Muslim school refused in australia
Has anyone come across this I thought its quite sad and shows the state of some people.
Just thought I would share it with you
Has anyone come across this I thought its quite sad and shows the state of some people.
Just thought I would share it with you
You need a reality check, A bi female will always be bi no matter who they are with. It is my experiance that there are always two types of bi females those that prefer to spend most of their time with men and choose to sleep with women when they feel like it and those that spend most of their time with women and sleep with men when they feel like it. If you felt that you "would have straightened them out" had they been with you then you are sadly mistaken. My psyco analisis of the situation would be less of the fact that you would have straightened her out and more of the fact that she was just not really into you in that way, In other words she was not sexually atttracted to you otherwise she would have sealed the deal.
Britexpat is right you also confuse bi and lesbian a lesbian is a female who is attracted to females only so if she was a lesbian then there was no attraction at all on her part towards you a bi sexual is some one who is attracted to both sexes be it a male or female also affectionatly known as a "double adaptor' or "fence sitter"
I can't help but read your posts salax and think that you have a very active fantasy life that is in noway based in reality.
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You interchange Bi and Lesbian..They are not the same.. Also, you say you would have "straightened them out" if they had gone out with you.. Does that mean you would have cured them of their illness ?
but bi females are homosexual..........or practice homosexuality, yet you tolerate them?....and a bi female probably would have been interested cos she's bi, if she were a lesbian, I doubt any man could sway their affections, its usually the other way. They start with men then go the other way!!
"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
why are bi females saved? Are they not the same as bi males? Do they have some of your mercy then?
"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
And i would make them wish they had never been born !!! Bunch of sick freaks !
And if yer a parent, yer would understand my sentiments......
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jeez salax, careful....I'm not sure Elton John has come out as a paedophile.....i wouldn't fancy paying the legal fees on that slander case!!
"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Pedophiles and homosexuals are two entirely different things Salax.
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King of pop. Hes just a washed up old has-been from the 70's who is now a raging kiddy fiddler, and needs some serious punishment, rather than just fleeing to Cambodia or wherever, so he can practise his sick life.....
I would love 1 hour in a locked room with that twat !
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Yes I did back in the 90's.
Well I've yet to see people accept something without it being glamorized. Unless it's up in big shiny lights people tend not to notice.
I suppose to KNOW I mean simply to understand the major tenets or philosophies of a culture. The less foreign it is, the less frightening it is. (I still don't know what the major tenets of Scientology are and those freaks scare the bajesus out of me.)
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Perhaps promoting homosexuality is a better term when referring to the present media situation. It is one thing to let people make their choices and stop the hatred and prejudice (which usually happens through having a few "happy" friends) and another to glamourize them. It irks me when I see the same happen with Islam and people trying to convert others by making it more digestable to the masses and themselves.
It depends on your definition of knowledge of course. I find that to KNOW a people, culture or religion requires immersion into their way of life. So we can see the situation through their eyes and ours at the same time. Giving us a greater understanding of the situation and the roles we are playing within it.
Of course if we cannot be bothered then it is much easier to let bygones be bygones. (spell check)
Maryum : Umm Hasan bint Abdullah Alshabrawishi
Media has been used on occasion to spread peace and harmony, I think the last few decades the media has been working hard to promote acceptance of homosexuality, which is great.
It's up to the education systems as well, all religions and ideas should be taught, not just one, or a handful. More knowledge doesn't neccesarily make you accept or respect something more (sometimes the opposite) but it does make you less likley to fear it and respond violently.
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Gypsy you are right
That is how the hot blooded rednecks will see Islam. Isn't the media a wonderful tool to incite prejudice and violence. Just think of how effective it could be to spread peace and harmony around the world. (dreams)
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even they are banned in you bangladesh and you dont know them strange. check this link
http://www.hizmetbooks.org/Endless_Bliss_Second_Fascicle/bliss2-36.htm
go down point number 3.
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"Charging.. u need to get recharged mate." What does that mean salax?
cast thats banned for preaching in Muslim nations is Qadiyani.
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a Muslim nation prohibited non Muslims from creating their worship places or educational institute??
Silly isnt it.
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No Salax, read what I wrote, I'm saying thats what rednecks will think. Not that that's what I think.
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Slowly but surely things will change. Sadly though, all most people will read is what they want to. Those who hate Muslims will read .said's post and say "See I was right." Those that hate Westerners will read what they want into mine and say "See I was right"
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am reading will fire at once on all of you.
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The same is true for many "hick' towns across the world. With globalization and migration, communities are changing and so will the attitudes. It's for governments and us as individuals to help change those attitudes and mindsets. Not easy, but can be done.
Oh. :S Ok.
Seriously, I grew up in a small inbred, red neck town. I know how these people think. All Muslims are a bunch of terrorists and camel jockey's. These people aren't what you'd call worldly and educated.
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ure right. This guy Hariom is totally crazy. Just giving a wrong impression of indians. Doesnt he know what his nickname 'Hariom' means ?. he writes contadictory to his nickname.
A request to the moderator: Whenever a forum is created in Qatarliving (any section), please automatically add this post by Hariom around 10 times, each after a random number of posts:
"Muslims have high handed behavior towards Indians, thier overreactions stinks and they should be thrown out"
Thank you.
Huh? What am I impossible about?
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Yes Nadt...you are quite correct. White man invaded Aust to claim it as their own....as they did in America (Nativie Indians), New Zealand (Maoris) etc etc. While we are at it, lets go to those Romans who invaded and claimed lands regardless of who was there first. I understand it very well...I studied history too but this thread wasn't started on a history topic.
I apologise if I wasn't clear. We (and I do speak for many aussies I know) have no problem with people coming to, yes legally speaking my country, and bringing their religion with them. I have no desire to stop them practising it, in school or not. My daughter was learning Ba hai just before we moved here. I was only trying to point out that alot of Aussies are against certain groups of people because now our traditions (incl smoking ceremonies by the Aboringals) cannot be respected. We find it strange that in our childhood, we had santa, jesus etc. Then when I was older, Moses and the Prophet (peace be upon him) were around. No big deal. Then our traditions are slowly being taken away because of a vocal minority. People tend to get upset by this. Trust me, from an Aussie point of view, religion doesn't rate that high when compared to other things. You have lived in Australia for a while, didn't you hear the murmurings of people complaining about what others are trying to take away? I;m not condoning anything but just trying to say why some aussies are against muslims.....other reasons than religion.
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I know many British Christians who converted to Islam. They do this because they find something of value in it. The same must be true for Indians.
Also, which aspects of Western sciety that Indians have accepted are you referring to?
get a life ... hope that you are not one of those that you are talking about ... Just wondering where is the moderators when someone like you is missing around, can't find a moment of peace whenever he opens his mouth nothing coming but .....
Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment. (Gautama Buddha)
Thier overreactions stinks....
Muslims are the ones who are polluting the earth by overreacting , but there are some elements of western culture which are unacceptable to some societies yet Indians have accepted it willingly.......
But the Muslims are aggravating the whole issue and make it ten times worse no stereotypes but their foolishness in their attitude by stereotyping is pathetic and deserve humiliation
Especially the Poor indians get converted to Islam...easily......
Thats the whole issue...........
nigirammini..If you read my previous posts on the first pages, i agreed that the refusal was not based on religious discrimination. Im not going to repeat what i said earlier....Ive said what i have to say on this issue, im out of this thread..
Nadt, if you live in Australia you should be aware of the facts. Snowyowl is correct, the school was declined on the basis of geographical location due to several environmental issues, not on religious discrimination or cultural deploy. Australia is an extremely accommodating society in which we have compromised our own traditions, culture, beliefs and religious celebrations, to the extent of some even being abolished (as mentioned in an earlier post), denying the younger and future generations the right to celebrate.
Learn my friend also on the facts of indigenous Australian historical facts.! Yes, displaced, stolen and even massacred. Horrendous! No one for one minute would not deem this as inhumane, but keep in mind the sanctioned government ruling at that time.
I wonder how the following generations will view our current decision making!!
that in order to understand the situation you first have to learn about a few demographics about it. As an Aussie and some one who has lived in NSW and particularly sydney for the majaority of my life there are things that I wish to shed light on. First of all the proposed school was going to be built in an area that is by no means tolerente of any "outsiders" they could have proposed to build it in an area were a majority of muslims reside such as Lakemba. living in sydney you know these simple facts most of the jewish population in NSW lives in and around the North shore and eastern suburbs why? because they can afford it. Chatswood is were you will find a lot of expatriates from Honk Kong and China, Lakemba has one of the biggest Mosques in the southern hemisphere and also the majority of muslim expats live in and around this area. Liedchardt is well known as little Italy (no guesses why?) if you live in Rookwood your more than likley dead, if you live in Newtown or paddington then there is a possibility that your more than likley gay,If you live in redfern or blacktown chances are you are of aboriginal decent. While to some this comment may seem racists the truth of the matter is when you grow up in Sydney these things are mostley true you only have to go to these areas to see this. It is not because we have forced those people to live there it is because that is were the largest support network for these people are.
Haa what speaks crap about the place is that the successful indians out here arent too successful as with every place they may be muslim converts or people who go to the extent of begging around........
The arabs in general have a high handed attitude towards the Indians out here in terms of the restrictions they impose......
Success is only visible to the naked eye but the struggles go on ...... I am not whining What in fact i was subject to was office bullying , which will be there in every part of the world...From my interactions the muslims have a high handed behavior towards the indians so it serves them right as their perception is pathetic and they need to read the Geeta first before they start with the namaz......
PhillyEagles2007....U converted by any chance???.....sounds like it.....
"It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid."
- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Good....Inshallah they r thrown out of the western world The same way how they have an high handed attitude towards the Indians and nepalis.../
but as soon as they cross over the causeway,and arrive in Bahrain, its hypocrasy all the way...drinking, hookers, you name it, its done here.
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charging, what planet are you from!? If you think muslims frown upon alcohol and adultry you are sadly mistaken....i want the drugs you are taking!
Charging your right, if only people do free themselves from these political games that strive to cause hate between people to serve their agendas. The problem is that the media is very powerful and when you get people like that mufti whos talks out of his ar## and the media who like to sensationalise everything, you will get the xenophobic people pouncing on these issues..
Haariom, Mir, skudmissle, whatever you call yourself these days, you do have a point, the sponsorship laws leave a lot to be desired here and defintely need changing, again two wrongs dont make a right. Labourers and maids arent treated well here and i hope this changes soon and they are treated like everyone else.
However i dont think you fit in this category(maid/labourer) and i know many Indians who are very successful here in Qatar. If you put the amount of energy into your career as you put into whinging here maybe you can join some of your fellow Indians who are very successful here.
Snowstorm..just because its legal it still doesnt make it alright...Anyway i dont want to go around in circles and i can appreciate your point of view..
nadt and snowyowl, you are not talking at some distant frequencies. To me, both of you are right and your comments are not mutually exclusive (i.e., contradicting). Sure the westerners feel hijab as backward, but they don't have any right to mock or ban it. Similarly, Muslims think the same about alcohol and adultery, but we shouldn't be mocking them either. It's their culture and we shouldn't be worried about what they are doing. Maybe the sheikh in Australia shouldn't have said those statements about cat and meat, just concentrated on Muslims girls to stay away from that behavior.
On the other side, it is a fact that there is a proper campaign in the West to make Muslims look inferior and backward, as I have pointed out in my post:
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/113163
So why not the masses free themselves from these political games and get on well with each other?
Good or bad,we are all here by choice and not force. This is the bottom line.
Hariom don't you have anything else to say besides this. This is the second time you are repeating this and have also posted it. By the way where did you the idea from? Don't generalize things. I am an Indian and have never ever been treated by the arabs as you mention.
The arabs treat the indians as third rated citizens The arabs dont let Indians progress when it comes to their selfish interests they want to go the west and create a dozen schools of faith..... Nonsense......
Good that the western world decries it
yeah Harry, totally agree with that...their needs to be a balance for society to co-exist peacefully, especially for the future generations
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Muslims in ther ountries like US UK, Australia do contribute to the society. These societies, through their level of development and laws allow freedom of speech, freedom to practice religion and overall tolerance.. The problem is that there are always idiots on both sides. The Xenophobes and the Muslim extremists. It is up to society at large to stand up to these extremists.
If i start to review your write up, probably I will need to borrow your Arabic-English dictionary.
How do you correctly spell the following words that you wrote:
Guinese Book, welock and ppl.
My advice to you, that before you start pointing at others grammatical errors, you need to start looking closely at your own write up first. Definitely you don't write the best english yourself.
Snowyowl.Your saying when people migrate they should respect that country, my inclusion of the Aboriginals is similar to this thread, why is it that when the English migrated over took the country and didnt accept that the orginial occupants of Australia lived to their own way and cultures and forcibly changed that, sorry but its sort of the same of what your claiming immigrants are now doing.
Also your comment about: 'No other culturual group has moved into Aust and demanded and got such huge changes as Muslims .
To answer that question yes i know of a group who did that, its the English who migrated to Australia not only demanded but killed Aborigines in the process because they refused to change their ways to accomodate the English culture into their country. You even claim it now to be your country, well i dont see it that way, its was orginially their country. Like you said they are still to date arent treated well. (p.s I have nothing against the English people, infact most of them are against this sort of treatment, however i am only referring to the history of what happened in Australia during settlement period)
Ive been in in Australia 32 years and im not sure what we demanded and got except the freedom to practice our religion within the bounds of the law, which every other religous group is entitled to (according to Australian law). If you are referring to the Islamic schools well as long as there a other religious private schools, then why not, when all religiou schools are banned then well that will be another story..
Jesus said:
U.S.A (blacks/red indians)
1-Are those red indians from India? Maybe your Color TV needs adjustment.
For your own information, they are consider constitutionally NATIVE AMERICANS.
2-> is consider a name and the letter "J" is capitalized.
(.)
My advice to you, that before you start pointing at others grammatical errors, you need to start looking closely at your own write up first. Definitely you don't write the best english yourself.
Why is it? That most of your compositions are always laced with anti-western statements all the time?
I do forgive you for your own personal ignorance, prejudice, transgressions and grudges that you are holding against the western world.
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I was pondering, If your passport was issue by some Taliban or Al qaeda organization.
Just Be careful Gypsy, they might start a jihad or ban all those Koalas dolls and kangaroos from their Zoos and gift shops. I would hate, not to eat anymore my Kiwi for lunch.
Its give and take, whatever you give you will get it back whichever way it is positive or negative. If you respect and accept others you will be accepted and respected by others, if not not you face the same what you do to others.
Britexpat, i agree with you, especially the refusal of this school, it clearly shows that its a plannning issue not a religious, but also whe you see protesters placing pigs head on the proposed sight,, i guess its hard to walk away from that statement. Seems like these days there too many battles. However when all said and done, you cant change the way people feel about you but i strongly commend the Australian governemnt being fair with their laws which dont discriminate against any religious group and as we all know in AUstralia theres every religious group under the sun residing there..
Couldn't have put it better myself. However, as I said before, Muslim have to be less head strong and pick the battles they fight.
You'll probably found that the Jewish community hav their own schools. The problem is that the Muslims gt a bad press, but are also too vocal and too headstrong for their own good.
nadt...yes Aust is a multiculutural place and also a soveriegn nation and its something that we are proud of.
The point I was trying to make is that we do accept all and allow people to be who they are but after people who were welcomed into our country then started to dictate how we should live and how our children should live kinda started to get up people's noses. Friends back home agree with me that no one really is bothered with what others do, I have an Islamic school in my neighbourhood back home and no one really cares, its just another school.
No other culturual group has moved into Aust and demanded and got such huge changes as Muslims have. Its that which cause people and the media to react, not so much that it is a different religion. We like our attitude and way of life and feel like any other culture we feel threatened.
And yes, the aboringals were treated badly and still are today but thats another different debate.
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Let me get this straight. It is ok for France to ban the hijab but Saudi is wrong formaking women wear abaya in public. It is ok for bigots in all over the west to oppose anything that is even remotely Islamic because it goes against their culture and traditional values, but in the Muslim countries we HAVE to accept intermingling, dating, fornication and adultery, women who are not dressed in a religiously acceptable manner, the increasing spread of drugs and alcohol, the destruction of the family unit, and if some people had their way the propogation of other religions because we as Muslims are "still stuck in dark ages."
One of the reasons I left my native country (which is in the west) was because I wanted to live a more Islamic life. I understand and have no objection to the idea that people have the right to live in the manner they choose in their house and or country. I understand that my place of birth is not a muslim country so I left to find a place that better suited me.
The problem is now that I'm here, the same people who don't want to change their ways are insisting that we muslims change our countries to make them more comfortable. This is a clear and disgusting double standard. So remember you can't have your cake and eat it too!
Got to agree with you. However, schools should teach morality, ethics, tolerance and humanity. These are basic constituents of most religions anyway..
Schools are there to teach Multicultural faiths, so NO religion should be taught.
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"I was pondering, If your passport was issue by some.."
..was ISSUED
When will you grow?
The same way how the arabs are treating the indians as some third rated citizens the same manner the western countries ought to treat a pack of cowards and sick addicts as such restrict their movements...
Snowyowl..Last time i checked Australia was a multicultural country, even the Anglo Saxons are migrants, well the first fleet were actually convicts..
Hence living in a multicultural society means you will get all sorts of races and religions practising their own religion and culture.
Your advice about accepting the country all of it is true, Im sure the Aborgines wouldve agreed with you a long time ago before they started to get wiped out for living in "their country" or the stolen generation".
Flanstou i agree with you, fair go to everyone..
ALexa they have banned all types of religious classes in schools . I remember when i was in school they used to have religious instructions classes for Christians but not everyone had to attend. Over the years due to the diversity in religions this was banned.
As for Sunday schools in the area i used to live in they used to have it but a few years ago there was community pressure to ban that also because residents didnt want student noises in the weekend. im really not sure if they still run these classes.
Theres all types of religious schools in Australia, and the last time i heard the religous schools were working on projects to conduct excursions for these schools to visit and learn about each others faiths and practices to promote racial and religious understanding and tolerances which i think is a step in the right direction..
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Shukron habib...may everything anta yamlok be rraheeb!! (ok I admit I gotta work on grammar ;-) )
Its the best i can do when typing ;-?
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but sure I can help whatever i know in Arabic :-)
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Sorry speed...can you help in the right way of phoneics speeling?? I kinda guessed that...can say it (with an aussie accent!) but can't spell it? What's the best way for future reference?
Thanks for your support flanostu
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for 2 mins i was thinking what does "Sheway" "Sheway" means in arabic .... yea it is "little" "little
Really like the way you pronounced it ;-)
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snowyowl you may be blonde but you're correct. If they proposed the school to be built in another area it'd be a non issue.
As mentioned previously there are a few idiots in Aust, as there is in every country, however the fact is this is just a media beat up due to the fact that it's a muslim school.
Everybody in Australia has the right to a fair go, so do the Muslims.
School's Out!!!
As an aussie, have to comment....
Did anyone read the numbers supporting the school?? There would be, knowing the Aussie system etc numbers to better support that same school in another area. just because it is wanted in an area doesn't mean it's warrented.
And as for comments for certain behaviours being from uneducated people...yes, they may be true but there is alot of unrest in Aust from migrant being welcomed into the country then forcing the majoring to conform to their needs (can I say whims?) An example is no Christain themed events in schools (including Santa, Jesus and what not) as not to offend a minority. Muslims are asking that their laws be above all that of the country's they have adopted. We barely recognise the original inhabitants' law (this is changing) so why should we entertain anyone elses?? Certain Aust are getting annoyed at being dictated by others on how they can live in their own country.
I have come here and I am learning Islam (not to convert but as it this country's religion) and am speaking sheway sheway arabic. Aussies back home just want the same sort of respect. You move to a country, you acccept the country....all of it.
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What's the problem in that ? It's their Country they have a right to do anything on their land!
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"Saudi in order to have a MAJOR campaign against Saudi & Islam (not that I am a big fan of Saudi), but at the same time, no one dare say a word about this woman who is glorified & entered in Guinese Book because she managed to sleep with 300 men in 24hrs!"
Wait so we are against a women being raped, but we are ok with a women having sex because she wants too, yes I see your point! :S
Nadt, I was not saying it because I believe Muslims schools are training schools for terrorist but because that's what the people in Canberra might think. Please read my posts before you call me a bigot. I'm trying to highlight how ignorance and misinformation effects BOTH societies. Read .saids posts and realize that this effects a lot more Muslims then you think and the opposite effects a lot more Westerners then you think. The fact of the matter is that our societies are controlled by bigots like that, not bigots like me.
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Well i agree Alexa, i went to a mixed school and after mixing with boys i must say i was less curious about them than my friends who went to an all girls school.
The only thing is that in an islamic school you have the opportunity to learn say Arabic and how to read the Quran, which public schools dont provide..That to me would be one incentive..Otherwise its good for kids to mix with difeerent religions, races and gender. Its only when that happens that there would be more tolerance and understanding between our religious and cultural difference.
Alexa. i assume its because of the gender mixing...
We know who controls the media in america & in the whole world, and we know about the ugly propaganda against islam & muslims.
Even here in QL, they can't believe to find a story about a raped woman in Saudi in order to have a MAJOR campaign against Saudi & Islam (not that I am a big fan of Saudi), but at the same time, no one dare say a word about this woman who is glorified & entered in Guinese Book because she managed to sleep with 300 men in 24hrs! Or they would support gays, marriage of gays, having illegal children out of welock...etc. See how ugly & hypocrate these ppl are?
But thank you for having the courage to come to Qatar, deal with the ppl here, check their habits, culture, traditions, attitude & behavior, and to know for yourself that most of the propaganda about Islam is nothing but a mean & dirty campaign.
Believe me that once you go deeper into the lifestyle of the ppl here, understand them & humbley appreciate them, they will adopt you as a friend where you will never have better friends than them
>Gypsy said Hmm, or becoming a training ...
Hmm, or becoming a training ground for more extremism
Gypsy you said you were blaming ignorance on both sides? Why dont you take a closer look on you ignorance with the above comment...
Tucks..Youve got a point there needs to be more education about muslims but it seems not just in Australia, some here need the education.
What i find weird when everyone is scared of muslims because of what they hear or see on TV, granted but any one with "some education or common sense will be able to separate between politics and the Islamic community but they dont?
said..your right Islamic schools dont harm anyone, just like other religious based schools, i dont see what the problem is and neither do Councils in Australia, as there are Islamic schools in Australia, its just when you get close to the country areas, theres a lot of resistance from the community.
As for some of the existing schools i feel for them as they do experience some backlash from(a minority) the community also.
I remember one time my niece who attents an islamic school went on an excursion once and they had eggs thrown at their bus whith chants of go back where you belong...Was very funny actually as all these girls were actually born in Australia..lol...I guess you get all kinds in this world..
just because i am Australian doesn't mean i have to agree with all goings on in Australia.
Bigtoed?
what do you mean by bigtoed comments?
Ths is good stuff.. Most are complaing about Aussies and are coming up with bigoted comments themselves..
first off i would just like to add that there are alot of private islamic schools in australia.
2nd i want to say that i agree with the statement that there is not enough enducation in australia on islam. truth is all we hear about muslims is the bad stuff that they do around the rest of the world, and it has put fear in the hearts of alot of australians. To be honest after 9/11 i used to be one of these people. but i was lucky to be able to have the opportunity to be able to live in qatar. i think in the end it all comes down to education of the people and sadly the australian government and the media is not helping with this at all.
"I wouldn't want a muslim school in my neighbourhood.."
I don't think it harms anyone in the west if there was a muslim school where they teach the normal subjects of the muslim countries, where they don't serve pork in the school's canteen, where females (teachers & students) would have the option to cover their hair if they want to, were Arabic language & religion are 2 extra subjects..etc. Does this endanger your neighbourhood?
Do you think that churches or catholic schools in some Arabic countries (Jordan for example) is a threat to the life of the muslim majority there?
mentalities like yours are behind a lot of hate in this world. A hateful mentality that, unfortunately, should be cured by a double amount of hate.
Muslims who understand their religion should not stand (shamelessly)actionless in front of such hateful mentalities. They should fight such hate in order for others to know that this religion is strong, not weak.
I don't particularly care if they do. And I don't believe I was blaming Islam, I was blaming ignorance on both sides of the fence.
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No i dont support terrorism and violence if you read my post properly but your views are no different too ..said or jesus. They always blame and insult the west and you always blame Islam and manage to always insult muslims..You dont seem to read your posts either, your not a very tolerant or peaceful person,, when you make insultive comments do you think other wont retaliate...
LOL. Yet you're perfectly ok with posts from guys like .said and jesus?
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gypsy the more posts i read of your the more i realise that you are one of those bigots. Your views are very narrow minded and dont have the capacity to see not everything is black and white...
Sigh. THe more posts I read on here the more I realize why Muslims are bigoted against.
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Afaque and the rest...Nothing will stop the bigots from attacking Muslims. You have to understand that Islam or Muslims never brought anything to themselves. Thats a very narrow minded statement which can only be made by someone with little knowledge of history. Otherwise pls explain what Iraq's role was in sept. 11 or anything justifying the daily killing of innocent men, women and children?
Or how about america backing of Mubarak the great dictator but criticizes Mugabe and hangs Saddam.
Or helping Israel build nuclear weapons whilst they are submerging Palestinians in shitty living conditions similar to what the Jews experienced during the holocaust BUT Iran gets sanctioned when it tries to get the same technology.
From an Islamic point of view, the hay-days of Muslims is gone and what we are experiencing is exactly what the prophet saw said, Islam started as a strange thing and it will end up being a strange thing.
Muslims are being collectively judged for actions commited by a few yet the same principle isnt being applied to the Germans (Holocaust), Aussies (aborigins), English (Colonization), U.S.A (blacks/red indians) etc.
Get used to the fact. You know its funny that they say everyone for himself and God for us all yet this statement is one of the cornerstones of being a proper Muslim in that you worship God accordingly and do what's needed of you as a Muslim and the rest will take care of itself.
Let's try and do that.
Hmm, or becoming a training ground for more extremism.
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I wouldn't want a muslim school in my neighbourhood and I know lots of muslims and am not at all ignorant
said..of course what they experience isnt right...and no one should have to go through that...but violence breeds violence and no one is getting anywhere with all this violence...
"Yes the terrorists and some extreme muslims have given Islam a very bad name"
the western/israeli armies bring tragedies & tragedies to the lives of people, supress them, they lose hope, the become full of anger, they need to defend their lands, religion, mothers, families....they are forced to be placed in such a position...they are definitely not terrorists, and a lot of people have respect for them
for almost a year...most of the days and especially on the weekends i could see people driving around in cars and throwing stuff into the mosque and swearing at peple when they came out after prayers
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i never knew what was wrong
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This descision clearly shows that the refusal is based traffic issue and the council has given the school the opportunity to aplly on another site, which shows its more about planning.
However it does reflect some peoples(the protestors) opinions on muslims and sadly these people arent educated enough to differentiate between a muslim school and terrorists organisations, really shows their intelligence, placing two pigs heads on the site is very mature and inteligent...
Also, whilst the previous mufti represented some of the muslims in a negative way, he wasnt supported by the general muslim community and eventually was asked to step down... Furthermore there have been many many protests run by muslim organisations where thousands of muslims have protested against terrorism,Bali bombings 9/11 etc etc...
Who said the muslims have been silent on this issue?? ive personally attended some..Theirs lots of Sheikhs and muslim organisations constantly working alongside the Governments/schools trying to promote peace and understanding and integration within the muslim and non muslim community
Yes the terrorists and some extreme muslims have given Islam a very bad name, but this is a school for heavens sake...Why are their protesters against this, it just shows that how some people are ignorant and not intelligent enough to separate politics.
Granted, Muslims cant always blame people for being Islamophobic when descision go against them(as with the council descision), but with the protests and the "pig heads" you cant deny theres a tinge of Islamaphobia going on in....
I hope you don't tell me that you are american coz your English sounds lousy:
"they might declared a fatwa and banned all those.."
are you a school drop out, man?
there's a lower class people in Camden i hate to say. They're uneducated and mostly rednecks.
They've got a reasonably large muslim community around Syndey anyway, they just choose the wrong place to build.
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No more narrowminded then some of the commenters on this thread.
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This issue just reflect how narrow minded Australian are.
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The words terrorism and extremism are not new, they've been in use for well over 500 years now.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong in what the muslims are doing around the world (that other nations have not done).
The only difference is that the west is inventing new phrases like "terrorism & extremists" to use them against honest people who want to defend their lands, religion, traditions and are not willing to join the "western train/wave"
I can never consider, for example, the people behind the 9/11 attacks as "terrorists". I think that the men behind this have only managed to shift the American war zone, into the American lands, and have the American people taste the same poison that their army is feeding to millions of people in many countries around the world.
I think that the only way to fight "terrorism" is by "counter terrorism", just like the system that fights murder by committing another murder (the state executes the murderer).
If a western soldier joins an army to invade a country and kills some brave patriot citizens who are resisting this invasion, then there is no shame at all (actually it is something to be proud of)if this resistance manages to reach the family of this soldier, in his homeland, and kill them. YOU HAVE TO FIGHT TERRORISM WITH COUNTER-TERRORISM.
If the world does't need trouble, then they should not invade countries (such as Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sumalia, Vietnam...etc)
If the world claims that there is great injustice by some regimes (like Taliban in Afghanistan) then that is still not reason enough to invade a country. These (western) countries should look in their backyards 1st to realize that there are no angels in this world.
But I still agree that you can not force a western system (Australia) to open a muslim school (providing that Catholics & Jewish are also not allowed to open their schools). If muslims need muslim schools, they should leave Australia to a muslim country.
Here in the muslim countries, the westerners are abiding by muslim rules, so it is only fair that muslims do the same in western countries
Tell this to people who have been victims of terrorist attacks, have media that constantly tell them otherwise, and for whom the Muslim community in their country is telling people that women are like pieces of meat (shouldn't be left uncovered) and institute Shariah law. Fact of the matter there are Muslim groups in Australia that aren't behaving themselves and the sad fact of the matter is that the rest of them have to pay the price.
And yes Salax Americans do have to pay the price worldwide for Bush.
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Of course they do! It's a white trash suburb in Australia! My guess is they also need some education regarding the finer points of not leaving rusting cars on their front lawn and proper hygene.
As for Qatar allowing some churches, that's great, Australia has allowed plenty of mosques (by guess is there's proably quite a few in this community) and other Islamic schools. Right now in Australia tensions are tight, because of terrorist acts that killed Australian citizens in Bali and elsewhere, this community doesn't feel comfortable with what they probably think is going to be a terrorist training school in their back yard.
And the events of the world are constantly generalized towards a society, look at Israel and the Jews, or the Crusades and Catholocism, or even the war on Iraq and America.
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There was this muslim guy who used to come to my previous office dressed in the Pathan dress u know the thing all these taliban wear and he his nickname was Al-Qaeda. I thought this was extremly funny coz he was told that office attire was formals and he still prefered to wear what he was wearing with his cap and beard... I was wondering if there was anythin in the Quran about wearing those kinda clothes.
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Lets educated ourselves with more concern about those flying carpets coming in our direction in the future...
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Yes the Catholics protested back in the days when the IRA used to bomb! Many Catholics in my community would actually take in children from both sides to teach them about brotherhood, and the like. The Catholic church condemned every act. Many Christian groups also protest actions by the ETA.
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I actually meant educating both sides. As far as the condemnation is concerned.. You are right to some extent. However, this happens in all areas. Do the Christians protest when ETA blows up something in Spain? Did the Catholics / protestants protest when the IRA / Unionsists carried out terrorist attacks? The answer is NO! because the majority are simple people who deplore these acts and just want to live their lives.
No community has a right to jeopardize the chances of the next generation.
When the shootout happened in TechVargenia university, whole Koreans prayed for the victims when they came to know that shooter was a Korean.
Thats how they won the hearts of Americans and were again accepted as their fellow citizens by Americans.
I feel for those fresh Muslim graduates those are coming with flying coolers from universities. They should not get denied of opportunities for some extremists in their society.
Exactly. The whole world saw the fuss that was made over the Danish cartoons, yet the world trade centers fall, or a bomb goes off in Bali, killing thousands, and the Muslim community remains silent. These terrorists are a greater threat to the future of Islam and a greater mockery of Islam then a couple of cartoons.
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You boss had a point. Where are the Muslim protests against the suicide bombers and terrorists?
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When I was working in UK, we were conducting interviews for some technical posts. My manager eliminated couple of resumes which sounds like Muslim names.. I felt bad for those innocent guys who got punished for some things they have not done. Why should an innocent guy should be punished for some guys who were not happy with the society? I asked the manager. He replied, they didn't condemn when some thing bad happened because of their fellow guys, they just maintained silence. That shows that they are supporting that kind of activities.
I did not continue the conversation further to save my job.
i think The next generation will have less of these conflicts! The world have had enough!
It's not just educating Muslims though, it's educating the Australians or whoever, in tolerance and acceptance. You can't educate one populace and not the other. The more accepting we are of others difference and beliefs the more we will be able to live in peace.
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It all comes back to educating the people. Islam does not condone suicide bombings or taking innocent life. Islam tells people to abide by the laws of the land they live in.. etc etc..
I always say that we should all take a look at the Jews.. They live in the UK.. They have their own orthodox jews with extremist views, have their own schools, worship places, don't really integrate, but yet live their own life without real problems.
Lack of education, paranoid, xenophobia, misinformation. There's a lot of reasons for stuff like this.
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britexpat, I agree with you.
It's lack of education on both sides. Muslim schools should be allowed, however, apart from religious teaching, they should also be taught about living and interacting in non-muslim societies.
Well, my opinion on the matter is ignorance breeds ignorance. You have ignorant muslims blowing things up and declaring jihad who are in turn seen by ignorant westerners who take it out on the school's being built in their neighbourhood. It's a cycle.
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gypsy, hi there, its true..look what all the muslim people are doing around you. what will you expect.
Wow Afaque, that's a very insightful thing for you to say! I was thinking that, but figured I'd get attacked if I voiced it. :)
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well, the muslim image is not as it should be reflected. We all have to fix ourselves first to comment on anyone else. We are portrayed as extremist and terrorist to others. Its definitely all of us that has brought this image upon us.