The same God that created whirlwinds, volcanoes, Tsunamis, storms, etc...
As i stated before he may have created them to show us the way? Don't we all prefer to be loved than hated?
Maybe Mother Teresa is the way God wants us to be and Hitler what we shouldn't be?
this is not the answer of my Q, i have asked it because u said diest does'nt have belive in paradise and hell, now come to my Q and yet they both(teresa and hitler) end up in the same type of grave? Is God unjust as you preceive?
and please compare the posts of mine in this 7th page and the posts of u and coelacanth brother, most of my Qs are kept un answered by u comrads. May be your reasonings not works or very hard to answer them.if u wish, i will number it from 1 to beyond limit!
yes brother nice too nice, if they belive in the eixistence of GOD without seeing him like us, then they can easily belive about messengers like plato, and revealations, paradise and hell. because they both are humans like u and me. Both of them's response sounds similar to those people of Taif. They didnt deny the Messenger(peace be upon him), but they couldnt accept that he was chosen. They thought they would be better as they were wealthier, more powerful, etc etc.
Coelacanth, please be informed that Almighty will not pardon one who killed innocent people. It is very clearly stated in the Holy Qur'an. One more thing, the one who kill himself won't reach near to the heaven. So we don't think that the people who become suicide bombers and kills thousands of innocents will reach to heaven because of he claims to be Muslim. Muslim means who believes one and only Almighty and His Messengers, His Holy Books and who live a life according to the teachings and the path shown to him. I am not authorized to tell the future of people from other faith. But one thing is sure, He will not pardon the one who did SHIRK(accompany the Almighty with other so called Gods).
brother nice too nice indeed the truth!!!
brother coelacanth we have cleared about the misconceptions of sucide bombers u claimed here in this thread of Ql with the help of obvious verses from Holy Qur'an, dont u remember??? yet repeating seems that you have an ability of solomon's twistings!
plato brother, if my soul or mind is my spirit, then my reasoning for believing in uncompramised monothiesm(la ilaha illallah)and believing in messengers(like u)and revealations send by GOD are simply answered by my spirit.
brother coelacanth and plato, (the two diests pals of us)
please listen it,(and plz dont ignore it what u both did to my previous posts)i have compiled in my word document only for both of you brothers who i added as my buddy list of QL.
God isnt Biased. He is the Most Just.
God was not stupid to make us naively believe anyone who claims to have spoken to God. He gave them many signs. If you use that 'reasoning' you will see the wisdom in each and every sign. For example:
Prophet Moses, was sent to people engulfed in Magic. He went head to head against the pharoahs greatest magicians, thus God gave him miracles that made these magic tricks to be what they are..i.e. mere illusions. So much so, that even the Magicians ackowledged that Moses was saying the truth and, in the Qur'aan, they become believers and are severly threatend by crucifixion and mutilation, by the pharoah!
Prophet Jesus, Jews at that time had great knowledge in Medicine. They cured broken bones and the people were amazed by this. Thus, jesus's miracles revolved around healing, eg healing the blind, the leaper, etc.
Prophet Muhammad, Arabs are reached the peak in their Language. They were amazing and eleqouent in their poetry. Thus, The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came with the ultimate miracle, the words of God that crushed the poets words into dust! No poet could and has and will ever match the level and beauty of the Language used in the Qur'aan
There were other miracles as well, some which were more relevant to those times. But the miracle and the main sign of prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad, is the miracle of the Qur'aan. It is flawless, accurate in everyway and touches the heart of anyone who hears and reads it. Not to forget its scientific miracles and predictions!(alhamdulillah, plato brother belive in the above 3 messengers of ALLAH)
Deism is the dogma most open to problems. Many people have different ways of reasoning and who is to say one way is right? For example, if someone finds a man is beating is wife, one man reasons out that killing this man would save this woman. This is logical. However, what about the children? do you deprive them of a father?
What about the purpose of Life? Why would God create all this? Why go through so much trouble (although Creating this universe is very easy for God) and then leave it all alone?
What happens when we die? Where is the justice? You claim God is not biased, then why let some tyrannts live long lives and some good people suffer with illness such as cancer and die young?
Why did God create races? If He is Just, why not make us one colour? Isnt race one of the big problems in our world?
If God is so Sublime, Why would he create a machine and not give us the manual? I.e. why create us..our bodies.. or minds...and not give us some sort of guidance?
You actually think you use your reasoning unbiasedly?
Let us experiment:
Boy A and Boy B and put in two houses with two different families. One family is part of the KKK (Klux Klan), while the other is Muslim Family.
Boy A is from Africa and is sent to the Muslim Family, while Boy B is from England and is sent to the KKK family.
The Muslim Family teaches Boy A that race is nothing more than colour of the skin. Just as God created different colour rocks, mountains and even animals, we are just part of this variety in creation. We wouldnt say a black rock is better then a brown one, or vice versa, so why should be descriminate with humans? The reality is that the best of us are the ones who are muttaqoon (Have the greatest fear of God - i.e. Piety)
Boy B is brainwashed from Birth that Black people are the animals and scum of this world. Just as we all evolved into humans, black evolved from monkeys and stayed that way. They worship the devil and should be burnt as God wills it!
All his life he is taught this garbage.
Do you think this has no effect on him? What happens when Boy A meets Boy B in the future? Do you think he will use this reasoning to realise that Boy A is as human as he is?!
My point is that our minds are constantly filled with rubbish from our surroundings. People do things the way they think is correct, when infact, at times, they way they did it is wrong.
Hitler believed he was saving the world when he was cleansing it of Jews! That was his reasoning?! The Zionists believe Muslims are lower then them, so its find to invade and take their homes in Palestines!
You really wish to trust human reasoning? Bush believed what he did to Iraq was right! He used his 'reasoning' and now look, he is having people through shoes at him! and he himself admitted he made a mistake!
Do me a favour, go sit in an airplane and use your 'reasoning' to fly it. See how far you can get!! And dont say you need lessons! because if you believe you need a few lessons just to fly a tiny plane, then what about mankind! Would they not need a guide to live rightous lives?
It's ironic. You claim to be someone who uses reasoning, yet you are so blinded to the obvious fact that Islaam is the logical choice and that It's laws have great reasoning behind them!!
i am saying as a loving sister of u both, this the universal brotherhood! portugal-philippine-india-qatar!
wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu wa magfirathu wa aafiyathu wa barakallahu feekum fi amanillah!
The same God that created whirlwinds, volcanoes, Tsunamis, storms, etc...
As i stated before he may have created them to show us the way? Don't we all prefer to be loved than hated?
Maybe Mother Teresa is the way God wants us to be and Hitler what we shouldn't be?
this is not the answer of my Q, i have asked it because u said diest does'nt have belive in paradise and hell, now come to my Q and yet they both(teresa and hitler) end up in the same type of grave? Is God unjust as you preceive?
and please compare the posts of mine in this 7th page and the posts of u and coelacanth brother, most of my Qs are kept un answered by u comrads. May be your reasonings not works or very hard to answer them.if u wish, i will number it from 1 to beyond limit!
yes brother nice too nice, if they belive in the eixistence of GOD without seeing him like us, then they can easily belive about messengers like plato, and revealations, paradise and hell. because they both are humans like u and me. Both of them's response sounds similar to those people of Taif. They didnt deny the Messenger(peace be upon him), but they couldnt accept that he was chosen. They thought they would be better as they were wealthier, more powerful, etc etc.
Coelacanth, please be informed that Almighty will not pardon one who killed innocent people. It is very clearly stated in the Holy Qur'an. One more thing, the one who kill himself won't reach near to the heaven. So we don't think that the people who become suicide bombers and kills thousands of innocents will reach to heaven because of he claims to be Muslim. Muslim means who believes one and only Almighty and His Messengers, His Holy Books and who live a life according to the teachings and the path shown to him. I am not authorized to tell the future of people from other faith. But one thing is sure, He will not pardon the one who did SHIRK(accompany the Almighty with other so called Gods).
brother nice too nice indeed the truth!!!
brother coelacanth we have cleared about the misconceptions of sucide bombers u claimed here in this thread of Ql with the help of obvious verses from Holy Qur'an, dont u remember??? yet repeating seems that you have an ability of solomon's twistings!
plato brother, if my soul or mind is my spirit, then my reasoning for believing in uncompramised monothiesm(la ilaha illallah)and believing in messengers(like u)and revealations send by GOD are simply answered by my spirit.
brother coelacanth and plato, (the two diests pals of us)
please listen it,(and plz dont ignore it what u both did to my previous posts)i have compiled in my word document only for both of you brothers who i added as my buddy list of QL.
God isnt Biased. He is the Most Just.
God was not stupid to make us naively believe anyone who claims to have spoken to God. He gave them many signs. If you use that 'reasoning' you will see the wisdom in each and every sign. For example:
Prophet Moses, was sent to people engulfed in Magic. He went head to head against the pharoahs greatest magicians, thus God gave him miracles that made these magic tricks to be what they are..i.e. mere illusions. So much so, that even the Magicians ackowledged that Moses was saying the truth and, in the Qur'aan, they become believers and are severly threatend by crucifixion and mutilation, by the pharoah!
Prophet Jesus, Jews at that time had great knowledge in Medicine. They cured broken bones and the people were amazed by this. Thus, jesus's miracles revolved around healing, eg healing the blind, the leaper, etc.
Prophet Muhammad, Arabs are reached the peak in their Language. They were amazing and eleqouent in their poetry. Thus, The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) came with the ultimate miracle, the words of God that crushed the poets words into dust! No poet could and has and will ever match the level and beauty of the Language used in the Qur'aan
There were other miracles as well, some which were more relevant to those times. But the miracle and the main sign of prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad, is the miracle of the Qur'aan. It is flawless, accurate in everyway and touches the heart of anyone who hears and reads it. Not to forget its scientific miracles and predictions!(alhamdulillah, plato brother belive in the above 3 messengers of ALLAH)
Deism is the dogma most open to problems. Many people have different ways of reasoning and who is to say one way is right? For example, if someone finds a man is beating is wife, one man reasons out that killing this man would save this woman. This is logical. However, what about the children? do you deprive them of a father?
What about the purpose of Life? Why would God create all this? Why go through so much trouble (although Creating this universe is very easy for God) and then leave it all alone?
What happens when we die? Where is the justice? You claim God is not biased, then why let some tyrannts live long lives and some good people suffer with illness such as cancer and die young?
Why did God create races? If He is Just, why not make us one colour? Isnt race one of the big problems in our world?
If God is so Sublime, Why would he create a machine and not give us the manual? I.e. why create us..our bodies.. or minds...and not give us some sort of guidance?
You actually think you use your reasoning unbiasedly?
Let us experiment:
Boy A and Boy B and put in two houses with two different families. One family is part of the KKK (Klux Klan), while the other is Muslim Family.
Boy A is from Africa and is sent to the Muslim Family, while Boy B is from England and is sent to the KKK family.
The Muslim Family teaches Boy A that race is nothing more than colour of the skin. Just as God created different colour rocks, mountains and even animals, we are just part of this variety in creation. We wouldnt say a black rock is better then a brown one, or vice versa, so why should be descriminate with humans? The reality is that the best of us are the ones who are muttaqoon (Have the greatest fear of God - i.e. Piety)
Boy B is brainwashed from Birth that Black people are the animals and scum of this world. Just as we all evolved into humans, black evolved from monkeys and stayed that way. They worship the devil and should be burnt as God wills it!
All his life he is taught this garbage.
Do you think this has no effect on him? What happens when Boy A meets Boy B in the future? Do you think he will use this reasoning to realise that Boy A is as human as he is?!
My point is that our minds are constantly filled with rubbish from our surroundings. People do things the way they think is correct, when infact, at times, they way they did it is wrong.
Hitler believed he was saving the world when he was cleansing it of Jews! That was his reasoning?! The Zionists believe Muslims are lower then them, so its find to invade and take their homes in Palestines!
You really wish to trust human reasoning? Bush believed what he did to Iraq was right! He used his 'reasoning' and now look, he is having people through shoes at him! and he himself admitted he made a mistake!
Do me a favour, go sit in an airplane and use your 'reasoning' to fly it. See how far you can get!! And dont say you need lessons! because if you believe you need a few lessons just to fly a tiny plane, then what about mankind! Would they not need a guide to live rightous lives?
It's ironic. You claim to be someone who uses reasoning, yet you are so blinded to the obvious fact that Islaam is the logical choice and that It's laws have great reasoning behind them!!
i am saying as a loving sister of u both, this the universal brotherhood! portugal-philippine-india-qatar!
wa alaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu wa magfirathu wa aafiyathu wa barakallahu feekum fi amanillah!