at 9am
Kareena- another India obsessed QLer????
bytheway K74, this news article may be relevant to you more than what a cop says in Delhi...
http://tribune.com.pk/story/205202/karachi-violence-live-updates/
why don't you leave them on their own???
.. ..Well its understandable that the nights are not safe for women to be out by themselves but what about all this crimes, being done against women and men too in broad daylight, atleast he could do something about them to stop or minimize them.
he said "ideal".. he was giving his excuses because he feels that the police can't do a good job of protecting women..
9pm is my official meetup time with Ms.Ting Ling at Ramada...:(
then u definitely need a Cop
My life outside starts at 9pm..LOL..
It would be ideal if a woman takes her brother or driver along (when venturing out late)," how can he assure going out with drivers would be safe ??
I went out after 9am in London all the time. What the hell is the police officer talking about?
It is already followed in Pakistan... I mean usually women and girls do not go out alone especially after dark. They either take their drivers or husbands or fathers or brothers. During the day woman may drive themselves to work and some women may go out alone for groceries or to the beauty salon or to drop and pick up their kids from school or tuition but once darkness prevails, you will hardly ever see a woman driving or walking alone on the streets.
they need to follow the same
ahh i just remember when i was walking late night after watching a B grade movie in theatre and a tall dark person snatched my pink purse and ran away like a blink of an eye....i stood there with my blank stare....:(