Logical Debate - Evolution
Age of the universe - 13.798 billion years say 13.8 billion years.
Age of the Earth 4.54 billion years
Origin of life Prokaryotic or Abiogenesis existed at least 3.5 billion years ago
Homo habilis lived 2.33 to 1.4 million ago.
Homo erectus lived 1.3 to 1.8 million years ago
Homo sapiens begin around 90,000 years ago
Humans share the planet with as many as 8.7 million different forms of life , so many we still dont know and so many might have already died without our knowledge.
Let us consider only what we know
So 8.7 million species in 3.5 billion years
As an average one new species in every 402.3 years and we claim that we know very little hence this 402.3 will go lesser and lesser.
If it is just Evolution, then history would have 100s and 1000s of evidences but we dont have it.
Origin of life - Big question ignored by many.
creation history is religious history, not scientific history.
there is God, the (energy from the) big bang.
there you go, creation and evolution in one.
energy from the)BIG BANG created everything in the universe.
that is God for you. energy is God.
SA the physical laws of the universe exist with or without human symbols designated for them
make sense with numbers or without numbers?
Thelonius ignored the importance of numbers
http://www.qatarliving.com/node/17410511
And here he is using the numbers!!
ha ha... this thread is turning out to be the best. I don't want to call people uneducated but there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding and no comprehension of the ideas and topics being discussed. Maybe there abilities are in other areas but education is lacking in basic sciences.
because for you numbers are not important as you wrote in other threads, if you want to use numbers to prove something then this means that numbers are important and have meaning, so why on the other thread you say numbers have no values?
Thelonius you are obviously contradicting your self!!
I did not say 1 kg is different in earth and any other place.
I said 1 kg is different, 1 TR is different. If you are taking a wrong meaning, It is not my mistake but it is great to know you are jumping into conclusions so easily.
We have units of measurements. I hope you understand what measurement is. It involves the size, length, or amount of something, without knowing something you can't measure unless you assume. We still don't know the size of the universe and the what these black holes are.
Regarding your "But a 'One' is a One, here and in every corner of the universe."
1 kg is different , 1 TR is different, there might be one in the universe which we can't even measure as we really not sure about the boundary of the universe or the black holes . Hence mathematics is a failure without assumption.
LLR he is right, with mathematics it is absolute, with language we can all argue over the meanings. Look at books written thousands of years ago, we cannot as a species agree on what the meaning is.
You did say that you can do a lecture about the Big Bang without a creator.
I hope you are good in remembering your own words, at least.
Please keep the discussion about "The Evolution", logical only. We can discuss about something came from nothing in another thread. Thank you for understanding.
One step at a time.
Everything necessary in the world could be explained in a normal language.
Anyway I know TheLonius, at the end you will assume something as nothing and I will assume it as something existed already and uncreated.
Mathematics :)) again assumptions.
good luck for you
and his life and what are the changes, I am sure many will find it very interesting.
Explain it TheLonius.
I have a advised you to read about Mostafa Mahmoud
Evolution is best understood as an anti-God origins myth, attempting to explain man's existence without a Creator or maybe Richard Dawkins wants to portray it irrationally.
Creation+Evolution fills all these gaps.
RIP, very good point. I think I read more than 98% of the documented species are now extinct. Estimates of the number of major mass extinctions in the last 540 million years range from as few as five to more than twenty. It is not really necessary that evolutionary process is the reason for the extinction. Extinction from creationist point of view is also rational.
After all of these data available we still could not able to fill the important gaps with evidences to make a proper flow chart with all the required intermediate forms.
Why is science always divided into theists and atheists?
The Director of the Vatican Observatory Father George Coyne has some very insightful comments about evolution, and the stupidity of the Intelligent Design theory.
Evolution and Creationism can be complementary, not exclusive, in the eyes of most of the world's religious followers.
Anyway a strange person to quote. Hoyle was an atheists who promoted the theory of panspermia, not a God created Earth.
Lets wiki you back SA, this has been debunked already....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkyard_tornado
Over 95% of the species that have ever existed on earth are extinct. Either it's God killing all those life forms or they lost out in the evolutionary race.
Murdering God or natural selection? Take your pick
"The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein"
Read more:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Fred_Hoyle
Does the above make sense?
LLR Thanks for sharing logical debate and I wud agree with your comments hope any other have doubts will clear it here
congratulations
Why does it have to be one or the other?
Sure there can be creation and evolution.
They smoke !
Radius, Interesting. Why did you ask that?
For your information, They say man and the apes came from a hypothetical ape-like ancestor, the evidence for which has not yet been discovered.
LLR which one was created first, Humans or Apes?
Gypsy, Edited after you erased your comment.
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KR
What is wrong if I say both ape and humans were created from the same factory?
all of the figures mentioned are just assumption of the scientist. :)
These are the indirect evidences of evolution:
1.Similarity in features and behavioural traits in apes and humans.
2.Similarities in their DNA.
3.Availability of fossils that prove the evolutionary changes.
4.Understanding of genetic mutation by scientists.
5.Experiments on mitochondrial DNA to show all human beings originated from central Africa.
6.Tracking down of culture and origin of languages.
What else do you need to believe unless you have decided you will not budge from the adam and eve anecdote.
No.
I am talking about the number of species. So far we know only 8.7 million and of course we all agree that there are many still we dont know. If we know it is going to be 8.7m+ hence the 402.3 should go down as the quotient decreases if the divisor or denominator goes up.
TheLonius, I think what I posted is acceptable by many, if you dont accept you can give us the figures you think as more authentic.
It supports that there is no evolution at all when it comes to people or human beings, and probably the same for other species.
a good thread and debate if the discussion continued in a controlled and civilized pattern.
We have lots of evidence for previous species that existed and for evolution.
How did all those fossils get in the ground? Did someone plant them there as a trick?
For the origin of life itself that is a different question from the accepted mechanism of evolution.
The answer currently is we just don't know at the moment, we have a few theories or ideas but nothing is certain. However that is ok, we don't need to fill the gaps with fairies and magicans we can keep looking for the answers.
I meant Homo sapiens with the modern human beings.