why only native english teachers?

It has become much too personal and the insults being bandied about, including some from so called competent people, have gone too far. Regards

and what are you then? You are RACIST! You never learn your mistake. You belittle the hands that feeds you and everyone else here. Hope they throw you out, the sooner the better!

And another one came to the rescue, GAy kangaroo dog, yesterday night? Did I say that? Lessen your booze, maybe you'll think rightly!

Birds of same feathers flock together

Flor and myself came to a settlement. I would stop pointing out his Fails in exchange of him responding to "MC".

was that yesterday night,, or parking at rear,, i stil dont get it...

Segmund,

I think you showed us a great deal of your logic in many posts in here. People are not stupid. You can have a few dumb asses clap for you in here, but deep down you know what I am saying ( i hope )

I make MANY errors, but guess what? I am not trying to teach in here. It's like blaming a plumber for not knowing aerodynamics...once again you FAIL.

You speak about competence and competent you're not. I gave you many chances and simplified my explanation to the point where my foot can understand it. Best is if you go to a few schools and pay them a visit and see for yourself the level of competence. In fact, go anywhere in here and see the level of professionalism, punctuality, etc as compared to the rest of the world. Not sure what part of this world you come from, but you are some naive man.

Ever been to any hospital here? Just curious...Have you dealt with their doctors Mr. Einstein?

Realistically speaking, there isn't only black and white in the spectrum of colors, but in Qatar it is mostly black or white, Poor or rich, great or terrible. Elsewhere, there are many non-natives that are great at teaching. These mostly do not exist in here. Qatar is the home of desperate unfortunate Asians. Ones who would rather be slaves than live at their home countries.

In many schools here, teachers are house wives who are doing this just for the cash. No passion for teaching and no mastering in the topic they teach. Just like how in the US every college dropout becomes a makeup “ARTIST”. They even call themselves artists. You probably were one in your past life :)

Enjoy that bubble dude,

Let's stop all the argumentation please! Merry Christmas to all!

they are actually talking about their own, not as whether you are good or bad in English. ANd it is being encourage by those who look at the "looks" rather than competence.

Someone even mentioned about "f" and "p". Better to say "puck" than ....! Lol!

I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any idea?

I never said why natives, or non-natives, are hired here in the Arab world. Perhaps you are right, it is cheaper to hire non-native speakers of English.

My point is entirely different. I am only saying ideally one should be hiring a teacher who is really competent, regardless of whether they are natives or non-natives.

You are right. Relatively few people who are non-natives achieve the mastery of the language to the point that they are able to outplay natives at their own tongue.

Calling you an idiot would be an insult to all the stupid people in the world. You are just restating my own argument and then trying turn it against me. How do you ever suppose to win this way?

My argument remains the same. Even native speakers can make blunders in their language. Even you make big blunders as you write. If you want, I can point those blunders out to you. I am sure you do not want that, right?

The thing is simple. Whether you hire natives or non-natives, competence is what is needed. And you can find competence, or the lack of it, in both groups.

You have lost the argument. Do not make a fool of yourself by furthering this point. Otherwise, I would 'edit' and 'correct' each single line that you write. I hope that you understand.

My argument is based upon prejudice? lol what a tit of a man...

Listen man, not sure what bubble you live in or what cloud you are currently on, but I was basing my logic on Qatar.. I had many non native teachers back in the US as well and they were superior in the way they taught and transferred their knowledge even while having a thick accent. In Qatar however, i think it is very apparent how there is either great, or very bad in most services. Either cheap or expensive. why? That would be your assignment.

This is why even many translators here don't have a clue. Are you like blind or something? Look around you.. Store names are misspelled, movie scripts are wrongly translated. English Language is being murdered in here.

Beside that topic, we get it how you always try to be on the left side of things. Here is a bone...

so you really think schools here hire non-native speakers of English as teachers of English because of their competence.

ok i am going to state the reason just in case you do not know: they hire non-native speakers just because they are cheaper to hire than someone let's say from Canada or Australia.

everyday, I see so many signs on the streets in Arabic where the arabic is wrong to say the least. sometimes i pause for a while to understand what they meant though i am a native speaker of Arabic.

you know why? because signboard shops hire non-native speakers of arabic who usually come from Asia to do the arabic signs. and that happens for one reason because it is way to cheaper to hire an Asian than an Arab.

so when the criterion of hiring is not professionalism but low price, then you get low quality.

usually employers hire non-native speakers of English or Arabic just because they are cheapers and not for any other reason.

Yes, there are people who are not native speakers and achieve high level of language competency but they are minority not the majority.

You are too well deceived. Your argument is based upon prejudice more than any logic or sound reason. Your idea of being a native as a requirement for teaching a language is completely absurd, non-sensical, moronic, and outlandish.

Whether it is English, Arabic or any other subject on the green land of Lord, what you need in a teacher is competence. And competence in a language does not mean the same thing as being native to that language. Let me give you my own example. I have never received any instruction from any native speaker in my life. Yet without any preparation, I got a band 9 (expert user) on the IELTS exam. I met a lady who had been a native speaker and had been teaching English for 23 years. She told me she herself would probably not be able to get that score.

My dear friend language is a shared possession of humankind. Anyone can master any language to any level. To the native speaker, much of this mastery comes informally and without conscious effort. But that does not mean non-natives cannot master it as well as, or even better than, the vulgar native speaker.

A prudent parent would be one who would look for linguistic competence in the prospective teacher of their child rather than make sure the teacher is a native. Is it really that hard to understand?

Call me cynical, but could it be because most parents prefer that their children are taught by white and fair skinned teachers - accent or not !

Segmund,

When did I ever claim that my English was flawless?

Only thing I claimed is that to teach in English, you need to be a native speaker or very close to being one so that you can transfer the best knowledge to the uprising generation, which is nothing but being fair.

One word can change the meaning of a sentence and in turn alter the main concept. Would not want someone that slipped through the cracks of ESL teach my kids math or science.. I know it is hardly ever a requisite to have a native speaker teach other topics, unless when you hit the elite schools. And this is when you gotta pay to play.

How is this a head banging deep issue to agree on?

Even though you might be a native, your own English is anything but flawless. As far as teaching English goes, of course, it should be taught by someone who knows the language, has a good command of it, and can teach it in an effective manner; however, when it comes to teaching any other subject, perfection in the English language is hardly ever a requisite.

yes you are, in our country most of the teachers are not even finished their master degrees but they are doing great.

with due respect to all individuals here, i think the teacher should master the language, i.e, the medium of teaching.

so if you are teaching English language: you definitely need to be a native speaker of English

If you are teaching Math, Science, history, etc, in English, you definitely need to be a native speaker of English or close to that level.

If you are teaching Math, Science, history, etc, in Arabic, you definitely need to be a native speaker of Arabic or close to that level.

and if you are teaching Arabic language: you definitely need to be a native speaker of Arabic

and if you are teaching Hindi language: you definitely need to be a native speaker of Hindi

if you do not master the medium of teaching then we have a problem

i think this is common sense, am i wrong?

Im wondering who started this post and whos gonna end it. LOL

go out and get laid plz

I never initiated anything if you are an observant person, but 7 week here, you don't know me. So BACK OFF.

Why, do you have the monopoly of intellects that you can judge me that way? Practice what you preach, that's the best that you can do to stay here.

BTW, are you happy with yours? Looking at your postings here, you want us to believe you have the intellect level you wish you have? My goodness!

Flor, many people in here are getting sick and tired of you and your BS.

You know, log out and go breath some fresh air or even take a shower, I bet fruits shower more often than you if we take into account the amount of time you are online...

See Flor, you make fun of people's sexual tendencies although this is something every person is entitled to chose. You never make sense and you bring nothing but negative vibe and let's not forget your below average intellectual level in most topics on contribute to.

Are you happy with your life Flor? How can we help you?

I am serious and I wish to help. I believe you need help and there is totally nothing wrong with that.

I have students in many countries, including Qatar. I teach them one-to-one on Skype. Many of them have been previously taught by teachers of English who are not native-speakers. As a result they have developed bad habits of grammar, pronunciation, intonation. They come to me to correct these habits. Skype (or MSN) offers very good quality audio and video connections so that the student can learn directly from a native English.speaking teacher.

as he never used mms....

is that english too???

and if the user is stupid, you expect anything right? This guy only knows how to bash Filipinos. If he stop doing that, then everything will be back to normal.

First thing first, IT IS PINOY, NOT PINO! If he can't understand that, a simple "y", what do you expect to this KAngaroo dog?

say it again sorry i dont understand

maybe you have a thing for me flor... you follow me all the time and now its the gay comments,,, lucky i dont flag you as offensive and have you banned again

however you can insult me by calling me gay if you like, do you also have something against gay men and women,

well you are a racist i know and now a gay hater as well,, my god how many gay pinos are there here in Qatar let alone in the Philippines I don’t insult pinos,,

you just turn everything around to look that way,, but for the past 10 years i have been in the middle east i see that’s the pino way to distract the facts and blame offers for their misdoing,,,

its just water of a ducks back to us.. Maybe you’re so disgruntled in your western bosses that you air your bad feeling to all western men here....what you cant face them.... meeowwwww

I wonder y dd can thread words yet get often same errors?

I am a filipino

Hahaa.. DD ..Drink more and sell ur ipad .

it's not only spelling that is your problem, many have already told you what I am and yet you stick to your empty head.

MAybe everything you are telling me regarding cage, snoring, small room etc etc is happening to you. And the way you write it, it confirms that you are gay! And you never disprove it, maybe you are!

GET A LIFE!

You can insult me by calling me gay if you like,,, maybe i am gay, do you also have something against gay men and women, well you are a racist i know and now a gay hater as well,, my god how many gay pinos are there here in Qatar let alone in the Philippines I don’t insult pinos,, you just turn everything around to look that way,, but for the past 10 years i have been in the middle east i see that’s the pino way to distract the facts and blame offers for their miss doing,,, its just water of a ducks back to us.. Maybe you’re so disgruntled in your western bosses that you air your bad feeling to all western men here.... maybe your boyfriend can make you feel better over xmas and you can start a new for the new year.. What you say girl....????? have a good night sleep flor hope your room mates don't keep you awake snoring all night in that little room you call home away from home.

whatever and however you insult us Filipinos, we will remain as we are, united. You, even your compatriot despise you with your attitude.

Actually this thread talk about "native english", you are way out of this sense. Your "english" sucks!

BTW, somebody said you should go back to your work. Your work is related to safety if I am not mistaken but this community will be safer if you are not around!

i have no problem with black, white, yellow nor pink..

and yes my mom is proud of me coz she raised me well..

she inculcated in my gray matter to be humble and to be harmless to others..

its just sad that some guys here are lovin doin it..

does it feel good doin such??

like for me i felt bad if i said something bad to my dog and i do apologize if i did.. don't you guys from those nice countries sees dogs sad eyes??

coz even if im a pino i can see it..

Do you have problems with black people??????she is very proud of what i am now...what about your momma b$$$$###

ahahahahaha..

what an attidude.. WTF, as if you earn extra commenting on every post here.. LOL..

at the end of the day, no matter what you say it wont help solve global warming..

o dear, like so proud of being white.. golly.. i hope your mom will be proud of you....

in fact my paws are so big for this key board,,, sorry again,,, it loosk so different on a big screen,,,woof.woof

i see someone has been shaking your cage again... really we dont care what you call us in your jungle talk, the proof is in the pudding as we say,, get back in your cage dear...do you want somemore nuts on that icecream...

i wonder if stitch or the dog got out of the cage or case? seriously Drover, is it a cage or a case?

Mike is counting your posts. You exceeded the average of 11+ post per day! Lol!

indeed! This is a hopeless case! In Tagalog, we call this guy "HAMBOG".

"10 time more then you.." What kind of English is that?

DD, your signature explained it all. What can I say more?

so tell me why do they get 10 time more then you when all they do is sit on facebook all day at school..... so why do they again...

DD, you are fully aware of the reasons why the Australians here are getting good salary more than I am. I will leave it to you.

.....................................againn its Not YOUR fault YOU (was)were born white and from the lucky country downunder,

lol may be they are hired by the same raise "uneducated". :)

Where the hell are you really from again.

Why is it that when pinos talk about a man his sex changes from a he to she to he back to she again when they talk,, yes good english,, high level... yes you got me there mariecor ... it must kill you these unducated white australians are working here getting good salary,,, wow,, how that must hurt

last heard Australia is included as an Asian country :)

"....................againn its Not my fault i was born white and from the lucky country downunder"

oh my gush... I am lucky. I wasn't born down under. Even though, I'm not good in proper english, I have a proper attitude.

Thanks God...

what i said was,, they only want native english speakers,, they dont want their kids to be using terms like,, Yesterday night,, or parking at rear... you seam to use that easy and you say english is your second..PLZ.. and yes sorry my ipad is small and my eyes not too good for my english and gramma.. pinos are the worst i have heard in english, Indians have a better understanding and command of the english then pinos,, no not sorry to say,,,

How about your English DD? Look at your spelling - salarys (salaries), there (their), evenn(even). How about this? - "but what has that got to do with this." I have read a lot of threads where I read your comments and I noticed your poor English grammar and spelling. OMG DD! Are you not ashame even to your self? If you want others to be good, make yourself better first!

I understand that most of the English schools required "only native English." I don't have any objection with this. If I am the parent of the student, I prefer to send my child in a school where he/ she could learn the proper English accent and grammar.

Somebody in this thread mentioned about the assistant teachers who pronounced "finished" as "pinished." Well, she is right. There are some Filipina/no that pronounced f as p. I myself is laughing about it. However, there are lots of Filipino who are also good in English (verbal/written) as it is our second language and there are plenty of good schools, especially the private ones in Philippines which are teaching correct English.

Maybe because of the low salarys they pay,, hell and the training they give there staff is very high,, they evenn teach them accents,,, but what has that got to do with this ,,,, and WTF is yesterday night, and parking at backside all about,, thats not english .. pls

drovers dog..

most call centers are in the Philippines and India..

WISDOM is not base on good English, NOT AT ALL..

If people cant speak basic english correctly, then why are they here.. ?? To earn and feed their family.. right? So lets not talk about others demerits. Even we are not perfect. But when some one is pin pointing at you, Shoot back!! .. if you think they are not the correct people to judge you !!!!!

THey are not born as first english speakers,, my god have you not heard the pinos talk at a school here??? thats not english , Yesterday Night????

Peter, spot on!!! Why do people get upset!! Ironically, though in Qatar because there is a shortgage of native english speakers, schools are often hiring native english people without any educational background/degrees, simply because they are white and English is their first language. I dont know whats scarier, that or a qualified teacher who isnt a native english speaker.

To the op, Peter is correct in pointing out that for the kind of schools that you have mentioned you need to speak good English, irrespective of the subject you teach , this has got nothing to with racism but a simple logic, I am an Asian parent with a child in a British school, since his medium of learning is English, I would rather he learned it from an Native Speaker, just like I want him to know his mothertong just as a 'Native Speaker' .

I too, agree with skittles and it has nothing to do with her being blond. I just agree with her

giggity giggity goo.

It's really simple. If a teacher wants to work in a Western school like Doha College, the American school, Dess or Compass , the teacher must speak proper English.

yaa, skittles you r right...so here is the answer.. finally..

don't take it personal, but sometimes the accent is really really difficult to understand. That being said they are looking for teachers that will help the students get used to "native english" simply because most of these students are studying english as a second language, and I think native speakers do help kids get used to the SPEED of the language as well as the slang.

Grammatical mistakes!! uhff.. No one in this world is perfect Peter. Even you are not so good in English. While you're judging a person, is everyone is judged every time in all our actions and words. just like one scientist said, the mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies are equal, opposite and collinear. We know judgment is not motion but logic tells that every time in our life, even away from people, somebody (or more people), are thinking something about us, and it's judgment.someone else judging you?

Hope my grammar is correct here. I don't want to be over confident like some one else here.

Why we matter english while spanish don't use it oftenly?

LP: I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he's saying, recently he did something naughty and before I said anything, he turned to me and said "mummy, don't spank me"...I was mortified he knew what spank means, I asked him and he told me the teacher said it. He used to go to a well known British nursery! Absolutely shocking...

I like your comments LINCOLNPIRATE.The last one really made me smile atleast it did,nt mean to hurt someone.Take Care

Maybe he wants to say "punish"?

Lots of people can speak English but they get the pronunciation incorrect. I'm still trying to teach my son the word finish, he is saying pinish thanks to the teaching assistants from his class last term....personally I would prefer someone from the UK to teach my son. He will eventually settle back there and I don't want him being mocked for his accent or the way he pronounces words.

Dear Zazel my language sucks that,s what u said ok fine !What about you!YOU don't even have a language. We r from different nationalities and cultures we might have difference of opinions.We may have different dialects based upon social,cultural and educational backgrounds but it does,nt give anybody a right to disrespect others.YOU may argue with others without making them feel down.I appologise if i hurt anybody in this respect.Nobody is perfect can,t be.We all need to learn respecting each other to make this world a better place.I take everyones comments in apositive manner they will help me to learn more and struggle more to prove myself atleast as a good humanbeing if not anyone else.BEST WISHES FOR ALL

A person with a Master Degree in whatever should have a brain and should know how to use it. Therefore he should be able to cope with any task.

Of course I h,ve heard Asians speaking English with complete command over the language.I dont understand why you are being so prejudice even native speakers may have wrong pronunciation,weak vocabulary and may be unaware of grammar rules and it can be with a speaker of any language.

by the way who wants to be a language teacher without having an adequate knowledge in particular field.Other subjects if taught in English require a certain level of understanding but for sure language teacher might not be suitable for teaching Maths,General science,History or Geography.A person having degree in social sciences can play a better role in these fields with special courses in International Primary Education.

She doesn’t need to be a Shakespeare to teach math ‘n sci to kids. ‘ve seen French ‘n Spanish school teachers here in Doha with the most horrible English language skills. Both written and spoken.

Some Asians though not all.Actually I know many Asians who speak English so eloquently and well they are often mistaken to be native English speakers by native English speakers themselves.Though it must be said most of us have had native English speaking teachers at one time or another and of course all those foreign TV shows have been of great use too..Many Asian parents specifically want their kids to watch BBC for the sole purpose of bettering their English!

On a funny note my cousin who now resides in Australia and is a known stand up comedian is often teased by Aussies with "You are from Sri Lanka?? But you speak English so well...I thought all Sri Lankans speak like Sanath Jayasuriya!"

now I know why many Americans and British go to MAnila to learn PROPER English!

To each his own.

Or maybe we should talk about being engineers, how many white or western engineers are good compared to Asians?

I feel hurt cos my teachers were not english speakers these might be the reason why my english is very bad, but some how my earnings are not from my speaking abilities....

They may know the words but the dont know the meanings,,,, their english sucks so much...... and we want our children learning the right english happy to say,,

Let me add something in favor of Peter's arguments: I taught science teachers English, because they were not able to explain the scientific stuff in English! Unfortunately the SEC has decided wisely (?) that science in Independent Schools has to be taught in English. The language level of these teachers simply is horrifying. Whatever my nationality may be, I would NOT send my children to any of these schools!

i agree with this statement..

for language teacher excellent english is a must.. but in teaching other subjects like math talking good english dont mean your are good in teaching math..

it would be perfect though if he does have both.

native speakers are so lucky, they hear and use english language ryt after they were born. why i am telling this??

most asians that grew up and live in the UK and US speak your laguage fairly.. becoz they hear and use it ryt after birth aswell..

My kids's class teacher can't string two words together without making a mistake ! I wonder how she got selected as a class teacher. The only silver lining is that she's not a language teacher. But unfortunately the kids pick up a lot from their teachers and I can see the change in my kids vocabulary. Would u like your kids to be taught by somebody who can't speak English and still expect to pay through your nose for their education?

I am with Peter.

Fariha your language sucks....please stay away from teaching.

Truth hurts especially if you're on the receiving end. :)

Ok, so asking that my kid comes home from school not saying words like "Saloon, Nearing, and asking questions that sound like a statement" is now considered racist.

Wow....

I am an engineer, maybe i should start prescribing drugs to people.. what da hell.. I know how Panadol works!!!!

Having helped set-up a school in Saudi, I realised that most parents preferred native English speakers , since they are usually white and thus regarded as prestigious for the image of the establishment.

Perhaps it's the same in Qatar :o)

Mr. Peter, once I had a professional course at Berlitz...in the beginning they assigned us a teacher with poor skills of teaching. Her grammar and spellings were so pathetic. After a few feedback, they realized it and within a couple of classes they replaced her with a good one.

all native are not capable to teach and speak properly.

And yes, you also show your previous comments to any good native speaker :)

Thanks Ghazala this world still seems good with people like you.Its not the comment or advice the way its given matters.Take care

I think Peter was correct in making his initial statement and I for one agree with his views.

It was said politely and he raised valid points.

He also stated that he wasn't wanting to put anyone down which you obviously either didn't read or appreciate.

And yes, speaking English like a native is not a matter of life and death to us...

Maybe? Ofcourse you don't seem to belong to this planet.Please take some time out and check around your nearest institutions and make sure all the primary teachers are holding masters degree in a subject they are teaching?For early years masters degree holders are not important there are some specific courses.Most important of all getting masters degree will not make u a good teacher'having knowledge is somethingelse and delivering it to others in an appropriate manner especially to young children is another thing.Maybe you could give me some language lessons and i can give you some on" having positive attitude towards others"as it is of my interest

being sociologist.

so you have masters in social sciences and you want to be teaching MATH, Science, History, Geography?

lol.. OK, Maybe I am not from this planet. But usually, you need to have masters in the topic you want to teach even for kids.

But again, i guess this is where the price of tuition differs between various institutions.

Now I know better ;)

Good luck!!

Thanks for your response.I have clearly mentioned my qualification as masters in social sciences and I have experience in teaching general subjects maths science and history and geography.Idid not show any intentions of becoming a language teacher of course this is my secondary language and Iam still picking up the language as there is always room for improvement.Native English person can be an excellent language teacher but he or she might not prove himorherself in other subjects.Speaking English does not make someone a good teacher.I

completely agree with u language is very important not only english every language.nobody is intentionally trying to kill your language .what about Americans when they speak english is,nt it killing?

Truth hurts ghazalz.

I'd rather not be considered a gentleman and state facts than be considered one and Lie to myself and others.

PeterGrifin, I wish, English excellence could help in the making of a gentleman also :)

If your husband is getting less than 10K...You'll have to decide for a Pakistani school for sure.

You didn't mention your child's age and grade.

Sorry fariha, but I'm not in the favor of any Indian schools for any Pakistani students here in the early/ primary/stage.

dear ghazala i think i can take some advises from u about

moving to qatar.right now my kids are studying n one of the best schools of lahore its Lahore Grammer.can u advice m some good reasonable school for my kids as well .i,ve come to know schooling is very expensive in qatar,what about indian idle school someone told my husband about it.it would be a better decision to move to doha as my husband is already there but would it b possible to maintain the quality of life which my kids are having here in pakistan.my husband is talking not more than10,000QR.Thatswhy i m also interested in doing job.waiting for ur advice

I will tell you why.

When people pay a lot of money to allow their kids learn correct English, they expect their children to be taught correct English. I am not judging you, but even a small paragraph that you wrote has more than 10 mistakes. How do you expect to teach kids, where some of them have English speaking parents when you don't know enough?

What is enough for you is not close to being enough for their standards. I am sorry and I am not trying to put you down. It is just not normal how English language is being murdered in here (It starts from business sign boards, to just newly invented words that English people themselves can't relate to)

On top of it, you guys want to teach kids English? Like seriously, what is going on?

There was another topic Earlier for a girl "Sarah76". She has NO CLUE about English language, yet she wants to teach English.

How would you feel about someone teaching your kids your own native language wrong?

For international private schools: If you have some experience along with a professional degree then you're eligible for a post of teacher otherwise be prepare to take an assistant's place...

For Pakistani schools: As you are holding a Masters degree, you may try your luck for the post of a lecturer/Senior/Junior teacher.

THANKS FOR UR QUICK RESPONSE.can you give me some information about the mentioned schools.Private schools also demand certified teachers .are all the teachers really certified can u inform me about some schools with good healthy positive atmosphere.

fariha, no, that's not so...If a school needs a teacher of your subject/subjects, it can hire after judging you as it's the part of recruitment formalities.

Native English teachers are required in case of teaching English.

my friend also working as assistant teacher and she gets 1500QR only while most of the time she's doing the teacher work. Come firmly as teacher if you don't want to live miserable here.

Accent do why they prefer english natives......