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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoyJ3TqgQc4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfoWdfUt54&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wPo3zfLY4&feature=related

just see the above three parts of Bharat Verma vs Zaid Hamid. I think the discussion is some what similar to one being done in those threads.

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