Ok.. you sound knowledgeable about the subject so if you don't mind, i will need your help. And i'm not being sarcastic..i'm serious.
So I got married for 2 years to try to change my "choice" even though I don't see why i would get someone else's life involved if it was just a choice. I could have woken up an say.."u know what?? I think i will be straight today. Better yet..i will be gay on weekends, straight on monday, tuesday and bisexual on wednesday, thursday and friday"..if i can do that, then that is a choice..
Add to that, I went to see a psychiatrist for 4 years..so i asked him about the choice theory..and the funny thing is that he gave me an apple and showed me an orange and a banana. He said "you like oranges and bananas? i said yes. he said, do you want either one ? i said..sure..he said chose one and give me my apple back. so i did, he told me to chose one. I took an orange. He said why did you do that? i told him cuz It's juicer than a banana. he said was it easy to give up the apple ? i said ya..he said, why ?? i said because i'm a bit thirsty and i know i can get more fluid out of an orange than banana or an apple, and to get more juices in these two fruits you have to pump them with jucie. Then he suddenly asks me, then why are you gay ?? I told him, I wouldn't be here if i knew why i am gay. So i asked him..what is the point ?? he said, you knew why you wanted the orange, you know what it will offer you, you also knew why an apple is not gonna help you because you know what makes an apple apple and what it will provide to you. So you have enough information that can help you make a decision so that's a choice at this point. You don't know why you are gay, yet you are one. So How are you expecting to change something you don't know where it is coming from? We- psychiatrist- work with other doctors to prove theories we have. the gene theory didn't work, hormone imbalance? we could have made the whole earth either gay or straight by manipulating that balance. So no..it isn't.. Then he said, I can give you more information about homosexuality and different studies that were conducted, different unproven theories but i can't change you. you are who you are and i can help you find a way to live with it from a psychological aspect..other than that u need to understand that there is a very slim percentage of people who actually DO CHANGE.. those are often ones that have a history of child molestation and get psychiatric help at early stages when they were kids. And often we find tendencies towards women and we work on that.. he was talking about 1-3%.
So red Pope.. my question is.. how is this a choice ?? how do you chose your sexual orientation ?.. why is it that i can't change my choice, and why is it called a choice when you can't chose something else? is it just because it sounds more convenient to you since you don't know how to answer it ??
What makes you believe it is a choice?..seriously..no hard feelings..just a mature discussion..because i did my part to change..i got married, i saw psychiatrists, i came out to my family to get their support, i even went to mosques and had 1-on-1 sessions with shiekhs..NONE OF THESE THINGS WORKED..is it still a choice?. Why would i drive myself nuts and go from one country to another if it was as simple as a choice i could do over a cup of coffee.I DON'T THINK SO..
and just so you know my friend, there are people who CHOSE gay sex for the sake of entertainment, like your professional colleagues of yours (I call them bisexuals in the closet). and there are gay people who are STUCK with it and would take the "Straight Pill" if you offer them one (i'm one of them). The later group happens to be the majority of gay people. So not because some PEOPLE who CHOSE to get involved in gay sex, may be because they are bisexual may be ??, then it means that gay people chose their sexual orientation. In other words, not because someone who doesn't know whether to go straight or gay then it means that gay people are on the same boat. No they are NOT!!!
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Un-Learn what you know and Re-Learn it.
Ok.. you sound knowledgeable about the subject so if you don't mind, i will need your help. And i'm not being sarcastic..i'm serious.
So I got married for 2 years to try to change my "choice" even though I don't see why i would get someone else's life involved if it was just a choice. I could have woken up an say.."u know what?? I think i will be straight today. Better yet..i will be gay on weekends, straight on monday, tuesday and bisexual on wednesday, thursday and friday"..if i can do that, then that is a choice..
Add to that, I went to see a psychiatrist for 4 years..so i asked him about the choice theory..and the funny thing is that he gave me an apple and showed me an orange and a banana. He said "you like oranges and bananas? i said yes. he said, do you want either one ? i said..sure..he said chose one and give me my apple back. so i did, he told me to chose one. I took an orange. He said why did you do that? i told him cuz It's juicer than a banana. he said was it easy to give up the apple ? i said ya..he said, why ?? i said because i'm a bit thirsty and i know i can get more fluid out of an orange than banana or an apple, and to get more juices in these two fruits you have to pump them with jucie. Then he suddenly asks me, then why are you gay ?? I told him, I wouldn't be here if i knew why i am gay. So i asked him..what is the point ?? he said, you knew why you wanted the orange, you know what it will offer you, you also knew why an apple is not gonna help you because you know what makes an apple apple and what it will provide to you. So you have enough information that can help you make a decision so that's a choice at this point. You don't know why you are gay, yet you are one. So How are you expecting to change something you don't know where it is coming from? We- psychiatrist- work with other doctors to prove theories we have. the gene theory didn't work, hormone imbalance? we could have made the whole earth either gay or straight by manipulating that balance. So no..it isn't.. Then he said, I can give you more information about homosexuality and different studies that were conducted, different unproven theories but i can't change you. you are who you are and i can help you find a way to live with it from a psychological aspect..other than that u need to understand that there is a very slim percentage of people who actually DO CHANGE.. those are often ones that have a history of child molestation and get psychiatric help at early stages when they were kids. And often we find tendencies towards women and we work on that.. he was talking about 1-3%.
So red Pope.. my question is.. how is this a choice ?? how do you chose your sexual orientation ?.. why is it that i can't change my choice, and why is it called a choice when you can't chose something else? is it just because it sounds more convenient to you since you don't know how to answer it ??
What makes you believe it is a choice?..seriously..no hard feelings..just a mature discussion..because i did my part to change..i got married, i saw psychiatrists, i came out to my family to get their support, i even went to mosques and had 1-on-1 sessions with shiekhs..NONE OF THESE THINGS WORKED..is it still a choice?. Why would i drive myself nuts and go from one country to another if it was as simple as a choice i could do over a cup of coffee.I DON'T THINK SO..
and just so you know my friend, there are people who CHOSE gay sex for the sake of entertainment, like your professional colleagues of yours (I call them bisexuals in the closet). and there are gay people who are STUCK with it and would take the "Straight Pill" if you offer them one (i'm one of them). The later group happens to be the majority of gay people. So not because some PEOPLE who CHOSE to get involved in gay sex, may be because they are bisexual may be ??, then it means that gay people chose their sexual orientation. In other words, not because someone who doesn't know whether to go straight or gay then it means that gay people are on the same boat. No they are NOT!!!
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Un-Learn what you know and Re-Learn it.