Have you ever heard of the terrible things he has done?
i have read about him alot in indian news papers, can u deny he is a legend in music world?
if i am wrong, i will call his brother jeramine jackson a legend in music world, he also embraced islam.
and about their personal life, i can't say both are good.
coelcanth bro,
its interesting to read about your faith, its a new information for me that i thought diesm may be a kind of rational atheism, but i am pleased to see u believe in one GOD, u know, one GOD concept is preached by every messenger, believing in one GOD is half in islam, because half of the witness(shahada) is laa ilaha illallah (there is no GOD except the only one true GOD),
i agree with u no one have special powers, but i believe jesus(Peace be on him) will come. i think its not against to our reasonings.
and i have read "Big Bang" in your post, so i would like to give a verse from Qur'an which u may say wrote in 1500 years ago,
Allah says in the Qur’an "Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into existence?" (Qur’an 21:30).
One of the most plausible theories of the creations of the universe is the Big Bang Theory. This theory states that the universe used to be one whole mass that exploded into pieces. Moreover, the expansion theory is also mentioned in the Qur’an. Allah says "It is We who have built the universe and it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Qur’an 1:47). The expansion theory was first suggested by the general theory of relativity. It is backed up by the physics examination of the galactic spectrum. It states that the size of the universe is contatntly increasing.
what u think about it coelcanth bro?
and because of your last post, i have read all those post from first here, i read the interesting debate between u and bla bla and malabari, and i found a good manner and reasoning in your answer,
you said We believe in science
The Qur’an’s accuracy in science reaches far beyond the boundaries of biology. It explains many astronomical facts including the Big Bang Theory, the Expansion Theory, the Atom theory, and the concept of times zones
scientists such as Keith L. Moore and Maurice Bocaille. They have adopted Islam as their religion due to its scientific nature.
i have to mention 30 of christian scientists here, but time is being tight, i can't type more.
Ironically, the simple thought of religion leading scientific discoveries and complementing modern science is unheard of in the western world. In many countries such as the United States of America, the separation of church and state is a wide and deeply rooted belief. To even consider a religious book as a book of science would probably merit a few raised eyebrows. However, it is amazing how the Qur’an not only complements science, but is actually used as a tool to investigate more about science. Thus, through proving that the Qur’an holds explicit facts concerning the fields of biology, astronomy and geology, one will deduct that the Qur’an is indeed a scientific book.
i think u will read my words with a kind of reasoning patience, if u can't, i will stop writing all those here.
However, the purpose of this post is not to prove the divinty of the Qur’an. It is only to prove that the Qur’an contains factual scientific information that deems it a necessary book of science to be studied by all scientists before a thinking brother like u.
The Qur’an’s contributions to biological science, the Qur’an excels in it’s vivid description of embryology. The Qur’an describes the development of the fetus from its conception to its birth in such great detail that it would seem to have been a recollection of a great obstetric surgeon.
Allah says in the Qur’an, "He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (Qur’an 39:6). Recently, scientists have named three layers of tissue as the anterior abdominal wall, the uterine wall, and the amnicochrionic membrane (Moore, 25). The phrase veil of darkness in this context is the Arabic word Thulumat which actually means covers (it is known that when one covers something, this something is in darkness), that is the layers that cover the fetus.
The Qur’an then goes on to describe the stages of the human fetus which have only been known by scientists in the 20th century (Moore, 15). Allah says, "Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest" (Qur’an 23:13). The drop, known as nutfa in Arabic has been interpreted to be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst implanted in the uterus—a place of rest. This interpretation is also supported by another verse in the Qur’an which states "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote is that mixed drop since it is made up of the sperm and the ovum (Moore, 15). "Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure" (Qur’an 23:14). The word Alaqah in Arabic refers to this "leech-like structure." Dr. Moore thinks this to be an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus in the same exact way that a leech clings to skin. In fact, if one looks at a picture of a leech and a picture of the embryo during that phase, one will notice the strong resemblance between both creations. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium (Moore, 16). Of course since the leech-like structure can only be seen by a microscope which was not invented till the 17th century by Leewenhoek, Muhammad (PBUH) could have never fabricated such information. and our prophet is "ummi" ILLETERATE as u know.
"Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump" (Qur’an 23:14). Here, a "chewed lump" is mudgha in Arabic. Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh resulting from the somites which resemble teeth marks. The somites represent the beginnings of the vertebrae. "Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh" (Qur’an 23:14). This verse indicates that after the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This corresponds to the development of the embryo. "First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm" (Moore, 3). "Then we developed out of it another creature" (Qur’an 23:14). Before the eighth week, the embryo does not contain human features. After the eighth week, the human embryo develops the primordia of all the internal and external organs and parts. At this stage the creature is no longer called an embryo. It is now a fetus, therefore it’s "another creature." "And He gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding" (Qur’an 32:9). Dr. Moore says in his study that the primordia of the internal ears appear before the beginning of the eyes, and the brain which is the site of understanding develops last. "Then out of a piece of chewed flesh, partly formed and partly unformed" (Qur’an 22:5). This verse refers to the embryo that is composed of both differentiated and undifferentiated tissues. When the cartilage bones are differentiated, "the embroyonic connective tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiated. It later differentiates into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones" (Moore, 3). "And We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term" (Qur’an 22:5). Allah here tells the Muslims that he is the one to determine whether the embroys will remain in the uterus until full term. Dr. Moore has found out that only about 30% of zygotes that form actually develop into fetuses that survive until birth.
Additionally, the Qur’an discussed time zones centuries before the scientific "discovery" was made. People, hundreds of years ago, couldn’t travel far enough in a short time to find out about the existence of these zones. The Qur’an however, addresses this when it states, "When the Day of Judgement arrives it will all occur at an instant; and this very instant will catch some people in the day time and some at night" (Qur’an, 27:16). The word day time in Arabic, Al-Nahar is very distinct. It cannot be misinterpreted to mean anything other than the time when the sun is out. Similarly, the word night in Arabic, Al-Layl, cannot mean anything but the time when the sun is not out. The concept of time zones was discussed in the Qur’an hundreds of years ago, even though it was not understood till recently. Lastly, the existence of atoms is an old concept. For years this idea was known after being advanced by the Greek philosopher, Democritus (Miller, 5). Atoms were viewed as the smallest existing particles. However, the Qur’an challenged this fact by stating "Allah is aware of an atom’s weight . . . and even anything smaller than that" (Qur’an, 30:21). Now, modern science has discovered that this smallest unit of matter (i.e. the atom, which has all of the same properties as its element) can be split into its component parts. This is a new idea, a development of the last century yet interestingly enough, this information had already been documented in the Qur'an. Overall, the Qur’an has provided numerous facts leading to great astronomical discoveries. The fact that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, the explanation of the process of day and night, the fact that the sun moves by its own motion, that the moon does not generate its own light, the prospect of space travel; all these discoveries were already mentioned in the Qur’an hundreds of years ago (Bocaille, Celestial 4). As Sir John William Draper said in his book, The Intellectual Development of Europe, "The Muslim has left his intellectual impress on the World. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe" (Draper, 80).
Finally, the Qur’an presents geological facts dealing with mountains and archaeology that could not have been fabricated by any human lacking the technological equipment needed to prove these facts. The Qur’an states, "When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still, but they are moving, like clouds" (Qur’an, 27:88). Geologists have now proven that although mountains appear to be standing still, they are not. They are constantly moving upwards as the earth’s plates fold into each other. In addition the Qur’an describes the mountains as pegs, part of them visible, and the other is not (Qur’an, 78:7). In other words, mountains have roots. Dr. Frank Press, author of The Earth, and president of the Academy of Sciences in New Jersey wrote that mountains have roots. He wrote that they play an important role in stabilizing the earth’s crust (Haq, 1). Simultaneously, Professor Siaveda, one of the most renowned Japanese geologists states that "Mountains have roots that support the earth according to the law of Archimedes" (Hag, 2). In the Qur’an it states that Allah, "Has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you" (Qur’an, 16:15). This verse has been translated, among others in the Qur’an dealing with the subject of mountains, as substantiating the concept that mountains have roots. When Professor Siaveda encountered these verses in the Qur’an he said, "This is very mysterious, but according to these verses this is truly a remarkable book" (Haq, 7). No man could have possibly fabricated this information fourteen centuries ago. Professor Palmer, who is one of the foremost geologists in the USA and the head of the Centennial Anniversary of the American Geological Society was greatly astonished when he was presented with these scientific facts. He said, "We [the Society] look forward to a continuing dialogue on the topic of science in the Qur’an in the context of geology" (Al-Zendani, 18).
Last, but not least, in the eighty-ninth chapter of the Qur’an, Allah mentions a city called Iram. However, most historians denied the existence of this city, as there was no proof of it. However, in 1973 a city named Elba was excavated in Syria. The city was forty-three centuries old. Researchers found records in Elba’s library listing all the cities Elba had dealt with. The city of Iram was on that list. The people of Elba had done business with the people of Iram! (Miller, 1). Once again the Qur’an stood the test of time. The Qur’an being only fourteen centuries old, mentioned a city thirty centuries before its time.
In conclusion, it has been proven that the Qur’an does not only support science and the quest for new discoveries, but it has also complemented science in the initiation of the process of the experimental method. According to Dr. Karl Pearson, a famous American scientist, "The hypotheses of science are based on observed facts, which, when confirmed by criticism and experiments, are turned into laws of nature… such is the contribution of Islam to modern science" (Zahoor, Muslim Scientists and Astronomers . . . 6). The Qur’an has become a leading source in the areas of biology, astronomy and geology due to its accuracy. Overall, its consistent accuracy can only be attributed to a divine source. No human in the seventh century and many centuries following could have known this information. As Allah says in the Qur’an, "Soon will We show them Our signs in the farthest regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth" (Qur’an, 41:53).
dear all brothers and sisters of this forum,
if i wrote anything boring before u,let me know, i will stop insha allah.
Have you ever heard of the terrible things he has done?
i have read about him alot in indian news papers, can u deny he is a legend in music world?
if i am wrong, i will call his brother jeramine jackson a legend in music world, he also embraced islam.
and about their personal life, i can't say both are good.
coelcanth bro,
its interesting to read about your faith, its a new information for me that i thought diesm may be a kind of rational atheism, but i am pleased to see u believe in one GOD, u know, one GOD concept is preached by every messenger, believing in one GOD is half in islam, because half of the witness(shahada) is laa ilaha illallah (there is no GOD except the only one true GOD),
i agree with u no one have special powers, but i believe jesus(Peace be on him) will come. i think its not against to our reasonings.
and i have read "Big Bang" in your post, so i would like to give a verse from Qur'an which u may say wrote in 1500 years ago,
Allah says in the Qur’an "Do the unbelievers not realize that the heaven and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into existence?" (Qur’an 21:30).
One of the most plausible theories of the creations of the universe is the Big Bang Theory. This theory states that the universe used to be one whole mass that exploded into pieces. Moreover, the expansion theory is also mentioned in the Qur’an. Allah says "It is We who have built the universe and it is We who are steadily expanding it" (Qur’an 1:47). The expansion theory was first suggested by the general theory of relativity. It is backed up by the physics examination of the galactic spectrum. It states that the size of the universe is contatntly increasing.
what u think about it coelcanth bro?
and because of your last post, i have read all those post from first here, i read the interesting debate between u and bla bla and malabari, and i found a good manner and reasoning in your answer,
you said We believe in science
The Qur’an’s accuracy in science reaches far beyond the boundaries of biology. It explains many astronomical facts including the Big Bang Theory, the Expansion Theory, the Atom theory, and the concept of times zones
scientists such as Keith L. Moore and Maurice Bocaille. They have adopted Islam as their religion due to its scientific nature.
i have to mention 30 of christian scientists here, but time is being tight, i can't type more.
Ironically, the simple thought of religion leading scientific discoveries and complementing modern science is unheard of in the western world. In many countries such as the United States of America, the separation of church and state is a wide and deeply rooted belief. To even consider a religious book as a book of science would probably merit a few raised eyebrows. However, it is amazing how the Qur’an not only complements science, but is actually used as a tool to investigate more about science. Thus, through proving that the Qur’an holds explicit facts concerning the fields of biology, astronomy and geology, one will deduct that the Qur’an is indeed a scientific book.
i think u will read my words with a kind of reasoning patience, if u can't, i will stop writing all those here.
However, the purpose of this post is not to prove the divinty of the Qur’an. It is only to prove that the Qur’an contains factual scientific information that deems it a necessary book of science to be studied by all scientists before a thinking brother like u.
The Qur’an’s contributions to biological science, the Qur’an excels in it’s vivid description of embryology. The Qur’an describes the development of the fetus from its conception to its birth in such great detail that it would seem to have been a recollection of a great obstetric surgeon.
Allah says in the Qur’an, "He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness" (Qur’an 39:6). Recently, scientists have named three layers of tissue as the anterior abdominal wall, the uterine wall, and the amnicochrionic membrane (Moore, 25). The phrase veil of darkness in this context is the Arabic word Thulumat which actually means covers (it is known that when one covers something, this something is in darkness), that is the layers that cover the fetus.
The Qur’an then goes on to describe the stages of the human fetus which have only been known by scientists in the 20th century (Moore, 15). Allah says, "Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest" (Qur’an 23:13). The drop, known as nutfa in Arabic has been interpreted to be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst implanted in the uterus—a place of rest. This interpretation is also supported by another verse in the Qur’an which states "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote is that mixed drop since it is made up of the sperm and the ovum (Moore, 15). "Then We made the drop into a leech-like structure" (Qur’an 23:14). The word Alaqah in Arabic refers to this "leech-like structure." Dr. Moore thinks this to be an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus in the same exact way that a leech clings to skin. In fact, if one looks at a picture of a leech and a picture of the embryo during that phase, one will notice the strong resemblance between both creations. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium (Moore, 16). Of course since the leech-like structure can only be seen by a microscope which was not invented till the 17th century by Leewenhoek, Muhammad (PBUH) could have never fabricated such information. and our prophet is "ummi" ILLETERATE as u know.
"Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump" (Qur’an 23:14). Here, a "chewed lump" is mudgha in Arabic. Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh resulting from the somites which resemble teeth marks. The somites represent the beginnings of the vertebrae. "Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh" (Qur’an 23:14). This verse indicates that after the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This corresponds to the development of the embryo. "First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm" (Moore, 3). "Then we developed out of it another creature" (Qur’an 23:14). Before the eighth week, the embryo does not contain human features. After the eighth week, the human embryo develops the primordia of all the internal and external organs and parts. At this stage the creature is no longer called an embryo. It is now a fetus, therefore it’s "another creature." "And He gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding" (Qur’an 32:9). Dr. Moore says in his study that the primordia of the internal ears appear before the beginning of the eyes, and the brain which is the site of understanding develops last. "Then out of a piece of chewed flesh, partly formed and partly unformed" (Qur’an 22:5). This verse refers to the embryo that is composed of both differentiated and undifferentiated tissues. When the cartilage bones are differentiated, "the embroyonic connective tissue or mesenchyme around them is undifferentiated. It later differentiates into the muscles and ligaments attached to the bones" (Moore, 3). "And We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term" (Qur’an 22:5). Allah here tells the Muslims that he is the one to determine whether the embroys will remain in the uterus until full term. Dr. Moore has found out that only about 30% of zygotes that form actually develop into fetuses that survive until birth.
Additionally, the Qur’an discussed time zones centuries before the scientific "discovery" was made. People, hundreds of years ago, couldn’t travel far enough in a short time to find out about the existence of these zones. The Qur’an however, addresses this when it states, "When the Day of Judgement arrives it will all occur at an instant; and this very instant will catch some people in the day time and some at night" (Qur’an, 27:16). The word day time in Arabic, Al-Nahar is very distinct. It cannot be misinterpreted to mean anything other than the time when the sun is out. Similarly, the word night in Arabic, Al-Layl, cannot mean anything but the time when the sun is not out. The concept of time zones was discussed in the Qur’an hundreds of years ago, even though it was not understood till recently. Lastly, the existence of atoms is an old concept. For years this idea was known after being advanced by the Greek philosopher, Democritus (Miller, 5). Atoms were viewed as the smallest existing particles. However, the Qur’an challenged this fact by stating "Allah is aware of an atom’s weight . . . and even anything smaller than that" (Qur’an, 30:21). Now, modern science has discovered that this smallest unit of matter (i.e. the atom, which has all of the same properties as its element) can be split into its component parts. This is a new idea, a development of the last century yet interestingly enough, this information had already been documented in the Qur'an. Overall, the Qur’an has provided numerous facts leading to great astronomical discoveries. The fact that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, the explanation of the process of day and night, the fact that the sun moves by its own motion, that the moon does not generate its own light, the prospect of space travel; all these discoveries were already mentioned in the Qur’an hundreds of years ago (Bocaille, Celestial 4). As Sir John William Draper said in his book, The Intellectual Development of Europe, "The Muslim has left his intellectual impress on the World. He has indelibly written it on the heavens as any may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe" (Draper, 80).
Finally, the Qur’an presents geological facts dealing with mountains and archaeology that could not have been fabricated by any human lacking the technological equipment needed to prove these facts. The Qur’an states, "When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still, but they are moving, like clouds" (Qur’an, 27:88). Geologists have now proven that although mountains appear to be standing still, they are not. They are constantly moving upwards as the earth’s plates fold into each other. In addition the Qur’an describes the mountains as pegs, part of them visible, and the other is not (Qur’an, 78:7). In other words, mountains have roots. Dr. Frank Press, author of The Earth, and president of the Academy of Sciences in New Jersey wrote that mountains have roots. He wrote that they play an important role in stabilizing the earth’s crust (Haq, 1). Simultaneously, Professor Siaveda, one of the most renowned Japanese geologists states that "Mountains have roots that support the earth according to the law of Archimedes" (Hag, 2). In the Qur’an it states that Allah, "Has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you" (Qur’an, 16:15). This verse has been translated, among others in the Qur’an dealing with the subject of mountains, as substantiating the concept that mountains have roots. When Professor Siaveda encountered these verses in the Qur’an he said, "This is very mysterious, but according to these verses this is truly a remarkable book" (Haq, 7). No man could have possibly fabricated this information fourteen centuries ago. Professor Palmer, who is one of the foremost geologists in the USA and the head of the Centennial Anniversary of the American Geological Society was greatly astonished when he was presented with these scientific facts. He said, "We [the Society] look forward to a continuing dialogue on the topic of science in the Qur’an in the context of geology" (Al-Zendani, 18).
Last, but not least, in the eighty-ninth chapter of the Qur’an, Allah mentions a city called Iram. However, most historians denied the existence of this city, as there was no proof of it. However, in 1973 a city named Elba was excavated in Syria. The city was forty-three centuries old. Researchers found records in Elba’s library listing all the cities Elba had dealt with. The city of Iram was on that list. The people of Elba had done business with the people of Iram! (Miller, 1). Once again the Qur’an stood the test of time. The Qur’an being only fourteen centuries old, mentioned a city thirty centuries before its time.
In conclusion, it has been proven that the Qur’an does not only support science and the quest for new discoveries, but it has also complemented science in the initiation of the process of the experimental method. According to Dr. Karl Pearson, a famous American scientist, "The hypotheses of science are based on observed facts, which, when confirmed by criticism and experiments, are turned into laws of nature… such is the contribution of Islam to modern science" (Zahoor, Muslim Scientists and Astronomers . . . 6). The Qur’an has become a leading source in the areas of biology, astronomy and geology due to its accuracy. Overall, its consistent accuracy can only be attributed to a divine source. No human in the seventh century and many centuries following could have known this information. As Allah says in the Qur’an, "Soon will We show them Our signs in the farthest regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth" (Qur’an, 41:53).
dear all brothers and sisters of this forum,
if i wrote anything boring before u,let me know, i will stop insha allah.
thank u coelcanth bro for reading above facts.