I have been reading and I'm curious about Islam. I have a question. With Islam when you go to paradise (Heaven) you get 42 virgins. What do the women get?
sage, why dont you look at bahrain where the majority are muslims. but there are also jews as well living there. some of them are even in the council. Do they feel discriminated against? Why havent they tried to create trouble?
When the sense of alienation comes to a community regardless of their religion they resor to all sorts of tactics. now to blame religion for that would be a BIG mistake. Take the case if IRA, LTTE and many other countries have their own problems with the indegenous communities. once the feeling of injustice comes theres its very difficult to remove that feeling.
i will agree with u that there is a militant side to human beings from all walks of life and from all religious affiliations...
I will agree with u that some " MUSLIM FACTIONS" are still stuck in midieval times...
i will agree with u that the scholars of islam have failed ( in recent times) to bring the religion of islam up to date ...
I again reitterate that this has ABSOLUTELLY NOTHING to do with the faith of Islam itself..
It does have to do with Bad educational systems, backward political systems, and a relative lack of freedom of thought( in religion as well as all other aspects of life)...
It doesnt mean Islam is militant or violent by nature...
with all due respect, The fact that Saudi has swords on the flags reflects nothing but the bedouin culture of Saudi arabia , and the fact that as a state, it was formulated by a war ( much like the United states for that matter)...
If u want to be fair using this argumet, u have 2 take a look at the flags of the other 52 Muslim states ( none of which have any refrence to swords or any such thing) which proves that Islam is not the reason they have a sword of their flag...
Having said that ,In the entire history of Saudi arabia ( established in 1934 if i remeber correctlly) THEY HAVE NEVER EVER EVER FOUGHT A WAR WITH ANYONE!!!!
On the other hand, i m pretty sure that American and Bristish troops at one point had swords on their flags as well ( especially at the time of the war of independance in the united states)
Now the United statses and a country like australia are not muslim and are less than 200 years old, and look at how many wars they were involved in and the magnitude of these wars....
On the tolerance issue, i have already told u that i dont believe Mulsims ( now adays) are portraying the true tollerant nature of Islam...
But my friend, again this has nothing 2 do with Islam...
Ask jews ( the single most prosecuted faction of humans in history), when there hay days were, and they will tell u a bunch of dates that all have 1 things in common...THE MUSLIM EMPIRE/STATE...
The example of Jeuraselem when the muslims captured it from the romans, and Andalusia ( modern day spain), in which the muslim empire established one of the most impressive dynasties lasting for 700 years , and muslims christians and jews lived together in perfect harmony....
i dont mean no disrepsect to no body, but its the same spain that saw the inquistion...
My point again is simple...
i will agree with u on so many things about what certain individuals ( who happen 2 be muslims) are doing these days, and that these things are an outrage and in contradiction of the true human spirit and are upholing and redicilous...
What i hope u can see in return is that the Faith of Islam as a religion is not responsible for that...
U know man, let me give u an example u can relate to..
can u say that juadism allowed and encouraged jews to crusify jesus???
Juadism is free from that ...The jews ( who actually did it) are not!!!
in fairness, u can never hold juadism( as a faith) responible ...
See what i mean?
Hussamf, I think you would agree there is a militant side of Islam. We see it everyday. Saudi Arabia even has a sword on their flag! I know you disagree but, beheadings are in some way related to Islam. Some aspects of Islam are very much stuck in medieval times.
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Will men in Paradise have intercourse with al-hoor aliyn?
Question:
I'm wondering will the men from amongst the human race that enters paradise, will they have sexual intercourse with the "HOURIS" women in the paradise .
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah has prepared for His believing slaves in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men, such that even the person who has the least blessings in Paradise will think that he is the most blessed among them. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of people in status in Paradise will be a man whose face Allaah turns away from the Fire towards Paradise, and shows him a tree giving shade. He will say, ‘O Lord, bring me closer to that tree so that I may be in its shade… Then he will enter his house [in Paradise] and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will come in and will say to him, ‘Praise be to Allaah who brought you to life for us and brought us to life for you.’ Then he will say, ‘No one has been given what I have been given.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 275)
Among the blessings that Allaah has prepared for His slaves are al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“So (it will be). And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”
[al-Dhukhaan 44:54]
“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes
[al-Toor 52:20]
Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says, describing them (interpretation of the meaning):
“Therein (Gardens) will be Khayraatun‑Hisaan [fair (wives) good and beautiful];
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
With whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [opening their hymens with sexual intercourse] before them.
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses.”
[al-Rahmaan 55:70-76]
“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).
Like unto preserved pearls”
[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22-23]
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The first group will enter Paradise looking like the moon on the night when it is full, and those who follow them will be like the brightest shining star in the sky. Their hearts will be as one, and there will be no hatred or jealousy among them. Each man will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn, the marrow of whose calves can be seen from beneath the bone and flesh.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3014)
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Going out and coming back for the sake of Allaah is better than this world and all that is in it. And a spot the size of the bow of one of you in Paradise – or a spot the size of his whip – is better than this world and all that is in it. If a woman from among the people of Paradise were to look at the people of this earth, she would light up all that is in between them and fill it with fragrance. The veil on her head is better than this world and all that is in it.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2587)
A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse. It was narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of one hundred (men).” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2459. He said, (it is) saheeh ghareeb).
It was narrated from Zayd ibn Arqam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A man among the people of Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men for eating, drinking, desire and sexual intercourse. A man among the Jews said, ‘The one who eats or drinks needs to excrete!’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: ‘The excretion of any one of them will be in the form of sweat which comes out through his skin, then his stomach will reduce in size again.’” (Narrated by Ahmad, no. 18509; al-Daarimi, no. 2704)
The mufassireen said concerning the phrase “busy in joyful things” (Yaa-Seen 36:55 – interpretation of the meaning):
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood and Ibn ‘Abbaas (mayAllaah be pleased with them both), and Sa’eed ibn al-Musayyib, ‘Ikrimah, al-Hasan, Qutaadah, al-A’mash, Sulaymaan al-Taymi and al-Oozaa’i said concerning the aayaah (interpretation of the meaning),
“Verily, the dwellers of Paradise, that Day, will be busy in joyful things” [Yaa-Seen 36:55]
they said, (it means) they will be busy deflowering virgins. Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, according to a report narrated from him, that “busy in joyful things” means listening to stringed instruments. Abu Haatim said: he misheard the phrase iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins) and thought it was samaa’ al-awtaar (listening to stringed instruments). In fact the correct phrase is iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins). (Ibn Katheer, 3/564)
With regard to children, the scholars differed as to whether children would be born as a result of this intercourse or not. Some said that there would be children if the man wants them, but the pregnancy and birth would take just one hour. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the believer wants a child in Paradise, the pregnancy and delivery will take only an hour, then the child will be the age that the man wants.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2487; al-Daarimi, no. 2712; Ahmad, no. 11339; Ibn Maajah, no. 4329). And Allaah knows best.
We ask Allaah to admit us to Paradise and to keep us far away from the Fire. May He bless us with the highest Firdaws, for He is the One Who is Able to do that. Praise be to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds.
This kind of thinking (SEE BELOW) is nonsense. I think you just made a sorry excuse for horrific, barbaric, shameful killing of TOTALLY INNOCENT peace loving people who are just as poor and live in the same conditions are the killers.
Thailand is a poor country. The North East part of Thailand called Isaan is as poor or poorer than the predominantly Muslim South. The Isaan area is 100% Bhuddist and I can assure you there is no religious violence there.
Don't make excuses for the killing of innocent families, monks, police, and even school teachers like these two victims:
^ these pictures are not for the faint of heart
Thailand has never seen anything like this!
And you say...maybe they want to practice their own laws in Thailand? Well, I think you're right. I think Muslims have a hard time being a minority in lots of countries. Some aren't happy until Islam is the law of the land.
This is scary. You said it! You just justified terrible kiling of innocents because they want an Islamic State. I have so much to say about that... I'll just let everyone imagine how I would respond to that :)
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"Maybe the conditions of Muslims in Thailand are bad. Maybe they are poor, a minority group? want to practice their own laws in Thailand"
I like your views. I think you speak for Islam better than anyone. You are the first Muslim that I know of...to actually say something like this:
"And it is very understandable for me that people with a new found awareness about islam and Muslims find these things very disturbing..and honestlly WHO WOULDNT...." (refering to another beheading)
Western people really appreciate such a candid comment.
You are a very fair-minded person and I respect you for it. I just want to clarify that I'm not of the opinion that all or even most Muslims are bad people or capable of such violence.
However, I think there is a sizable minority that doesn't condemn religious violence committed around the world. I have a good understanding about why Muslims are silent but I won't delve into that right now.
Hussamf, I think you would agree there is a militant side of Islam. We see it everyday. Saudi Arabia even has a sword on their flag! I know you disagree but, beheadings are in some way related to Islam. Some aspects of Islam are very much stuck in medieval times.
Think about this...
If you reverse the situation in Thailand...say there is a Bhuddist population (5%) in Saudi Arabia living in the far North or South of the country. Everyday these Bhuddists are running around killing teachers, police, burning down schools, beheading Imams, etc. Do you think for a second that Saudi Arabia would tolerate this? Everyone knows there wouldn't be anymore Bhuddists living there within weeks. Bye bye Bhuddists.
But the Thais put up with this.
Hey I'm venting now. I'm just presenting ideas and alternative views, that's all.
Hussamf if I still lived in Qatar I would take you up on the offer.
i totally agree with u that behading a guy ( for any reason) is outrageous...
Especially when that man is an ice cream vendor...
I assure u that upon reading that , i was upholed and disgusted...
And it is very understandable for me that people with a new found awareness about islam and Muslims find these things very disturbing..and honestlly WHO WOULDNT....
While in no way i try 2 look for excuses for such a ridicilous act, i would simply like 2 draw ur attention to the following
Islam doesnt tell people 2 behead people....
in the same way one can argue that Guns dont kill people, People kill people....
i can use the same line of argument in saying that Islam doesnt encourage people to behead people...Its the resident evil and repression inside them that does that...
I dont know if u r american or not, but if u are, How would u like me 2 judge the almost 300 million americans to be murderous rapists based on the news i hear about the increadible amount of rape crimes and unjustified killings the US troops are charged with in Iraq everyday for example...
If u accept that ( which i m sure u dont), then i would accept u judging Muslims based on an incident like the one u dicribed...
Having said that, i still didnt even touch on the Issue of ISLAM ITSELF....
Even if u feel u can and should pass a judgment on some MUSLIMS who do outrageous things, i assure u friend that this has no bearing on the FAITH OF ISLAM...
ISLAM IS BUEATIFULL...IT IS PURE, IT IS LOVING, IT IS TOLERANT, ITS IS SERENE, IT IS BLISSFULL ....
I understand that the actions of muslims ( that u hear about in the news anyways)are all u have to go by when try to pass a judgment on the Faith of Islam...
However i do EMPLORE YOU and all those reading not to make that mistake,,
Islam is NOT DEFINED by the actions of Muslim extremists...In the same way Christianity is not defined by extrere christians and Juadism is not defined by extreme jews...
I will again agree with u that watching the news makes it feel like there is no such thing as non extere muslims...
But here i m man...and here are all the arab muslims on this site...
and u live in doha dont u...Has there been an attempt on ur life bec u r christian or western???
do u feel unsafe walking amidst muslims??
are we really what the media makes us to be...
even better, Are most of us what the media makes us ALL to be??
Look, i would be glad to PERSOANLLY meet with any of u and discuss in person with u whatever u might want 2 discuss about islam and arabs,,
if u even like, i can try to make some sort of a lecture to intorduce u to islam and the life of mohammad if u would like...
if that is something u would like 2 hear about, i m more than happy to extend my time and services to the end of u gaining a little bit of information about this great faith and the man who shouldered the burdon of bringing it to us....
God bless u all..
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Some comments in this forum are really getting disgusting. Don't discuss these things here, do u think a religious scholar will be chating on this forum?
Anybody has any questions about islam just search the database at the following website.
i would like 2 draw the attention of both of u along with everyone else to the fact that u r grocely misinformed ..which is OK, i guess this is why this exchange of info is so important, so that those of us who dont know become enlighetned....
Mr, rope, let me adress ur points 1 by 1
1) Mohammad didnt ( and never wanted) 2 commit sucide upon recieving the 1st revelation.
His response ( that of uncertainity and fear) is nothing short of normal, and is the same feeling described by Moses and all those who came in direct conatct with the majesty of God...
2) No self respecting scholar of christianity has ever dared to verify that jesus EVER refered to himself as god...
as a matter of fact, self respecting christian scholars are very sure that he never did....and that the idea of the divinity of jesus came later on after he had died...
for refrence please read Keren Aremstrong's " History of God"
Just for the record, Miss Aremtrong is an EX nun....
Also let me point ur attention that NONE OF THOSE WHO BROUGH THE WORD OF GOD TO MAN KIND EVER ALLEDGED THEY WERE DEVINE...THEY ALL CONFESSED TO BEING MEN...
There is NO SENSE is sending a lion 2 preach to dogs...
in the same way, there is no sense in sendig Gods to preach to men...
Mohammad indeed confessed to being man, in the same way all other prophets did ( abraham, moses, isiah, jacob,) ALL OF THEM ( including christ in the muslim vesrion of the story at least)
3)Mohhamd's instructions came DIRECTLY from God VIA the angel Gabriel...
its absoultely redicilous to even bring that up...
if u have a problem with the messnegrs God chooses to send his words to his prophets;, take it up with him ( God ) directlly, and save us the sophists attitude, we can argue about semnatics and means of delivery from here till doom;s day to no avail...
4)Mohammad 's miracles were many...The fact that u ignorant to em doesnt mean they didnt exist...
The moon split when he pointed at it.
He fed an entire army from a little bit of milk he had with him...
He healed the sick with the touch of his hand....
and many other things
all that put aside, there is a wisdom in not having Mohammad perform many impressive miracles as jesus did...
the idea is to make mankind understand that ANYONE ( for mohammad was just a man) who is well connected to God can live a happy prosporous life and do great things in life without having to resort to miracles.
and the idea also was to test the faith of the believers...
its very easy to believe a man who can revive the dead or split the sea into to halves when he says he has a message from god.
But when u r convinced without seeing those super duper things, and are convinced solely by merit of argument and belief and faith, then u have reached a non surpassed level of faith never before whitnesses in human history...
5)There is no way in the world you ( or anyone else) can prove that jesus didnt marry...
and even if he didnt, i think it can be attributed to the fact that he was " taken" from earth before he reached 35 years of age...
a man like him busy with preaching since he was an infant ( for the quran tells us he spoke in his cradle), might not have had the time to do so...That in no way means he never intended to..
On the other hand, Mohammad's experience is again more human ( and hence could be duplicated by u and me)
i really doubt ( and i m sure u d agree with me), that none of us would ever be able 2 sacrifice ourselves on a cross for the slavation and redemption of the Human race ...
On the other hand, we can all be like Mohammad in his manners and kindness, and we can all learn from him as a single man, a husband, and a father .....( or at least strive 2 be)...
6) i m not quite sure what difference does it make when jesus and mohammad recieved the comission and the calling!!!!Day light, Darkness of the night!!!What is ur point ???r u like a morning kinda guy or something?!
7)Mohammad did fullfill many biblical prophecies...
for ur refrence as a scholar of christianity i refer u to the following webpage, i hope u find it usefull
( http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3-more.htm)
8)The quran never stipulated the Mohammad was a sinner...if u r going to refer to versus from the quran for citation, u can at least do so after having read the meaning of the verse u r quoting instead of making urself judge and jury on an issue u r so far from capable of being objective about....
9) indeed mohammad was not virgin born...Only 1 man in history was virgin born..and that man is Christ...
The reason for that is to complete the circle of creation of the all mighty..its a testimony in the greatness of God...
He created Adam from no man and no woman
Created eve from a man and no woman
and therefore it was only natural that he creates jesus
Jesus was created with a woman and no man..
And that is how God shows us his power
10)Jesus did recieve the voice of God directly while MOhammad recieved revalations from Gabriel...
However MOhammad assended to the 7th heaven and was IN THE ACTUAL PHISICAL PRESENCE OF THE ALLMIGHTY....
11) Mohammad said about women ( No one but a vicious person would harm a woman, and no one but a gentle man would honor her)
Mohammad said ( Heaven is at the feat of Mothers)
When asked who to pay tribute to while alive Mohammad replied
Ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said: ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said " ur mom"
he was asked " then who"
he replied " ur dad"
MOhammad never said women were 1/2 as smart as men, and what u r refering 2 IS NOT HADITH, its a quranic verse...
And the verse talks not of intteligence in any ways...
it merely stipulates that in situations were testimony is needed, u can use 2 male whitnessess OR 1 male whitness and 2 female whitnesses...
the wisdom of that i cant really answer conclusivelly on...
My best explanation ( and i could be totally wrong) , is that sometimes when women are hermonal like at times of PMS and their period , they are so very emotional that it sometimes affects how they judge things...
that is not to say they CAN NOT JUDGE, ..rather i mean that they tend to wieght things with a more emotional balance than a rational one...
and may be thats why 2 women are needed so that if one of them is in that state the other would remind her....
and again i reittertae thats my own attempt at explaining this, i could be totally wrong...
In conclusion, thank u for ur polite words about the prophet of islam...
As for jesus and Mary, as a muslim i have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for both of them as an integral part of my faith in God the allmighty....
If u beleieve that mohammad falls short when compared to jesus, the only thing i could reply by saying is that God doesnt want us to compare between his messengers, but to listen to the message that they all came with to us...
and that message ( and jesus would agree with me on that) is of love, ...Not of blind hate as poisonous redicule that serves no purpose but to illustrate to all of those who are truley believers in their heart that u r NO WHERE CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, MOSES, OR Mohammad...
My God bring peace to ur soul...
As for Sage778
Sir....
As u might have noticed, i found the little comaprisson Mr. Pope did nothing short of distastfull and full of fallacies...
I hope u r even more enlightened now about the life of mohammad....
The bible in our faith is an integral part of our faith as muslims and so is the torah...
the teachings of the torah , the bible, and the quran are one and the same,,and naturally so for they all come from the same diety, the God of us all, the one and only, the allmighty....
It follows logically that any muslim would certainly like the bible and the torah when we read them, for they are very similar to our book...
the only parts the Muslims find contraversial ( and Jews as well) in the bible are those that refer to Christ as a divinity..
as i was explaining 2 mr pope, no self respecting scholar of christianity has ever been able to alledge with a clear consiounce that jesus DID INDEED CLAIM TO BE DEVINE WHILE ALIVE...
please refer to Keren armestrongs; bueatifull masterpiece, A history of God....( Keren is an ex nun btw)
A final word on this whole thing is
Muslims respect all prophets of God, and Christ has an increadible status in our religion as the FINAL SAVIOUR...The man who will lead the last fight between Good and evil , and kill the anti christ and be the last leader of the nation of believers on earth before aramageddon...
that is how much respect and staus jesus has in my faith...
if u r speaking about tolerance, please show me what respect u have extended to Mohammad, the messeneger of God who changed the face of the earth and started an empire of God fearing worshipping people out of pagant stone worhiping tribes...
show me how tolerant u r and how abiding are u to the teachings of Christ of love and acceptance....
I will agree with u that the face of islam today is not tolerant...
Trust me my friend, that has nothing 2 do with the FAITH of Islam...
it has to do with the quality of muslims these days...
Mohammad, the man u so igorantlly redicule, ( May God forgive u for that)was the 1st man in recorded history to make a modern day constitution giving Jews the right of citizinship in his city ( Madina) and Muslims and jews coexisted in Madina untill the jews ( while mohammad and the entire army was at the outskirts of the city defending an invasion) turned against him and started killing the muslim women and children left behind....
Mohammad, My dear friend, was the 1st man in history to sign a non agression treaty between religions when he recieved a christian delagation for a trible called "Bani Nagran" in which he wrote that there will be no coersion of them 2 convert, and that they can practice their religion in their churches without ever fearing a muslim attack or agression...
That is the kind of tolerance Mohammad lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance jesus lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance any true believer should strive to live by....
But leave it to some ridicelous Muslims who go around bombing people in the name of God, and some equally ridicelous people who try to Put the prophets and messengers of God in a comparisson to see who is better ( as if its a football game) to spoil that spirit of tolerance and acceptance....
May god bless us all....
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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat
Islamically speaking, please try looking at the sky at the last third of night, probably before 5 am winter time. Look at the stars, & think about the creation. God is great, no body saw him, he is not a human being, he is not Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) nor the angel Gabriel(sorry for Christians members).
Suppose that your parents abandoned you in the desert. You grew up without interaction with humans. As I know, you will be a believer of God without the need of being with other humans.
As I know, the God in Islam is the same one that you think about when you are abandoned since the birth.
All those silly rules that you follow. All that time and effort wasted praising. All those people killed in the name of a fictional character. It is no different for me to hear that someone killed someone else because they didn't believe in the tooth fairy
As I know Muslims beleive that Jesus peace be upon him loves true Muslims more than the people who think that he is the God.
True Muslims are closer to Moses than others, true Muslims are closer to Jesus than others.
The first wife of prophet Muhammad was 15 years older than him as I know. As I know, God asked prophet Muhammad to marry women. He did not choose to marry his wives.
The muslims has no hesitation about accepting the most wondrous of Jesus(pbuh) miracles(even that of reviving the dead). BUT that does not make Jesus a "God" or the begotten "Son of God" as understood by our christians brothers like you.
Miracles do not prove even prophethood, or wheteher a man is true or false. Jesus himself said:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Mathew 24:4)
If false prophets and false christs can perform miraculous feats, then these wonders or miracles do not even prove the genuineness or otherwise of a prophet.
John the baptist, according to Jesus, was the greatest of the Israelite prophets. Greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and all not excluding himself: in his own words:
"verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist..." (Mathew11:11)
Not excluding Jesus(pbuh)? was he not born of a woman-Mary?
The Baptist greater than all? yet he did not performed a single miracle? It means miracles are no standards of judging truth and falsehood!
But our Christian brothers insists that Jesus is God, because he gave life back to the dead. Will reviving the dead make others God too? If these are the standards then:
1. Moses is greater than Jesus because he put life back into a dead stick and transmuted it from the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom by making it into a serpent (Exodus 7:10)
2. Elisha is greater than Jesus because the rotten bones of Elisha brought a man back to life merely by coming into contact w/ the corpse (2 Kings 13:21)
Need we illustrate here a catalogue of miracles? But the sickness persist- "it was God working miracles through His prophets, but Jesus performed them of his own power" where did Jesus(pbuh) get all his power from? Let's ask Jesus, and he will tell us:
""...All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth"
(Mathew 28:18)
"...I cast out devils BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. then the kingdom of God is come unto you" (Mathew 12:28)
"I can of mine OWN SELF do nothing" (John 5:30)
"...I with the FINGER OF GOD cast out devils..." (Luke 11:20)
So, the "POWER" as he says is not his. "it is given unto me". Given by whom? By God, of course! Every action and every word he attributes to God.
In heaven people's bodily conditions get changed. They do not need to go to bathrooms, they do not feel tired, One day in hereafter is like 1000 years on Earth.
Be aware that Women's population is bigger than men's population.
Following is a chart to that shows some of the strong differences between Jesus and Mohammed. The Muslims revere Mohammed as the greatest of prophets yet, Jesus clearly demonstrated greater authority, teaching, and miracles and Mohammed ever did. Why would anyone want to follow Mohammed over Jesus when Jesus claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, said he alone was the truth, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead himself and Mohammed did none of these things. However, Mohammed did have people killed, spread his religion through war, married a very young girl and had relations with her at nine, and taught hatred of Jews and Christians.
Death: Jesus died and rose from the dead Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Fighting Jesus never fought Muhammad fought many many times
Hearing from God When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Identity Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received Jesus: From God the Father (John 5:19) Muhammad From an angel
Killing Jesus never killed anyone Muhammad killed many
Life Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it. Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.
No one ever died in Jesus' presence Many people died in Muhammad's presence -- he killed them.
Marriage Jesus never married Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Ministry Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight
Muhammad received it from an angel (Gabriel)
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.
Ministry Length Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years Muhammad taught for more than 20 years
Miracles Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.
Prophecy Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Sacrifice Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Sin Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Slaves Jesus owned no slaves Muhammad owned slaves.
Virgin Birth Jesus was virgin born Muhammad was not virgin born.
Voice of God Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11)
Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.
Women Jesus spoke well of women Muhammad said women were were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.
There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short, that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.
It's great that everyone is discussing and learning here but please respect other people's cultures and religions. There is no need to be rude, insulting, etc.
Hi amrola, pls. allow me to support ur comments that night is called in arabic as ISSRA WA MEARAJ.
I heard this hadith 18 yrs ago from our Islamic theology teacher during my 2nd yr in secondary school. subhanallah, our teacher told us same story like amrola and i do believe its true coz prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is Al-amin (The trustworthy), the spirit of truth and he never lies.
[4][140] "Already has He sent you word in the Book, that when ye hear the Signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and those who defy Faith, all in Hell."
Please, if you find what you have been ordered, either change the subject or leave the topic...
In the west, we have for the last hundred years or so considered the stories of the Bible to be at best a metaphor for the spiritual experience.
Heaven is also described there in terms of 'rivers of wine' and sexual delight ; see the Songs of Solomon for a start. If we talk about the ineffable experience of the transcendent then we have to use metaphor; the imagined condition of sexual bliss is a picture that people can relate to.
Literalists of the text are still stuck on the metaphor, and can't see beyond to what it is picturing.
"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."
lol @ red rope... well , i dont know about the availabilty of viagra ,and i am not sure about the daily 42 shots that it is a must .. but sure it is avialable whenever you want .. just get ready and i assure that you can do it, its heaven man !! lol
Han19... well the 7th sky trip .. is a trip had been made by the Prophet Mohamed accompanied with an angel (who was the link between prophet and God)this trip has an arabic name which i do not know its english translation.. but since it had been tailed by Muhamed then it is true (as he never lies). in breif .. the prophet was in a very disperate case due to many reasons (no need to detail it now) and it happened that the (link angel)came to him one night and took him in a trip over something like flying carpet that flew from Suadi arabia(to ease the geography defination)to jurislem city (the city of which Palastinian and Israel negotiating and fighting to be a part of thier country - so far it is within israel border- hope you know it by now).. in Jurislem there is a holly mosque called al aqsa mosque.. where phropet Mohamed prayed as a prayer leader to all prophets and messenger who had been sent from god to humans all around the ages and centuries.. that included Jeses (messenger of christianity) , Abraham (the massenger who built the Kaaba) , Muases (messenger of juwesh) and a lot who we know and who we dont .. he had been offered a glass of milk of which he drink a lot of it but not all of it . and after that he had been told by the link angel(jebreel)if you had drink all the glass all your followers will enter the heaven with no question about thier attitude in earth, when Mohamed requested to bring the glass again to drink it all , the link angel (jebreel) replied .. no . its too late now ( thats why some muslims will pass through hell before going to heaven as a kind of punishment of wht they were doing in earth).. after that.. prophet flew to the sky (ridding the flying carpet or the similer thing) and went up and up to the sky , where he saw a lot of things like ppl who were eating fire rocks and routen meat and when he asked jebreel (the link angel) wht is that and why they are doing so , jebreel replied those are the ppl who used to steel the money of oprhan kids (like legal gardians who were responsible to run the business and the wealth of orphan kids) then he saw women who were hanged from thier breast, and when he asked about them .. jebreel replied those are the women who were not respecting the privacy of thier bodies and encouraged the nudesim.. and again he saw a wonderfull place with known but unusual fruits in shape and colors and luxury place where its ground are in pereal and precious stones .. and that was the heaven ( sorry i dont recall exactly all wht he saw in heaven and hell) but it was something unbeliveable .. after that he kept going up and up till Jebreel said , I cant go further up with you , other wise i will be burned from the light of god but you ( muhamed ) are protected so you can keep on so you can see the god .. ( Muhamed was asked by his friends how the god look like .. he replied I couldnt see it clearly , but the light was very strong and it was amazing thing and marvelus).. there he talked to god and got the orders of muslims prayers method .. and ordered that muslims must pray 50 times a day .. when he got the order and went down , he met with Mouses ( jwesh prophet ) he ( Mosues) asked Mouhamed about how many prayers god orderd him .. Muhamed replied 50 times a day .. Mouses replied .. no way i know those ppl more than you ,, they will not obay you , go up and ask god to ease that and reduce the number .. so Muhamed went up and requested the same .. and it was reduced to 45 .. and the same happend with Mouses .. then he went up again requesting the same .. and it was reduced to 40, 35,30 and so on and so on till it reach to 5 prayers a day .. and when Mouses requested mohamed to go up and reduce it again , Muhamed replied I am shy to ask more reduction .. and he went dwn to earth in jurislem and then flew to his home... Yes this story when Muhamed tailed it , it was very strange to ppl."even within muslim comunity" (the idea of flying and going up to god and wht he see .. etc .. etc.) but the proof that it was true , that it was well known that Muhamed never visited al Aqsa Mousque in jurislem.. and when they asked him to discribe (those who visited and know it by hard) the prophet discribed it in a full details that surprised them . and those who were histated about the story belived him after his dicreption of the place.
amazing huh .. I an all muslim knows that a lot of non muslim ppl till now says that this is imposible.. but why it is possible that Mouses talked to god (in juwesh)and Jeses had powers that never given to any human (recover ppl from deadly deseses .. gives life to died ppl..etc).. when we talk about god power .. we cant think with our normal earth mind ..
Dammed, that is what I called being sore for days, weak and tired everyday. That is a lot of calorie burning. I hope in that kind of heaven, they sell Viagra and lots of Ginseng to maintain that energy and drive going on.
Could you imagine making love to 42 virgins? One everyday day?
my info. is sourced from the guest of that TV program i spoke about ( he is trusted guy by the way and moderate muslim)
in addition there is a lot of description of heaven and hell in the Quran (islam holly book).. my self i like the heaven discreption more .. as the hell part is realy more than horrible .. but is true and you have to wish the heaven and escape from hell.
although im moderate muslim .. but have a lot of sins too as a human .. but still hope the heaven with god mercy .. and the daily trial to avoide mistakes and sins .. some times i can and some times i just slip in it .. i m human we all do things wrong..
as a reply to some earlier comments
just wanna say .. that .. yes there is riveres of wine and women can be the men bounes etc .. but hey .. why is that ? simply because in islam both wine & having sex with no marriage is a sin ( ofcourse not the only sin there are others ) and humans are known with thier weakness against thier desires (wheather a sin or not).. and in heaven all wht humans had prevented for themselves to follow god rules in earth .. they will get all wht they want in heaven as bonus in thousands doubles and may be millions...
i m not sure about that spritual things .. simply beacuse if we as humans will not be in the same nature with (additional senses and instict-cant get the right spelling-)we will not enjoy wht we prohibited our self from to oby god rules.. and in the same time if a human go to hell .. he/she should feel and know that nothing in earth compared to this pain so to add a sicological effect on how a big mistake not to prevent his/herselves from forbidden joy..
I know a story told by prohpet Muhamed during his 7th sky trip (yes we belive in it and not subject to discussion in here now .. but i can in a later discussion)
that there is a man who went to hell and he kept beging god to get him out and not to get him in heaven just to escape from hell pain and he will never ask 4 anything after that.. and when god approve his request . and get him out .. he see a tree close to heaven gate .. and he start beging god to puts him close to this tree and promised not to ask more .. and god approves his begging.. then he listen to the sounds of ppl in heaven dancing and singing .. so he again and again ask god and beg him to get closer to heaven .. and he will not as 4 anything again .. so god replies him .. ok u will get in the heaven .. but u will be the most poor human there.. and when the man asked how poor god ? the god replies .. as the most reach human in earth and 1000 or 100 (i m not sure) double... ( bill gates will never reach this stage.. lol)
you wanna know more about heaven ask me .. i will get u answers from Quran and aht religious men say about it .. or go to (www.amrola.com - joking..lol)
I was not talking about that part of it... no limitation for bodies means..was just thinking of changing my shape and size everyday and do whatever I wish which I cannot do in this world.
hi gypsy! you are taking it high serious. Its a game of life. Some get virgin before they settle their life or some after they get marry. So b4 or later, they have to be. But we should take it as caring for the gals other than thinking about sex.
The reason behind the constant virgin is a male dominated society dream.
How else could a man feel more powerful than constantly taking something from a woman such as her virginity??
And yep, I agree, that sounds boring as hell to me, kind of prefer Liana's version but with sexes reversed, women feeding me grapes etc.
You're born, you take s**t. You get out in the world, you take more s**t. You climb a little higher, you take less s**t. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what s**t even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.
The perfect woman and the perfect man, a constant virgin, quite possibly 72 of them...I'm sorry but this sounds more like Hell to me than Paradise. I mean who wants to be with a constant virgin? Bad sex for eternity. No thank you.
hey man , u are giving a good question which i got its answer in a TV program 2 yrs back , and let me share you the answer stated by guest of this TV program.
1st. yes it is true that the man will get married to a very beautifull vergin women in heaven , who enjoy a beauty that never been seen and the amazing thing , that whenever you make love to them they appear as if they are still vergin and its thier 1st time (i do not how - but thats a god power) any way .. in spite that those ladies enjoy a beauty that is unbelivable , but they are non comparable to the beauty of the earth women who wil go to heaven .. as if you are comparing star beauty with moon beauty.. ( earth women are the moon and others are the stars)
ppl in heaven will not look like what they look in earth .. men and women will be aged 33yrs and they will be shaped very sexy and attactive to each others .. if there is a woman who is married to a man who she dont like , she will be compansated with another man who will be the man of her dream ( he might be the same man she was married in earth - but in a differnt shape and attitude - dont ask me how "at the moment" beacuse this is another story) and the guest added that men will be sticked to thier lovely wives because wives will look much much more pretty than heaven vergin girls..
it is said that man/woman in heaven will accompany the woman/man they love .. this include mums - dads - family .. and your x gf that you still dreaming of and u do not dare to tell ur wife abt this. saying to ur wife in the next morning ohh darling i had a sweet dream of u last night .. lol.
women will be asked in heaven wheather they they want thier hubbies in thier new shape ( new look .. lol) or they want another man of thier choice .. and they will wnjoy something very unique which is not 100% common in earth .. which is that they will not like any man but thier male heaven mate or husband.
another things they will enjoy in heaven totaly free .. which is shopping (omg God knows wht they like) .. there is a lot to say about heaven in Quran (islam holy book).. which i can tell you some and others you can find it out in websites ..
in berif women will be much pretty in heaven than heaven virgin girls .. and they will be more desirable by thier men .. and they have the option to choose too ( thier men or another).. in addition that she will be committed to only one man ( by her choice)
God mentioned a lot about heaven's joy that is not immaginable by humans (like what ? - i do not know lol) i am human..
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sage, why dont you look at bahrain where the majority are muslims. but there are also jews as well living there. some of them are even in the council. Do they feel discriminated against? Why havent they tried to create trouble?
When the sense of alienation comes to a community regardless of their religion they resor to all sorts of tactics. now to blame religion for that would be a BIG mistake. Take the case if IRA, LTTE and many other countries have their own problems with the indegenous communities. once the feeling of injustice comes theres its very difficult to remove that feeling.
Sage..
i will agree with u that there is a militant side to human beings from all walks of life and from all religious affiliations...
I will agree with u that some " MUSLIM FACTIONS" are still stuck in midieval times...
i will agree with u that the scholars of islam have failed ( in recent times) to bring the religion of islam up to date ...
I again reitterate that this has ABSOLUTELLY NOTHING to do with the faith of Islam itself..
It does have to do with Bad educational systems, backward political systems, and a relative lack of freedom of thought( in religion as well as all other aspects of life)...
It doesnt mean Islam is militant or violent by nature...
with all due respect, The fact that Saudi has swords on the flags reflects nothing but the bedouin culture of Saudi arabia , and the fact that as a state, it was formulated by a war ( much like the United states for that matter)...
If u want to be fair using this argumet, u have 2 take a look at the flags of the other 52 Muslim states ( none of which have any refrence to swords or any such thing) which proves that Islam is not the reason they have a sword of their flag...
Having said that ,In the entire history of Saudi arabia ( established in 1934 if i remeber correctlly) THEY HAVE NEVER EVER EVER FOUGHT A WAR WITH ANYONE!!!!
On the other hand, i m pretty sure that American and Bristish troops at one point had swords on their flags as well ( especially at the time of the war of independance in the united states)
Now the United statses and a country like australia are not muslim and are less than 200 years old, and look at how many wars they were involved in and the magnitude of these wars....
On the tolerance issue, i have already told u that i dont believe Mulsims ( now adays) are portraying the true tollerant nature of Islam...
But my friend, again this has nothing 2 do with Islam...
Ask jews ( the single most prosecuted faction of humans in history), when there hay days were, and they will tell u a bunch of dates that all have 1 things in common...THE MUSLIM EMPIRE/STATE...
The example of Jeuraselem when the muslims captured it from the romans, and Andalusia ( modern day spain), in which the muslim empire established one of the most impressive dynasties lasting for 700 years , and muslims christians and jews lived together in perfect harmony....
i dont mean no disrepsect to no body, but its the same spain that saw the inquistion...
My point again is simple...
i will agree with u on so many things about what certain individuals ( who happen 2 be muslims) are doing these days, and that these things are an outrage and in contradiction of the true human spirit and are upholing and redicilous...
What i hope u can see in return is that the Faith of Islam as a religion is not responsible for that...
U know man, let me give u an example u can relate to..
can u say that juadism allowed and encouraged jews to crusify jesus???
Juadism is free from that ...The jews ( who actually did it) are not!!!
in fairness, u can never hold juadism( as a faith) responible ...
See what i mean?
Hussamf, I think you would agree there is a militant side of Islam. We see it everyday. Saudi Arabia even has a sword on their flag! I know you disagree but, beheadings are in some way related to Islam. Some aspects of Islam are very much stuck in medieval times.
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Will men in Paradise have intercourse with al-hoor aliyn?
Question:
I'm wondering will the men from amongst the human race that enters paradise, will they have sexual intercourse with the "HOURIS" women in the paradise .
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah has prepared for His believing slaves in Paradise that which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and has never even crossed the minds of men, such that even the person who has the least blessings in Paradise will think that he is the most blessed among them. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The lowest of people in status in Paradise will be a man whose face Allaah turns away from the Fire towards Paradise, and shows him a tree giving shade. He will say, ‘O Lord, bring me closer to that tree so that I may be in its shade… Then he will enter his house [in Paradise] and his two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn will come in and will say to him, ‘Praise be to Allaah who brought you to life for us and brought us to life for you.’ Then he will say, ‘No one has been given what I have been given.’” (Narrated by Muslim, no. 275)
Among the blessings that Allaah has prepared for His slaves are al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“So (it will be). And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes”
[al-Dhukhaan 44:54]
“They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes
[al-Toor 52:20]
Al-hoor al-‘iyn are extremely beautiful, such that the marrow of their shins will be visible from beneath their garments. Every man who enters Paradise will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn. Allaah says, describing them (interpretation of the meaning):
“Therein (Gardens) will be Khayraatun‑Hisaan [fair (wives) good and beautiful];
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
Hoor (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
With whom no man or jinni has had Tamth [opening their hymens with sexual intercourse] before them.
Then which of the Blessings of your Lord will you both (jinn and men) deny?
Reclining on green cushions and rich beautiful mattresses.”
[al-Rahmaan 55:70-76]
“And (there will be) Hoor (fair females) with wide lovely eyes (as wives for Al-Muttaqoon – the pious).
Like unto preserved pearls”
[al-Waaqi’ah 56:22-23]
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The first group will enter Paradise looking like the moon on the night when it is full, and those who follow them will be like the brightest shining star in the sky. Their hearts will be as one, and there will be no hatred or jealousy among them. Each man will have two wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn, the marrow of whose calves can be seen from beneath the bone and flesh.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3014)
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: ‘Going out and coming back for the sake of Allaah is better than this world and all that is in it. And a spot the size of the bow of one of you in Paradise – or a spot the size of his whip – is better than this world and all that is in it. If a woman from among the people of Paradise were to look at the people of this earth, she would light up all that is in between them and fill it with fragrance. The veil on her head is better than this world and all that is in it.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2587)
A man will have intercourse in Paradise with his wives from among al-hoor al-‘iyn and his wives from among the people of this world, if they enter Paradise with him. A man will be given the strength of a hundred men to eat, drink, feel desire and have sexual intercourse. It was narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allaah, will he really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of one hundred (men).” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2459. He said, (it is) saheeh ghareeb).
It was narrated from Zayd ibn Arqam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A man among the people of Paradise will be given the strength of a hundred men for eating, drinking, desire and sexual intercourse. A man among the Jews said, ‘The one who eats or drinks needs to excrete!’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: ‘The excretion of any one of them will be in the form of sweat which comes out through his skin, then his stomach will reduce in size again.’” (Narrated by Ahmad, no. 18509; al-Daarimi, no. 2704)
The mufassireen said concerning the phrase “busy in joyful things” (Yaa-Seen 36:55 – interpretation of the meaning):
‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood and Ibn ‘Abbaas (mayAllaah be pleased with them both), and Sa’eed ibn al-Musayyib, ‘Ikrimah, al-Hasan, Qutaadah, al-A’mash, Sulaymaan al-Taymi and al-Oozaa’i said concerning the aayaah (interpretation of the meaning),
“Verily, the dwellers of Paradise, that Day, will be busy in joyful things” [Yaa-Seen 36:55]
they said, (it means) they will be busy deflowering virgins. Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said, according to a report narrated from him, that “busy in joyful things” means listening to stringed instruments. Abu Haatim said: he misheard the phrase iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins) and thought it was samaa’ al-awtaar (listening to stringed instruments). In fact the correct phrase is iftidaad al-abkaar (deflowering virgins). (Ibn Katheer, 3/564)
With regard to children, the scholars differed as to whether children would be born as a result of this intercourse or not. Some said that there would be children if the man wants them, but the pregnancy and birth would take just one hour. Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If the believer wants a child in Paradise, the pregnancy and delivery will take only an hour, then the child will be the age that the man wants.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2487; al-Daarimi, no. 2712; Ahmad, no. 11339; Ibn Maajah, no. 4329). And Allaah knows best.
We ask Allaah to admit us to Paradise and to keep us far away from the Fire. May He bless us with the highest Firdaws, for He is the One Who is Able to do that. Praise be to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds.
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This kind of thinking (SEE BELOW) is nonsense. I think you just made a sorry excuse for horrific, barbaric, shameful killing of TOTALLY INNOCENT peace loving people who are just as poor and live in the same conditions are the killers.
Thailand is a poor country. The North East part of Thailand called Isaan is as poor or poorer than the predominantly Muslim South. The Isaan area is 100% Bhuddist and I can assure you there is no religious violence there.
Don't make excuses for the killing of innocent families, monks, police, and even school teachers like these two victims:
^ these pictures are not for the faint of heart
Thailand has never seen anything like this!
And you say...maybe they want to practice their own laws in Thailand? Well, I think you're right. I think Muslims have a hard time being a minority in lots of countries. Some aren't happy until Islam is the law of the land.
This is scary. You said it! You just justified terrible kiling of innocents because they want an Islamic State. I have so much to say about that... I'll just let everyone imagine how I would respond to that :)
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"Maybe the conditions of Muslims in Thailand are bad. Maybe they are poor, a minority group? want to practice their own laws in Thailand"
I like your views. I think you speak for Islam better than anyone. You are the first Muslim that I know of...to actually say something like this:
"And it is very understandable for me that people with a new found awareness about islam and Muslims find these things very disturbing..and honestlly WHO WOULDNT...." (refering to another beheading)
Western people really appreciate such a candid comment.
You are a very fair-minded person and I respect you for it. I just want to clarify that I'm not of the opinion that all or even most Muslims are bad people or capable of such violence.
However, I think there is a sizable minority that doesn't condemn religious violence committed around the world. I have a good understanding about why Muslims are silent but I won't delve into that right now.
Hussamf, I think you would agree there is a militant side of Islam. We see it everyday. Saudi Arabia even has a sword on their flag! I know you disagree but, beheadings are in some way related to Islam. Some aspects of Islam are very much stuck in medieval times.
Think about this...
If you reverse the situation in Thailand...say there is a Bhuddist population (5%) in Saudi Arabia living in the far North or South of the country. Everyday these Bhuddists are running around killing teachers, police, burning down schools, beheading Imams, etc. Do you think for a second that Saudi Arabia would tolerate this? Everyone knows there wouldn't be anymore Bhuddists living there within weeks. Bye bye Bhuddists.
But the Thais put up with this.
Hey I'm venting now. I'm just presenting ideas and alternative views, that's all.
Hussamf if I still lived in Qatar I would take you up on the offer.
I hope I've toned down my rhetoric.
Sage,
i totally agree with u that behading a guy ( for any reason) is outrageous...
Especially when that man is an ice cream vendor...
I assure u that upon reading that , i was upholed and disgusted...
And it is very understandable for me that people with a new found awareness about islam and Muslims find these things very disturbing..and honestlly WHO WOULDNT....
While in no way i try 2 look for excuses for such a ridicilous act, i would simply like 2 draw ur attention to the following
Islam doesnt tell people 2 behead people....
in the same way one can argue that Guns dont kill people, People kill people....
i can use the same line of argument in saying that Islam doesnt encourage people to behead people...Its the resident evil and repression inside them that does that...
I dont know if u r american or not, but if u are, How would u like me 2 judge the almost 300 million americans to be murderous rapists based on the news i hear about the increadible amount of rape crimes and unjustified killings the US troops are charged with in Iraq everyday for example...
If u accept that ( which i m sure u dont), then i would accept u judging Muslims based on an incident like the one u dicribed...
Having said that, i still didnt even touch on the Issue of ISLAM ITSELF....
Even if u feel u can and should pass a judgment on some MUSLIMS who do outrageous things, i assure u friend that this has no bearing on the FAITH OF ISLAM...
ISLAM IS BUEATIFULL...IT IS PURE, IT IS LOVING, IT IS TOLERANT, ITS IS SERENE, IT IS BLISSFULL ....
I understand that the actions of muslims ( that u hear about in the news anyways)are all u have to go by when try to pass a judgment on the Faith of Islam...
However i do EMPLORE YOU and all those reading not to make that mistake,,
Islam is NOT DEFINED by the actions of Muslim extremists...In the same way Christianity is not defined by extrere christians and Juadism is not defined by extreme jews...
I will again agree with u that watching the news makes it feel like there is no such thing as non extere muslims...
But here i m man...and here are all the arab muslims on this site...
and u live in doha dont u...Has there been an attempt on ur life bec u r christian or western???
do u feel unsafe walking amidst muslims??
are we really what the media makes us to be...
even better, Are most of us what the media makes us ALL to be??
Look, i would be glad to PERSOANLLY meet with any of u and discuss in person with u whatever u might want 2 discuss about islam and arabs,,
if u even like, i can try to make some sort of a lecture to intorduce u to islam and the life of mohammad if u would like...
if that is something u would like 2 hear about, i m more than happy to extend my time and services to the end of u gaining a little bit of information about this great faith and the man who shouldered the burdon of bringing it to us....
God bless u all..
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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat
i like your post.Thanks for giving time to enhance our thoughts.
Keep writing dear.
Salam
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As an atheist-raised-Christian I find Red_Pope's comments quite despicable.
This is a thread about Islam for those of us ignorant about the subject, not yet another avenue for bible-bashers to get on their soapboxes.
Considering the incredibly rude comments about Islam made in this thread I think the Muslims have been very restrained and polite.
What a shame this tolerance is not reciprocated. Kind of ironic really (but of course this irony will be invisible to some).
Maybe the conditions of Muslims in Thailand are bad. Maybe they are poor, a minority group? want to practice their own laws in Thailand,
Some comments in this forum are really getting disgusting. Don't discuss these things here, do u think a religious scholar will be chating on this forum?
Anybody has any questions about islam just search the database at the following website.
http://www.islam-qa.com
May Allah forgive us!!
Ijaz
Mr. Red rope and Sage778
i would like 2 draw the attention of both of u along with everyone else to the fact that u r grocely misinformed ..which is OK, i guess this is why this exchange of info is so important, so that those of us who dont know become enlighetned....
Mr, rope, let me adress ur points 1 by 1
1) Mohammad didnt ( and never wanted) 2 commit sucide upon recieving the 1st revelation.
His response ( that of uncertainity and fear) is nothing short of normal, and is the same feeling described by Moses and all those who came in direct conatct with the majesty of God...
2) No self respecting scholar of christianity has ever dared to verify that jesus EVER refered to himself as god...
as a matter of fact, self respecting christian scholars are very sure that he never did....and that the idea of the divinity of jesus came later on after he had died...
for refrence please read Keren Aremstrong's " History of God"
Just for the record, Miss Aremtrong is an EX nun....
Also let me point ur attention that NONE OF THOSE WHO BROUGH THE WORD OF GOD TO MAN KIND EVER ALLEDGED THEY WERE DEVINE...THEY ALL CONFESSED TO BEING MEN...
There is NO SENSE is sending a lion 2 preach to dogs...
in the same way, there is no sense in sendig Gods to preach to men...
Mohammad indeed confessed to being man, in the same way all other prophets did ( abraham, moses, isiah, jacob,) ALL OF THEM ( including christ in the muslim vesrion of the story at least)
3)Mohhamd's instructions came DIRECTLY from God VIA the angel Gabriel...
its absoultely redicilous to even bring that up...
if u have a problem with the messnegrs God chooses to send his words to his prophets;, take it up with him ( God ) directlly, and save us the sophists attitude, we can argue about semnatics and means of delivery from here till doom;s day to no avail...
4)Mohammad 's miracles were many...The fact that u ignorant to em doesnt mean they didnt exist...
The moon split when he pointed at it.
He fed an entire army from a little bit of milk he had with him...
He healed the sick with the touch of his hand....
and many other things
all that put aside, there is a wisdom in not having Mohammad perform many impressive miracles as jesus did...
the idea is to make mankind understand that ANYONE ( for mohammad was just a man) who is well connected to God can live a happy prosporous life and do great things in life without having to resort to miracles.
and the idea also was to test the faith of the believers...
its very easy to believe a man who can revive the dead or split the sea into to halves when he says he has a message from god.
But when u r convinced without seeing those super duper things, and are convinced solely by merit of argument and belief and faith, then u have reached a non surpassed level of faith never before whitnesses in human history...
5)There is no way in the world you ( or anyone else) can prove that jesus didnt marry...
and even if he didnt, i think it can be attributed to the fact that he was " taken" from earth before he reached 35 years of age...
a man like him busy with preaching since he was an infant ( for the quran tells us he spoke in his cradle), might not have had the time to do so...That in no way means he never intended to..
On the other hand, Mohammad's experience is again more human ( and hence could be duplicated by u and me)
i really doubt ( and i m sure u d agree with me), that none of us would ever be able 2 sacrifice ourselves on a cross for the slavation and redemption of the Human race ...
On the other hand, we can all be like Mohammad in his manners and kindness, and we can all learn from him as a single man, a husband, and a father .....( or at least strive 2 be)...
6) i m not quite sure what difference does it make when jesus and mohammad recieved the comission and the calling!!!!Day light, Darkness of the night!!!What is ur point ???r u like a morning kinda guy or something?!
7)Mohammad did fullfill many biblical prophecies...
for ur refrence as a scholar of christianity i refer u to the following webpage, i hope u find it usefull
( http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-3-more.htm)
8)The quran never stipulated the Mohammad was a sinner...if u r going to refer to versus from the quran for citation, u can at least do so after having read the meaning of the verse u r quoting instead of making urself judge and jury on an issue u r so far from capable of being objective about....
9) indeed mohammad was not virgin born...Only 1 man in history was virgin born..and that man is Christ...
The reason for that is to complete the circle of creation of the all mighty..its a testimony in the greatness of God...
He created Adam from no man and no woman
Created eve from a man and no woman
and therefore it was only natural that he creates jesus
Jesus was created with a woman and no man..
And that is how God shows us his power
10)Jesus did recieve the voice of God directly while MOhammad recieved revalations from Gabriel...
However MOhammad assended to the 7th heaven and was IN THE ACTUAL PHISICAL PRESENCE OF THE ALLMIGHTY....
11) Mohammad said about women ( No one but a vicious person would harm a woman, and no one but a gentle man would honor her)
Mohammad said ( Heaven is at the feat of Mothers)
When asked who to pay tribute to while alive Mohammad replied
Ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said: ur mom
he was asked " then who"
he said " ur mom"
he was asked " then who"
he replied " ur dad"
MOhammad never said women were 1/2 as smart as men, and what u r refering 2 IS NOT HADITH, its a quranic verse...
And the verse talks not of intteligence in any ways...
it merely stipulates that in situations were testimony is needed, u can use 2 male whitnessess OR 1 male whitness and 2 female whitnesses...
the wisdom of that i cant really answer conclusivelly on...
My best explanation ( and i could be totally wrong) , is that sometimes when women are hermonal like at times of PMS and their period , they are so very emotional that it sometimes affects how they judge things...
that is not to say they CAN NOT JUDGE, ..rather i mean that they tend to wieght things with a more emotional balance than a rational one...
and may be thats why 2 women are needed so that if one of them is in that state the other would remind her....
and again i reittertae thats my own attempt at explaining this, i could be totally wrong...
In conclusion, thank u for ur polite words about the prophet of islam...
As for jesus and Mary, as a muslim i have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for both of them as an integral part of my faith in God the allmighty....
If u beleieve that mohammad falls short when compared to jesus, the only thing i could reply by saying is that God doesnt want us to compare between his messengers, but to listen to the message that they all came with to us...
and that message ( and jesus would agree with me on that) is of love, ...Not of blind hate as poisonous redicule that serves no purpose but to illustrate to all of those who are truley believers in their heart that u r NO WHERE CLOSE TO UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, MOSES, OR Mohammad...
My God bring peace to ur soul...
As for Sage778
Sir....
As u might have noticed, i found the little comaprisson Mr. Pope did nothing short of distastfull and full of fallacies...
I hope u r even more enlightened now about the life of mohammad....
The bible in our faith is an integral part of our faith as muslims and so is the torah...
the teachings of the torah , the bible, and the quran are one and the same,,and naturally so for they all come from the same diety, the God of us all, the one and only, the allmighty....
It follows logically that any muslim would certainly like the bible and the torah when we read them, for they are very similar to our book...
the only parts the Muslims find contraversial ( and Jews as well) in the bible are those that refer to Christ as a divinity..
as i was explaining 2 mr pope, no self respecting scholar of christianity has ever been able to alledge with a clear consiounce that jesus DID INDEED CLAIM TO BE DEVINE WHILE ALIVE...
please refer to Keren armestrongs; bueatifull masterpiece, A history of God....( Keren is an ex nun btw)
A final word on this whole thing is
Muslims respect all prophets of God, and Christ has an increadible status in our religion as the FINAL SAVIOUR...The man who will lead the last fight between Good and evil , and kill the anti christ and be the last leader of the nation of believers on earth before aramageddon...
that is how much respect and staus jesus has in my faith...
if u r speaking about tolerance, please show me what respect u have extended to Mohammad, the messeneger of God who changed the face of the earth and started an empire of God fearing worshipping people out of pagant stone worhiping tribes...
show me how tolerant u r and how abiding are u to the teachings of Christ of love and acceptance....
I will agree with u that the face of islam today is not tolerant...
Trust me my friend, that has nothing 2 do with the FAITH of Islam...
it has to do with the quality of muslims these days...
Mohammad, the man u so igorantlly redicule, ( May God forgive u for that)was the 1st man in recorded history to make a modern day constitution giving Jews the right of citizinship in his city ( Madina) and Muslims and jews coexisted in Madina untill the jews ( while mohammad and the entire army was at the outskirts of the city defending an invasion) turned against him and started killing the muslim women and children left behind....
Mohammad, My dear friend, was the 1st man in history to sign a non agression treaty between religions when he recieved a christian delagation for a trible called "Bani Nagran" in which he wrote that there will be no coersion of them 2 convert, and that they can practice their religion in their churches without ever fearing a muslim attack or agression...
That is the kind of tolerance Mohammad lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance jesus lived by
and that is the kind of tolerance any true believer should strive to live by....
But leave it to some ridicelous Muslims who go around bombing people in the name of God, and some equally ridicelous people who try to Put the prophets and messengers of God in a comparisson to see who is better ( as if its a football game) to spoil that spirit of tolerance and acceptance....
May god bless us all....
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"missiles, warships and nuclear weapons cannot establish security. Instead they destroy what peace and security build." Anwar Sadat
Let us not judge God based on what humans (Muslims or not Muslims) did.
Nobody knows how God looks like. As I know God is sexless. He is not like humans as I know. He is very beautiful & extremely merciful.
Islamically speaking, please try looking at the sky at the last third of night, probably before 5 am winter time. Look at the stars, & think about the creation. God is great, no body saw him, he is not a human being, he is not Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) nor the angel Gabriel(sorry for Christians members).
Suppose that your parents abandoned you in the desert. You grew up without interaction with humans. As I know, you will be a believer of God without the need of being with other humans.
As I know, the God in Islam is the same one that you think about when you are abandoned since the birth.
I'm sorry to tell u that ur absolutely wrong w/ ur statement that we muslims doesn't know much about him (Jesus).
where in fact Jesus(pbuh) was mentioned five times (5X) in the Holy Qurán more than Muhammad(Pbuh).
(its ok sage, i excuse ur ignorance)
Peace!
it costs plenty
All those silly rules that you follow. All that time and effort wasted praising. All those people killed in the name of a fictional character. It is no different for me to hear that someone killed someone else because they didn't believe in the tooth fairy
Beleiving in the existence of God cost nothing.
As I know, in Islam if you have little beleive in God, it is enough to go in Heaven.
As I know, beside having little beleive in God, we could stop insulting each other, stealing from each other, backbitting, beating each other,...
God doesn't exist.
It is just a way of giving you hope.
Man evolved religion soon after he/she evolved causality.
Stop wasting your time
As I know Muslims beleive that Jesus peace be upon him loves true Muslims more than the people who think that he is the God.
True Muslims are closer to Moses than others, true Muslims are closer to Jesus than others.
The first wife of prophet Muhammad was 15 years older than him as I know. As I know, God asked prophet Muhammad to marry women. He did not choose to marry his wives.
The muslims has no hesitation about accepting the most wondrous of Jesus(pbuh) miracles(even that of reviving the dead). BUT that does not make Jesus a "God" or the begotten "Son of God" as understood by our christians brothers like you.
Miracles do not prove even prophethood, or wheteher a man is true or false. Jesus himself said:
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Mathew 24:4)
If false prophets and false christs can perform miraculous feats, then these wonders or miracles do not even prove the genuineness or otherwise of a prophet.
John the baptist, according to Jesus, was the greatest of the Israelite prophets. Greater than Moses, David, Solomon, Isaiah and all not excluding himself: in his own words:
"verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist..." (Mathew11:11)
Not excluding Jesus(pbuh)? was he not born of a woman-Mary?
The Baptist greater than all? yet he did not performed a single miracle? It means miracles are no standards of judging truth and falsehood!
But our Christian brothers insists that Jesus is God, because he gave life back to the dead. Will reviving the dead make others God too? If these are the standards then:
1. Moses is greater than Jesus because he put life back into a dead stick and transmuted it from the plant kingdom to the animal kingdom by making it into a serpent (Exodus 7:10)
2. Elisha is greater than Jesus because the rotten bones of Elisha brought a man back to life merely by coming into contact w/ the corpse (2 Kings 13:21)
Need we illustrate here a catalogue of miracles? But the sickness persist- "it was God working miracles through His prophets, but Jesus performed them of his own power" where did Jesus(pbuh) get all his power from? Let's ask Jesus, and he will tell us:
""...All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth"
(Mathew 28:18)
"...I cast out devils BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD. then the kingdom of God is come unto you" (Mathew 12:28)
"I can of mine OWN SELF do nothing" (John 5:30)
"...I with the FINGER OF GOD cast out devils..." (Luke 11:20)
So, the "POWER" as he says is not his. "it is given unto me". Given by whom? By God, of course! Every action and every word he attributes to God.
Peace!
It's a matter of Freedom of Speech.
It's good to be aware of other religions.
After all, as RED_POPE said, the the judgement is yours.
RESPECT is the best key here.
We need some discussion & elaboration from the knowlegeable persons regarding the topic.Just i knew now a background from Mhamad.
This is interesting!
"We are the ones who is responsible for our salvation."
As I know, in Islam, at the end of the World, prophet Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will come back & be against the Christians who beleive that he is God.
In heaven people's bodily conditions get changed. They do not need to go to bathrooms, they do not feel tired, One day in hereafter is like 1000 years on Earth.
Be aware that Women's population is bigger than men's population.
A Comparison between Jesus and Muhammad
Following is a chart to that shows some of the strong differences between Jesus and Mohammed. The Muslims revere Mohammed as the greatest of prophets yet, Jesus clearly demonstrated greater authority, teaching, and miracles and Mohammed ever did. Why would anyone want to follow Mohammed over Jesus when Jesus claimed to be divine, performed many miracles, said he alone was the truth, raised people from the dead, and rose from the dead himself and Mohammed did none of these things. However, Mohammed did have people killed, spread his religion through war, married a very young girl and had relations with her at nine, and taught hatred of Jews and Christians.
Death: Jesus died and rose from the dead Muhammad died and stayed dead.
Fighting Jesus never fought Muhammad fought many many times
Hearing from God When Jesus heard from God he went to the desert to be tempted and began his ministry with boldness, (Mark 1:14-15). When Muhammad heard from God (through an angel) he cowered, was uncertain, and wanted to commit suicide (Quran 74:1-5)
Identity Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:24; 8:58) as well as a man.
Jesus claimed to be the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). Muhammad claimed to be a man.
Instructions Received Jesus: From God the Father (John 5:19) Muhammad From an angel
Killing Jesus never killed anyone Muhammad killed many
Life Jesus had the power to take life, but never did. He restored it. Muhammad had the power to take it, but he never restored it.
No one ever died in Jesus' presence Many people died in Muhammad's presence -- he killed them.
Marriage Jesus never married Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine year old girl.
Ministry Jesus received his calling from God directly (Matt. 3:17).
Jesus received his commission in the daylight
Muhammad received it from an angel (Gabriel)
Muhammad received his words in the darkness of a cave.
Ministry Length Jesus taught for 3 1/2 years Muhammad taught for more than 20 years
Miracles Jesus performed many miracles including healing people, calming a storm with a command, and raising people from the dead. Muhammad's only alleged miracle was the Quran.
Prophecy Jesus fulfilled biblical prophecy about being the Messiah Muhammad did not fulfill any biblical prophecy except the ones about false teachers (Matt. 24:24).
Sacrifice Jesus voluntarily laid his life down for others Muhammad saved his own life many times and had others killed.
Sin Jesus never sinned (1 Pet. 2:22) Muhammad was a sinner (Quran 40:55; 48:1-2)
Slaves Jesus owned no slaves Muhammad owned slaves.
Virgin Birth Jesus was virgin born Muhammad was not virgin born.
Voice of God Jesus received and heard the direct voice of God (Mark 1:10-11)
Muhammad did not receive or hear the direct voice of God. It was an angel instead.
Women Jesus spoke well of women Muhammad said women were were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.
There is no comparison between Jesus and Muhammad. Muhammad falls so far short, that he cannot be held on any level remotely close to Jesus. Muhammad is clearly inferior to Christ.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds..
Guys/Gals,
It's great that everyone is discussing and learning here but please respect other people's cultures and religions. There is no need to be rude, insulting, etc.
Let's all play nice and respect each other!
Thought this was a free speech forum??
Let me reminde everyone here to show respect to prophet Mohammad(PBUH),
Qatari, will u say somthing here,I think some members r not dealing with the subjsct with enough respect..
Hi amrola, pls. allow me to support ur comments that night is called in arabic as ISSRA WA MEARAJ.
I heard this hadith 18 yrs ago from our Islamic theology teacher during my 2nd yr in secondary school. subhanallah, our teacher told us same story like amrola and i do believe its true coz prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is Al-amin (The trustworthy), the spirit of truth and he never lies.
Allah says in Qu'ran:
[4][140] "Already has He sent you word in the Book, that when ye hear the Signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and those who defy Faith, all in Hell."
Please, if you find what you have been ordered, either change the subject or leave the topic...
Regards,
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"Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?"
Surah "Al Mo'Emnon" verse (115)
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i never knew this story amrola, thank you.
i knew that we were supposed to pray 50 times daily and that was reduced to 5 to make praying easy for every man.
happy heart
drive safe because someone is waiting for you at home
In the west, we have for the last hundred years or so considered the stories of the Bible to be at best a metaphor for the spiritual experience.
Heaven is also described there in terms of 'rivers of wine' and sexual delight ; see the Songs of Solomon for a start. If we talk about the ineffable experience of the transcendent then we have to use metaphor; the imagined condition of sexual bliss is a picture that people can relate to.
Literalists of the text are still stuck on the metaphor, and can't see beyond to what it is picturing.
"When you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer...Superstition ain't the way, no no no..."
Stevie Wonder.
lol @ red rope... well , i dont know about the availabilty of viagra ,and i am not sure about the daily 42 shots that it is a must .. but sure it is avialable whenever you want .. just get ready and i assure that you can do it, its heaven man !! lol
Han19... well the 7th sky trip .. is a trip had been made by the Prophet Mohamed accompanied with an angel (who was the link between prophet and God)this trip has an arabic name which i do not know its english translation.. but since it had been tailed by Muhamed then it is true (as he never lies). in breif .. the prophet was in a very disperate case due to many reasons (no need to detail it now) and it happened that the (link angel)came to him one night and took him in a trip over something like flying carpet that flew from Suadi arabia(to ease the geography defination)to jurislem city (the city of which Palastinian and Israel negotiating and fighting to be a part of thier country - so far it is within israel border- hope you know it by now).. in Jurislem there is a holly mosque called al aqsa mosque.. where phropet Mohamed prayed as a prayer leader to all prophets and messenger who had been sent from god to humans all around the ages and centuries.. that included Jeses (messenger of christianity) , Abraham (the massenger who built the Kaaba) , Muases (messenger of juwesh) and a lot who we know and who we dont .. he had been offered a glass of milk of which he drink a lot of it but not all of it . and after that he had been told by the link angel(jebreel)if you had drink all the glass all your followers will enter the heaven with no question about thier attitude in earth, when Mohamed requested to bring the glass again to drink it all , the link angel (jebreel) replied .. no . its too late now ( thats why some muslims will pass through hell before going to heaven as a kind of punishment of wht they were doing in earth).. after that.. prophet flew to the sky (ridding the flying carpet or the similer thing) and went up and up to the sky , where he saw a lot of things like ppl who were eating fire rocks and routen meat and when he asked jebreel (the link angel) wht is that and why they are doing so , jebreel replied those are the ppl who used to steel the money of oprhan kids (like legal gardians who were responsible to run the business and the wealth of orphan kids) then he saw women who were hanged from thier breast, and when he asked about them .. jebreel replied those are the women who were not respecting the privacy of thier bodies and encouraged the nudesim.. and again he saw a wonderfull place with known but unusual fruits in shape and colors and luxury place where its ground are in pereal and precious stones .. and that was the heaven ( sorry i dont recall exactly all wht he saw in heaven and hell) but it was something unbeliveable .. after that he kept going up and up till Jebreel said , I cant go further up with you , other wise i will be burned from the light of god but you ( muhamed ) are protected so you can keep on so you can see the god .. ( Muhamed was asked by his friends how the god look like .. he replied I couldnt see it clearly , but the light was very strong and it was amazing thing and marvelus).. there he talked to god and got the orders of muslims prayers method .. and ordered that muslims must pray 50 times a day .. when he got the order and went down , he met with Mouses ( jwesh prophet ) he ( Mosues) asked Mouhamed about how many prayers god orderd him .. Muhamed replied 50 times a day .. Mouses replied .. no way i know those ppl more than you ,, they will not obay you , go up and ask god to ease that and reduce the number .. so Muhamed went up and requested the same .. and it was reduced to 45 .. and the same happend with Mouses .. then he went up again requesting the same .. and it was reduced to 40, 35,30 and so on and so on till it reach to 5 prayers a day .. and when Mouses requested mohamed to go up and reduce it again , Muhamed replied I am shy to ask more reduction .. and he went dwn to earth in jurislem and then flew to his home... Yes this story when Muhamed tailed it , it was very strange to ppl."even within muslim comunity" (the idea of flying and going up to god and wht he see .. etc .. etc.) but the proof that it was true , that it was well known that Muhamed never visited al Aqsa Mousque in jurislem.. and when they asked him to discribe (those who visited and know it by hard) the prophet discribed it in a full details that surprised them . and those who were histated about the story belived him after his dicreption of the place.
amazing huh .. I an all muslim knows that a lot of non muslim ppl till now says that this is imposible.. but why it is possible that Mouses talked to god (in juwesh)and Jeses had powers that never given to any human (recover ppl from deadly deseses .. gives life to died ppl..etc).. when we talk about god power .. we cant think with our normal earth mind ..
If you go to heaven, you get 42 virgins?
Dammed, that is what I called being sore for days, weak and tired everyday. That is a lot of calorie burning. I hope in that kind of heaven, they sell Viagra and lots of Ginseng to maintain that energy and drive going on.
Could you imagine making love to 42 virgins? One everyday day?
LOL
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds..
what is this 7th sky trip?i am horrible,
happy heart
drive safe because someone is waiting for you at home
my info. is sourced from the guest of that TV program i spoke about ( he is trusted guy by the way and moderate muslim)
in addition there is a lot of description of heaven and hell in the Quran (islam holly book).. my self i like the heaven discreption more .. as the hell part is realy more than horrible .. but is true and you have to wish the heaven and escape from hell.
although im moderate muslim .. but have a lot of sins too as a human .. but still hope the heaven with god mercy .. and the daily trial to avoide mistakes and sins .. some times i can and some times i just slip in it .. i m human we all do things wrong..
as a reply to some earlier comments
just wanna say .. that .. yes there is riveres of wine and women can be the men bounes etc .. but hey .. why is that ? simply because in islam both wine & having sex with no marriage is a sin ( ofcourse not the only sin there are others ) and humans are known with thier weakness against thier desires (wheather a sin or not).. and in heaven all wht humans had prevented for themselves to follow god rules in earth .. they will get all wht they want in heaven as bonus in thousands doubles and may be millions...
i m not sure about that spritual things .. simply beacuse if we as humans will not be in the same nature with (additional senses and instict-cant get the right spelling-)we will not enjoy wht we prohibited our self from to oby god rules.. and in the same time if a human go to hell .. he/she should feel and know that nothing in earth compared to this pain so to add a sicological effect on how a big mistake not to prevent his/herselves from forbidden joy..
I know a story told by prohpet Muhamed during his 7th sky trip (yes we belive in it and not subject to discussion in here now .. but i can in a later discussion)
that there is a man who went to hell and he kept beging god to get him out and not to get him in heaven just to escape from hell pain and he will never ask 4 anything after that.. and when god approve his request . and get him out .. he see a tree close to heaven gate .. and he start beging god to puts him close to this tree and promised not to ask more .. and god approves his begging.. then he listen to the sounds of ppl in heaven dancing and singing .. so he again and again ask god and beg him to get closer to heaven .. and he will not as 4 anything again .. so god replies him .. ok u will get in the heaven .. but u will be the most poor human there.. and when the man asked how poor god ? the god replies .. as the most reach human in earth and 1000 or 100 (i m not sure) double... ( bill gates will never reach this stage.. lol)
you wanna know more about heaven ask me .. i will get u answers from Quran and aht religious men say about it .. or go to (www.amrola.com - joking..lol)
amrola where did u get your info?
its interesting but how true is it? i am simply asking bcos i have heard this version for the first time.
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I was not talking about that part of it... no limitation for bodies means..was just thinking of changing my shape and size everyday and do whatever I wish which I cannot do in this world.
A good way to do that is take 72 copies of Karm Sutra and hand it out first. ;P
hi gypsy! you are taking it high serious. Its a game of life. Some get virgin before they settle their life or some after they get marry. So b4 or later, they have to be. But we should take it as caring for the gals other than thinking about sex.
After reading all these I just cant wait to reach heaven. Its soo tempting.
amrola thanks!
Muliebriamania has a good point. virgins lack experiance = bad sex! LOL
The reason behind the constant virgin is a male dominated society dream.
How else could a man feel more powerful than constantly taking something from a woman such as her virginity??
And yep, I agree, that sounds boring as hell to me, kind of prefer Liana's version but with sexes reversed, women feeding me grapes etc.
You're born, you take s**t. You get out in the world, you take more s**t. You climb a little higher, you take less s**t. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what s**t even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.
The perfect woman and the perfect man, a constant virgin, quite possibly 72 of them...I'm sorry but this sounds more like Hell to me than Paradise. I mean who wants to be with a constant virgin? Bad sex for eternity. No thank you.
Ready for it brothers..!!
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only looking for wine and women in heaven ?
in the heaven there will be spirits only, which means no limitation of bodies so u can get whatever u want and whatever u liked or dreamed of .
The wife will be the queen and her husband will be as she wants , whatever she liked of man she will get in her husband and the man tooo.
so that time he will not need 42 women.
hey man , u are giving a good question which i got its answer in a TV program 2 yrs back , and let me share you the answer stated by guest of this TV program.
1st. yes it is true that the man will get married to a very beautifull vergin women in heaven , who enjoy a beauty that never been seen and the amazing thing , that whenever you make love to them they appear as if they are still vergin and its thier 1st time (i do not how - but thats a god power) any way .. in spite that those ladies enjoy a beauty that is unbelivable , but they are non comparable to the beauty of the earth women who wil go to heaven .. as if you are comparing star beauty with moon beauty.. ( earth women are the moon and others are the stars)
ppl in heaven will not look like what they look in earth .. men and women will be aged 33yrs and they will be shaped very sexy and attactive to each others .. if there is a woman who is married to a man who she dont like , she will be compansated with another man who will be the man of her dream ( he might be the same man she was married in earth - but in a differnt shape and attitude - dont ask me how "at the moment" beacuse this is another story) and the guest added that men will be sticked to thier lovely wives because wives will look much much more pretty than heaven vergin girls..
it is said that man/woman in heaven will accompany the woman/man they love .. this include mums - dads - family .. and your x gf that you still dreaming of and u do not dare to tell ur wife abt this. saying to ur wife in the next morning ohh darling i had a sweet dream of u last night .. lol.
women will be asked in heaven wheather they they want thier hubbies in thier new shape ( new look .. lol) or they want another man of thier choice .. and they will wnjoy something very unique which is not 100% common in earth .. which is that they will not like any man but thier male heaven mate or husband.
another things they will enjoy in heaven totaly free .. which is shopping (omg God knows wht they like) .. there is a lot to say about heaven in Quran (islam holy book).. which i can tell you some and others you can find it out in websites ..
in berif women will be much pretty in heaven than heaven virgin girls .. and they will be more desirable by thier men .. and they have the option to choose too ( thier men or another).. in addition that she will be committed to only one man ( by her choice)
God mentioned a lot about heaven's joy that is not immaginable by humans (like what ? - i do not know lol) i am human..
Yes that is right...
I wasn't very encouraged when I found out.
There are rivers of wine... but I have never been able to establish what region or vintage...I need specifics
Liana Banana I bet you would like that.....thats just your version of Heaven. Right! = )
I'm not sure I got this the men get 42 women and the women get to see Mohamed?
The face of the prophet Mohamed will be revealed....
Iniquality in heaven and earth!
Greek men. A few can give her a massage and the others can wear togas and feed her grapes ha ha ha
maybe the women get 42 hot muscly EXPERIENCED randy men.
Try this site it may be helpfull. Sorry i can't answer you myself as i don't think am qualified to say something that i may not be sure of it 100%.