yes brother timtan, i am copy pasting the words of brother plato in italic font, LOLZ.
"i know the answer, so i just limit myself to make you same questions to make you think because you'll find the reply on your own mind.Because i don't belive in Paradise/Hell, or even in evil, i don't see why shouldn't both their physicall bodies rest in same place, Sister Teresa spirit will be nearer from becoming on of God's angels that Hitler's spirit. Just like when you go to school, you study to get your diploma right? See the spirits life just like they were at a school whoose main purpose is turning them into angels, to pass to the next level you must reborn with a body that will try to deceive you but the stronger is the soul the harder will be the proofs it has to pass by."
Wow, so much for human reasoning! What you have mentioned sound like a fairy tale! When we finish school, does life end? No we continue our studies and MOVE ON to the next phase.
But according to you, the good people become angels and the bad people…..they don’t become angels?
Really? Is this your theory?
First of all, can you prove to me angels exist. I have never seen an angel, spoken to one or even touched one.
but we belive in angels only because our revealtion holy book said so, we belive this book is from GOD,simply this reasoning enough for us.
There is no scientific proof that they exist or any human reasoning why they ever would need to exist, so how did you even consider that they exist.
Is this perhaps something you watched on tv?...
So tell me, it seems like you believe in re-incarnation?!
"Who do you want to reply to it, my body or my soul?
My body will say that God isn't just for allowing that man to have a "good and happy life" and would want to avenge the death, but my soul says that everything happens for a reason, if God decided to call my son's to His presence than it may mean that my son's soul is 1 step closer to God, is it that bad?”
Again, another fairy tale
How do you know the soul exists? It makes no sense that it does nor can we prove it scientifically or with reasoning.
Second, everything happens for a reason? Really? And how did you come up with that? How could you possibly have reasoned that out? So you would sit next to your son’s death bed and tell him ‘everything happens for a reason?’
Again, this is NOT from human reasoning but from religion, which you must have learnt from your TV!
Closer to God? Tell me, What does your God look like? Where is He? Who is He? And Why would He create things then kill them?! if u use any revealtion books to answer this Qs clearly proves that u r not a diest, but a muslim more or less!, masha allah.
“Regarding situation in Africa, my body doesn't accept such situation, but my soul says that those souls suffering all that will be 1 step closer to God if they manage to pass the test. Justice in animals: I may sound cruel with what i'm about to say but that's how an impartial being would see the things, 1 ant's life is as important as a human's or a plant's life, to God, all life is important, for him to kill thousands of ants or thousands of humans has the same value, he wont punish none because it's each being "nature".”
Test? Wow? Where did you get that from? So to you, seeing someone suffering is a test? This is your human reasoning? Test for……
Again with this ‘nature’? Who is this ‘nature’?
“I didn't created the universe, and as you say God has infinite knowledge so why he asks humans to work on His name?”
He doesn’t ask people to do things in His name, He tells people to do the things they do whilst in His remembrance. So, for example, Before we eat, we start in the name of God. This is part of our worship and is our purpose of creation.
"As i stated previouslly, Nature is our teacher, remember that Man leurned to use fire without any other teacher beside the physic laws of Nature, can't be too specific because i don't know much about physics."
Again, you haven’t proved that ‘nature’ exists or even what it is.
And again, you watch too many cartoons. Do you actually believe in things like cavemen? I hope you know that Evolution is baseless and any paints they made of so called cavemen were fictional. Perhaps they thought their older generations looked like apes, but we believe we were always humans, as science tells us.
And as for fire, its very likely God taught adam how to make fire. It’s very easy and doesn’t take a genius.
“Regarding Moses, don't you feal that a God that can't release His own people by himself but that imposes to that People to obey his laws sounds fake? Once again these kind of contradictions are the ones that make us racionalize and say that the people who wrote the "revelation" books have misunderstood some messages from God's messengers.”
No, I don’t feel this because its nonsense.
Because you have no knowledge of what happened, you have jumped to foolish assumptions.
God sent MANY messengers to Jews and told them to be firm in their belief. But they disobeyed him and He let them get punished. THEN they begged him for help and they ALWAYS asked for Messengers as they wanted leaders! (refer to the story of David and Goliath!)
Even with moses, they jews actually built and started worshipping a golden calf!! And even with all the common sense, they still were stupid enough to do that! Even when God saved them, they turned their worship to created things.
God has always imposed His laws on us. Is gravity not one of His laws?! and is it not His right to do so? Are we here to say what God can and cannot do?
“Who said we don't live forever? Only our bodies die not our soul. We spend some years in this world as a test for our soul to continue evolving to become one of God's angels.”
Even the word ‘angel’ where did you get it from?? I wont repeat my argument above. (it again an evident that u r not a diest like coelacanth brother who perfeclty belive in reasoning but u r more or less a true muslim, masha allah!
“Exactly, you are reasoning now, remember that you said that "Prophet Jesus, Jews at that time had great knowledge in Medicine. They cured broken bones and the people were amazed by this. Thus, jesus's miracles revolved around healing, eg healing the blind, the leaper, etc.", how many medics have ressurected the death? Lazarus was a friend of Jesus of Nazareth”
Again, Lazarus’s resurrection is in the bible and we don’t necessarily believe it. Our scholars have said that infact the jews tested Jesus and said we aren’t impressed with anyone who died now and you resurrected him. They wanted someone who died some time back and then Jesus resurrected one of the son’s of Noah!!
Regardless, it’s not WHO jesus resurrects, but the fact he did so, by God’s will. It was just to prove he was not an imposter and was a real messenger.
“We could say that Nature is God. What some people think doesn't mean they were correct all the time, just like people always remember about the holly books being so old and needing to be updated, the same has happened with Human knowledge, somethings that were true some years ago are now lies after new discoveries by science.”
The Qur’aan doesn’t need updating, its countless consistant miracles justifies it and countless testimonials including it is perfectly preserved without attacking human hands and gaurded its authenticty and divinity. I have no authority to claim updation for another revealation books like bible. Because it edited and updated in nicea council already and have so many versions right now, so we can find so many scientific errors in it. You ‘could’ say nature is God? Is it because you don’t actually know?
“Remember that only in the 20th century that kind of mentalitty started to change, but previouslly it were the religious scolars that had those positions, remember that arabs were already slaving people from black africa even before europeans arrive to Africa and they had the same idea that black people were inferior to them, finnally that mentality is almost over and people today don't see them as a different race, after all we are all humans.”
Again, you watch too much TV!
Arabs would take ALL kinds of slaves. Slaves from black races, white races, etc. At the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) there were such slaves and they were freed eventually! Infact, one of these slaves, Salman, was a Persian! Who had a massive empire at that time. Anyway, there is no connection between Arabs and Muslims. Islaam is universal and the laws of Islaam were set in place in such a way to destroy slavery. First by giving them rights and respect, then freeing them in ways that involved doing good deeds. This had such an impact that many slaves eventually became scholars and some, even when freed, stayed with their Muslim masters (although not as slaves).
Islaam has a strict policy against racism. God is very clear about this in the Qur’aan and this was revealed BEFORE Darwin and co. Have you not seen the Muslims standing in line in prayer? or the Pilgrimage? This is when Malcom X really saw brotherhood!
“The question you refer, as you may have not noticed, i refered a muslim familly belonging to Al-Qaeda (Bin Laden organization) and not a regular muslim family, guess this will help you to understand were you misinterpreted what i said, if needed, read again,”
If this is not a ‘regular’ muslim family, then why refer to it? You dug yourself a grave and now you’re trying to come out?
“So, shouldn't i feal offended when you call such monster a Deist? Are the Zionists deists or jews? Bush is christan, not a deist.”
Why would you feel offended? Ok, perhaps I will explain in more detail: Bush believed (using his tiny reasoning) that it was right to invade Iraq. Everyone said no! and there is no scriptural backing for his actions or any religious. Thus he acted on his small intellect and now regrets it.
Even if they are not diest by name, their methodolygy (of using the human ‘reasoning’) is there and hence I used it as an example.
It seems like this conversation will never end. You are not a true diest. It’s not logical for someone to believe in things like angels, souls, nature, etc.
Dont you see, even when you think you are using your own reasoning, you have still come back to what is mentioned in religion only (i.e. things like angels and souls). I am calling you a muslim because a christian will not belive in oneness of GOD, but belive in trinity and jesus as God,&God's son,(naudubillah!) also they do not recognize prophet muhammed even he is in their holy Book but idol worship the statues of their messenger, apostles and mother marry.
and Allaah knows best that you are a true muslim who belives in the oneness of ALLAH and HIS messengers Jesus, Moses, Muhammed.
so its the time to say your bride, "honey call me Ayman right now, because i am already converted.!", masha allah.
May ALLAH ALMIGHTY Bless You and your family, portugal.
aameen
yes brother timtan, i am copy pasting the words of brother plato in italic font, LOLZ.
"i know the answer, so i just limit myself to make you same questions to make you think because you'll find the reply on your own mind.Because i don't belive in Paradise/Hell, or even in evil, i don't see why shouldn't both their physicall bodies rest in same place, Sister Teresa spirit will be nearer from becoming on of God's angels that Hitler's spirit. Just like when you go to school, you study to get your diploma right? See the spirits life just like they were at a school whoose main purpose is turning them into angels, to pass to the next level you must reborn with a body that will try to deceive you but the stronger is the soul the harder will be the proofs it has to pass by."
Wow, so much for human reasoning! What you have mentioned sound like a fairy tale! When we finish school, does life end? No we continue our studies and MOVE ON to the next phase.
But according to you, the good people become angels and the bad people…..they don’t become angels?
Really? Is this your theory?
First of all, can you prove to me angels exist. I have never seen an angel, spoken to one or even touched one.
but we belive in angels only because our revealtion holy book said so, we belive this book is from GOD,simply this reasoning enough for us.
There is no scientific proof that they exist or any human reasoning why they ever would need to exist, so how did you even consider that they exist.
Is this perhaps something you watched on tv?...
So tell me, it seems like you believe in re-incarnation?!
"Who do you want to reply to it, my body or my soul?
My body will say that God isn't just for allowing that man to have a "good and happy life" and would want to avenge the death, but my soul says that everything happens for a reason, if God decided to call my son's to His presence than it may mean that my son's soul is 1 step closer to God, is it that bad?”
Again, another fairy tale
How do you know the soul exists? It makes no sense that it does nor can we prove it scientifically or with reasoning.
Second, everything happens for a reason? Really? And how did you come up with that? How could you possibly have reasoned that out? So you would sit next to your son’s death bed and tell him ‘everything happens for a reason?’
Again, this is NOT from human reasoning but from religion, which you must have learnt from your TV!
Closer to God? Tell me, What does your God look like? Where is He? Who is He? And Why would He create things then kill them?! if u use any revealtion books to answer this Qs clearly proves that u r not a diest, but a muslim more or less!, masha allah.
“Regarding situation in Africa, my body doesn't accept such situation, but my soul says that those souls suffering all that will be 1 step closer to God if they manage to pass the test. Justice in animals: I may sound cruel with what i'm about to say but that's how an impartial being would see the things, 1 ant's life is as important as a human's or a plant's life, to God, all life is important, for him to kill thousands of ants or thousands of humans has the same value, he wont punish none because it's each being "nature".”
Test? Wow? Where did you get that from? So to you, seeing someone suffering is a test? This is your human reasoning? Test for……
Again with this ‘nature’? Who is this ‘nature’?
“I didn't created the universe, and as you say God has infinite knowledge so why he asks humans to work on His name?”
He doesn’t ask people to do things in His name, He tells people to do the things they do whilst in His remembrance. So, for example, Before we eat, we start in the name of God. This is part of our worship and is our purpose of creation.
"As i stated previouslly, Nature is our teacher, remember that Man leurned to use fire without any other teacher beside the physic laws of Nature, can't be too specific because i don't know much about physics."
Again, you haven’t proved that ‘nature’ exists or even what it is.
And again, you watch too many cartoons. Do you actually believe in things like cavemen? I hope you know that Evolution is baseless and any paints they made of so called cavemen were fictional. Perhaps they thought their older generations looked like apes, but we believe we were always humans, as science tells us.
And as for fire, its very likely God taught adam how to make fire. It’s very easy and doesn’t take a genius.
“Regarding Moses, don't you feal that a God that can't release His own people by himself but that imposes to that People to obey his laws sounds fake? Once again these kind of contradictions are the ones that make us racionalize and say that the people who wrote the "revelation" books have misunderstood some messages from God's messengers.”
No, I don’t feel this because its nonsense.
Because you have no knowledge of what happened, you have jumped to foolish assumptions.
God sent MANY messengers to Jews and told them to be firm in their belief. But they disobeyed him and He let them get punished. THEN they begged him for help and they ALWAYS asked for Messengers as they wanted leaders! (refer to the story of David and Goliath!)
Even with moses, they jews actually built and started worshipping a golden calf!! And even with all the common sense, they still were stupid enough to do that! Even when God saved them, they turned their worship to created things.
God has always imposed His laws on us. Is gravity not one of His laws?! and is it not His right to do so? Are we here to say what God can and cannot do?
“Who said we don't live forever? Only our bodies die not our soul. We spend some years in this world as a test for our soul to continue evolving to become one of God's angels.”
Even the word ‘angel’ where did you get it from?? I wont repeat my argument above. (it again an evident that u r not a diest like coelacanth brother who perfeclty belive in reasoning but u r more or less a true muslim, masha allah!
“Exactly, you are reasoning now, remember that you said that "Prophet Jesus, Jews at that time had great knowledge in Medicine. They cured broken bones and the people were amazed by this. Thus, jesus's miracles revolved around healing, eg healing the blind, the leaper, etc.", how many medics have ressurected the death? Lazarus was a friend of Jesus of Nazareth”
Again, Lazarus’s resurrection is in the bible and we don’t necessarily believe it. Our scholars have said that infact the jews tested Jesus and said we aren’t impressed with anyone who died now and you resurrected him. They wanted someone who died some time back and then Jesus resurrected one of the son’s of Noah!!
Regardless, it’s not WHO jesus resurrects, but the fact he did so, by God’s will. It was just to prove he was not an imposter and was a real messenger.
“We could say that Nature is God. What some people think doesn't mean they were correct all the time, just like people always remember about the holly books being so old and needing to be updated, the same has happened with Human knowledge, somethings that were true some years ago are now lies after new discoveries by science.”
The Qur’aan doesn’t need updating, its countless consistant miracles justifies it and countless testimonials including it is perfectly preserved without attacking human hands and gaurded its authenticty and divinity. I have no authority to claim updation for another revealation books like bible. Because it edited and updated in nicea council already and have so many versions right now, so we can find so many scientific errors in it. You ‘could’ say nature is God? Is it because you don’t actually know?
“Remember that only in the 20th century that kind of mentalitty started to change, but previouslly it were the religious scolars that had those positions, remember that arabs were already slaving people from black africa even before europeans arrive to Africa and they had the same idea that black people were inferior to them, finnally that mentality is almost over and people today don't see them as a different race, after all we are all humans.”
Again, you watch too much TV!
Arabs would take ALL kinds of slaves. Slaves from black races, white races, etc. At the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) there were such slaves and they were freed eventually! Infact, one of these slaves, Salman, was a Persian! Who had a massive empire at that time. Anyway, there is no connection between Arabs and Muslims. Islaam is universal and the laws of Islaam were set in place in such a way to destroy slavery. First by giving them rights and respect, then freeing them in ways that involved doing good deeds. This had such an impact that many slaves eventually became scholars and some, even when freed, stayed with their Muslim masters (although not as slaves).
Islaam has a strict policy against racism. God is very clear about this in the Qur’aan and this was revealed BEFORE Darwin and co. Have you not seen the Muslims standing in line in prayer? or the Pilgrimage? This is when Malcom X really saw brotherhood!
“The question you refer, as you may have not noticed, i refered a muslim familly belonging to Al-Qaeda (Bin Laden organization) and not a regular muslim family, guess this will help you to understand were you misinterpreted what i said, if needed, read again,”
If this is not a ‘regular’ muslim family, then why refer to it? You dug yourself a grave and now you’re trying to come out?
“So, shouldn't i feal offended when you call such monster a Deist? Are the Zionists deists or jews? Bush is christan, not a deist.”
Why would you feel offended? Ok, perhaps I will explain in more detail: Bush believed (using his tiny reasoning) that it was right to invade Iraq. Everyone said no! and there is no scriptural backing for his actions or any religious. Thus he acted on his small intellect and now regrets it.
Even if they are not diest by name, their methodolygy (of using the human ‘reasoning’) is there and hence I used it as an example.
It seems like this conversation will never end. You are not a true diest. It’s not logical for someone to believe in things like angels, souls, nature, etc.
Dont you see, even when you think you are using your own reasoning, you have still come back to what is mentioned in religion only (i.e. things like angels and souls). I am calling you a muslim because a christian will not belive in oneness of GOD, but belive in trinity and jesus as God,&God's son,(naudubillah!) also they do not recognize prophet muhammed even he is in their holy Book but idol worship the statues of their messenger, apostles and mother marry.
and Allaah knows best that you are a true muslim who belives in the oneness of ALLAH and HIS messengers Jesus, Moses, Muhammed.
so its the time to say your bride, "honey call me Ayman right now, because i am already converted.!", masha allah.
May ALLAH ALMIGHTY Bless You and your family, portugal.
aameen
Allah akbar
Only God Can Judge Me
الله فقط يمكنه محاكمتي