That may be a slight retraction on one of your positions about the Qataris not knowing right from wrong. Thats good to see.

Aviduser, may I ask you, would you consider imposition of Western style democracy as the central premise for judging whether the middle-east countries like Saudi Arabia have reached the dizzy heights of a respectful society? That is, a respectful and free society.

The vast majority of Saudis don't want Western style democracy. They do want changes, but at their own pace and in their own way. Can you respect another society for wanting to do things differently. A few loud-mouthed journalists and so-called poets/ freedom writers do not represent the views of the majority.

Apart from that, have you ever wandered what those living in the middle-east might think of Western societies. They hear of paedophilia and child abuse, crimes of murder and GBH, domestic violence - all on an unprecedented scale. Oh, by the way, do you read Amnesty International reports on the US and UK and some of the condemnations they have to make on how prisoners are treated (in the US) or how too many children are below the poverty line in the UK.

How do you judge whether to tarnish a whole nation? On whose list does that nation have to appear? The UK and US appear on some quite damning reports from the various UN bodies as well. Is that sufficient to tarnish them? Obviously not.