Its like this....most of you guys seems want to talk about sex more openly, but the limitation prevents, for example, like in this open forum. Thats where the problem is and will ever is. Admmitedly, we are all ashame. Tell me how many of you are willing to walk the street naked versus how many will appreciate to accept the fact of life ..or to condemmed that this is insane and not allowed in any religion? In any human progress dilemma, its like taking one step forward, and two steps backward....cheers