( never assumed richard was racist.. only that the title did not fit the actual article)
Now that you have clarified for me that you went to school in texas, america and that the minorities were black.. I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.
However this is not the same case out here in britain where a completely different set of rules, prejudice and hidden racism exists. Officially britian is a classless tolerant country. And one is very grateful that all religions and opinions are able to be expressed within Britian. However a very subtle form of class does exist, although rarely spoken and an ultimate sin if a person voices its existance.
In america.. we have a much different situation with social dynamics. Black people have over the past 30 years just after the 1960's and early 1970's found greater autonomy to voice racism. It has come to the point where white people are constantly harrassed with the "racism" that seems to magically inflict so many african americans. While the majority of whites have completely accepted a multiracial community (although one may find it odd that we have moving white communities when an new build area becomes "rough" which usually means more black and hispanics move in: at least in california). On closer look at african americans in america one will notice that they do have a higher tendancy to join gangs, divorce, children out of wedlock, end up in prison, permiscuous behaviour.. ectr. This is the result of many reasons... One of them being the break down of families under slavery and the persecuation african americans felt after slavery (different water fountains). And even with all the advantanges, freedom, opportunities and acceptance as black americans who have a fighting chance to become anything they choose in america the bitterness of their ancestors, the disheartened who grow up in poverty and broken families that have led to instability also lead to bitterness and common mentality of that particular group that forms of racism is still rampant in america. My opinion is that this is because many people focus on the negative aspects rather than all the positive. And prob. have not lived in many other countries, like europe or middle east, where a black person feels inferior due to his color (for a variety of reasons) (no pointing fingers here people)
So it now does not surprise me that in texas.. the minority who are african american would take advantage of the newly gained tolerance in the last 40 years to poke and prod and cause havoc. It should also be remembered that the break down of families and dysfunction that was the result has alot to do with the way you were treated.. And the guilt and newly found tolerance the reason they actually got away with it. Would I be right in assuming they were part of a gang?
even if they were not part of a gang.. which many african americans are not! the fact that they choose to stick together, some groups refuse to have white friends, and they have parties where only black people are invited is indeed a form of racism that has developed within the african american community. (I am not at all saying that racism doesn't still exist against african americans.. although I would like to add that it is much more rampant in europe or even the middle east)
When I started university in the 1990's I had the experience of living with a black women who I eventually called my adopted mother. She was from savanna georgia and a southern belle. It was the greatest experience of my life.. because even though I was a white girl I was to see first hand the "racist" black community. She was by the way a racist black towards whites! Her ex husband was a former leader of one of the biggest crip gangs in southern california. And when we rolled .. it was in limos.. and when she dated it was with ballers, basketball players, stuff like that. Because of her love for me.. I was able to go to the all black parties where whites were not allowed to go.. and if a person called me any names .. someone would quickly tell them who I came with.
So to compare what I am talking about with racism in the uk.. with your own experience in america is very narrow sighted.
Upon a conversation I had today with an english women. She asked me what is the different between muslims and pakistans? In that aren't all muslims pakistanis.. and cause problems. And I told her exactly what was in my earlier post. Although being typical english.. she was quite offended at the thought that class still exists in britain. Although she did agree that the pakistanis seem for the most part very uneducated with no desire to integrate into the community. She then told me how a "black" (prob. an asylum seeker) had claimed her son called him a racist name. The boy finally admitted that no such name was called and that he had been lieing. It was a good example of how a minority will also use the tolerance of their host country and twist it to their advantage. This does happen.
Last but not least.. just because the shariah council has a good website and has infiltrated the uk goverment and convinced them that they are representative of the muslims in britain.. does not mean they are. Half the muslims have never even heard of the council. The shariah council is a political avenue for status grabbing muslims who are not religious at all to somehow infiltrate the goverment here. And the british goverment is stupid enough to believe that they are held by scholars of Islam.
None of the people on the shariah are scholars, sheikhs or any person who has islamic knowledge. Just because they make this claim .. does not mean it is true in any sense of the word.
their are only 2 scholars who reside in britain. And they are not associated with the shariah council. Also a scholar is not a mufti! A mufti is the only person who has the right to issue islamic law and fatwas. Their are NO muftis in britain.
The qadianis also have their own tv channel.. in which they teach their version of Islam. Yet every major islamic country and mufti have declared these people non muslims.
And as my husband said when I mentioned to him the shariah council.. He said: Who are they? What substance do they have to any claims? Other than being recognized by the uk goverment? Which any organization in britain can apply as a charity and be recognized! Even the qadianis are recognized as muslims in this country.
( never assumed richard was racist.. only that the title did not fit the actual article)
Now that you have clarified for me that you went to school in texas, america and that the minorities were black.. I have a better understanding of where you are coming from.
However this is not the same case out here in britain where a completely different set of rules, prejudice and hidden racism exists. Officially britian is a classless tolerant country. And one is very grateful that all religions and opinions are able to be expressed within Britian. However a very subtle form of class does exist, although rarely spoken and an ultimate sin if a person voices its existance.
In america.. we have a much different situation with social dynamics. Black people have over the past 30 years just after the 1960's and early 1970's found greater autonomy to voice racism. It has come to the point where white people are constantly harrassed with the "racism" that seems to magically inflict so many african americans. While the majority of whites have completely accepted a multiracial community (although one may find it odd that we have moving white communities when an new build area becomes "rough" which usually means more black and hispanics move in: at least in california). On closer look at african americans in america one will notice that they do have a higher tendancy to join gangs, divorce, children out of wedlock, end up in prison, permiscuous behaviour.. ectr. This is the result of many reasons... One of them being the break down of families under slavery and the persecuation african americans felt after slavery (different water fountains). And even with all the advantanges, freedom, opportunities and acceptance as black americans who have a fighting chance to become anything they choose in america the bitterness of their ancestors, the disheartened who grow up in poverty and broken families that have led to instability also lead to bitterness and common mentality of that particular group that forms of racism is still rampant in america. My opinion is that this is because many people focus on the negative aspects rather than all the positive. And prob. have not lived in many other countries, like europe or middle east, where a black person feels inferior due to his color (for a variety of reasons) (no pointing fingers here people)
So it now does not surprise me that in texas.. the minority who are african american would take advantage of the newly gained tolerance in the last 40 years to poke and prod and cause havoc. It should also be remembered that the break down of families and dysfunction that was the result has alot to do with the way you were treated.. And the guilt and newly found tolerance the reason they actually got away with it. Would I be right in assuming they were part of a gang?
even if they were not part of a gang.. which many african americans are not! the fact that they choose to stick together, some groups refuse to have white friends, and they have parties where only black people are invited is indeed a form of racism that has developed within the african american community. (I am not at all saying that racism doesn't still exist against african americans.. although I would like to add that it is much more rampant in europe or even the middle east)
When I started university in the 1990's I had the experience of living with a black women who I eventually called my adopted mother. She was from savanna georgia and a southern belle. It was the greatest experience of my life.. because even though I was a white girl I was to see first hand the "racist" black community. She was by the way a racist black towards whites! Her ex husband was a former leader of one of the biggest crip gangs in southern california. And when we rolled .. it was in limos.. and when she dated it was with ballers, basketball players, stuff like that. Because of her love for me.. I was able to go to the all black parties where whites were not allowed to go.. and if a person called me any names .. someone would quickly tell them who I came with.
So to compare what I am talking about with racism in the uk.. with your own experience in america is very narrow sighted.
Upon a conversation I had today with an english women. She asked me what is the different between muslims and pakistans? In that aren't all muslims pakistanis.. and cause problems. And I told her exactly what was in my earlier post. Although being typical english.. she was quite offended at the thought that class still exists in britain. Although she did agree that the pakistanis seem for the most part very uneducated with no desire to integrate into the community. She then told me how a "black" (prob. an asylum seeker) had claimed her son called him a racist name. The boy finally admitted that no such name was called and that he had been lieing. It was a good example of how a minority will also use the tolerance of their host country and twist it to their advantage. This does happen.
Last but not least.. just because the shariah council has a good website and has infiltrated the uk goverment and convinced them that they are representative of the muslims in britain.. does not mean they are. Half the muslims have never even heard of the council. The shariah council is a political avenue for status grabbing muslims who are not religious at all to somehow infiltrate the goverment here. And the british goverment is stupid enough to believe that they are held by scholars of Islam.
None of the people on the shariah are scholars, sheikhs or any person who has islamic knowledge. Just because they make this claim .. does not mean it is true in any sense of the word.
their are only 2 scholars who reside in britain. And they are not associated with the shariah council. Also a scholar is not a mufti! A mufti is the only person who has the right to issue islamic law and fatwas. Their are NO muftis in britain.
The qadianis also have their own tv channel.. in which they teach their version of Islam. Yet every major islamic country and mufti have declared these people non muslims.
And as my husband said when I mentioned to him the shariah council.. He said: Who are they? What substance do they have to any claims? Other than being recognized by the uk goverment? Which any organization in britain can apply as a charity and be recognized! Even the qadianis are recognized as muslims in this country.