but they have stagnated and not evolved....hence they are nearly useless in a real fight today.....sure you can use some of the techniques, but when was the last time you saw someone in a bar fight drop into a horse stance and drop their fists to their waist?

Whoami, sorry to burst your bubble bro, but even brazilian jujitsu is not self defense....its great in a ring, but dangerous against multiple opponents, or when there is a chance for concealed weapons (like in the real world).

Anyway guygs, my intent is not to put down any art....they all have something to contribute....I was just highlighting the real difference between martial arts and self-defense.

Stay safe all.

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