Hey Brit sorry missed your reply; in the midst of a great seaside vacation with family but still can't stay away from Qatar and ql lol... Hey I feel we're talking about different aspects of the same thing...i fully agree with you there's devout Muslims in the West and its much harder for them and requires an additional measure of devotion and may god accept their worship... But my point is about how well religion and culture mix... Not just me, it's the way of the world right now to mix religion and culture...i feel the lines have been blurred into obscurity... Most folks bias against a culture often spills over into that culture's predominant religion and vice versa... Most westerners think the abaya and full black veil is an islam thing when its actually cultural... Many Muslims think the Christian faith itself is messed up in allowing pork and alcohol and fornication when in fact Christianity clearly forbids it and its the culture that has made it acceptable. So yes, if I'm inadvertently mixing the two, you'll have to excuse me and take it as a sign of the times we live in... Just discussing Brit, not arguing; I like and respect you enough to not do that :-)