instead, and the Nokia baldrick mentioned. I boycott Nokia though :) The IPod Touch 2G does everything the IPhone can, 'cept it's not a phone and doesn't have a camera. It's got sick apple wi-fi, killer apps, same 533Mhz. processor etc... If it's the apps you're after, I don't see the point hassling yourself. I redsn0w-ed mine, Cydia works fine :)